I hope Sarah Palin is proud of herself. She created this. I'm a liberal, a Jew, a supporter of health care reform, an enemy of the NRA and supporter of gun control, pro-choice and pro-gay rights. Her rabid supporters want people like me dead.
I see that all of his videos have been disabled to comment on. Something has to change in terms of gun possession. How the fuck did this mental guy get a gun? And I second what Derek said^^
Todd, you should add that guy on Facebook and say. "Hi! My name is Todd. I am a liberal, believe in a woman's right to choose, think gay rights are acceptable and supported Obama's healthcare plan. I also think people who hold their gun more then their own penis are idiots. Want to be friends? "
And you hate them for all of the reverse reasons. They're conservatitve, Christians, anti-Obamacare, pro-NRA and anti-gun control, pro-life, and anti-homosexual. You want these people dead too. Or just Sarah Palin. One way or another. You can't hate them for hating you because of your ideals, and then turn around and hate them for their ideals (however wrong they might be). You're no better than the rest of her supporters, minus the fact that you won't go out and shoot Palin (just yet). Like I said earlier, I'm just SURE her agenda was to get someone shot in the face. I'm almost positive. There is a time where your hate for a particular politician has to be pushed aside and the blame has to go on those actually responsible for the action, not the one you think caused it because of some stupid propaganda piece.
WOW. just WOW. Oversimplification and Stereotypical CITY! You think you're some sort of armchair psychologist? There are many people who do want to treat others as they would want people to treat them. Some nutjobs can cope with the cognitive dissonance of being an absolute hypocrite, but a lot of people can't resolve that, or pride themselves on not stooping to their enemy's behavior.
When is some change going to happen? The US is turning into a steaming pile. The system needs to disappear. Let's take some notes from China and Canada.
I'm going to stay out of this thread and refrain from commenting before I say something I regret. You are out of line Casey. Not only are you putting words in everybody's mouth, but you're also totally out of line.
/thread There's no reason for me to post here because Casey's just been saying everything I've wanted to anyway.
I would not kill someone or seriously wish death on them purely because I disagree with them, and I'd like to think a majority of people would say the same. If you would, cool. Don't try to bring other people down to your level though. There's a difference between having strong convictions and this, assuming this is politically motivated.
Exactly. Sorry Amanda/Casey but I don't agree with either of you. I've never wished anybody dead, and I don't think I'm going to start now, even with the creep Todd posted a pic of above. To assume we want somebody dead just because your outrageously off-base opinions suggest so is asinine. Sorry. Its wrong and entirely incorrect.
and now it's time for tragically sad irony http://studentactivism.net/2011/01/08/gabrielle-giffords/ regardless of whether or not it was motivated politically (the nutjob's youtube channel certainly is, he has some influence from politics, i think i will take back what i said earlier about influences). Using rhetoric like "Don't retreat, RELOAD" had killed people in the past and this is not where the country needs to be. People identified problems with Palin last September. She has had plenty of time to remove these pieces of propaganda. http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2010/03/26/elizabeth-hasselbeck-sara_n_514561.html http://joemygod.blogspot.com/2010/09/palinpac-site-puts-cross-hairs-on-dems.html These people knew that what was going on was wrong. They know what sorts of things the rhetoric can lead to. And even if this case isn't Palin's fault, maybe she can take a lesson from this before anyone else has to die from some mentally ill person who would take rhetoric as literal truth. And it only takes one unstable person to do what her imagery suggests to do. These are supposed to be the leaders of our nation. They are supposed to think of the consequences of their actions. They are supposed to consider the worst case scenario of their actions. Palin didn't. It is evident, even if this is not her fault, that Sarah Palin is a fucking idiot. There is no excuse for this behavior for someone with this much responsibility. Maybe the silver lining is that this sort of dirty politics will die down and bit. But then again maybe i'm being a little too hopeful. But now is a good time to denounce behavior like this. QFT. The extreme polarization of the USA is a more recent development. Talk like that implies we've always been in an eternal, bloody civil war. Really, the only people i truly hate are people who utilize violence. The thought of me killing someone because of their violence makes no sense to me. I don't function like Neanderthals do. I don't even support the death penalty.
Outside of Casey being completely off point by insisting disagreeing with someone's ideals is the same as wanting to kill them, the pure moral relativism inherent in his post I find disgusting. People who hate gays, for instance, are just wrong. It is not a justifiable belief, and it hurts people severely who do not deserve it. It is ridiculous to say, "You hate homophobes, and homophobes hate you" as if they are in any way equatable.
I don't understand this picture. Was this about the health care reform that Obama tried to get the lower house (or whatever house of representatives you Americans have, and yes I don't understand how laws are passed in the US) to pass but something along the lines of the insurance companies would lose big time on cashing in people's ill health? By my understanding of this thread, Sarah Palin (I have heard of her but not her policies) was against the health reform to provide a better medicare system to America? If it was a mental health issue of the shooter, I say and I assume, not much funding has gone into mental health funding for Americans on the "benefits scheme" (if you have one?). By any means, anyone can correct me anytime on my little knowledge of the American health system, but what I know of it, is that the insurance companies run everything and there's no such thing as free health care (unlike here) by assumption to what I've been told by friends in the US and their experiences. But nonetheless, any innocent death is always tragic and may their family find solitude and justice when this guy is caught. Edit. And as for wanting this guy dead, sorry, that's like saying I believe in capital punishment, I don't believe in it. Revenge never solved anything and if you want an eye for an eye, you would end up blind, as my father once put it.
I'm pretty sure that isn't what Casey meant. Even though his post has rubbed almost everybody the wrong way, there are plenty of people are like that...I guess they aren't on this board though lol...so he really jumped the gun. And to be really honest...it's easy to justify anything. There are plenty of religious folks that hate gays because of the belief that God hates homosexuals. Now, if you worship any god(s) that take that stance, you absolutely would also!