I'm not sure that's the best title for this... We're kind of talking about this already song-by-song in the "session" thread, but I thought we could talk about it more here. What do you guys think of things in LP songs that LP didn't work on? I was pretty surprised to find out the origin for the ending of WTCFM, and thought it was funny how people were talking about the Owen Pallet collab like it was a big deal before the song came out, when the strings are buried so far into the mix. Personally I don't like LP collaborating that much, even though things like Rebellion are amazing. It's just cooler when it's the same six guys making everything and showing how many sounds they can make, and for the most part it doesn't feel like the band couldn't do themselves what collaborator contribute (like Steve Aoki's contribution). It's weird to find out things like Owen Pallet when the song title doesn't reflect the collaboration, yet they list it in other songs. What else has been noted as coming from other musicians? IBG and WTCFM are the only things I can think of besides mentioned names in THP and obviously Reanimation/Recharged. I think strings in Breaking the Habit were written by someone else, as well as the wind instruments in Nobody's Listening?
Not counting samples used by LP in their songs... Papercut - bass performed by Ian Hornbeck One Step Closer - bass performed by Scott Koziol With You - beats/programming by The Dust Brothers Runaway - co-written with Mark Wakefield and Dave Farrell (Phoenix wasn't a member of the band at the time, and Runaway originates from the Xero song Stick N' Move) A Place for My Head - co-written with Mark Wakefield and Dave Farrell (see above - the original version of Esaul was written by Xero, although no recordings of their version exist), bass performed by Ian Hornbeck Forgotten - co-written with Mark Wakefield and Dave Farrell (see above - Forgotten originates from the Xero song Rhinestone), bass performed by Ian Hornbeck Reanimation probably needs not be mentioned (or Collision Course/Recharged for that matter)... Breaking the Habit - strings co-arranged/conducted by David Campbell Nobody's Listening - shakuhachi flute performed by David Zasloff Standing in the Middle - vocals by Motion Man, co-production by Kutmasta Kurt Leave Out All the Rest - strings co-arranged/conducted by David Campbell Bleed it Out - the "party" in the background of this track features numerous (uncredited) friends and family of Linkin Park band members Shadow of the Day - strings co-arranged/conducted by David Campbell Hands Held High - strings co-arranged/conducted by David Campbell The Little Things Give You Away - strings co-arranged/conducted by David Campbell No Roads Left - strings co-arranged/conducted by David Campbell Blackbirds - strings co-arranged/conducted by David Campbell Nest (from Transformers: Revenge of the Fallen score) - co-created with Steve Jablonsky We Made It - co-written with Busta Rhymes, co-produced with Cool & Dre 8-Bit Rebellion! (soundtrack) - "Apartment Theme," "Mall Theme," "Pre-Boss Theme," and "Boss Theme" co-written with Mark Wrong When They Come For Me - additional programming/production by Czeslaw "NoBraiN" Sakowski I'll Be Gone - strings by Owen Pallett A Light That Never Comes - co-written with Steve Aoki All for Nothing - vocals, guitar overdubs by Page Hamilton Guilty All the Same - vocals by Rakim (also credited as a co-writer of the song) Rebellion - guitar, bass by Daron Malakian (also credited as a co-writer of the song) Drawbar - guitar by Tom Morello Final Masquerade - co-written by Emile Haynie (also the producer of the song) Mall: Music from the Motion Picture (all songs) - all drums performed by Alex Puro (also credited as a co-writer of the entire soundtrack) Probably a few more that I'm forgetting...
Can we talk about samples too? I'm fairly certain the scratch sample from Papercut was from the Super Seal II LP, I know the PoA/BtH sample isn't of LP's origin, Don't Stay scratches a sample from Dirt Style Breaks: Deluxe Shampoo Edition. No idea where the What I've Done scratch originates, but it's also in the beat of 99 Problems by Jay-Z. Yet there's interviews that LP said they make all their samples...still so confused on that one. In terms of production and instrumentation, it also says in the "From the Inside" book that David Campbell and his strings group recorded strings for Faint. That's about all I got that Astat didn't say. It's also said somewhere that Brad Delson recorded all the bass for Hybrid Theory, but I know that has to be wrong, because of the credits for Ian and Scott. Maybe he composed it. Didn't Kyle Christner do stuff on HT as well? Or was he just on the EP?
