American citizen decapitated in Iraq

[Phantom Duck]

Anyone seen the video with the live decapitation of that American by the leader or Hamas? I think it's too inhumane, but the Arabs have at last understood that's the only way to persuade the Americans they're only sending their children to death. I mean, everyone thought, "good, we'll kill a bunch of Saddam's officers, and that's all", but now they're like "wtf, i'm not sending my son to that hell". And as Arabs say, "blodd for blood", especially after those pics of the tortured Iraquis.

Comment :mellow:

[Andrea]

I accidently saw the decapitation video. I was at school yesterday and some of the people in the library found a site that had the video on there and started watching it. I walked by and I saw the beheading. I felt sick to my stomach when I saw it. I am lost for words and yes, it's definitely inhumane.

[Dan]

I think its disgusting and inhumane, i saw both the video and stills from it. After i saw it i just felt so weird, i got real creeped out by that video.

[Mr. Benzedrine]

Yes i have seen it, And no it doesnt bother me, But thats not me saying that i thought it was right, It was Inhumanely wrong, But really no-one could have stopped it.

My condolences go out to Nick Berg's family and friends as they are the ones who are truly suffering.

[Radical Dreamer]

Originally posted by FRGT/1088@May 15 2004, 01:38 PM
I think its disgusting and inhumane, i saw both the video and stills from it. After i saw it i just felt so weird, i got real creeped out by that video.
Same here. I don't think anyone deserves to die so brutally. What's worse is that the video is being circulated around the Internet. People could at least have the decency to take it down. It's too horrible to watch.

[Dedicated]

I can't believe that people are saying that it's fake...



Stuff like this has got to stop... I mean the killing and the frauds

[Omar A]

I hope that the people that saw it know now that the Iraqis DON"T want Americans in their country

And as for Berg. Its been rumored that he's an American spy. I'm not saying that the beheading was right, but this is war and people are expected to die.

[Radical Dreamer]

Originally posted by Omar A@May 15 2004, 06:09 PM
I hope that the people that saw it know now that the Iraqis DON"T want Americans in their country

And as for Berg. Its been rumored that he's an American spy. I'm not saying that the beheading was right, but this is war and people are expected to die.
I feel sorry for his family, but the US government shouldn't try to exempt themselves from the responsibility of his death.

[TheSunIsShining]

oh god, someone on a chat room showed me the video, thats just horrible. thank god it was so blurry

how can people do stuff like that to one another????

[Derek The Infamous]

I'd rather not watch it, thank you. I don't get excited watching blood splatter all over the place, and seeing someone's head fall clean off their neck.

I dont know how anyone can see that and feel normal afterwards.

[TheSunIsShining]

i dont know... im wishing i hadnt seen the video. I agree with derek... its not exciting

[Karl]

I`ve seen the video, i heard bout it on the news many days ago and was like oh my god no way, thats ######' outragous man, then in english on thursday we were talking about it, and our teacher said that it wasnt just a simple cut of the head like, they hacked at it, so i wa slike omfg thats just sick, she said her friend, who is about 30, so a grown man, who loves horror films and has a pretty strong stomach had seen it, and he was stunned and lost sleep over it, it was that horrific, and told us not to look for it.
So thursday afternoon i got home from school, and one of my online mates gave me the link to see it, i was like nah man, but i knew the link, the curiosity bugged me for hours, till i thought, ok its just going to continuously bug me, so i gave into curiosity and watched it, and oh my god, i felt seriously sick for hours afterwards, it was completely unjustified, inhumane, to be honest there is few words to truly describe it, utterly sick, im not going to say what happens because obviously some people wont want to know, i cant say i regret watching it, however much i hate it and how it made me feel, the curiosity was there.

My advice would be not to watch it, but do as you please.

[Mark]

There's a difference between trying to prove a point and stepping over the line, and I feel the Iraqis have totally overstepped the line. Any time Iraqis were killed, it was usually swift and quick gunshot, not a slow and painful knife to the back of someones head. I haven't seen the video, and I won't watch it, but I did stumble across a picture of an Iraqi holding up the head of Nick Berg and it was absolutely disgusting and deplorable. I am absolutely sickened by these actions.

[F-ck Casey]

that video is no more inhumane than the way we treated the Iraqi prisoners in my mind.

the Iraqis are right in that video. Blood for blood.

[Derek The Infamous]

Originally posted by Casey@May 15 2004, 10:12 PM
that video is no more inhumane than the way we treated the Iraqi prisoners in my mind.

the Iraqis are right in that video. Blood for blood.
What the hell is wrong with you, man? How in god's name does our 'mis-treatment' of the Iraqi's justify them to cut a person's head clear off of his neck? We didn't kill anyone in our torture and we sure as hell didn't behead a man who didn't deserve it, your comment disgusted me beyond all means and I dare you to go to that man's father and say its humane in his face.

If our nation didn't thrive on free speech, I'd warn you for that outrageously disrespectful comment. I don't care if we whipped an Iraqi on his ass, plain and simple we didn't f*cking cut anyone's head off and your comment was completely unneccesary.

There's a time when these Serious Chat threads overstep their lines and I believe this thread is doing that right now. Have some respect man, I admit what we did to the Iraqi's was wrong but there's no reason to say a beheading was f*cking right.

I'm five seconds from closing this thread...watch what you say people, free speech or not, some things are just better left unsaid.

[F-ck Casey]

no no, i didn't mean it was right.

it's justified. i mean, atleast they just didn't start killing without a reason again. what i'm saying is that Bush needs to realize what is really going on over there, and the real consquences that will come out of it.

in no way is murder, or torture for that matter, right.

[Karl]

Part of your post was incorrect, iraqi prisoners were found murdered, iraqi prisoners were found gagged and drowned, iraqi prisoners were found gagged and chucked off backs of lorrys in the dessert.
Although some of the things iv heard...i have only heard and not seen in print.

What ever anyone says nothing will justify cutting the head of an innocent civilian whilst alive, absolutely nothing.

[F-ck Casey]

well it's been said that some of the prisoners that we take in are proven not guilty, but they still stay in those conditions and take the alleged abuse.

again, i wasn't saying the execution was right. sorry if it seemed that way.

[Derek The Infamous]

Originally posted by Casey@May 15 2004, 10:36 PM
well it's been said that some of the prisoners that we take in are proven not guilty, but they still stay in those conditions and take the alleged abuse.

again, i wasn't saying the execution was right. sorry if it seemed that way.
Apology accepted, I just have a really deep heart..and things affect me largely at times.

[TeMpEsT]

I've seen the video, damn...damn gruesome.

[Phantom Duck]

Originally posted by Derek+May 16 2004, 03:42 AM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (Derek @ May 16 2004, 03:42 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> <!--QuoteBegin--Casey@May 15 2004, 10:36 PM
well it&#39;s been said that some of the prisoners that we take in are proven not guilty, but they still stay in those conditions and take the alleged abuse.

again, i wasn&#39;t saying the execution was right. sorry if it seemed that way.
Apology accepted, I just have a really deep heart..and things affect me largely at times. [/b][/quote]
Too bad the tortures and assassinations of the Iraquis seem to affect you less than an American&#39;s death.

