Have we already had a thread about this? I know it's been mentioned a few times, but I'd like to hear more opinions on it. Why does the riff in ALITS sound unforgivably similar to Victimized? It almost feels like Victimized was this precursor to THP, like sometime in LT Mike was like "I still wanna make really heavy stuff, let's throw one heavy track in here". Then after LT, Mike was like "ok let's just make an entire heavy album now with a 6 minute version of Victimized". I know they use similar chord progressions all the time, and there instrumental work isn't too complex most of the time, but none of their songs actually sound similar at all. Then these two songs have a practically identical intro. Of course, there's a lot more to both songs, but still, it bothers me lol.
Similar chord progressions and then you even put it on the same guitar and amp presets... ...you end up ruining one of the best songs on LT.
Are you gonna start a separate thread for the similarities between "A Line In The Sand" and "Guilty All The Same"?
The riff in Victimized is run through a 3-band octave splitting effect. The riff in ALITS isn't. Here's the thing. The riff in Victimized, save for the turnaround at the end, is literally one note: Code: |-------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------| |-------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------| |-------------------------------------------------------------------------------------7--7--7--7--| |-------------------------------------------------------------------------------------x--x--x--x--| |-5--5--5--5--5-----5--5--5-----5--5--5--5--5-----5--5--5--5--5-----5--5--5-----5-----5--5--5--5--| |-------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------| |FX . . . . . . . . . "FX" notes where the +1 octave sweep effect is used, plus the whole riff is run through an octave splitter. Here's the riff from ALITS: Code: |--------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------| |--------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------| |--------------7-----------7-----------------7-----------------7-----------------------------------| |--------------x-----------x-----------------x-----------------x-----------5-h7-----3-h5-----2-h3--| |--------------5-----------5-----------------5-----------------5-----------5-h7-----3-h5-----2-h3--| |--0--0--0--0--------0--0--------0--0--0--0--------0--0--0--0--------0--0--5-h7--0--3-h5--0--2-h3--| PM . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . It's literally one part of one riff shared between the two songs that sounds the same, and when you actually look at how they're played, you quickly realize they aren't the same at all. This is something that has been HORRIBLY exaggerated on numerous occasions since the day THP leaked.
Yeah but upon my first listen, when that riff kicked in, basically the entire Victimzed played in my head. It just sounds too similar.
Nice answer Astat. Yeah at the first listeneds i thought the same, but now... nahhhh. I am one of the few who like this song , so maybe thats why
Honestly, if you were saying ALITS and GATS I'd side with you, but the connection between Victimized and ALITS is tiny at best.
This 100%. Even IF the riff from A Line In The Sand sounds similar to Guilty All The Same and Victimized, and Mike's rhythm in the bridge is reminiscent of By Myself, why do people think this is a bad thing? If anything I see it as a satisfying tribute to their history.
I don't think people complained about Faint and From the Inside when Meteora dropped. Those two were on the same album, and had the exact same powerchords in their main riffs, in nearly the same order, save for the extra E5's at the end of the Faint riff. Stealing your tabs for reference Astat: Code: |-------------------------------------------------------------------------| |-------------------------------------------------------------------------| |-------------------------------------------------------------------------| |-0--0-----0-----0--0--0-----0-----0--3--3-----3-----3--3--3-----3-----3--| |-0--0-----0-----0--0--0-----0-----0--3--3-----3-----3--3--3-----3-----3--| |-0--0-----0-----0--0--0-----0-----0--3--3-----3-----3--3--3-----3-----3--| |-------------------------------------------------------------------------| |-------------------------------------------------------------------------| |-------------------------------------------------------------------------| |-8--8-----8-----8--8--8-----8-----8--5--5-----5-----5--7--7-----7-----7--| |-8--8-----8-----8--8--8-----8-----8--5--5-----5-----5--7--7-----7-----7--| |-8--8-----8-----8--8--8-----8-----8--5--5-----5-----5--7--7-----7-----7--| That's From the Inside. Code: |-------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------| |-------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------| |-------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------| |-0--0--0--0--0--0--0-----3--3--3--3--3--3--3-----8--8--8--8--8--8--8-----5--5--5--7--7--3--3-----| |-0--0--0--0--0--0--0-----3--3--3--3--3--3--3-----8--8--8--8--8--8--8-----5--5--5--7--7--3--3-----| |-0--0--0--0--0--0--0-----3--3--3--3--3--3--3-----8--8--8--8--8--8--8-----5--5--5--7--7--3--3-----| That's Faint. Those two are leagues more similar than Vicitimized/Guilty All the Same and A Line in the Sand.
Rumour has it that if you play the 'chorus' of ALITS backwards, Chester is actually saying "Victimized, Victimized, once again, Victimized"
It's played with octaves (Brad's part is octaves, power chords is Mike's), but the rhythm guitar is essentially the same thing with that one noted exception. But if you make that argument you might as well invalidate this thread's argument, since there's octave splitting on Victimized and not A Line in the Sand.