Discipline

[Trish]

On television a few nights ago, there was a part on the news on 'smacking' your kids.
There was one 15 year old girl who was taking her father to court for child abuse. He hit this girl across the face and accidently made her nose bleed.
The father said that she deserved it because she was nagging him for money and to get a lift somewhere. He said that she was complaining so much and it was getting irritating, so he just turned around and slapped her.
The daughter said that she was bleeding from her nose and no matter what happened, he should never have hit her. She says she doesn't care about her dad and she wants to take him to court. And she is.

They also went on about how parents shouldn't discipline their children in the form of smacking, or anything physical, they say that it has no effect on the children and they just grow more scared of their parents and end up having a bad relationship.

I definitley disagree. Parents should be able to smack their children if they are in the wrong. I was, and nothings wrong with me. I learnt from my mistakes and before doing something wrong, I always thought of the consequnces.
Children go wild and end up really feral when they have no discipline and get what they want. None of my friends were smacked, and they are horrible. They nag their parents, they don't hold a conversation with them and they have terrible social skills. They don't know how to treat other people properly.

Do you think that parents should be able to smack their kids?
Were you smacked?

What are your opinions?

[Derek The Infamous]

I was never outright struck by my parents so I can't exactly agree with physical discipline. I was simply brought up to be a gentleman and I was told that I should always respect my elders in the form of "yes sir", "no maam" and the like.

[Andrea]

I am a firm believer on not hitting your kids. I get really angry when I see it happen. My brother got hit a lot by my dad in the past and that's had a lasting affect on my brother and I. Witnessing it made me sick. I hate it when parents hit their kids. It's not right at all. It will just make everything worse, IMO.

I haven't been hit by my parents and I think they know not to because of the whole situation with my brother. Plus, I'll fight back. :whistle:

[LornVourkolakas]

I agree with it. Not to the extent of getting a belt or something and hit them. Only to the extent of smacking them across the head once or something.

When I was little, I always had a problem putting on my seatbelt. One day, my mom kept nagging and threatening em. "If you don't put on your seatbelt.. blah blah blah." I kept being stubborn so she stopped the car and hit me once really hard. Every since, I always put on my seatbelt. It's sort of engraved in my head to do so.

[Neil]

Why would you take your own father to court? What are you going to do, sue him :lol:.

But seriously, as long as he didn't beat her with a bat, and it caused no longterm damage, I see no reason why he couldn't slap her. And then she gets whinier and takes him to court... She has some issues. Face it, she's a whiny 15 year-old who got slapped for whining, then whined in court.

If my daughter took me to court, I'd kick her out of the house.

[Debus]

In the past my Mum has slapped me round the face and stuff like that when she got p!ssed off at me and i hated it. I really felt like slapping her right back because it drove me mad. I disagree with it. I don't see how hitting your children can discipline them. They will just be in fear of you and what you will do to them next time you do something wrong. The idea is to teach your children discipline, not to scare them into it.

[Will]

"If you love your kids, love them enough to beat them so that they don't grow up to be idiots."

- Maddox

http://maddox.xmission.com/beat.html

[Derek The Infamous]

Originally posted by Will@May 8 2004, 11:56 AM
"If you love your kids, love them enough to beat them so that they don't grow up to be idiots."

- Maddox

http://maddox.xmission.com/beat.html
Maddox is cool and all but you can't tell me you actually agree with that article. Hitting your kids is bullsh*t and I'd much rather give my child verbal abuse then crack them upside the head so hard they're left stunned.

If anything I believe excessive abuse leads to the kids who have strenous relationships with thier parents. Let me smack you all upside the head really hard next time you do something wrong, and then you can tell me if it really made you think twice about doing it again. I doubt it will.

[Will]

Originally posted by Derek+May 8 2004, 01:29 PM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (Derek @ May 8 2004, 01:29 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> <!--QuoteBegin--Will@May 8 2004, 11:56 AM
"If you love your kids, love them enough to beat them so that they don&#39;t grow up to be idiots."

- Maddox

http://maddox.xmission.com/beat.html
Maddox is cool and all but you can&#39;t tell me you actually agree with that article. Hitting your kids is bullsh*t and I&#39;d much rather give my child verbal abuse then crack them upside the head so hard they&#39;re left stunned.

If anything I believe excessive abuse leads to the kids who have strenous relationships with thier parents. Let me smack you all upside the head really hard next time you do something wrong, and then you can tell me if it really made you think twice about doing it again. I doubt it will. [/b][/quote]
A kid would have to have the IQ of a table not to understand that, if you do something wrong, you get hit. Seriously.

[Blaze]

i belive in spanking for little kids but for older kids..i&#39;m not sure :mellow: i&#39;ve been slapped upside the head but that was just to get my attenion or whatever, nothing serious.... :mellow:

[LornVourkolakas]

Originally posted by Will@May 8 2004, 04:56 PM
"If you love your kids, love them enough to beat them so that they don&#39;t grow up to be idiots."

- Maddox

http://maddox.xmission.com/beat.html
I agree with perhaps that smack but using other things and kicks? Eh, no.

You just want to hit them enough so they know never to do that again. You don&#39;t want to hit them to an extent that they fear you even when they are not doing anything bad. =&#092;

Like Maddox said. There&#39;s a different between discipline and child abuse.

[The Doctor]

Not everything deserves hitting. A lot of parents hit their kids because it "makes them feel better." Someone that it very close to me and I love so much is constantly abused by their parents and doesnt deserve it. They do it because theyre insecure with themselves and they do it to satisfy their own sick pride. Its gotten so bad to the point where they are literally afraid of their parents and it is extremely damaging. So no, that article is wrong, the parents are wrong. Abuse is simply abuse and no one deserves it.

[Leslie]

Originally posted by LornVourkolakas+May 8 2004, 11:36 AM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (LornVourkolakas @ May 8 2004, 11:36 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> <!--QuoteBegin--Will@May 8 2004, 04:56 PM
"If you love your kids, love them enough to beat them so that they don&#39;t grow up to be idiots."

- Maddox

http://maddox.xmission.com/beat.html
I agree with perhaps that smack but using other things and kicks? Eh, no.

You just want to hit them enough so they know never to do that again. You don&#39;t want to hit them to an extent that they fear you even when they are not doing anything bad. =&#092;

Like Maddox said. There&#39;s a different between discipline and child abuse. [/b][/quote]
I totally agree with that. My mom spanked me a couple of times when I was acting like a sh*t head, but nothing that hurt me seriously or scarred me for life. I have noticed that my cousins who aren&#39;t disciplined do not respect their parents and run around acting like fools. Spanking your kids when they are out of control is okay, but just hitting them cause they piss you off is wrong.