[Karl]

He didnt say that...

[Derek The Infamous]

Originally posted by Phantom The Duck VII+May 16 2004, 07:38 AM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (Phantom The Duck VII @ May 16 2004, 07:38 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'>
Originally posted by -Derek@May 16 2004, 03:42 AM
<!--QuoteBegin--Casey@May 15 2004, 10:36 PM
well it&#39;s been said that some of the prisoners that we take in are proven not guilty, but they still stay in those conditions and take the alleged abuse.

again, i wasn&#39;t saying the execution was right. sorry if it seemed that way.
Apology accepted, I just have a really deep heart..and things affect me largely at times.
Too bad the tortures and assassinations of the Iraquis seem to affect you less than an American&#39;s death. [/b][/quote]
Get your head out of your ass and quit assuming sh*t. For your information, Iraqi&#39;s were taking us prisoner long before we did that sh*t in the jails, yet everyone looks at us because we&#39;re America and we&#39;re supposed to walk around with a grin on our faces and never step out of line, cause so help us god, if we even make one mistake we&#39;re satan in his human form.

You people in other countries are the reason us Americans look so bad, you love to assume sh*t before you get your facts straight. Yes if you can&#39;t tell Duck, I&#39;m now very pissed off with you, great job :).

[Karl]

Not often i make posts like this one but i think its just.

Fu*kin well said Derek&#33;

(im a brit, but 100% see where your coming from)

[Derek The Infamous]

Yeah and must I remind everyone here about the abuse that went on with Americans during the vietnam war? The vietanmese would take slivers of wood and shove them up underneath the american&#39;s fingernails (if you&#39;ve ever accidentally ripped off a REAL fingernail you&#39;ll have to imagine that pain times 10 for each finger). Not only would they do that, they&#39;d tie the prisoners hands behind thier back, hoist them up, pop their shoulders out of place then proceed to do it again after the shoulder was popped back in place.

I don&#39;t recall us Americans doing any type of thing like that, yet amazingly America is the worst country in the world. Let&#39;s figure out the sense in that one.

[Karl]

There is no sense in it, i wasnt aware allthat happened, sickening it really is.

[Whimsicality]

I have not seen the video. I&#39;ve been depressed enough lately, there is absolutly no way I could stomach that.

Forget trying to label individual countries as the "bad guys," us as human beings are a ####### disgusting race.

[Phantom Duck]

Originally posted by Derek@May 16 2004, 02:30 PM
I don&#39;t recall us Americans doing any type of thing like that.
Instead of attacking you back and trying to piss you off more, i&#39;ll just say this is the best joke i&#39;ve heard today.

[Karl]

That wasnt called for mate, lets calm this down a bit yeah, its going to get hugely out of hand.

[Derek The Infamous]

Originally posted by Phantom The Duck VII+May 16 2004, 11:11 AM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (Phantom The Duck VII @ May 16 2004, 11:11 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> <!--QuoteBegin--Derek@May 16 2004, 02:30 PM
I don&#39;t recall us Americans doing any type of thing like that.
Instead of attacking you back and trying to piss you off more, i&#39;ll just say this is the best joke i&#39;ve heard today. [/b][/quote]
So you act like a complete smartass to me before I even &#39;attacked&#39; you in the first place and then you expect me to change your name for the 1000th time? Amazing.

I don&#39;t know who you think you are, but your name is now changed, although I wouldn&#39;t recommend messaging me on MSN because I can promise I won&#39;t be buddy-buddy with someone who&#39;s so anti-american it&#39;s not even funny.

Would you like me to dig up bad history on Greece and shove it in your face? I doubt it.

[Omar A]

Originally posted by Derek@May 16 2004, 02:30 PM
Yeah and must I remind everyone here about the abuse that went on with Americans during the vietnam war? The vietanmese would take slivers of wood and shove them up underneath the american&#39;s fingernails (if you&#39;ve ever accidentally ripped off a REAL fingernail you&#39;ll have to imagine that pain times 10 for each finger). Not only would they do that, they&#39;d tie the prisoners hands behind thier back, hoist them up, pop their shoulders out of place then proceed to do it again after the shoulder was popped back in place.

I don&#39;t recall us Americans doing any type of thing like that, yet amazingly America is the worst country in the world. Let&#39;s figure out the sense in that one.
Did Vietnam take pictures of themselves smiling and all excited about the abuse? Unlike the American soldiers, where they were shown like they were proud of what they were doing.

EDIT:

I don&#39;t know why you use the word "WE" in your posts. I&#39;m not hating on the americans, but I am on these couple of soldiers. Americans are great people and I&#39;m sure that the soldiers that abused the iraqis don&#39;t represent the population of America.

[ass_kicker]

Originally posted by Omar A+May 16 2004, 05:31 PM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (Omar A @ May 16 2004, 05:31 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> <!--QuoteBegin--Derek@May 16 2004, 02:30 PM
Yeah and must I remind everyone here about the abuse that went on with Americans during the vietnam war? The vietanmese would take slivers of wood and shove them up underneath the american&#39;s fingernails (if you&#39;ve ever accidentally ripped off a REAL fingernail you&#39;ll have to imagine that pain times 10 for each finger). Not only would they do that, they&#39;d tie the prisoners hands behind thier back, hoist them up, pop their shoulders out of place then proceed to do it again after the shoulder was popped back in place.

I don&#39;t recall us Americans doing any type of thing like that, yet amazingly America is the worst country in the world. Let&#39;s figure out the sense in that one.
Did Vietnam take pictures of themselves smiling and all excited about the abuse? Unlike the American soldiers, where they were shown like they were proud of what they were doing. [/b][/quote]
sorry guys... but who the hell is vietnam? isnt it a country?... :mellow: :shifty:

EDIT: dont mind me... i just finished reading derek&#39;s post. i get it now. *note to self: always finish reading posts first before posting a dumb comment*

[Phantom Duck]

Originally posted by Derek+May 16 2004, 04:24 PM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (Derek @ May 16 2004, 04:24 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'>
Originally posted by -Phantom The Duck VII@May 16 2004, 11:11 AM
<!--QuoteBegin--Derek@May 16 2004, 02:30 PM
I don&#39;t recall us Americans doing any type of thing like that.
Instead of attacking you back and trying to piss you off more, i&#39;ll just say this is the best joke i&#39;ve heard today.
So you act like a complete smartass to me before I even &#39;attacked&#39; you in the first place and then you expect me to change your name for the 1000th time? Amazing.

I don&#39;t know who you think you are, but your name is now changed, although I wouldn&#39;t recommend messaging me on MSN because I can promise I won&#39;t be buddy-buddy with someone who&#39;s so anti-american it&#39;s not even funny.

Would you like me to dig up bad history on Greece and shove it in your face? I doubt it. [/b][/quote]
Know what? If you wanna take this out of the debate, ok, don&#39;t IM me again. I thought this was just a debate. If i offended you so much, dude, i&#39;m sorry, but don&#39;t have an outbreak regarding everything about me because i diagree with you in a, let&#39;s say, agressive way.

