Barack Obama

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  1. travz21

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    I'm not arguing against green energy. I'm arguing against Obama funding a bad green energy company. And who do you think allows these regulations you speak of? Obama.
     
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    Well, even if that is the case he can't be a socialist and a corporatist at the same time. Again, semantics, sorry.

    He always seems to be accused of being a socialist by his critics, but I've always thought that if he really were as far left as some people try to make out he'd probably be coming down a lot harder on banks and corporations than he actually has been, and I don't really consider myself that far left but it's something I wouldn't mind seeing personally.
     
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    He allows it or he can't find the public and political support to break them? Going back to the Party of No, you gotta wonder why cap-and-trade never went into law, or why the Republican Party has such beef with the EPA. And maybe it was a bad investment, but that doesn't mean we shouldn't subsidize clean energy, or at least stop subsidies to coal, oil, natural gas, etc.
     
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    Last time I checked we are pulling out of Afghanistan and Iraq.

    I can't blame Obama for having the decency to at least prepare them before we leave completely. Talk all you want about the economy but personally I'd like to think that people come before the state of an economy in certain cases.

    But in regard to Anwar al-Awlaki, that was bad. Killing U.S. citizens let alone anybody without a trial is terrible.
     
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  5. travz21

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    We should stop 100% of subsidies. They give companies unfair advantages and can severely hurt the consumer and economy by keeping failing businesses in business.

    Without subsidies for other forms of energy, green energy could very well be our main source right now. Without subsidies ever existing we'd be a much more advanced society.


    And the EPA is just a horrible, horrible, bureaucracy.


    I'm not necessarily saying he is those things, but it's almost certain he is by his actions. The US has a lot of socialism and corporatism in it. And since that hasn't changed for a long time, you can just assume each president also shares those attributes until one actually changes our economic downward spiral.
     
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    I believe that. But there's really not much you can complain about with the EPA. I've got the numbers to prove it, and in fact I'm deeply involved in a project directly related to why legislation such as the Clean Air Act is indispensable.
     
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    maybe barrack obama is an undercover terrorist, with fake I.D................................ never know
     
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    If this doesn't make sense, it's because it doesn't make sense. Stimulus packages never work.

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    It's a little more complicated than that. I can't be arsed to explain it in a thorough manner, but big business is the only way politics gets done these days should do it for now.
     
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    It is more complicated than that, but that's not the reason he hired him, to "get things done". Big corrupt business and big corrupt government work together to make the most money for themselves, which is exactly what's happening with this hiring. It's corporatism at work.
     
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    As I explained in the other thread, I will simply respectfully disagree.



    And mention that my family has donated to the Obama campaign. :D
     
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    LOL.

    People railed at Dubya for using the same argument. That we can't leave before cleaning up our mess. How funny.

    And, does it hurt then that Obama will probably use the fact that "he" killed Osama bin Laden in the 2012 presidential race? Since according to you, even he deserved a fair trial? Who would be bin Laden's peers to sit on a jury? That would be the biggest kangaroo court of all time. Silly silly silly.
     
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    So you are limousine liberals, yes? I'm assuming based on your "big business is the only way things can get done" shtick.

    Instead of donating money to Obama, why not write a check to the U.S. government itself? There's no law against doing that.
     
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    When you assume, it makes an ass out of u and me.

    I am *pretty* well-off, but I wouldn't call myself rich (and it's my family that's moderately rich, not me personally), and we're certainly not "vacation home in Tijuana" rich. I do however consider myself a moderate liberal (the only thing that moderates me is my view of Israel, actually), and a staunch supporter of the Democratic Party (because the Republicans are all lunatics). We donate because it's what we believe in and we want Obama to succeed because we consider him the only serious candidate in the election.

    When I say big business is the only way things get done in government, don't mistake that for sympathy with big business; as with any Democrat into big government, I despise that fact. It was a statement about the reality of things in politics, not the way I think it should be. If it were up to me, I'd totally be on the "get money out of politics" bandwagon. Unfortunately I don't think that will ever happen, so it's up to us to come up with ways to use that fact of political life to our advantage.
     
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