[Derek The Infamous]

Originally posted by Will+May 8 2004, 01:33 PM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (Will @ May 8 2004, 01:33 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'>
Originally posted by -Derek@May 8 2004, 01:29 PM
<!--QuoteBegin--Will@May 8 2004, 11:56 AM
"If you love your kids, love them enough to beat them so that they don&#39;t grow up to be idiots."

- Maddox

http://maddox.xmission.com/beat.html
Maddox is cool and all but you can&#39;t tell me you actually agree with that article. Hitting your kids is bullsh*t and I&#39;d much rather give my child verbal abuse then crack them upside the head so hard they&#39;re left stunned.

If anything I believe excessive abuse leads to the kids who have strenous relationships with thier parents. Let me smack you all upside the head really hard next time you do something wrong, and then you can tell me if it really made you think twice about doing it again. I doubt it will.
A kid would have to have the IQ of a table not to understand that, if you do something wrong, you get hit. Seriously. [/b][/quote]
I can tell how your parents treated you then. I got spanked maybe once in my childhood that I can remember and I grew up to be one of the most mature, well-mannered and professional kids you could ever meet, even without getting the sh*t beat out of me on a constant basis. While I may act clowny online, see me around an adult and I am a completely different person.

Maddox apparentely got the sh*t beat out of him as a kid and it made him grow up to be a guy who lives to piss people off. Wow, I guess his parents discipline really helped him out there didn&#39;t it?

[Messy Marj]

Originally posted by LornVourkolakas@May 8 2004, 06:36 PM
You just want to hit them enough so they know never to do that again. You don&#39;t want to hit them to an extent that they fear you even when they are not doing anything bad. =&#092;

Like Maddox said. There&#39;s a different between discipline and child abuse.
I agree with you.

Yes, sometimes i&#39;m getting hit.
A while ago my father went very very angry on my sis and me. He keeped hitting my sis and i couldn&#39;t do anything so i jumped between them and screamed that he had to stop, he was totally out of control. So he grabbed me and throwed me on the floor. Then my mom came in and screamed too, it was very very scary, then he breaked my beautiful lamp and wanted to hit my sis with that piece of wood from the lamp, but luckily my other sis stopped him.
I don&#39;t want to know what was happened if we were all alone at that moment.

[Derek The Infamous]

Originally posted by ghost child+May 8 2004, 01:55 PM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (ghost child @ May 8 2004, 01:55 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> <!--QuoteBegin--LornVourkolakas@May 8 2004, 06:36 PM
You just want to hit them enough so they know never to do that again. You don&#39;t want to hit them to an extent that they fear you even when they are not doing anything bad. =&#092;

Like Maddox said. There&#39;s a different between discipline and child abuse.
I agree with you.

Yes, sometimes i&#39;m getting hit.
A while ago my father went very very angry on my sis and me. He keeped hitting my sis and i couldn&#39;t do anything so i jumped between them and screamed that he had to stop, he was totally out of control. So he grabbed me and throwed me on the floor. Then my mom came in and screamed too, it was very very scary, then he breaked my beautiful lamp and wanted to hit my sis with that piece of wood from the lamp, but luckily my other sis stopped him.
I don&#39;t want to know what was happened if we were all alone at that moment. [/b][/quote]
Yeah and tell that to the people who think hitting kids is okay. Yeah that&#39;s right, you people make me f*cking sick and I dont care if some of you are my friends. I&#39;ve heard stories of some parents almost f*cking killing thier kids and then you guys go around saying hitting your kids to train them is okay.

Yeah I can tell this thread is going to end ugly because this is a very deep issue to me and Nate.

[Blaze]

Originally posted by Leslie+May 8 2004, 12:42 PM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (Leslie @ May 8 2004, 12:42 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'>
Originally posted by -LornVourkolakas@May 8 2004, 11:36 AM
<!--QuoteBegin--Will@May 8 2004, 04:56 PM
"If you love your kids, love them enough to beat them so that they don&#39;t grow up to be idiots."

- Maddox

http://maddox.xmission.com/beat.html
I agree with perhaps that smack but using other things and kicks? Eh, no.

You just want to hit them enough so they know never to do that again. You don&#39;t want to hit them to an extent that they fear you even when they are not doing anything bad. =&#092;

Like Maddox said. There&#39;s a different between discipline and child abuse.
I totally agree with that. My mom spanked me a couple of times when I was acting like a sh*t head, but nothing that hurt me seriously or scarred me for life. I have noticed that my cousins who aren&#39;t disciplined do not respect their parents and run around acting like fools. Spanking your kids when they are out of control is okay, but just hitting them cause they piss you off is wrong. [/b][/quote]
that pretty much sums up my idea ^_^

[Will]

We&#39;re not talking about child abuse, Derek. If you&#39;d learn to read, this is about disciplining your kids. Hitting them to discipline them is just fine. Maddox was exagerrating all the other parts in his article and if you took any of it seriously, you are a sad person.

-edit-
Oh, and good job assuming I was beat ritualistically. :rolleyes: I was only hit maybe five times. And you know what? I learned not to do what I did again because of it. When my parents scolded me with words, they didn&#39;t do a thing. I did whatever it was I did again. When they hit me, I learned that what I did was wrong so I stopped doing it. Again, way to go assuming that I was beat every waking moment of the day. :rolleyes:

-edit2-
Again, if any of you take anything Maddox says seriously, you need to get out more. His entire site is devoted to his opinions and his opinions only (which are almost always right). Aside from the seriousness, the rest of the site is exagerrated for humor and it shouldn&#39;t be taken seriously: SUCH AS THE OTHER METHODS OF "DISCIPLINING" YOUR KIDS. To say he was treated poorly as a child just because you don&#39;t agree with him is very ignorant.

[tkd_rap]

Spanking kids is a good thing, very early on before really bad and rebelious traits start to work there way in. I dont believe in hitting your kid across the face, defiantely not at a teenage age. You should have disiplend them enough and hopefully taught them how to behave before their teenage years; so when they are teens i would say hitting is out, more along the lines of harsh restrictions depending on how bad the wrong deed was. I was spanked and disiplened right when i was young, because every time i was gonna yell back to my parents or do something wrong, i always thought, *If i do, i am gonna get spanked hard, and it&#39;s gonna hurt real bad&#33;* so i wouldnt do alot, becuase i new what was comming; and that made me not want to do it.

