How would Hank or Jesse do anything with that confession tape Walt just made? Adding a junkie to Hank's side won't be any help. Especially after he's gone completely mental.
I agree. It brings Walt's character transformation full circle. Shows he'll lie about anything to get his way. I loved it!
If he calms down, he could do something like confess to Gale's murder. That could give him credibility, which would then make his testimony against Walt a stronger case. But I don't think that's how it's going to work out.
I have one honest prediction about the end of the show. Somehow, one way or another...Jesse will call someone a bitch.
One question/plothole that still doesn't make sense to me: Walt told Jesse in season 4 that Gus could've poisoned Brock with the ricin. How come Jesse never asked Walt: How would Gus even know about the ricin's existence, let alone poison someone with it? Was there any point in time where Gus knew about the ricin? Also, are we to assume that Heull pickpocketed Jesse's ricin-packet AND replaced it with a non-ricin pack when he frisked him in season 4? edit: Okay so I rewatched the ep and it's clear that Walt's manipulating Jesse into thinking that Gus must've seen the ricin in the lab video camera and made his goon Tyrus take it off of the locker in the lab. He did it to frame Walt and turn Jesse against him. But that still doesn't explain how Gus knew Walt was the one who gave the ricin to Jesse? (all of this is Walt's version of course. I just think his story has some holes)
When Huell lifted Jesse's weed, he came to a realization that Huell probably lifted the ricin cigarette back then as well, to help Walt do what we did. It's an assumption pretty much, but then Saul tells Jesse that is what happened as he is beating the shit out of him. Jesse is angry that Saul basically lied to him and was helping Walt the whole time. It's basically just trying to show how much of an asshole and bad person Walt has become, because the show is trying to get the audience to hate Walter White as much as possible, but I'm not sure if that is working too well.
He didn't. Gus never knew about the ricin. That's the point, Walt is lying to Jesse. He's playing on his fears and emotions and manipulating him. There were a lot of small holes in Walt's story, but Jesse never picks up on them because of all the bombshells being thrown at him. Brock is poisoned, his ricin is gone somehow, Gus threatened to kill Walt and his whole family, Gus has "always been one step ahead and must have known," etc.
Yeah that's what I got from it too. Basically this was the only thing Walt could do to bring Jesse back on his side. There were risks in that but it worked out.
Jesse doubts Walt's story, but it is a very good story nonetheless. Gus needs Walt dead, but he also needs Jesse to approve - which looks like it will never happen on its own. So Gus finds out about the ricin through one of his video cameras, has one of his guys take the ricin, and poisons Brock to make it look like Walt did it so Jesse will agree to the killing. The setup makes sense for a man desperate to have Walt killed. It made so much sense that Jesse almost flat out killed Walt on his own until Walt got inside his head. If Jesse doesn't believe Gus would do that, he'd have to believe that Walt would get Saul to steal the ricin in order to poison Brock, which at face value makes no sense whatsoever. He doesn't see the motive. Even after Gus is dead and he finds out it was Lily of the Valley poisoning, he still asks Walt, "He needed to die though, right?" He doesn't see that they killed Gus for the wrong reason and that it wasn't just a coincidence that his mind changed about Gus so quickly. If he put that together he could have determined that Walt did those things because he was left with no choice. He needed Jesse to turn on Gus so that Walt could kill him. Once he sees that motive the whole other opposing story falls apart. Jesse does doubt Walt's story, though. He brings up having one of Saul's guys maybe lifting it off of him. When he finally finds out that Huell can pickpocket, he puts everything together way later than he probably should have. That whole dynamic was basically a flip side of what was happening earlier in the series, where Gus needed Jesse dead but Walt wouldn't let that happen. It's a very cool transformation.
travz: I get everything you are saying but I think Walt's story still has holes in it. For example, we never see Jesse question Walt about HOW Gus could've 'seen' the ricin cigarette (which was in a cig packet) 'through cameras'. Maybe he was SUPER pre-occupied at that moment, but it's a legitimate query that Jesse could've thrown at Walt. I guess with this particular plan, a lot of it is up to Walt's diabolical gift of manipulation. And maybe a big part of the plan was to show the audience just that. But for some reason I still can't quite shake it off.
When something like that actually happens, you don't really look for reason. You look for somebody to put the blame on.
It was basically just paranoia at that point. They really didn't know how many camera Gus had on them, or where. Plus Walt is the obvious first suspect, so why would he steal it when he knows it'd be obvious? All of this is going through Jesse's head.
Jesse was under the impression his girlfriends son was moments from death, was enraged, and knew Gus had a ridiculous amount of power and influence. That he had already used once to have a kid killed (Tomas the drug dealing 11 year old who killed Combo). Combine all 3 and there you go; Jesse's convinced Gus did it.
Do you guys think Jesse will ever find out about Jane, or do you think it will just be kept a secret and he'll never find out? The only person that knows what really happened is Walt. Even Saul doesn't know about Jane. As far as Jesse and everyone else knows, she choked to death on her own vomit during the night (which she did), but only Walt knows that he pushed her on her back (you're supposed to sleep on your side) and he watched her choke and did nothing. I wonder how mad Jesse would be... He is absolutely livid that he now knows about Brock, and he seems pretty dead set on the fact that Walt killed Mike since he has mentioned in several times now despite Walt telling him he didn't kill him.
If Jesse really gets on his shit list, and it looks like he is now, I could see Heisenberg telling him out of pure spite right before he kills him.
You could really see Walt killing Jesse? I'm not sure if I could see him doing it, but it's entirely possible. I do remember earlier this year that Vince said Walt would do something so evil in the final episodes that it would make the audience hate him after he did it. I'm not sure if this may have already happened or if it's really true, but I could see a good chunk of the audience hating Walt if he killed Jesse.
Technically he didn't "kill Jane", but even still I don't want to see it brought up anymore in universe. It work as a plot point when we the audience saw what Walt was willing to do to save his own ass (letting someone who was blackmailing him die when he could have easily saved her, keep in mind he didn't deliberately push her on her back when he was shaking Jesse to wake him up...), but bringing it up post-"Fly", when he essentially admits it without admitting it ("Jesse? I'm sorry about what happened to Jane..."), I think it would be too over the top to have Walter actually do what people want him to do and just up and taunt Jesse with a grand "Haha, I stood there and let her die, Jesse!". Wouldn't add anything that the Brock poisoning hasn't done better.