[ass_kicker]

Originally posted by Phantom Duck+May 16 2004, 05:44 PM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (Phantom Duck @ May 16 2004, 05:44 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'>
Originally posted by -Derek@May 16 2004, 04:24 PM

Originally posted by -Phantom The Duck VII@May 16 2004, 11:11 AM
<!--QuoteBegin--Derek@May 16 2004, 02:30 PM
I don&#39;t recall us Americans doing any type of thing like that.
Instead of attacking you back and trying to piss you off more, i&#39;ll just say this is the best joke i&#39;ve heard today.
So you act like a complete smartass to me before I even &#39;attacked&#39; you in the first place and then you expect me to change your name for the 1000th time? Amazing.

I don&#39;t know who you think you are, but your name is now changed, although I wouldn&#39;t recommend messaging me on MSN because I can promise I won&#39;t be buddy-buddy with someone who&#39;s so anti-american it&#39;s not even funny.

Would you like me to dig up bad history on Greece and shove it in your face? I doubt it.
Know what? If you wanna take this out of the debate, ok, don&#39;t IM me again. I thought this was just a debate. If i offended you so much, dude, i&#39;m sorry, but don&#39;t have an outbreak regarding everything about me because i diagree with you in a, let&#39;s say, agressive way. [/b][/quote]
ok i think thats enough you guys... hope you&#39;ll solve this with each other&#39;s help.

now lets all just breathe now, alright? ^_^
now derek and phantom are gonna yell at me... *hides*

[LornVourkolakas]

I saw the beheading. And than I ate dinner. After that, I had a very good sleep. I than woke up and ate breakfast. Somehow, I can&#39;t bring myself to feel remorse of any kind because of this beheading.

I don&#39;t know this dude. Let alone his family or friends. Yes, I am a American. Yes, there is a war. But why am I going to let that stop me from living my life?

So soldiers like torturing the Iraqees or however you spell them. So Iraqees like beheading random Americans. Things happen for a reason. They set future events. This simply is one of those things that happened for a reason.

Oh, and to go back to the video. I thought it was interesting on how one of the Iraqees held up his head as if it were a trophy.

[TeMpEsT]

Originally posted by LornVourkolakas@May 16 2004, 06:18 PM
Oh, and to go back to the video. I thought it was interesting on how one of the Iraqees held up his head as if it were a trophy.
Reminded me of the Predator movie.

[LornVourkolakas]

Originally posted by TeMpEsT+May 16 2004, 06:49 PM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (TeMpEsT @ May 16 2004, 06:49 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> <!--QuoteBegin--LornVourkolakas@May 16 2004, 06:18 PM
Oh, and to go back to the video. I thought it was interesting on how one of the Iraqees held up his head as if it were a trophy.
Reminded me of the Predator movie. [/b][/quote]
Omg, that&#39;s exactly what it reminded me of. Well, not really. It reminded me of the game: Alien vs Predator. The predator ends up decapitating it&#39;s victims and holds up the head in honor. Maybe my playing such video games is the reason that video didn&#39;t affect me much.

[Todd]

I think it&#39;s fake. Honestly, I really do.
For those of you with a strong stomach and no heart (like me :lol:) watch the video. Nick doesn&#39;t move, doesn&#39;t twitch at all. When they pull out the knife, don&#39;t you&#39;d think he&#39;d try to escape, or at least squirm a bit. I don&#39;t know about you, but when I get a freaking shot I squirm a bit. It&#39;s natural for anyone to move around when they&#39;re being cut like that. So, the explanation? He was executed in a more humane manner, like lethal injection. Why? The US government supposidley has evidence that he communicated with the 9/11 terrorists. And, according to Bush, all the terrorists hang out in Iraq. So this man that supposidley communicated with terrorists is out in Iraq on his own free will. The US put 2 and 2 together and took him out. Right? No. Innocent until proven guilty. And the timing is oh so convienent. I mean, right when these abuse photos get out to the public, this video comes along to take the media&#39;s minds off the photos. And why wasn&#39;t blood gushing out? He&#39;s already dead; killed before in hopefully a painless matter by the US. Your heart doesn&#39;t stop beating the second the knife hits your throat, it&#39;s still gonna pump for a minute or two. So you&#39;d think that if it&#39;s still pumping, blood would squirt all over the place. But, it&#39;s not.

Here&#39;s some stuff I read on another forum, I take no credit, but it definitely makes you wonder.


I think we are looking at a fake here......

1) Most people replied by asserting that the execution occured as retribution to the abuse photos that had surfaced, but you have to ask yourself - do these terrorists, who are clearly capable of brainwashing people to the point where they are willing to kill and be killed for their beliefs, really have no concept of political tact? Here they are, the whole world screaming at the US for hypocrisy and injustice over these pictures, and they perform and publish this execution right in the heat of the scandal. In other words, these masters of brainwashing and spin and deception release a video of a despicable act just as the US, their sworn enemy, is being globally grilled. Does this make sense to you?

2) Second, I wonder what the standard issue chair is at Abu Ghraib prison?

3) Is it not interesting that the wall colour at Abu Ghraib prison is identical to that of the video?

4) Is it not also interesting that Berg is wearing the same orange jumpsuit worn by prisoners at Abu Ghraib prison? Sure, you say, perhaps he was kidnapped directly from the prison (as stupid as this sounds, anyway) - but then can you please explain (7)?

5) Is it also not interesting that the timecodes in the video jump back and forth?

6) Is it also not interesting that Berg did not exhibit any of the convulsions that typically accompany decapitation? http://www.ahsc.arizona.edu/uac/iacuc/rodents/avma.htm I am suggesting here that Berg was already dead when the decapitation occured (which accounts for 5). Before you go calling me crazy, please review the evidence; why did he not exhibit the convulsions that go hand in hand with decapitation (especially such an extended one)?

7) Is it not curious that the US denies contact with Berg, and yet his friends and family insist that he told them he was being held by the US? Huh? Why?

8 ) Another tape oddity - the men SPEAK RUSSIAN for several seconds. Not only that, but they speak Arabic with Russian accents. That&#39;s right, in the final seconds of the tape, one of the men speaks in Russian. Those here who understand russian (and have the stomach to view that final seconds of the video) can verify this. Those who speak Arabic will be able to verify that these men speak Arabic in Russian accents.

9) Finally (the physical evidence that will convince you in case you already aren&#39;t)... You will notice, in watching the video, that 6 times, a gold ring flashes on the hand of the executioner. What is the problem? Islam completely and utterly forbids men to wear gold rings. This fanatical muslim, willing to kill in a gutwrenching manner, and be killed for his beliefs, is violating one of the clear prohibitions of his religion? Really? DOES THIS MAKE SENSE TO YOU?

10) Nick Berg understands Arabic, but sits calmy while statement is read, waiting to be killed. Hmm?

11) One of the executioners is wearing Air Jordans. WHAT?

12) The "terrorists" signed the video, yet they wear hoods and masks. Why?

13) The "terrorists" have lily white hands.

14) The video time is in US Military English. What the hell?