When parents use "Timeouts" i think thats useless, becuase if i am a kid about to do something, and i know if i get caught that my punishment is simply a "timeout", and I wont feel pain, most of the time the crime is worth it for a few minutes of silence

[Derek The Infamous]

I just don&#39;t see the need to hit your kids at all. *Shrugs* I&#39;m sorry, but thats my views on it Will.

[Glenn]

I don&#39;t know how to respond to this. Like Will said, it probably would be the best way to teach a lesson, but if the rule was accepted, then we might not be able to tell if someone was raped or just smacked. We wouldn&#39;t be able to judge the extreme of the situation and instead of justice, there would be ignorance.

I was never hit and I came out fine...I think.

[TeMpEsT]

Originally posted by Will@May 8 2004, 04:56 PM
"If you love your kids, love them enough to beat them so that they don&#39;t grow up to be idiots."

- Maddox

http://maddox.xmission.com/beat.html
DAMNIT I WAS GOING TO LINK THAT&#33;
Yeah, I sent that article to my father&#39;s email at work. He came home and punched me in the gut. (We got a kick out of that) I printed it out and stuck it on the refridgerator and my mother read it as well.

I was "disciplined" a lot. I used to just take a few spankings when I was a child, then when I started middle school my parents would smack me everytime I talked back.

[Whimsicality]

I am very against parents hitting their children. Some kids turn out fine (like the thread starter) but I think the bad outweighs the good.


For one thing, where do you draw the line between disepline and abuse? It gets blurry, and abusers will exploit it.

Second, it hitting is violence, plain and simple. We don&#39;t need to encourage violence in the world.


Edit: Just an opinion here...don&#39;t want to start any fights.

[LornVourkolakas]

Originally posted by Derek@May 8 2004, 06:59 PM
Yeah and tell that to the people who think hitting kids is okay. Yeah that&#39;s right, you people make me f*cking sick and I dont care if some of you are my friends. I&#39;ve heard stories of some parents almost f*cking killing thier kids and then you guys go around saying hitting your kids to train them is okay.

Yeah I can tell this thread is going to end ugly because this is a very deep issue to me and Nate.
I don&#39;t think hitting your kids to the point of death is right but hitting them once is okay by my book. Grounding is nothing nowadays. Kids think "Oh, I&#39;m just gonna get grounded if I do this. Who cares?". But if a kid knows they&#39;d get a smack across the face if they do something stupid, they&#39;d more likely think twice.

The reason you don&#39;t accept this type of discipline is because you keep focussing on the times parents overdo it and actually go to a point were they would hit their kids for the heck of it. You have to see that some parents actually know how to do it right. =&#092;

[Alacrity]

Originally posted by LornVourkolakas+May 8 2004, 07:43 PM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (LornVourkolakas @ May 8 2004, 07:43 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> <!--QuoteBegin--Derek@May 8 2004, 06:59 PM
Yeah and tell that to the people who think hitting kids is okay. Yeah that&#39;s right, you people make me f*cking sick and I dont care if some of you are my friends. I&#39;ve heard stories of some parents almost f*cking killing thier kids and then you guys go around saying hitting your kids to train them is okay.

Yeah I can tell this thread is going to end ugly because this is a very deep issue to me and Nate.
I don&#39;t think hitting your kids to the point of death is right but hitting them once is okay by my book. Grounding is nothing nowadays. Kids think "Oh, I&#39;m just gonna get grounded if I do this. Who cares?". But if a kid knows they&#39;d get a smack across the face if they do something stupid, they&#39;d more likely think twice.

The reason you don&#39;t accept this type of discipline is because you keep focussing on the times parents overdo it and actually go to a point were they would hit their kids for the heck of it. You have to see that some parents actually know how to do it right. =&#092; [/b][/quote]
Exactly. I agree with what you said.

[Jila]

i dont think physical abuse is a good way to discipline your child. my parents (especially my dad) would hit me. my mom wouldnt so much only when she was really pissed off and bitchy. my dad on the other hand is out of control. me f*cking be me up a few times for having a C in one class on progress reports and such. he used to hit me in the face for putting my elbow on the table when i eat or if a slam my door when im angry. i used to take it in when i was little but now i dont really care. when my moms hitting me for some stupid reason i hit her back, my dad would crush me if i did that to him because hes so much stronger than me but i have this urge to shoot him in the face.

i talk back and i dont really respect them. i dont see how hitting you child helps you discipline them. i was scared of my parents for the longest time and now i just hate them with a passion. once im old enough to move out i wouldnt even give them a phone call. i really wouldnt want my kid to be like that with me.

[Kaleb.09]

my father only beat the crap out of me once, I remeber I was seventeen and I came home late from school and my mom was in hospital,he asked where I was and I told him that my coach tod me to stay in for an extra hour for swimming , he didnt really by that and started beating 10 types of sh** out of me , althought it hurt the most hurtfull thing was later on he gave me a hug and acted like nothing had happen. my old man was really stingy with money I remember for my 18th birthday he gave me a set of office pens which he always got free. now as much as I wanted to love my father the worst part is that if he dies Im not ganna shed a tear for him . Ive not spoken to my dad in 5 yrs and , as for disapline Im against it . however I do think that the youth of today (England specifficly ) need to learn disapline, and get tought to respect there olders.

[LornVourkolakas]

Originally posted by PyRoMaNiaK@May 9 2004, 12:16 AM
i dont think physical abuse is a good way to discipline your child. my parents (especially my dad) would hit me. my mom wouldnt so much only when she was really pissed off and bitchy. my dad on the other hand is out of control. me f*cking be me up a few times for having a C in one class on progress reports and such. he used to hit me in the face for putting my elbow on the table when i eat or if a slam my door when im angry. i used to take it in when i was little but now i dont really care. when my moms hitting me for some stupid reason i hit her back, my dad would crush me if i did that to him because hes so much stronger than me but i have this urge to shoot him in the face.

i talk back and i dont really respect them. i dont see how hitting you child helps you discipline them. i was scared of my parents for the longest time and now i just hate them with a passion. once im old enough to move out i wouldnt even give them a phone call. i really wouldnt want my kid to be like that with me.
That&#39;s cause your dad disciplined you for stupid reasons. I mean, you put your elbows on the table and he hit you? That&#39;s just taking it too far.

Now, if he hit you because you came home around 3 am. Understood. Or if you disrespected/threatened them, yeah.

It&#39;s cases like yours that turn discipline to abuse.

