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F-ck Casey
05-16-2004, 12:50 AM
Rumsfeld Approved Iraq Interrogation Plan -Report

By Jeremy Pelofsky

WASHINGTON (Reuters) - Defense Secretary Donald Rumsfeld approved a plan that brought unconventional interrogation methods to Iraq (news - web sites) to gain intelligence about the growing insurgency, ultimately leading to the abuse of Iraqi prisoners, the New Yorker magazine reported on Saturday.

Rumsfeld, who has been under fire for the prisoner abuse scandal, gave the green light to methods previously used in Afghanistan (news - web sites) for gathering intelligence on members of al Qaeda, which the United States blames for the Sept. 11, 2001, attacks, the magazine reported on its Web site.

Pentagon (news - web sites) spokesman Jim Turner said he had not seen the story and could not comment. The article hits newsstands on Monday.

U.S. interrogation techniques have come under scrutiny amid revelations that prisoners at the Abu Ghraib prison outside Baghdad were kept naked, stacked on top of one another, forced to engage in sex acts and photographed in humiliating poses.

Rumsfeld, who has rejected calls by some Democrats and a number of major newspapers to resign, returned on Friday from a surprise trip to Iraq and Abu Ghraib prison, calling the scandal a "body blow." Seven soldiers have been charged.

The abuse prompted worldwide outrage and has shaken U.S. global prestige as President Bush (news - web sites) seeks re-election in November. Bush has backed Rumsfeld and said the abuse was abhorrent but the wrongful actions of only a few soldiers.

The U.S. military has now prohibited several interrogation methods from being used in Iraq, including sleep and sensory deprivation and body "stress positions," defense officials said on Friday.

SPECIAL ACCESS PROGRAM

The New Yorker said the interrogation plan was a highly classified "special access program," or SAP, that gave advance approval to kill, capture or interrogate so-called high-value targets in the battle against terror.

Such secret methods were used extensively in Afghanistan but more sparingly in Iraq -- only in the search for former President Saddam Hussein (news - web sites) and weapons of mass destruction. As the Iraqi insurgency grew and more U.S. soldiers died, Rumsfeld and Defense Undersecretary for Intelligence Stephen Cambone expanded the scope to bring the interrogation tactics to Abu Ghraib, the article said.

The magazine, which based its article on interviews with several past and present American intelligence officials, reported the plan was approved and carried out last year after deadly bombings in August at the U.N. headquarters and Jordanian Embassy in Baghdad.

A former intelligence official quoted in the article said Rumsfeld and Gen. Richard Myers, chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff, approved the program but may not have known about the abuse.

'DO WHAT YOU WANT'

The rules governing the secret operation were "grab whom you must. Do what you want," the unidentified former intelligence official told the New Yorker.

Rumsfeld left the details of the interrogations to Cambone, the article quoted a Pentagon consultant as saying.

"This is Cambone's deal, but Rumsfeld and Myers approved the program," said the Pentagon consultant in the article.

U.S. officials have admitted the abuse may have violated the Geneva Convention, which governs treatment of prisoners of war.

The New Yorker said the CIA (news - web sites), which approved using high-pressure interrogation tactics against senior al Qaeda leaders after the 2001 attacks, balked at extending them to Iraq and refused to participate

After initiating the secret techniques, the U.S. military began learning useful intelligence about the insurgency, the former intelligence official was quoted as saying.


and now for something completely related :P:

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Karl
05-16-2004, 01:25 AM
Interrogation techniques wont change, ban what they like, we all now some soldiers will continue doing as they wish, totally unnaceptable, but they cant be watched all the time and theres some sick people in this world.

F-ck Casey
05-16-2004, 01:28 AM
Originally posted by Karl@May 15 2004, 07:25 PM
Interrogation techniques wont change, ban what they like, we all now some soldiers will continue doing as they wish, totally unnaceptable, but they cant be watched all the time and theres some sick people in this world.
you do know that the interrogation techniques they're going to use are very brutal, don't you?

they'll likely use some of these techniques (http://www.thesmokinggun.com/archive/jackstraw1.html)

Whimsicality
05-16-2004, 01:31 AM
Originally posted by Casey+May 15 2004, 09:28 PM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (Casey @ May 15 2004, 09:28 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> <!--QuoteBegin--Karl@May 15 2004, 07:25 PM
Interrogation techniques wont change, ban what they like, we all now some soldiers will continue doing as they wish, totally unnaceptable, but they cant be watched all the time and theres some sick people in this world.
you do know that the interrogation techniques they&#39;re going to use are very brutal, don&#39;t you?

they&#39;ll likely use some of these techniques (http://www.thesmokinggun.com/archive/jackstraw1.html) [/b][/quote]
That&#39;s sick.

Karl
05-16-2004, 01:38 AM
Originally posted by Casey+May 16 2004, 01:28 AM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (Casey @ May 16 2004, 01:28 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> <!--QuoteBegin--Karl@May 15 2004, 07:25 PM
Interrogation techniques wont change, ban what they like, we all now some soldiers will continue doing as they wish, totally unnaceptable, but they cant be watched all the time and theres some sick people in this world.
you do know that the interrogation techniques they&#39;re going to use are very brutal, don&#39;t you?

they&#39;ll likely use some of these techniques (http://www.thesmokinggun.com/archive/jackstraw1.html) [/b][/quote]
As twicethetrouble says, that truly is utterly sick, but i cant see the american government openly enforcing interrogation techniques such as them, although i wouldnt put it past american soldiers to use them, and im sure they have/will, some anyway, the pictures prove that.

F-ck Casey
05-16-2004, 01:50 AM
eye gouging and the drilling of the hands, we&#39;ll do that most likely.

but the lowering into acid is just borderline insane.

Karl
05-16-2004, 01:51 AM
Agree, but i also find eye gouging and the drilling of the hands insane too :wth:

Mark
05-16-2004, 02:57 AM
Most.Corrupt.Government.Ever.

F-ck Casey
05-16-2004, 03:02 AM
Originally posted by Mark@May 15 2004, 08:57 PM
Most.Corrupt.Government.Ever.
and i&#39;m proud to be an american..


wait, no i&#39;m not.

Derek The Infamous
05-16-2004, 04:35 PM
Originally posted by Mark@May 15 2004, 09:57 PM
Most.Corrupt.Government.Ever.
Yeah but what can you do? Nobody seems to care about Truman&#39;s efforts for peace anymore. While we had a lot of wars back in the 1940&#39;s some part still tells me it was a lot more peaceful back then, than it is now.

Mark
05-16-2004, 04:53 PM
Originally posted by Derek+May 16 2004, 02:05 PM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (Derek @ May 16 2004, 02:05 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> <!--QuoteBegin--Mark@May 15 2004, 09:57 PM
Most.Corrupt.Government.Ever.
Yeah but what can you do? Nobody seems to care about Truman&#39;s efforts for peace anymore. While we had a lot of wars back in the 1940&#39;s some part still tells me it was a lot more peaceful back then, than it is now. [/b][/quote]
I was talking about the current government in power, not the entire slew of governments over the past 70 years.

ass_kicker
05-16-2004, 05:30 PM
can somebody sum the article up for me, pretty pretty please?... im too lazy to read it. and to understand it. :D