In Perspectve: Numb

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    Hybrid

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    So I know that Meteora is not the big thing on everyone's mind now-a-days, and I know it certainly is not the pick for best Linkin Park album here on the LPA, but, I was listening to it yesterday and something had crossed my mind.

    The way the CD ends, as all of you know, is with the song Numb. I always had this idea that the song was about a relationship with a parent or with a significant other. In this relationship, it's about losing your self identity to appease what another person wants you to be. I always interpreted the meaning of the song as regaining your identity back, thus becoming Numb to what the person wants you to be.

    Last night I kind of had a revelation. I looked at the song as if the band was writing it to us, the fans. After Meteora, The band started making music that they wanted to write, instead of trying to fit the mold of what kind of label was given to them. Thinking that the band wrote the song to the fans kind of blew my mind. It was like they were telling us at the end of Meteora that they were changing direction. I know that the song was one of the last to be written for the album, right before they entered the studio. Do you think that Numb was written as a send off? Does this make sense to anyone else?

    Here's the lyrics if you'd like to digest what I just suggested:

     
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    Woah, you actually have a point there.
     
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    While it's a really interesting way to look at the song, I don't think Numb really had any particular experience or exact influence behind it, especially considering that the band really didn't seem to have their "mentality shift" happen until closer to Minutes To Midnight. A lot of the songs they wrote back then during Hybrid Theory/Meteora were deliberately open ended with the intention of being interpreted any way the fans wished to interpret them. It's what made Linkin Park brilliant songwriters, because their lyrics were written to appeal to general emotions rather than their own exact personal problems (just like to Chester, "Crawling" is about his drug battles, but to others it's about feeling insecure in your own skin). So no, I don't think Numb has an exact meaning or was directed to the fans, although it certainly takes on a whole new meaning given what has happened to the band since that point.
     
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    Yeah this, if I'm not mistaken they actually had a batch songs similar to the first albums and the scrapped it because they didn't like it anymore
     
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    Yeah, they started writing an album that was basically in the old style and if I remember right from the documentary, Rick Rubin asked them if they were truly making the music they wanted to make, or the music people expected them to make. It pretty much came down to the fact that the band was creating the same album (Hybrid Theory) over and over again because they thought that was the only way their fans would accept them. Once they got past that mindset and stepped out of the box, that's when they experimented with their sound and most fans (except the A THOUSAND SUNS SUCKS FB group) accepted the changes and the band progressed past there.
     
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    So if it wasn't for Rick, we would have had Hybrid Theory Part 3 and 4.
     
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    If I recall Rick pretty much said to them (not an exact quote, more paraphrasing here) that "if you want to make an album that sounds like you're last two records than I'm not interested in producing", which really caught their interest because it was clear he wanted them to evolve as a band. Rick is very hands off during the album process (letting bands basically come up with their own sound) but he's become notorious as a go to guy for bands to reinvent themselves/try something new, because he pushes bands to push the envelope and not tread back on the same old path they did before. He hardly ever actually puts his hand in the music, but he's one of the best and most respected producers out there because he pushes for artistic integrity. He's not afraid to be blunt and tell a band that he's "heard that song before" or that something sucks, because he wants artists to reach their full potential. Rubin is a gift to this band, because any other producer would've let the band keep making the same record again, again and again.
     
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    Wow, I never realised Rick had such a big impact on the band
     
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    Yeah he's not exactly responsible for changing their sound (he was mostly hands off during MTM/ATS) but he did teach them different ways to go about recording music, and how to embrace their own creativity rather than do what everyone else wanted them to do. It can be argued based on that, that he indirectly is to thank for Linkin Park evolving as a band.
     
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    Yea, but numb left the door open. Kinda always thought Numb was Linkin Park's promise to evolve. Then again it's written to appeal to teenagers.
     
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    To be honest, Numb is still one of my favorite Linkin Park songs. There's no reason, it's just a good song to me.

    Anyhow, I agree completely that Rick has been the key to pushing Linkin Park to use their full potential. I feel like this upcoming album will be the first truly Linkin Park album where they're completely comfortable. Minutes to Midnight was just Linkin Park being pushed (by Rick and Mike) to change sounds but the idea of a Linkin Park sound was still there. A Thousand Suns was the band trying to really edge outside of their comfort and change. Now that all this has been done, it feels as if the band is finally comfortable and ready to produce that "long" awaited album where they can utilize their full potential where experimentation and past experience has lead them. They're finally at the point where they can just "make good music"
     
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    that is a really good point............................. it's really cool to look at LP songs in depth
     
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    It's definitely interesting to hear the band members' original inspiration behind their songs. Kinda like how OSC was partially about music biz problems. Or like how Bleed it Out turned out to be about how tired Mike and Chester got when re-writing lyrics 8 zillion times. That blew my mind.

    This particular thread definitely put a new spin on an old song. I had quit thinking about numb by now.
     
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    I like Numb because of the angelic voice Chester uses. Wish it was a little softer in the chorus though like the live version.
     
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    NUMB was the best song written by LP together with BREAKING THE HABIT... It clearly stated that NUMB somehow relates the dynamics of the song to their previous work which is HYBRID THEORY, but totally belongs to METEORA...

    I do really appreciate LP always keep pushing beyond the box in order to achieve quality songs... And truly LP proves it.. LP focuses on QUALITY MUSIC not FAME..
     
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    I thought they wrote One Step Closer out of frustration from not being able to figure out the right lyrics to another song? That's at least the way I always understood it :lol:.
     
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    It was Runaway. They were so frustrated that they wrote One Step Closer, and ended up liking THAT better.
     
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    So! "everything you say to meeee-takes me one step closer to the edge" is to the producer and... "I need a little room to breeeeeeathe" is telling the people around them to leave them alone and let them do what they want!, and "shut up when I'm talking to you!" tells the people around them to listen to their ideas and shut the fuck up when they are talking to them!, "cause I'm about to break!" tells the people around them to stop digging cuz they are gonna break and don't give a shit anymore bitches!.
    So the best songs they write are when they feel really disturbed by the people around them! let's go disturb LP to make amazing songs!
    Run Mike Run !! :WTF:
     
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    What you're describing is actually one of the problems I have with earlier Linkin Park albums. Everything's so vague and up to the listener to interpret (and place in a meaningful context) that the songs end up feeling anonymous. I have a similar problem with Foo Fighters, Nickelback, and other big pop-rock acts. They all traffic in this undefined rage designed for maximum angry teenager appeal. Get any more specific or artful with their lyrics, and they risk record sales.

    All of which is a roundabout way of saying that no, I don't take stock in this interpretation. In truth, I don't think the song is about anything at all.
     
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