[Jila]

Originally posted by LornVourkolakas+May 8 2004, 04:34 PM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (LornVourkolakas @ May 8 2004, 04:34 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> <!--QuoteBegin--PyRoMaNiaK@May 9 2004, 12:16 AM
i dont think physical abuse is a good way to discipline your child. my parents (especially my dad) would hit me. my mom wouldnt so much only when she was really pissed off and bitchy. my dad on the other hand is out of control. me f*cking be me up a few times for having a C in one class on progress reports and such. he used to hit me in the face for putting my elbow on the table when i eat or if a slam my door when im angry. i used to take it in when i was little but now i dont really care. when my moms hitting me for some stupid reason i hit her back, my dad would crush me if i did that to him because hes so much stronger than me but i have this urge to shoot him in the face.

i talk back and i dont really respect them. i dont see how hitting you child helps you discipline them. i was scared of my parents for the longest time and now i just hate them with a passion. once im old enough to move out i wouldnt even give them a phone call. i really wouldnt want my kid to be like that with me.
That&#39;s cause your dad disciplined you for stupid reasons. I mean, you put your elbows on the table and he hit you? That&#39;s just taking it too far.

Now, if he hit you because you came home around 3 am. Understood. Or if you disrespected/threatened them, yeah.

It&#39;s cases like yours that turn discipline to abuse. [/b][/quote]
he used to hit me because i didnt say hi to him everytime i saw him. so i just decided to ignore him as much as i can and i dont talk to him much and now he does hit me because he knows i dont care anymore. he gets pissed off and yells a lot for little things still, but id much rather have it where i dont talk to him or give him respect at all than if he even smacks me one more time.

[Eilonwy]

I think that hitting children for disciplinary reasons is perfectly fine, as long as you don&#39;t over-do it. When I was little, I used to get poppings, and usually they sent the message across pretty effectively. I only remember getting real spankings a few times, and when I got them they were for good reasons.

People need discipline, plain and simple. And I simply don&#39;t think that when you ask a kid in a nice way to stop doing what they were doing that they are going to think you mean what you say. My mom, for instance, didn&#39;t like to whip us, but my dad didn&#39;t mind it quite as much. Guess who my siblings and I respect more? My dad. We know that he means what he says.

I think that a big problem in the world today is lack of discipline. I look at some of the kids at my school and see how disrespectful and rude they are, and it&#39;s because they have no boudaries. People have that "It&#39;s not my fault" mentality that really makes me sick. People don&#39;t take responsibility for their actions because they never learned a thing about consequences in the first place.

All in all, spankings and the like in moderation, in my opinion, are not that bad, and probably sometimes necessary. And this came out longer than I meant it to :blush:

[Whimsicality]

Originally posted by Eilonwy@May 9 2004, 12:58 AM
People need discipline, plain and simple.* And I simply don&#39;t think that when you ask a kid in a nice way to stop doing what they were doing that they are going to think you mean what you say.* My mom, for instance, didn&#39;t like to whip us, but my dad didn&#39;t mind it quite as much.* Guess who my siblings and I respect more?* My dad.* We know that he means what he says....

....All in all, spankings and the like in moderation, in my opinion, are not that bad, and probably sometimes necessary.* And this came out longer than I meant it to :blush:
People need disepline, maybe, but there are other ways to disipline then smacking your children.

Maybe spanking really is fine, but again, it gets to the point where it&#39;s hard to find the line between abuse and disipline. It can be hard enough to prove a parent is abusing their child, but when they can hide behind the line "I was only disiplining her&#33;" what happens?

I have never been hit by my parents. A time-out when I was little, losing dessert, worked just fine. Now, I tend to be a smartass and talk back a lot, but it&#39;s mostly in good humor, and I know when to have respect. I know that (even though I may strongly disagree with them) they have manny more years of experience then I do.

[Mark]

Taking away priveledges works just as good. My brother got suspended for a day at school a few months ago and my parents took his tv, along with his cable, out of his room for two months and he&#39;s done much better in school. Just take away a couple of things they love, keep it away for a while to make them feel bad and reconsider why they did it, and they&#39;ll regret doing it in the first place. This way is bruise-free.

[Jila]

Originally posted by Mark@May 8 2004, 05:41 PM
Taking away priveledges works just as good. My brother got suspended for a day at school a few months ago and my parents took his tv, along with his cable, out of his room for two months and he&#39;s done much better in school. Just take away a couple of things they love, keep it away for a while to make them feel bad and reconsider why they did it, and they&#39;ll regret doing it in the first place. This way is bruise-free.
i agree with that except i have nothing my parents can take away.

[Alacrity]

Originally posted by Mark@May 8 2004, 09:41 PM
Taking away priveledges works just as good. My brother got suspended for a day at school a few months ago and my parents took his tv, along with his cable, out of his room for two months and he&#39;s done much better in school. Just take away a couple of things they love, keep it away for a while to make them feel bad and reconsider why they did it, and they&#39;ll regret doing it in the first place. This way is bruise-free.
I&#39;ve had that done so many times to me that I don&#39;t care anymore, though. My mom can take away whatever she wants, it only makes me resent her. It doesn&#39;t make me behave anymore then asking me like another equal human does. I think it&#39;s the fact that my parents talk to me in a condesending way that makes me misbehave more than anything else.

[Hybrid_Bunny]

Originally posted by Mark@May 9 2004, 01:41 AM
Taking away priveledges works just as good. My brother got suspended for a day at school a few months ago and my parents took his tv, along with his cable, out of his room for two months and he&#39;s done much better in school. Just take away a couple of things they love, keep it away for a while to make them feel bad and reconsider why they did it, and they&#39;ll regret doing it in the first place. This way is bruise-free.
That was actually much more effective for me. The worst thing they did was not let me watch tv for a week. When that happened, I actually told them to spank me and get it over with. Later on, I actually either just learned to tape the shows I missed or just watch them without my parents ever finding out. Yeah, tv was my life when I was little. I was so not one of those outdoors kids, so it definitely punished me better. A lot of the times though..with beatings, you usually just learn to try harder not to get caught.

