Religion and lack of Religion in High Schools.

show me a religion that doesn't have a hateful message. it's created for bigots to feel superior.

 

You realize that the KKK is a sect of Christianity, don't you? It's obviously not representative of all of Christianity, but the original point where the KKK was brought into this discussion was used correctly. The point was that the KKK have religious freedom, too.

I'm going to add to my earlier post that just because people have the right to be stupid doesn't mean that they have the automatic right to do anything. Evolution, Global Warming, and other scientific theories have serious lessons to teach us about how we treat our environment, and ignoring the warnings we already know about can hurt or, at worst case, kill a lot of people. People's religious beliefs already hurt and kill people.

Right now in the USA, most biology teachers have been chickening out on teaching full blown evolution because of creationists. Those teachers are as hurtful to the state of evolution in schools as the creationists themselves. I can just tell that the state of education here is absolutely terrible just by listening to the most popular creationist arguments. The creationists have come up with absolutely BRIALLIANT arguments that disprove Pokemon evolution, but they've been ignoring real life evolution entirely. It's as if the people who believe these arguments think that real life evoution works like pokemon evolution or something. A basic understanding of what evolution IS would show that creationists have absolutely no foundation, but since evolution can't even be taught in schools, how will they know that? How do these people feel comfortable trying to disprove something when they do not know what they are trying to disprove?

I've since long given up on the idea that creationism is a honest anything. Creationists are either people who are lying for Jesus or people who were suckered in by the first type. They'll invent desperate lies like "evolution is a religion," "evolution creates something from nothing," and "evolution is random." They don't care that they're wrong, they only care about preserving their unfounded beliefs.

I think another thing that people forget is that they are not God. I really do not understand why people are just SO confident in their beliefs that they think they can do no wrong and believe no wrong. They listen to man-written books and ignore evidence in the real world, then they go and stand in the way of important things like evolution and global warming, unyeilding and as closed minded as a mountain. This is why I can't tolerate religion entirely as I may have implied in my earlier post. People have a right to be stupid, but that right stops at getting in other people's way and stepping on other people's rights. Religion seems to have difficulty understanding this, choosing to lie for Jesus no matter the cost.

 

my mother doesn't believe in dinosaurs. if that doesn't tell you that Christianity is stupid as shit, i don't know what possibly can.

 

^Lol.

And religion has been holding back our scientific development for so long that I'm surprised we've made it as far as we have. Kepler, Galileo, and Newton were all greatly hindered by religion (I might be wrong, but I think I'm right lol. Can't remember exactly.)

Think of all the other great scientists that didn't speak up and publish their findings because of religion. We could possibly be hundreds of years more advanced than we are now if not for religion. Maybe even more.

Think of all the minds in the world that are consumed by religion instead of science. How many more millions of scientists would we have in the world without religion?

And then also think of, like Kathy said, all of the religious teachers that are influencing our upcoming generations. These kids aren't even touching on their true potential because of these ridiculous teachings that are polluting their minds.

 

^Lol

And quests for scientific development have hindered our purpose as human beings. I firmly believe that Science and Religion can peacefully coexist. But if I want to play devil's advocate and bring up nazi experiments and stuff, I guess I could.

Think of all the Christians who didn't speak up when fellow 'Christians' weren't doing as Jesus had instructed and loved on people. There would have been no racism if we would have loved people who came into our country. There would be no negative connotation with Westboro Baptist because they would have understood God loves everyone.

Think of all the minds consumed with greed, lust, and self gain instead of focusing on God's message of love and furthering our social relationships as humans. How much better would our world be if we practiced what we preached in religion?

As Kathy said, religious teachers, like many that I had (i attended a public school) are great people, and will continue to encourage children in the school system to live in a good, morale way despite the barrage of media polluting their minds.

 

I don't think you realize what a "sect" of a religion means.

 

Here's what the Oxford English Dictionary defines a sect as:

They fit each of those definitions, I'd say. And even if they don't, obviously they aren't representative of all of Christianity but its a christian group on some level, even if calling it a sect isn't 100% right. They're still a Christian group in the sense that protestantism plays a very big part in what they do, and they also practice Christian Identity which is basically an ideology that justifies white supremacism by tying it in with Christianity.

 

What?

 

That's still a huge stretch to claim the group is "a sect of Christianity", considering when it was first started as an insurgency against southern reconstruction and didn't introduce the 'pure Christian' nonsense until years later. They're Protestant extremists, and Protestantism is a sect of Christianity, but the Klan on it's own is not a denomination.

Splitting hairs maybe, since obviously her point was about religious radicalism in general, but that needed to be addressed.

 

This nitpicking doesn't change what my point was or what Trav's original point was, so I don't know why the big bother over this. The KKK used to be large enough to hold parades, and they have the right to religious freedom, being a religiously charged group even today. What point are you trying to make?

 

That it's not a sect of that religion, it's at a group of religious extremists that bastardize religious dogma to fit the racist views they had before. There's a big difference.

 

Every religion is somebody else's bastard. /offtopic

 

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ok.

 

This

 

It's not like more mainstream religious groups are squeaky clean and consistent. Giving religion credit when people do good things and then distancing them when they do bad is kind of having it both ways.

That and while we're nitpicking I wouldn't really say the KKK bastardise Christian dogma, they just tie what's there in with their existing views. When they say WASPs are all descended from the Israelites they're probably bastardising science and history at least as much as they're bastardising religion.

 

Pfft, in any religion mainstream or not, there are going to be extremists.

Didn't the KKK actually start out as a Christian sect? So why would it bastardise its own religion? If that be the case, you could also say that Scientology bastardises Science and Literature.

 

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ku_Klux_Klan

 

It's not just extremists though. Look at some of the stuff the Catholic church has done, for example.

 

What are the Crusades?

 

Here's something fairly recent pertaining to the evils of th Catholic church.

http://www.google.com/hostednews/ap...1MQzAA?docId=e43e04558be646299c55ad8bb8990e7f
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20110321/ap_on_re_us/us_nuns_lawsuit