As far as samples go, whosampled.com has a fairly comprehensive list, including the origins of some of the scratch samples you're wondering about. There's also an even more comprehensive list in this LPLive thread, which includes things like song lyrics that reference other songs/works, as well as samples found in "LP-related" songs and things they've used during live performances. David Campbell arranged/recorded strings for Faint, but they weren't used on the final take used on the album (they stuck with the original synthesized strings from the demo). Would be a neat LPU track to hear someday... Brad supposedly did all of the bass on Hybrid Theory outside of the 3 tracks Ian and Scott played on, but I've always suspected that Don Gilmore actually "ghosted" on a lot of those tracks. From the little I've seen of Brad playing bass (switching instruments with Phoenix on Nobody's Listening in 2004 comes to mind), he tends to play fingerstyle, but the bass on tracks like Crawling has a really heavy-handed percussive sound, almost like someone playing really hard with their thumb. Phoenix mentions on the Making of Meteora DVD that Don was a bass player before he became a producer, so I've always assumed that he did at least some of the bass on Hybrid Theory and didn't bother asking for credit since he was already the producer. Stuff like that is fairly common, especially with new bands working with a producer for the first time. Kyle was out of the picture by the time HT was recorded. He played on the HTEP, but it's hard to say what songs because Brad is also credited with bass on the HTEP and it doesn't specify which tracks had who playing bass.
So with the exception of WTCFM, ATS seems to be the most LP album, in a way lol. I think it's a lot cooler when they make everything from scratch. So the Cello in In Between is played by someone in the band? Not like it's that hard to play, but cool that they picked up a different physical instrument.
I believe the "strings" on In Between are a keyboard sound based on how well Mike reproduced them on his Korg for live performances, but I'm not totally sure. Nothing credited as far as live strings go on that one, although if it was done "in-house" by a band member they probably wouldn't bother listing it as a separate credit since MTM is the album where they stopped doing the whole "Chester Bennington: Lead Vocals, Brad Delson: Guitar" etc. thing since they all had started doing different stuff in the studio by then. In Pieces is like that too, could be a keyboard sound, could be a real marimba, we'll probably never know.
I still have no idea what the stock samples that are supposedly in 1stp Klosr are. All I ever see is mentions of them, never anything definitive.
I showed the sample in question by comparing a couple Youtube videos in the "How did LP make that sound" thread a while back, but both uploads have since been deleted. Listen for the synth sound effect about 13 seconds into 1stp Klosr, then watch the beginning of Pokemon: The First Movie. About 6-7 minutes in, after Mewtwo blows up the laboratory and is standing in the middle of the wreckage, the exact same sound effect is used.
I can hear faintly several sounds that might be that from 9:25 to 9:40 here: http://animehaven.org/dubbed/pokemon-the-first-movie Hasn't it been said that it was also in Pitch Black or something?
That's from a Cartoon Network airing that was apparently edited slightly for time constraints, because it's not in that one. Check out 5:45 of this one though: http://www.dailymotion.com/video/x2...vie-mewtwo-strikes-back-full-movie_shortfilms NoBrain (the winner of the remix contest for The Catalyst) was invited to do some additional production on A Thousand Suns after the contest was over. He did some work on Jornada del Muerto and When They Come for Me, and some of his work on WTCFM actually made it into the final album version of the track during the outro.
So what all did he contribute to the outro? Because there are a lot of different sounds and synths going off in it. Did he do the entire thing or is just part of what he did featured?
I doubt he did all of it, there's some stuff going on there that isn't found anywhere else in the song that the band would have pretty much had to do themselves, but I'm thinking he may have been responsible for some of the glitching effects and re-arranged beats.