[Mark]

Originally posted by Alacrity622+May 8 2004, 11:26 PM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (Alacrity622 @ May 8 2004, 11:26 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> <!--QuoteBegin--Mark@May 8 2004, 09:41 PM
Taking away priveledges works just as good. My brother got suspended for a day at school a few months ago and my parents took his tv, along with his cable, out of his room for two months and he&#39;s done much better in school. Just take away a couple of things they love, keep it away for a while to make them feel bad and reconsider why they did it, and they&#39;ll regret doing it in the first place. This way is bruise-free.
I&#39;ve had that done so many times to me that I don&#39;t care anymore, though. My mom can take away whatever she wants, it only makes me resent her. It doesn&#39;t make me behave anymore then asking me like another equal human does. I think it&#39;s the fact that my parents talk to me in a condesending way that makes me misbehave more than anything else. [/b][/quote]
Say if they take away your internet for a couple of months and wouldn&#39;t guarantee it to come back until you felt bad for what you did, wouldn&#39;t that be a learning curve?

[Derek The Infamous]

Originally posted by Mark+May 8 2004, 09:03 PM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (Mark @ May 8 2004, 09:03 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'>
Originally posted by -Alacrity622@May 8 2004, 11:26 PM
<!--QuoteBegin--Mark@May 8 2004, 09:41 PM
Taking away priveledges works just as good. My brother got suspended for a day at school a few months ago and my parents took his tv, along with his cable, out of his room for two months and he&#39;s done much better in school. Just take away a couple of things they love, keep it away for a while to make them feel bad and reconsider why they did it, and they&#39;ll regret doing it in the first place. This way is bruise-free.
I&#39;ve had that done so many times to me that I don&#39;t care anymore, though. My mom can take away whatever she wants, it only makes me resent her. It doesn&#39;t make me behave anymore then asking me like another equal human does. I think it&#39;s the fact that my parents talk to me in a condesending way that makes me misbehave more than anything else.
Say if they take away your internet for a couple of months and wouldn&#39;t guarantee it to come back until you felt bad for what you did, wouldn&#39;t that be a learning curve? [/b][/quote]
Thank you so much Mark for seeing things the way I do. You were able to say what I was having trouble getting out myself.

[Alacrity]

Originally posted by Mark+May 8 2004, 10:03 PM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (Mark @ May 8 2004, 10:03 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'>
Originally posted by -Alacrity622@May 8 2004, 11:26 PM
<!--QuoteBegin--Mark@May 8 2004, 09:41 PM
Taking away priveledges works just as good. My brother got suspended for a day at school a few months ago and my parents took his tv, along with his cable, out of his room for two months and he&#39;s done much better in school. Just take away a couple of things they love, keep it away for a while to make them feel bad and reconsider why they did it, and they&#39;ll regret doing it in the first place. This way is bruise-free.
I&#39;ve had that done so many times to me that I don&#39;t care anymore, though. My mom can take away whatever she wants, it only makes me resent her. It doesn&#39;t make me behave anymore then asking me like another equal human does. I think it&#39;s the fact that my parents talk to me in a condesending way that makes me misbehave more than anything else.
Say if they take away your internet for a couple of months and wouldn&#39;t guarantee it to come back until you felt bad for what you did, wouldn&#39;t that be a learning curve? [/b][/quote]
It happened, and yeah, I said that I learned to get back in good graces, but in the end result? Chances are i&#39;ll do what I did wrong again in a couple weeks. I hate to admit it but, it&#39;s most likely true.

[Mark]

Originally posted by Derek+May 8 2004, 11:55 PM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (Derek @ May 8 2004, 11:55 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'>
Originally posted by -Mark@May 8 2004, 09:03 PM

Originally posted by -Alacrity622@May 8 2004, 11:26 PM
<!--QuoteBegin--Mark@May 8 2004, 09:41 PM
Taking away priveledges works just as good. My brother got suspended for a day at school a few months ago and my parents took his tv, along with his cable, out of his room for two months and he&#39;s done much better in school. Just take away a couple of things they love, keep it away for a while to make them feel bad and reconsider why they did it, and they&#39;ll regret doing it in the first place. This way is bruise-free.
I&#39;ve had that done so many times to me that I don&#39;t care anymore, though. My mom can take away whatever she wants, it only makes me resent her. It doesn&#39;t make me behave anymore then asking me like another equal human does. I think it&#39;s the fact that my parents talk to me in a condesending way that makes me misbehave more than anything else.
Say if they take away your internet for a couple of months and wouldn&#39;t guarantee it to come back until you felt bad for what you did, wouldn&#39;t that be a learning curve?
Thank you so much Mark for seeing things the way I do. You were able to say what I was having trouble getting out myself. [/b][/quote]
I&#39;m not against spanking, though I don&#39;t like hits to the head/punching/slapping, but I&#39;d only encourage it if what I said about taking things away doesn&#39;t work.

[Trish]

Originally posted by Hybrid_Bunny+May 9 2004, 02:03 AM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (Hybrid_Bunny @ May 9 2004, 02:03 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> <!--QuoteBegin--Mark@May 9 2004, 01:41 AM
Taking away priveledges works just as good. My brother got suspended for a day at school a few months ago and my parents took his tv, along with his cable, out of his room for two months and he&#39;s done much better in school. Just take away a couple of things they love, keep it away for a while to make them feel bad and reconsider why they did it, and they&#39;ll regret doing it in the first place. This way is bruise-free.
That was actually much more effective for me. The worst thing they did was not let me watch tv for a week. When that happened, I actually told them to spank me and get it over with. Later on, I actually either just learned to tape the shows I missed or just watch them without my parents ever finding out. Yeah, tv was my life when I was little. I was so not one of those outdoors kids, so it definitely punished me better. A lot of the times though..with beatings, you usually just learn to try harder not to get caught. [/b][/quote]
Yeah...I was never an outside kid and I loved TV alot too.
But taking away things didn&#39;t work for me.
I don&#39;t know why, but a quick smack was more painful than no TV for me.
And it worked. :wth:

[Leones]

I think spanking and slapping your childeren can be good, but not always. When a child has got to an age of responsebility the parents physical punishment has to stop. And parents have to know clearly why they punish their child, because if they hit for no good reason the child doesn&#39;t learn anything of it and will become afraid or disrespectfull against it&#39;s parents.
I don&#39;t respect my father because he doesn&#39;t have controll over himself. It&#39;s a circle we are trapt in. If he thinks that I say a disrespectfull thing to him or my mother (he doesn&#39;t hear that well, so he understands it wrong sometimes) or if I ignore him, he doesn&#39;t know what to do and builds up a lot of energy that wants to get out. (my father has a burn-out so he&#39;s very tense) Sometimes he knows how to controll it but other times he&#39;s like he wants to kill someone, mostly me. One time I was really afraid of him because he wanted to damage me seriously bad, he screamed and punched me. But my mum came in and calmed him down. Everytime such a thing happens I have less respect for him, I can do two things, just talk or ignore him.
Now it&#39;s getting some better because my parents see that I need a life of my own. But I can&#39;t wait to leave this house and move to an other place. I won&#39;t miss them.