Conclusion
As many has suspected, but have not had the time to build a solid case for, the execution of Nick Berg was performed by coalition interests (most likely independent Russian mercenaries) in order to dwarf the abuse pictures and sway public opinion back against the Iraqis and in support of the war by taking advantage of the emotional reaction we all experience when hearing of such an despicable act. The poor production quality (all the "curiosities" I have pointed out) of this video can be attributed to the haste in which it was made after the order was given to distract the public from the abuse scandal, and is in line with my conclusion.

Number 9 and 11 are especially interesting. We all know terrorists are against western culture. Its pretty much common sense. So why the hell would someone so against western culture be wearing air jordans and showing off their bling bling. Maybe those "terrorists" cruise around in an Escalade with 24 inch spinners while blasting 50 cent out their subs.

And also number 10. If I understood that someone was saying that my head was about to be cut off, I&#39;d run like hell.

[TeMpEsT]

That&#39;s a good counter-debate Todd. Good post.

[Todd]

Oh yeah, not only do the wall colors match (#3) check out the chairs.

Here&#39;s the prisoner abusers. Notice the chair.

[Todd]

Yeah, I know I double posted but only one attachment per post :P Do as I say, not as I do.

Anyways, notice the chair Nick is sitting in. Same type of chair, same wall color. Maybe its a strange coinsidence, but I doubt it.

And did anyone notice how he screamed before they even took out the knife and his mouth wasn&#39;t even open. Someone sucks at using Adobe Premiere. Perhaps the military needs to use iMovie next time, I hear it&#39;s easier to use

Anyways, someone in the US government forgot the 6 P&#39;s. Prior Planning Prevents Piss Poor Performance.

[Omar A]

:o Holy ####. It all makes so much sense. The guy who wrote all the clues is a genius and so is Todd. Thanks for posting that Todd.

[Leslie]

Now that I finally saw the video, it does look fake... especially the part where you hear screaming, but Nick isn&#39;t screaming. It was pretty gruesome though.

[Omar A]

And when the guy picks up the head, theres not blood spilling...

[Ander]

I feel sorry for the guy who wrote that, he probably had to watch that a jillion times :wth:

[Leslie]

Originally posted by Omar A@May 16 2004, 10:49 PM
And when the guy picks up the head, theres not blood spilling...
True, true... that too. It was bloody, but not how I expected it to be. Seems pretty fishy... :wth:

[Phantom Duck]

Originally posted by Leslie+May 17 2004, 05:58 AM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (Leslie @ May 17 2004, 05:58 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> <!--QuoteBegin--Omar A@May 16 2004, 10:49 PM
And when the guy picks up the head, theres not blood spilling...
True, true... that too. It was bloody, but not how I expected it to be. Seems pretty fishy... :wth: [/b][/quote]
Yeah, a cut head usually spills tons of blood.

[J-Flex]

Originally posted by Phantom Duck+May 17 2004, 07:44 AM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (Phantom Duck @ May 17 2004, 07:44 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'>
Originally posted by -Leslie@May 17 2004, 05:58 AM
<!--QuoteBegin--Omar A@May 16 2004, 10:49 PM
And when the guy picks up the head, theres not blood spilling...
True, true... that too. It was bloody, but not how I expected it to be. Seems pretty fishy... :wth:
Yeah, a cut head usually spills tons of blood. [/b][/quote]
blood is pomped from the heart not from the head
full screen it and look at the ground pumping out


Now that I finally saw the video, it does look fake... especially the part where you hear screaming, but Nick isn&#39;t screaming. It was pretty gruesome though.
scream?
didnt you see them tight his throat with a rope? if you didnt see it look better....


i dont think non of these are fake. neither the prisnors nor Berg&#39;s.

[Nikki]

Saw another conspiracy theory while browsing around. It&#39;s HIGHLY GRAPHIC. DO NOT CLICK THIS IF YOU ARE EASILY DISTRESSED

Theory #godknows (http://www.apfn.org/apfn/pow_beheaded.htm)

It&#39;s actually believable.

[Derek The Infamous]

I seriously cannot gather how people think it&#39;s fake. Someone was clearly decapitated, just the person was probably already dead for hours hence the lack of blood. I didn&#39;t watch the video but from what I understand there was no hollywood magic involved here as severed tissue fell out when the executioner held the neck up.

If this is fake, then tell me where the guy is right now.

[ass_kicker]

Originally posted by Derek@May 17 2004, 04:28 PM
If this is fake, then tell me where the guy is right now.
true true. good point right there, derek... what if they still have him and the video was just made to see the reaction?

[J-Flex]

Originally posted by Kat@May 17 2004, 03:28 PM
Saw another conspiracy theory while browsing around. It&#39;s HIGHLY GRAPHIC. DO NOT CLICK THIS IF YOU ARE EASILY DISTRESSED

Theory #godknows (http://www.apfn.org/apfn/pow_beheaded.htm)

It&#39;s actually believable.
i saw it like 10 times
and there is no doubt about it
its hard
american shoot at innocents iraqis or tourter them is hard
every suicid bomber is hard
every israel attack on palestinaians is hard

its all as hard.....weither its a soldier a bomber or a serial killer
its all taking lives,..the way of doing it doesnt matter...neither what they do with the bodies after their death.

we humans are made to kill
and thats a fact. we kill to survive and we kill to reach our goals
we kill to protect others that we love

humans = killing machines

its the hard fact

its useless to blame some side, because we are all from the same parents that were created here on earth,...weither it was Adam and Eve or Jennifer and Steve

[TeMpEsT]

http://www.holocausthumanity.com/forum/ind...hp?showtopic=32 (http://www.holocausthumanity.com/forum/index.php?showtopic=32)

Check that out.

Along with a pair of sneakers, apparently the Iraqi/Taliban/executioners are using a military issue knife brought up by on of the forum readers.

[Phantom Duck]

Originally posted by ass_kicker+May 17 2004, 05:09 PM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (ass_kicker @ May 17 2004, 05:09 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> <!--QuoteBegin--Derek@May 17 2004, 04:28 PM
If this is fake, then tell me where the guy is right now.
true true. good point right there, derek... what if they still have him and the video was just made to see the reaction? [/b][/quote]
D&#39;oh, then you&#39;l never know. Even though i actually believed the video.

[ass_kicker]

Originally posted by Phantom Duck+May 18 2004, 11:54 AM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (Phantom Duck @ May 18 2004, 11:54 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'>
Originally posted by -ass_kicker@May 17 2004, 05:09 PM
<!--QuoteBegin--Derek@May 17 2004, 04:28 PM
If this is fake, then tell me where the guy is right now.
true true. good point right there, derek... what if they still have him and the video was just made to see the reaction?
D&#39;oh, then you&#39;l never know. Even though i actually believed the video. [/b][/quote]
i havent SEEN the video... can i have the link please please please? ^_^

[Omar A]

Originally posted by Derek@May 17 2004, 04:28 PM
If this is fake, then tell me where the guy is right now.
Dead :mellow:


finally, some are speculating that berg was already dead before his head was cut off. this may mor may not be true, no matter who did it. the tape is edited right when the beheading begins, and the timestamps are different, yet you do hear him screaming. a human head holds over a gallon of blood. when a heart is still pumping, the second someones throat was cut that severely, they would literally be spewing blood everywhere. we do not see this in the berg video. just a small amount of blood, on his shirt and the floor. the red carpet may hide some of this. either way, maybe the terrorists did kill him first, or maybe someone else did.

