I don't know where I stand on this, but I remember someone saying (I doubt it was taken from Mike) that ALITS uses the same chords as GATS because the album has reached its end and it wraps things up. And with all this talk about musical similarities, it reminds me of how I want to make a thread of them. I mean, do you guys ever look at how much alike some of the lyrics are? Example: right before the chorus of songs: ALITS: "but little did we know" BID: "waiting to let you know" UIG: "but now I know" And others that I won't go into now, but I'd save them in case anyone wants to be brave enough to make an entire thread for it.
SIB: "close to something real" Crawling: "confusing what is real" On the topic of your first point...the same chords? Is that really a valid point? Because I can name like 10 LP songs that use the same chords. I mean, that E5 chord that the synth/guitar on WTFE plays is the same as the first chord Brad hits on the chorus riff of With You. You know what else? That same E5 also appears on Crawling, Faint, From the Inside, Points of Authority, Forgotten, By Myself, A Place for My Head, Figure.09, Lying from You, Numb, Don't Stay... The point is, every Linkin Park song can sound the same if you want to overgeneralize like this comparison does. Victimized and A Line in the Sand are hardly alike. Even if the guitars may play in a rhythm that is similar, the sound of each is drastically different. Victimized has octave-splitting and last under 2 minutes. A Line in the Sand is just distorted and goes for over 6 minutes, among other things. The differences far outweigh the similarities (which are particularly nitpicky), so it's unjust to say that ALITS is just them reusing Victimized.
You know what, threads like this have been started again and again, but with different comparisons. And the comments are always "huh, I never noticed that, I guess it's kinda similar". Here, EVERYONE knew exactly what the thread was about from the title. Stop acting like it's not similar in sound.
The tiniest bit of the riff sounds similar, people are acting like the whole song is the same, there's seriously just a tiny bit of A Line In The Sand that sounds similar to Victimized.
I never even noticed any form of correlation between the two songs until this thread came about. So your statement is wrong, everyone did not know.
To be honest, at first i heard some comparisons. But now. Its his "own" song. No more Victimized or GATS.
That's because the comparison has been beaten to death since a few people brought it up back on leak day. Every time someone mentions something about A Line In The Sand on this forum, the conversation has followed. So of course most people will understand what this thread is about.
That's cause others have said this before on this site when the album came out along with some people mentioning this on YouTube. I never noticed it until it was pointed out to me, and still today the riff doesn't jump out and scream "Victimized" to me. Stop acting like your opinion is right cause it's just a fucking opinion.
I can't hear any similarities, to be honest. Victimized and GATS didn't (and still don't) come to my mind, even not for a second.
Let's ease up, yeah? We're literally comparing two songs. That's all it is. Nothing to get worked up over. Yeesh, every time I step into a thread in this particular area of the forum we are getting really worked up over nothing. Cut it out. - - - - As far as the two songs go, yes, they sound similar. But they all sound similar. A lot of what Linkin Park does is use similar chord progressions or similar keys. It happens all of the time. "Victimized" and "A Line in the Sand" are just two tracks that do sound similar, but hey, "Guilty All the Same" is also familiar. More or less the same chord progression with some slight variance. The same goes for "In My Remains" and "Burn It Down"; "Blackout" and "Mark the Graves"... the list goes on and on. Some songs just sound really similar. But if you all really care for how songs sound, start listening to lyrics and count how many fucking times they throw around the words "wash away," "blood," "broken," "flood," "ocean," etc. Too many times, is how much. Linkin Park recycles a lot of words and a lot of chord progressions and riff lines. That's just kinda how it goes for them, but it helps us to distinguish them from other bands. A lot of bands do similar things, so it's not like Linkin Park is the only culprit. Anyway, just calm down a bit, yeah? This isn't really a big deal. And by the way, tabs don't necessarily indicate that songs sound different. They only indicate that they are different technically speaking. So let's not look too much into everything, yeah? At least, that's my two cents.
I don't find any of that similar See, that's the thing, this whole thing is very subjective. I don't know, I think guitar tabs are more objective than just "I think they sound similar". I don't mean to offend anyone. Honestly, to me there are a million differences between ALITS and victimized that there's no way it sounds derivative. Victimized has the most simplistic lyrics that make sense(I like how its a no bullshit kind of song)while ALITS has the most redundant lyrics LP has written. Victimized is one of the shortest LP songs and ALITS is the longest LP song(Its longer than TLTGYA. What the fuck?)etc
I think it depends what you mean by similar, too - which goes towards your point of subjectivity. If you're looking at chord progression, then it's hard to ignore the similarities. But similarity doesn't imply that one is merely a derivative of the other (as others in the thread seem to suggest or imply), it's just simply a likeness in the sound. Are they still different songs? Yes. Structurally speaking, and even specifically looking at the tabs, they're fairly different songs that are also different in tone and style. But if you're listening to sound, chords, etc. - there are similarities which maybe simply require a bit of a musical ear? Hard to say, but maybe that's why some people think they're holistically different.
This. I agree with what you've said but ALITS's best portion, to me and I'm sure to a good majority of people, is not the repeated riff but the portion that comes after it and the long solo at the end. And Victimized best portion is definitely Mike's bit. Chester's screaming is good but Mike's initial bit is the best. The riff is definitely not something that I like in Victimized. When I think of ALITS, I hear the epic solo at the end. I remember how it gave me the feeling of a final confrontation in a very dramatic way. I mean, you could literally put that last solo right before some major action sequence between a protagonist and a villain, just as they cross paths, and it would sound so bloody good. The solo is definitely my favorite and the thing that comes to my mind. To me, that's the soul of the song and not a random riff. I understand criticisms about the vocals. I understand criticisms about the mixing. I understand criticisms about the weird pattern of the song. All of these are legitimate criticisms. But if one tiny little riff that sounds mildly similar to a riff from another song they made is gonna put you off, then Linkin Park isn't the band you should be listening to.