[Anya]

I don&#39;t think so. If my mother ever hit me I would be extremely angry. You don&#39;t SLAP a child simply just because he or she needed a lift to go somewhere. I mean, sometimes that child can&#39;t seem to help it. I mean.. I can relate to it.

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Example 1:

Teenagers, such as ourselves, sometimes aren&#39;t at the eligable age to get a job at their moment in life. They can&#39;t seem to buy anything at their leisure and it puts a firm hold on them making them feel in a way &#39;trapped&#39; because they can&#39;t go on and live and buy things on their own like a normal adult could. Teens around this age tend to want to feel a little more mature and more on their own. I know I do. So they tend to want to be treated like one and sometimes even considered one. It&#39;s a normal phase we all go through in which point in time we&#39;ll realize being older and being an actual adult isn&#39;t all it&#39;s really cracked up to be. But in the childs mind they still want that freedom, that feel and sense of maturity. So asking your parents for money once in a while isn&#39;t a bad thing, all they need to do is once in a while understand. They were kids once, right? Instead of slapping them because they were supposedly &#39;nagging you&#39; just form an agreement. In turn of lending them money, when they get back, let them work around the house to pay of their debt. I don&#39;t see any harm in that, it teaches them a valuble lesson and in turn gives them a great sense of maturity knowing that they did somthing that made them feel more up-to-level with people older than them for once.

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And as for driving your kid somewhere and giving them a lift, it shouldn&#39;t go as far as slapping them for nagging you either&#33;

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Example 2:

I&#39;m 14 and i&#39;m not exactly permitted to drive yet, right? Well I have a social life to ya know. Parents, sometimes, have to go out of their way to let their children have a social life of their own. It&#39;s apart of growing up and getting along with other people. Sometimes, my parents won&#39;t even take me. To tell you the truth, my Dad is extremley lazy. He&#39;s never taken me to a friends house ever before in his life. He did maybe once or twice but then he stopped because he decided he wanted to stay home and sleep or watch TV instead. My Dad&#39;s a ####### couch potato he doesn&#39;t even have his own job. I don&#39;t see why he can&#39;t get up off his lazy ass for once and drive me somewhere but for some reason, my complaining, and opinion on why he should take him never matters to him. He always says "if you want to go over there her mother has to pick you up and take you home" being as rude as he can to her mother. It&#39;s really not fair, he only cares about himself and nothing but himself and that bothers me and because of that I barely even have a social life. For other teenagers, I know it must not be fair for them either. It&#39;s completley normal to want to go hang out with a group of friends and parents should understand that completley. It&#39;s important for us to grasp that opportunity and have fun while we can because when were older, responsibility will take over and we will have to work more than having fun and going out to play.

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So that&#39;s my opinion, if you need to say anything otherwise then say it.

[Michele890]

Um.. I definatly disagree with it. My mom is a total push over and probably spanked me once my whole life. Although, most people don&#39;t agreee with that. I mean..... If my mom had hit me, I would only resent her and that would definatly ruin our relashonship. I think smacking is for parents who don&#39;t know how to control their kid so they hit them so they&#39;ll be scared. You shouldn&#39;t hit a ######## kid anyway. The only way I would have learned from that is "Oh no if I do this mommy will hate me and smack me". But my sister my brother & I know right from wrong. I babysat for kids who get spanked, and all the little boy does is smack because they think it&#39;s punishment And they think it&#39;s acceptable.

[Anya]

Originally posted by Michele890@May 9 2004, 09:13 AM
Um.. I definatly disagree with it. My mom is a total push over and probably spanked me once my whole life. Although, most people don&#39;t agreee with that. I mean..... If my mom had hit me, I would only resent her and that would definatly ruin our relashonship. I think smacking is for parents who don&#39;t know how to control their kid so they hit them so they&#39;ll be scared. You shouldn&#39;t hit a ######## kid anyway. The only way I would have learned from that is "Oh no if I do this mommy will hate me and smack me". But my sister my brother & I know right from wrong. I babysat for kids who get spanked, and all the little boy does is smack because they think it&#39;s punishment And they think it&#39;s acceptable.
Aaron does that? Sorry, just asking &#39;cause he&#39;s the only boy I know of that you babysit.. hey, call me i&#39;m bored lol. :P

[Michele890]

Originally posted by Anya+May 9 2004, 02:18 PM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (Anya @ May 9 2004, 02:18 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> <!--QuoteBegin--Michele890@May 9 2004, 09:13 AM
Um.. I definatly disagree with it. My mom is a total push over and probably spanked me once my whole life. Although, most people don&#39;t agreee with that. I mean..... If my mom had hit me, I would only resent her and that would definatly ruin our relashonship. I think smacking is for parents who don&#39;t know how to control their kid so they hit them so they&#39;ll be scared. You shouldn&#39;t hit a ######## kid anyway. The only way I would have learned from that is "Oh no if I do this mommy will hate me and smack me". But my sister my brother & I know right from wrong. I babysat for kids who get spanked, and all the little boy does is smack because they think it&#39;s punishment And they think it&#39;s acceptable.
Aaron does that? Sorry, just asking &#39;cause he&#39;s the only boy I know of that you babysit.. hey, call me i&#39;m bored lol. :P [/b][/quote]
Yes....

[TheSunIsShining]

i disagree, my parents used to hit me until i went up to them one day and asked them if it was illegal.


im still scared of my dad =(

[Jila]

yeah, i agree with anya on the whole age thing. its like kids dont really have much rights and its not fair that parent should be able to hit their kids who are like 10 times smaller than them when they do something wrong. and i mean its not "acceptable" for kids to hit their parents even if they do something really stupid. like if you come home drunk and your parents hit you and you say you deserved it, but then you cant do the same thing to them if they come home drunk and smash things. its just not right.

[Kæton]

Being a son who was brought up on physical discipline, I can say that I don&#39;t love the physical discipline. It&#39;s never taught me anything but to dislike it and cower in fear when my parents raise their hands.

In my entire life, I was always a quiet kid (still am), but since my parents descend from actual Asian cultures, physical discipline is supposed to make your children stronger. Everytime I annoyed my parents, they&#39;d hit me, but that never got me any stronger, it made me more scared of my parents, and this is a reason I barely stick up for myself... As a young child, I was led to assume anything I say that offends others or anything would get me severely hurt and I never wanted to experience that again.