[Karl]

He was found dead before the video was released

[Mark]

Originally posted by Derek@May 17 2004, 01:58 PM
I seriously cannot gather how people think it&#39;s fake. Someone was clearly decapitated, just the person was probably already dead for hours hence the lack of blood. I didn&#39;t watch the video but from what I understand there was no hollywood magic involved here as severed tissue fell out when the executioner held the neck up.

If this is fake, then tell me where the guy is right now.
You can&#39;t say that unless you&#39;ve seen the video.

He was already dead before he was decapitated, apparently from numerous sources. As it has been said, blood would have been spewing everywhere if he had been alive at the time of the beheading. Jugular veins are filled with pressure and blood and when they&#39;re slit, blood spews everywhere. I know first hand because I&#39;ve seen footage of a goalie in hockey get his throat accidentally slit by a skate, it was absolutely crazy, the amount of blood on the ice. The body could&#39;ve been laid in the pool of blood from when they first killed him, maybe through a gunshot.

There was a 10-hour difference in the timestamp between frames, just before and then during the beheading. In these 10 hours, Nick Berg was killed, his heart immediately stopped working, his body went into rigor. Obviously this means no more blood was pumped anywhere else, which affirms the theory of why there wasn&#39;t blood all over the place when they cut off his head. Not to mention the man was wearing jewelery (against muslim beliefs), spoke in botched arabic, and had white palms. Nick Berg was also wearing a US-standard orange prison jumpsuit because he was being held unlawfully by the troops. This was an intimidation tactic towards Berg&#39;s father, who was suing the US govt to let his son go because they had no business arresting him for no reason.

(I&#39;m just repeating everyone else. :P)

[Omar A]

Originally posted by Mark+May 18 2004, 08:50 PM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (Mark @ May 18 2004, 08:50 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> <!--QuoteBegin--Derek@May 17 2004, 01:58 PM
I seriously cannot gather how people think it&#39;s fake. Someone was clearly decapitated, just the person was probably already dead for hours hence the lack of blood. I didn&#39;t watch the video but from what I understand there was no hollywood magic involved here as severed tissue fell out when the executioner held the neck up.

If this is fake, then tell me where the guy is right now.
You can&#39;t say that unless you&#39;ve seen the video.

He was already dead before he was decapitated, apparently from numerous sources. As it has been said, blood would have been spewing everywhere if he had been alive at the time of the beheading. Jugular veins are filled with pressure and blood and when they&#39;re slit, blood spews everywhere. I know first hand because I&#39;ve seen footage of a goalie in hockey get his throat accidentally slit by a skate, it was absolutely crazy, the amount of blood on the ice. The body could&#39;ve been laid in the pool of blood from when they first killed him, maybe through a gunshot.

There was a 10-hour difference in the timestamp between frames, just before and then during the beheading. In these 10 hours, Nick Berg was killed, his heart immediately stopped working, his body went into rigor. Obviously this means no more blood was pumped anywhere else, which affirms the theory of why there wasn&#39;t blood all over the place when they cut off his head. Not to mention the man was wearing jewelery (against muslim beliefs), spoke in botched arabic, and had white palms. Nick Berg was also wearing a US-standard orange prison jumpsuit because he was being held unlawfully by the troops. This was an intimidation tactic towards Berg&#39;s father, who was suing the US govt to let his son go because they had no business arresting him for no reason.

(I&#39;m just repeating everyone else. :P) [/b][/quote]
Exactly what I wanted to say :whistle:

[Will]

I watched the video; but, it isn&#39;t as bad as everyone says it is. You don&#39;t even see any blood. I&#39;ve seen a much worse decapitation video. I&#39;m not saying I enjoyed it, but I&#39;m saying that the one I saw before was much more authentic than this one... almost as if "Berg" was already dead when they cut off his head.

This link was posted earlier in the thread, but if you check this (http://www.holocausthumanity.com/forum/index.php?showtopic=32) out, you can see that this person pointed out a lot of things that most people would overlook. The fact that they do two things that go against Islam (by wearing a gold ring and by wearing sneakers) is a dead giveaway that they&#39;re fake. Also, they&#39;re Russians, and they&#39;re white. And they seem oddly out-of-shape to be terrorists.

[Anthony.]

Stop seeing conspiracies everywhere people.

There was a Canadian citized taken hostage in Iraq because they tought (with no reason) he was an Israeli spy. Those guerillas seem dumb enough to me to decapitate someone. Yes, killing an hostage is dumb cause you get nothing else than more bombs.

Those people can&#39;t see they&#39;re also burying their country in deep ####. If they want the U.S. to leave, they have to stop starting hell everywhere.

[Will]

Originally posted by Avenger@May 18 2004, 04:19 PM
Stop seeing conspiracies everywhere people.
If this was a truly authentic video, they would&#39;ve decapitated Berg while he was still alive. However, since it was staged, they killed him first, with lethal injection no doubt, so that he would die painlessly. The men in the video speak poor Arabic in Russian accents and even slip and speak in Russian a few times. One man is wearing a gold ring and another is wearing sneakers, both of which go against Islamic teachings. They&#39;re also all overweight and out-of-shape. When&#39;s the last time you saw a fat terrorist? Also, they use a military-issue knife to cut his head off. Berg is also placed in a chair similar to the one seen in the prisoner abuse photos. The colors of the walls of the video and the prison are the same as well. Coincidences? I think not.

[TeMpEsT]

If anyone has seen the Daniel Pearl execution video, when the Al-Qaeda decapitate him, blood spews everywhere. The video is cut and edited, but unlike in this video they don&#39;t show the head to the camera. Another difference, the Pentagon urged all internet providers of this video to cease with their sharing. The Pentagon has done nothing with this video, and the Daniel Pearl was less than a week after it was shown.

[J-Flex]

lol
talking about terrorist out of shape
what do you think they need to capture a hostage? muscles?
you think some "i ll be back" figure comes on them?
guns is what counts
and by the way rings could be against islamic teaching but not every moslim does that....but about the blood,..it is possible that they have used some injection. and colours of walls that can not be used as a tracing or a clue to some direction.

[Todd]

Originally posted by J-Flex@May 19 2004, 03:29 AM
lol
talking about terrorist out of shape
what do you think they need to capture a hostage? muscles?
you think some "i ll be back" figure comes on them?
guns is what counts
and by the way rings could be against islamic teaching but not every moslim does that....but about the blood,..it is possible that they have used some injection. and colours of walls that can not be used as a tracing or a clue to some direction.
the terrorists are on the chubby side. When you&#39;re running from your enemy&#39;s troops in the desert without much food to eat, chances are, you&#39;ll be underweight.