Maybe once or twice in my life I deserved to be hit for beind such an a-hole, but I don&#39;t agree on a consistancy to hit your child for being a child. Children grow with time like everything else living, and I personally wish I wasn&#39;t one of those who suffered physical discipline because now I really believe it is part of the reason I never speak up or defend myself. However, being of Asian descent, I believe that they&#39;ve only done it with the best interests, and I will love my parents until the end of time, even with my disagreements and everything, you can&#39;t change who your bloods are.

There are different cases of to why children are hit as a disciplinary action, but even though I disagree with my parents for the way I was brought up to fear out-spoken-ness, but we&#39;re all human, so even though I cannot forget, I can forgive.

However, I think my situation is different. I think in Asian families, your parents are supposed to put an amount of "fear" into their children, thusly giving the expected amount of respect for them, but I don&#39;t really know for sure.

Excuse me if I went off a bit :lol:.

[freaklikemeh]

some children arent disiplined enough..

[Michele890]

Originally posted by TheSunIsShining@May 9 2004, 04:41 PM
i disagree, my parents used to hit me until i went up to them one day and asked them if it was illegal.


im still scared of my dad =(
haha &#33; way to stop em&#33;

[TheSunIsShining]

i was only 10 though...


keaton...all i can say is im exactly like you, but i hate my parents for what they did

[ass_kicker]

i dont think a way to rise a child is by hitting them. thats just BULS*IT. my dad beats me up. im sorry, but its screwed to think it has a positive effect on me or whatever. i nearly hate him now.

[ella1432]

I think it&#39;s wrong to hit your kids. It&#39;s just a lazy way to discipline them, and research shows that parents that were hit as kids still have respect for their parents and hit their own kids, believing it to be correct.

[ass_kicker]

Originally posted by ella1432@May 10 2004, 05:19 PM
I think it&#39;s wrong to hit your kids. It&#39;s just a lazy way to discipline them, and research shows that parents that were hit as kids still have respect for their parents and hit their own kids, believing it to be correct.
yeah i know my grandpa used to beat my dad up. he&#39;s an alcoholic. my grandpa i mean.
i have a very alcoholic family. i just realised. :o :mellow:

[tkd_rap]

Originally posted by ass_kicker+May 10 2004, 05:29 PM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (ass_kicker @ May 10 2004, 05:29 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> <!--QuoteBegin--ella1432@May 10 2004, 05:19 PM
I think it&#39;s wrong to hit your kids. It&#39;s just a lazy way to discipline them, and research shows that parents that were hit as kids still have respect for their parents and hit their own kids, believing it to be correct.
yeah i know my grandpa used to beat my dad up. he&#39;s an alcoholic. my grandpa i mean.
i have a very alcoholic family. i just realised. :o :mellow: [/b][/quote]
sorry, i just found the fact the that a guy named "Ass kicker" is posting is the disiplen topic, lol

[ass_kicker]

Originally posted by tkd_rap+May 10 2004, 05:31 PM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (tkd_rap @ May 10 2004, 05:31 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'>
Originally posted by -ass_kicker@May 10 2004, 05:29 PM
<!--QuoteBegin--ella1432@May 10 2004, 05:19 PM
I think it&#39;s wrong to hit your kids. It&#39;s just a lazy way to discipline them, and research shows that parents that were hit as kids still have respect for their parents and hit their own kids, believing it to be correct.
yeah i know my grandpa used to beat my dad up. he&#39;s an alcoholic. my grandpa i mean.
i have a very alcoholic family. i just realised. :o :mellow:
sorry, i just found the fact the that a guy named "Ass kicker" is posting is the disiplen topic, lol [/b][/quote]
:lol: hahah sorreys if my name offends some people... besides, im not a guy :P hello. my name is katie. *shakes hands*

[Leones]

Originally posted by ass_kicker+May 10 2004, 05:36 PM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (ass_kicker @ May 10 2004, 05:36 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'>
Originally posted by -tkd_rap@May 10 2004, 05:31 PM

Originally posted by -ass_kicker@May 10 2004, 05:29 PM
<!--QuoteBegin--ella1432@May 10 2004, 05:19 PM
I think it&#39;s wrong to hit your kids. It&#39;s just a lazy way to discipline them, and research shows that parents that were hit as kids still have respect for their parents and hit their own kids, believing it to be correct.
yeah i know my grandpa used to beat my dad up. he&#39;s an alcoholic. my grandpa i mean.
i have a very alcoholic family. i just realised. :o :mellow:
sorry, i just found the fact the that a guy named "Ass kicker" is posting is the disiplen topic, lol
:lol: hahah sorreys if my name offends some people... besides, im not a guy :P hello. my name is katie. *shakes hands* [/b][/quote]
yeah my grandpa kicked ass too


:lol: :o

[ass_kicker]

Originally posted by cuidado+May 10 2004, 06:07 PM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (cuidado @ May 10 2004, 06:07 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'>
Originally posted by -ass_kicker@May 10 2004, 05:36 PM

Originally posted by -tkd_rap@May 10 2004, 05:31 PM

Originally posted by -ass_kicker@May 10 2004, 05:29 PM
<!--QuoteBegin--ella1432@May 10 2004, 05:19 PM
I think it&#39;s wrong to hit your kids. It&#39;s just a lazy way to discipline them, and research shows that parents that were hit as kids still have respect for their parents and hit their own kids, believing it to be correct.
yeah i know my grandpa used to beat my dad up. he&#39;s an alcoholic. my grandpa i mean.
i have a very alcoholic family. i just realised. :o :mellow:
sorry, i just found the fact the that a guy named "Ass kicker" is posting is the disiplen topic, lol
:lol: hahah sorreys if my name offends some people... besides, im not a guy :P hello. my name is katie. *shakes hands*
yeah my grandpa kicked ass too


:lol: :o [/b][/quote]
hahah our grandpas are agressive pirates :lol:

[Leones]

Originally posted by ass_kicker+May 10 2004, 06:12 PM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (ass_kicker @ May 10 2004, 06:12 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'>
Originally posted by -cuidado@May 10 2004, 06:07 PM