[User Name]

Originally posted by TeMpEsT@May 18 2004, 04:15 PM
If anyone has seen the Daniel Pearl execution video, when the Al-Qaeda decapitate him, blood spews everywhere.
Did they cut his head off the same with Nick?

[Suffice]

I watched the video, and its really not that bad at all.. Maybe its just me, i didnt even well think anything really about it being gruesome especially.. But yes it is inhumane. He definitly looks dead, he doesnt move when hes turned over, and hes all floppy and there is hardly any blood. Its fake.

[Dedicated]

Originally posted by Suffice@May 19 2004, 04:31 PM
I watched the video, and its really not that bad at all..
I agree.




And the idea that it may be fake does actually make sense. There is a lot of evidence but I guess it&#39;s not for me to decide.

[Phantom Duck]

Originally posted by Cameron+May 19 2004, 03:26 PM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (Cameron @ May 19 2004, 03:26 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> <!--QuoteBegin--TeMpEsT@May 18 2004, 04:15 PM
If anyone has seen the Daniel Pearl execution video, when the Al-Qaeda decapitate him, blood spews everywhere.
Did they cut his head off the same with Nick? [/b][/quote]
You mean, in the same way?

[Omar A]

Originally posted by J-Flex@May 19 2004, 08:29 AM
and by the way rings could be against islamic teaching but not every moslim does that
Yea but these people are supposed to be muslims. How do you expect a Jihad group (soldiers that die for god) to cross the line with their beliefs.

[Will]

Originally posted by Cameron+May 19 2004, 10:26 AM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (Cameron @ May 19 2004, 10:26 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> <!--QuoteBegin--TeMpEsT@May 18 2004, 04:15 PM
If anyone has seen the Daniel Pearl execution video, when the Al-Qaeda decapitate him, blood spews everywhere.
Did they cut his head off the same with Nick? [/b][/quote]
Yes.

The only difference with the Daniel Pearl video is that he was well and alive. You can hear him gagging and choking and suffocating on his own blood, and the blood pours out of his neck. The Nick Berg video is nothing like that. When they push him over, he just falls over. He doesn&#39;t struggle or anything. He&#39;s completely rigor mortiseseded (new word). Daniel Pearl struggles when he gets decapitated.

[Radical Dreamer]

Originally posted by Will+May 18 2004, 09:45 PM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (Will @ May 18 2004, 09:45 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> <!--QuoteBegin--Avenger@May 18 2004, 04:19 PM
Stop seeing conspiracies everywhere people.
If this was a truly authentic video, they would&#39;ve decapitated Berg while he was still alive. However, since it was staged, they killed him first, with lethal injection no doubt, so that he would die painlessly. The men in the video speak poor Arabic in Russian accents and even slip and speak in Russian a few times. One man is wearing a gold ring and another is wearing sneakers, both of which go against Islamic teachings. They&#39;re also all overweight and out-of-shape. When&#39;s the last time you saw a fat terrorist? Also, they use a military-issue knife to cut his head off. Berg is also placed in a chair similar to the one seen in the prisoner abuse photos. The colors of the walls of the video and the prison are the same as well. Coincidences? I think not. [/b][/quote]
Nick Berg was awfully subdued for someone who&#39;s about to be decapitated. Also, there wasn&#39;t much blood spouting when they started sawing his head, but when the head came off, blood was everywhere. Anyway, although not impossible, I find it kinda strange that radical Muslims would wear gold rings and sneakers. :wth:

[User Name]

Originally posted by Phantom Duck+May 19 2004, 09:38 AM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (Phantom Duck @ May 19 2004, 09:38 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'>
Originally posted by -Cameron@May 19 2004, 03:26 PM
<!--QuoteBegin--TeMpEsT@May 18 2004, 04:15 PM
If anyone has seen the Daniel Pearl execution video, when the Al-Qaeda decapitate him, blood spews everywhere.
Did they cut his head off the same with Nick?
You mean, in the same way? [/b][/quote]
Like, did they cut his head off from the back of the neck or from the front?

[Anthony.]

Originally posted by Will+May 18 2004, 05:45 PM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (Will @ May 18 2004, 05:45 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> <!--QuoteBegin--Avenger@May 18 2004, 04:19 PM
Stop seeing conspiracies everywhere people.
If this was a truly authentic video, they would&#39;ve decapitated Berg while he was still alive. However, since it was staged, they killed him first, with lethal injection no doubt, so that he would die painlessly. The men in the video speak poor Arabic in Russian accents and even slip and speak in Russian a few times. One man is wearing a gold ring and another is wearing sneakers, both of which go against Islamic teachings. They&#39;re also all overweight and out-of-shape. When&#39;s the last time you saw a fat terrorist? Also, they use a military-issue knife to cut his head off. Berg is also placed in a chair similar to the one seen in the prisoner abuse photos. The colors of the walls of the video and the prison are the same as well. Coincidences? I think not. [/b][/quote]
Does Ben Laden look in great shape? No, yet he is the leader of the world&#39;s biggest terrorism network.

Do you speak Arabic? If no, can you swear they have a Russian accent?

Iraq was a country, even under Saddam&#39;s regime, more modern than other Arab countries. They could as well have sneakers and such.

Finally, do you think someone doing such a video would do what you consider "mistakes"? There&#39;s like an impossibility that those facts are errors.

[TeMpEsT]

Originally posted by Will+May 19 2004, 06:48 PM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (Will @ May 19 2004, 06:48 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'>
Originally posted by -Cameron@May 19 2004, 10:26 AM
<!--QuoteBegin--TeMpEsT@May 18 2004, 04:15 PM
If anyone has seen the Daniel Pearl execution video, when the Al-Qaeda decapitate him, blood spews everywhere.
Did they cut his head off the same with Nick?
Yes.

The only difference with the Daniel Pearl video is that he was well and alive. You can hear him gagging and choking and suffocating on his own blood, and the blood pours out of his neck. The Nick Berg video is nothing like that. When they push him over, he just falls over. He doesn&#39;t struggle or anything. He&#39;s completely rigor mortiseseded (new word). Daniel Pearl struggles when he gets decapitated. [/b][/quote]
Another thing was that the terrorists in the Pearl video didn&#39;t give any speech before executing him, yet Pearl did. He talked about America&#39;s foreign policy, and why we should stop what we were doing, apparently pressured by the terrorists to do so in order to make a point on the issue. Nick Berg said nothing of the sort, yet only spoke of his family and his origin. Shortly after Nick Berg&#39;s words, the terrorists begin to speak.

About the terrorists wearing shoes: They&#39;re terrorists, who hate Western culture, who apparently want to seek revenge on the prisoner abuse in Iraq against America, and they&#39;re wearing American tennis shoes?

Another thing, wearing rings wouldn&#39;t be the "Muslim" thing to do if they&#39;re trying to support their God and start a Jihad.

[Whimsicality]

On one hand, all of the evidence suggesting the execution was staged makes perfect sense.

On another hand, if the military was to release a fake video, would it really be this sloppy? I think not.

So goddamned confusing.

I hate the world.

[Omar A]

Does Ben Laden look in great shape? No, yet he is the leader of the world&#39;s biggest terrorism network.

Thats the point&#33;&#33; Bin Laden is really skinny but the men in the bergs video were fat.


Do you speak Arabic? If no, can you swear they have a Russian accent?

I&#39;m an Iraqi and can speak arabic, so I can clarify that the man in the video did have an accent.


Finally, do you think someone doing such a video would do what you consider "mistakes"? There&#39;s like an impossibility that those facts are errors.

People #### up. I guess they rushed it.


Iraq was a country, even under Saddam&#39;s regime, more modern than other Arab countries. They could as well have sneakers and such.

Would you wear shoes that is made by your worst enemy? I think not.

[Phantom Duck]

Originally posted by Cameron+May 19 2004, 10:57 PM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (Cameron @ May 19 2004, 10:57 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'>
Originally posted by -Phantom Duck@May 19 2004, 09:38 AM

Originally posted by -Cameron@May 19 2004, 03:26 PM
<!--QuoteBegin--TeMpEsT@May 18 2004, 04:15 PM
If anyone has seen the Daniel Pearl execution video, when the Al-Qaeda decapitate him, blood spews everywhere.
Did they cut his head off the same with Nick?
You mean, in the same way?
Like, did they cut his head off from the back of the neck or from the front? [/b][/quote]
Couldn&#39;t see, most channels didn&#39;t show it and when they did, it was blurred. I have the impression that the Arab put the knife on the right side of his neck and started cutting towards the left side.

[Omar A]

Like, did they cut his head off from the back of the neck or from the front?

I think they stap in from the left and than start cutting to the front. :mellow:

[Derek The Infamous]

Originally posted by Omar A@May 20 2004, 11:02 AM

Like, did they cut his head off from the back of the neck or from the front?

I think they stap in from the left and than start cutting to the front. :mellow:
If they started cutting from the front then there is no reason for blood to not have splattered all over the place. Most of the arteries in your neck are close to the front, so if it gets severed there is absolutely no reason it shouldn&#39;t start spouting blood.

Unless, of course like many people figured, Nick Berg was dead at least ten hours prior to the decapitation.

[Phantom Duck]

Originally posted by Derek+May 20 2004, 05:18 PM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (Derek @ May 20 2004, 05:18 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> <!--QuoteBegin--Omar A@May 20 2004, 11:02 AM

Like, did they cut his head off from the back of the neck or from the front?

I think they stap in from the left and than start cutting to the front. :mellow:
If they started cutting from the front then there is no reason for blood to not have splattered all over the place. Most of the arteries in your neck are close to the front, so if it gets severed there is absolutely no reason it shouldn&#39;t start spouting blood.

Unless, of course like many people figured, Nick Berg was dead at least ten hours prior to the decapitation. [/b][/quote]
Negative, he was blinking when the Arab was making that speech.

[Omar A]

Yea what we&#39;re saying is that when they tip him over, they stop recording and than killed him with an injection or something and than record again and slit his throat.

am I right? :mellow:

[Will]

Originally posted by Phantom Duck+May 20 2004, 12:40 PM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (Phantom Duck @ May 20 2004, 12:40 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'>
Originally posted by -Derek@May 20 2004, 05:18 PM
<!--QuoteBegin--Omar A@May 20 2004, 11:02 AM

Like, did they cut his head off from the back of the neck or from the front?

I think they stap in from the left and than start cutting to the front. :mellow:
If they started cutting from the front then there is no reason for blood to not have splattered all over the place. Most of the arteries in your neck are close to the front, so if it gets severed there is absolutely no reason it shouldn&#39;t start spouting blood.

Unless, of course like many people figured, Nick Berg was dead at least ten hours prior to the decapitation.
Negative, he was blinking when the Arab was making that speech. [/b][/quote]
I didn&#39;t see him blinking.

[Instru-Mental]

ok, seriously, with all the rumors and speculations of this video, the fact is he was beheaded and had his head dangled in front of a camera, no matter what the situation, thats wrong and sick, with that being said, our treatment of the iraqi&#39;s isnt much better, to Derek, we did in fact kill a few citizens, on a news broadcast on CBC (canadian channel) they have a video of american soldies in some sort of aircraft machinegunning down citizens for the hell of it. Nick Berg didnt deserve what happened to him but neither did those Iraqi&#39;s who were shot down or humiliated, a lot of the soldiers working under Osama arent doing it because they want to, but because they have no other choice, its either lose their culture and land to the Americans or fight with whatever power they have left, the Americans arent saving ****, anyone to blind to see this shouldnt be posting about this incident, this "war" is nothing but a useless and unnecessary assault on Iraq, we got Sadam, so they should just leave Iraq now, its not their country to dictate, its theirs, Osama never once tried kicking out Americans out of America so what right does America have to kick out the Iraqi&#39;s?
[Rant finished]

[Omar A]

Originally posted by Instru-Mental@May 20 2004, 09:55 PM
ok, seriously, with all the rumors and speculations of this video, the fact is he was beheaded and had his head dangled in front of a camera, no matter what the situation, thats wrong and sick, with that being said, our treatment of the iraqi&#39;s isnt much better, to Derek, we did in fact kill a few citizens, on a news broadcast on CBC (canadian channel) they have a video of american soldies in some sort of aircraft machinegunning down citizens for the hell of it. Nick Berg didnt deserve what happened to him but neither did those Iraqi&#39;s who were shot down or humiliated, a lot of the soldiers working under Osama arent doing it because they want to, but because they have no other choice, its either lose their culture and land to the Americans or fight with whatever power they have left, the Americans arent saving ****, anyone to blind to see this shouldnt be posting about this incident, this "war" is nothing but a useless and unnecessary assault on Iraq, we got Sadam, so they should just leave Iraq now, its not their country to dictate, its theirs, Osama never once tried kicking out Americans out of America so what right does America have to kick out the Iraqi&#39;s?
[Rant finished]
i like you already :)

[Instru-Mental]

im confused about some of the speculations of this Video though...am I the only one who has seen it with sound? hes screaming and choking and hes obviously not dead while they are saying the speech as he is moving and shifting around, then when the camera cuts you can see his face in a close up squinting hard, i also notice the shoes but not a gold ring, the video footage is to foggy to tell if they are wearing any kind of rings, and if they were russian, maybe theyre just russian immigrants to Iraq, and we all know how russians feel about the U.S.A so i could say they would fight for Osama&#39;s cause, the footage i believe to be real, which is unfortunate because it really is a horrible way for Nick Berg&#39;s family to lose a loved one, the message Blood For Blood is true, not morally right, as long as iraqi blood is spilt unjustly then American Blood will as well, and it wont end until America leaves.

p.s thanks Omar B) lol

[User Name]

Originally posted by Derek+May 20 2004, 09:18 AM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (Derek @ May 20 2004, 09:18 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> <!--QuoteBegin--Omar A@May 20 2004, 11:02 AM

Like, did they cut his head off from the back of the neck or from the front?

I think they stap in from the left and than start cutting to the front. :mellow:
If they started cutting from the front then there is no reason for blood to not have splattered all over the place. Most of the arteries in your neck are close to the front, so if it gets severed there is absolutely no reason it shouldn&#39;t start spouting blood.