Originally posted by -ass_kicker@May 10 2004, 05:36 PM

Originally posted by -tkd_rap@May 10 2004, 05:31 PM

Originally posted by -ass_kicker@May 10 2004, 05:29 PM
<!--QuoteBegin--ella1432@May 10 2004, 05:19 PM
I think it&#39;s wrong to hit your kids. It&#39;s just a lazy way to discipline them, and research shows that parents that were hit as kids still have respect for their parents and hit their own kids, believing it to be correct.
yeah i know my grandpa used to beat my dad up. he&#39;s an alcoholic. my grandpa i mean.
i have a very alcoholic family. i just realised. :o :mellow:
sorry, i just found the fact the that a guy named "Ass kicker" is posting is the disiplen topic, lol
:lol: hahah sorreys if my name offends some people... besides, im not a guy :P hello. my name is katie. *shakes hands*
yeah my grandpa kicked ass too


:lol: :o
hahah our grandpas are agressive pirates :lol: [/b][/quote]
was actually



:lol:

[LPpride006]

i dont think its right to hit your kids just to discipline them, because it only makes it worse. my dad thinks its okay to just beat me up whenever he wants to because thats the way he was brought up . i hate him for the fact that he hits me anytime he wants while i cant do anything about it and now im just plain afraid of him so much that i cant do anything about it

[Whimsicality]

Originally posted by freaklikemeh@May 9 2004, 09:27 PM
some children arent disiplined enough..
Can you elaborate your point of view a little more?

[Alacrity]

Originally posted by twicethetrouble+May 10 2004, 08:01 PM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (twicethetrouble @ May 10 2004, 08:01 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> <!--QuoteBegin--freaklikemeh@May 9 2004, 09:27 PM
some children arent disiplined enough..
Can you elaborate your point of view a little more? [/b][/quote]
I agree. Some kids talk to their parent&#39;s like their pieces of crap...I see it everyday. "Mom, do this now&#33;&#33;" I&#39;ve seen kids that curse their parents off, order them around, tell them what to do...it&#39;s awful. No offense, but sometimes the kids NEED to be hit just to bring them back to reality.

[Whimsicality]

Originally posted by Alacrity622+May 10 2004, 08:41 PM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (Alacrity622 @ May 10 2004, 08:41 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'>
Originally posted by -twicethetrouble@May 10 2004, 08:01 PM
<!--QuoteBegin--freaklikemeh@May 9 2004, 09:27 PM
some children arent disiplined enough..
Can you elaborate your point of view a little more?
I agree. Some kids talk to their parent&#39;s like their pieces of crap...I see it everyday. "Mom, do this now&#33;&#33;" I&#39;ve seen kids that curse their parents off, order them around, tell them what to do...it&#39;s awful. No offense, but sometimes the kids NEED to be hit just to bring them back to reality. [/b][/quote]
Ah, but see, they get what they want. It&#39;s human nature, and moreso with kids. If you give them things when they demand it, they&#39;ll demand it more. All kids go through a "rebel" stage, but if you stand firm they learn. That&#39;s exactly what&#39;s going on with my six year old brother, while he&#39;s no angel, he knows he has to be polite. When he&#39;s not, even if he&#39;s asking for something as simple as a piece of paper, he doesn&#39;t get it if he says "Give me a piece of paper, now&#33;" He has to ask nicely.

Kids will try to take as much control as they can, it&#39;s just the way they are. If you have consistant boundaries they learn.

[Radical Dreamer]

The difficult thing to argue about this is, where do we draw the line between &#39;discipline&#39; and &#39;abuse&#39;? If hitting a child until he/she bleeds, then that&#39;s not right. The dad there probably hit too hard. I know from experience that a mild slap on the cheek won&#39;t cause a nosebleed.

At any rate, I don&#39;t agree that kids shouldn&#39;t be disciplined by physical means. Prepubescent kids in particular don&#39;t always want to reason with their parents. Sometimes the only way to punish them or shut them up is a bit of smacking. My mom used to smack me in the past when I did something wrong. I can&#39;t say I enjoyed it, but I have to admit I learnt my lesson. It wouldn&#39;t be okay to hit children violently and on a regular basis, but I see nothing wrong with enforcing discipline through smacking. Anyway, what&#39;s more effective in punishing a child who&#39;s done something wrong? A light smack across the cheek? Or just caving in and letting it pass, because you have your hands tied behind your back?

Parents these days are so powerless when it comes to disciplining their children. That&#39;s why we have a generation of rebellious, spoilt, whiny brats. You have kids telling their parents to f**k off or slamming their bedroom door in their faces when they&#39;re being fed, clothed and sheltered by the very people they&#39;re bad-mouthing.

[Whimsicality]

Originally posted by Radical Dreamer@May 10 2004, 09:41 PM
The difficult thing to argue about this is, where do we draw the line between &#39;discipline&#39; and &#39;abuse&#39;? If hitting a child until he/she bleeds, then that&#39;s not right. The dad there probably hit too hard. I know from experience that a mild slap on the cheek won&#39;t cause a nosebleed.

At any rate, I don&#39;t agree that kids shouldn&#39;t be disciplined by physical means. Prepubescent kids in particular don&#39;t always want to reason with their parents. Sometimes the only way to punish them or shut them up is a bit of smacking. My mom used to smack me in the past when I did something wrong. I can&#39;t say I enjoyed it, but I have to admit I learnt my lesson. It wouldn&#39;t be okay to hit children violently and on a regular basis, but I see nothing wrong with enforcing discipline through smacking. Anyway, what&#39;s more effective in punishing a child who&#39;s done something wrong? A light smack across the cheek? Or just caving in and letting it pass, because you have your hands tied behind your back?

Parents these days are so powerless when it comes to disciplining their children. That&#39;s why we have a generation of rebellious, spoilt, whiny brats. You have kids telling their parents to f**k off or slamming their bedroom door in their faces when they&#39;re being fed, clothed and sheltered by the very people they&#39;re bad-mouthing.
But what if they just don&#39;t cave? What if they just say "No," and mean it?

Also, I think it would be very easy for abusive parents to hide behind "I was just disciplining her&#33;" in the case of an investigation.

[Chris Luke]

http://www.lpassociation.com/forums/index....ST&f=71&t=10681 (http://www.lpassociation.com/forums/index.php?act=ST&f=71&t=10681)
This described my childhood and what i could have done

[Mechanical Christ]

Originally posted by EastCoastPunk@May 8 2004, 02:36 PM
I am a firm believer on not hitting your kids. I get really angry when I see it happen. My brother got hit a lot by my dad in the past and that&#39;s had a lasting affect on my brother and I. Witnessing it made me sick. I hate it when parents hit their kids. It&#39;s not right at all. It will just make everything worse, IMO.

I haven&#39;t been hit by my parents and I think they know not to because of the whole situation with my brother. Plus, I&#39;ll fight back. :whistle:
ME TOO&#33; (w00t)