Unless, of course like many people figured, Nick Berg was dead at least ten hours prior to the decapitation. [/b][/quote]
That was just what I needed, thanks Derek.

In the Berg video, they started cutting (more like sawing) from the back of his neck. They severed the spinal cord (as well as any nerves) in the process, so no connection to the brain means that the heart would have stopped beating, thus, explaining why blood was not spurting out.

I probably worded it wrong, but hopefully you&#39;ll see what I&#39;m trying to get at.

[Faint.09]

Originally posted by FRGT/1088@May 15 2004, 05:38 AM
I think its disgusting and inhumane, i saw both the video and stills from it. After i saw it i just felt so weird, i got real creeped out by that video.
Yeah...it just shows what the world is capable of now-a-days. It was very uncalled for and horrible. To see what humans can do to each other now just sickens me to my stomach. My condolonces go to the victim&#39;s family.. :(

[LornVourkolakas]

I could of sworn I saw that dude squirming when they were cutting his head off. =&#092;

[Neil]

I&#39;m talking to a friend of mine about it now, he brings up a good point. He thinks that the terrorist was a moron, and screwed up the camera the first time through. So they end up with a dead Nick Berg and no good footage. They did it again. Explains the timestamps - they used good parts from the other video.

[Jila]

someone in my english class brought that up and my teacher started talking about it and got all emo and started crying.

i almost laughed because i act all weird during awkward situations. i smile when im uncomfortable so i was covering my face with my hand. i didnt wanna be mean, plus i woulve felt stupid if i just burst out laughing. i was trying to keep it in.

[TeMpEsT]

Originally posted by Cameron+May 21 2004, 01:31 AM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (Cameron @ May 21 2004, 01:31 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'>
Originally posted by -Derek@May 20 2004, 09:18 AM
<!--QuoteBegin--Omar A@May 20 2004, 11:02 AM

Like, did they cut his head off from the back of the neck or from the front?

I think they stap in from the left and than start cutting to the front. :mellow:
If they started cutting from the front then there is no reason for blood to not have splattered all over the place. Most of the arteries in your neck are close to the front, so if it gets severed there is absolutely no reason it shouldn&#39;t start spouting blood.

Unless, of course like many people figured, Nick Berg was dead at least ten hours prior to the decapitation.
That was just what I needed, thanks Derek.

In the Berg video, they started cutting (more like sawing) from the back of his neck. They severed the spinal cord (as well as any nerves) in the process, so no connection to the brain means that the heart would have stopped beating, thus, explaining why blood was not spurting out.

I probably worded it wrong, but hopefully you&#39;ll see what I&#39;m trying to get at. [/b][/quote]
So does that explain since his spine was severed, he was still able to scream and wail while they continued to decapitate him? If the heart stopped beating, and no nervous system signals were being transferred to the brain, can he still scream?

[Phantom Duck]

No.

[Neil]

How do you know it was him screaming...

[TeMpEsT]

Originally posted by Neil@May 25 2004, 01:08 PM
How do you know it was him screaming...
That&#39;s what I&#39;m saying...

[Mechanical Christ]

I&#39;d rather not watch it, thank you. I don&#39;t get excited watching blood splatter all over the place, and seeing someone&#39;s head fall clean off their neck.
I dont know how anyone can see that and feel normal afterwards.

I can, Because I&#39;m Negative.


i almost laughed because i act all weird during awkward situations. i smile when im uncomfortable so i was covering my face with my hand. i didnt wanna be mean, plus i woulve felt stupid if i just burst out laughing. i was trying to keep it in.

me too :lol: i saw an olympic diver jump, somersault, hit his head on the board and i burst out laughing and my mum started scolding me. But hey, my dad was smiling a bit.

Don&#39;t these stupid Americans get it?&#33; Leave your soldiers in your country and everything will be fine. Both sides should just KEEP TO THEIR OWN SPACE.

[Kæton]

Originally posted by UndeadSpectre@May 30 2004, 01:54 AM

Don&#39;t these stupid Americans get it?&#33; Leave your soldiers in your country and everything will be fine. Both sides should just KEEP TO THEIR OWN SPACE.
If America did nothing after 9/11... then... it&#39;d kind of be like saying, "Please continue attacking us, we want to die, we want you to kill us," even though the U.S. has been fault of attacks in the past, it&#39;s human instinct to fight back when threatened to a point. If someone had slapped you across the face or punched you to make you bleed, I&#39;m sure you&#39;d be upset and take some type of action; human instinct.

Humans shouldn&#39;t have rights to attack without warning, even though it&#39;s "generic," it&#39;s unfair to be attacked out of the blue. Can&#39;t expect that to be shrugged off when thousands die.

[Mark]

Originally posted by Keaton+May 30 2004, 10:16 AM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (Keaton @ May 30 2004, 10:16 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> <!--QuoteBegin--UndeadSpectre@May 30 2004, 01:54 AM

Don&#39;t these stupid Americans get it?&#33; Leave your soldiers in your country and everything will be fine. Both sides should just KEEP TO THEIR OWN SPACE.
If America did nothing after 9/11... then... it&#39;d kind of be like saying, "Please continue attacking us, we want to die, we want you to kill us," even though the U.S. has been fault of attacks in the past, it&#39;s human instinct to fight back when threatened to a point. If someone had slapped you across the face or punched you to make you bleed, I&#39;m sure you&#39;d be upset and take some type of action; human instinct.

Humans shouldn&#39;t have rights to attack without warning, even though it&#39;s "generic," it&#39;s unfair to be attacked out of the blue. Can&#39;t expect that to be shrugged off when thousands die. [/b][/quote]
Yeah, but wasn&#39;t that what the Afghanistan war was about?

[Todd]

Originally posted by Keaton+May 30 2004, 07:46 AM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (Keaton @ May 30 2004, 07:46 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> <!--QuoteBegin--UndeadSpectre@May 30 2004, 01:54 AM

Don&#39;t these stupid Americans get it?&#33; Leave your soldiers in your country and everything will be fine. Both sides should just KEEP TO THEIR OWN SPACE.
If America did nothing after 9/11... then... it&#39;d kind of be like saying, "Please continue attacking us, we want to die, we want you to kill us," even though the U.S. has been fault of attacks in the past, it&#39;s human instinct to fight back when threatened to a point. If someone had slapped you across the face or punched you to make you bleed, I&#39;m sure you&#39;d be upset and take some type of action; human instinct.

Humans shouldn&#39;t have rights to attack without warning, even though it&#39;s "generic," it&#39;s unfair to be attacked out of the blue. Can&#39;t expect that to be shrugged off when thousands die. [/b][/quote]
Right, and thats why I support the Afghan war to some extent. We needed to fight back.

But Berg died in Iraq. UndeadSpectre was talking about the Iraqi war. I don&#39;t support this one. Iraq never attacked us, they were never really a threat. There are citizens of the US living here that are more of a threat than Iraq ever was. Are we gonna start bombing ourselves? Oil and finishing up daddy&#39;s unfinished job was the only reason bush went to war.