Life Theory

[Anya]

Do you ever wonder what's beyond both earth and the universe? I don't know really myself but I would like to hear your theorys at least. I always wondered if there ever really was a god. If so maybe it's someone else besides that. Controlling us. Our every movement, thought, or action being controlled maybe by even aliens. You never know. If outside our earth there's a universe.. then what's beyond that? Another universe? And then that universe is followed by another universe, and another universe, and another universe until finally it comes to where we only a spec of dust. Sitting in the middle of nowhere with an alien, god, etc. watching over that very spec of dust, controlling the lives of the billions of people that are living beneath him. Should we take that as a good thing? What if we really are being controlled? What if were only a dream. And when we finally wake up we all die and life will no longer be living..

...

Sorry. I didn't mean to scare you. :lol: But seriously. I'm curious about this and i've always thought about it. You never know what's true and what's not so I would like to hear all of your theorys of life as well. Tell me what you think. :)

[Link04]

Heh, I'd like to safely assume that nothing controlls me. Even though no one will truely ever know (I think I've read some of Aristotles works on this when I was inspired to do so by The Matrix :P). I read a good article on SCIAM about the universe and some theories. A bit off topic from this thread though, so I'll link you instead of pasting...

http://www.sciam.com/article.cfm?chanID=sa...4F483414B7F0000 (http://www.sciam.com/article.cfm?chanID=sa006&colID=1&articleID=00042F0D-1A0E-1085-94F483414B7F0000)

Also,
Ultimately, there are so many things of our own world we don't know yet, I'm not going to waste my brain power about thing's I'll probably never know anyway. However intriguing it may be.

[suicidalmelodies]

Im very simple so bare with me....

Beyond all this, I belive there's an endless field of swirly colors and a magical place where rainbows dont mean gay, and you can have sex like bunnies but never be called a wh*re, where yuo can choose between endless rays of sunshine or peaceful nighttime, a place where you can have opinions without being called strange for what you choose or believe in, a mythical place where there's total freedom of religion, and no racial profiling, a place that'll never exist unfortunately....

[Link04]

Well, it's very nice to see that you have such hope, and such an awesome place to hold onto. You were right in saying that place will ever exist on Earth though. If anyone believes it will, then I officially dub you Uber Moron. :P We are conflicted by differences

[Jila]

man, i wrote this evolution article that i havent finished for an anti-christ site my friends and i were going to open up. anyways, i guess ill do a little brief not-so-scientific summary of it since it would be like 5 pages long.


okay, first, the earth started to form be condensation of dust into a molten mass and the atmosphere was like hot steam and molten lava and such. then the earth cooled, water vapor became liquid, and chemical reactions created organic molecules the essential building blocks (i.e. simple carbohydrates, carbon-rich acids, alcohols, etc.)

so, then prokaryotes (single-celled organisms) formed that were able to live in the harsh conditions where there was no free oxygen. then sulfer compounds blocked out radiation from the sun and the organisms used it to make energy (AKA photosynthesis).

then the land surfaces formed continental plates and that whole earth forming thing. then, turning carbon into living tissue, taking out carbon dioxide and returning oxygen, the ozone layer formed. photosynthesis became more advanced resulting in eukaryoutes (multi-cellular organisms).

i should stop there with the scientific stuff. so basically, thats how life started and things just progressed over billions and billions of years until life is what it is today.


oh, and the whole god thing, i think that started by some parents who invented an imaginary person. they wanted theyre children to behave so they said if they were good, when they died, god would reward them, and if ther were bad, they would be punished. i think it just went all crazy from there, like living in eternal damnation and satan torturing your soul and such.

the end

p.s. about living things outside of our galaxy, i think its possible. things just have to be in the right place, like distance from the sun and such so that its at a teperature where organisms can live.

[Link04]

I'm a devout Christian, so brace yourself and defend your theory. There are so many holes in that little story you gave you can't possibly explain. How does a load of dust form into a MOLTEN swirling ball? More importantly, you make the biggest contradiction of evolution, the prescence of organic molecules, seem like a magic poof. How did they form? It was shown that the early 'soup' of an ocean we had lacked any elements required for organic molecules to be synthesized. No organic molecules = no life! And I find it impossible to believe that all life came from one prokaryotic organism, there are so many things scientists totally speculated on and so many 'what if's' it's laughable.

And I, personally, believe that Adam and Eve was simply a metaphor, a story to explain how God created life. TELL ME you were kidding with the bit about it being created from a parent. The Bible was written down over so many years by so many different people, while maintaining historical accuracy and little contradiction, I don't even feel like getting into it all, lol.

Finally, hell is not eternal torture, nor a fiery place. Hell is interperated by biblical scholars as eternal nothingness, perishing, being cut off from the souls of who all you love and care about. I forget the exact verse....

What do you believe happens after death?

[Jila]

okay, i really didnt want to type up the whole thing and i left stuff out. i still dont feel like putting the entire thing up so ill just answer your statements.


How does a load of dust form into a MOLTEN swirling ball?
like i said, the mixture of condensation of dust particles and the hot steam of the atmosphere. therefore, molten lava was the surface of the earth.


More importantly, you make the biggest contradiction of evolution, the prescence of organic molecules, seem like a magic poof. How did they form? It was shown that the early 'soup' of an ocean we had lacked any elements required for organic molecules to be synthesized.
water vapor= liquid (the most essential thing for organisms to live)
when you have water and and the atmosphere, you have weather. lightning struck protein, chemical reactions occured, amino acids, carbohydrates and such, essential building blocks, i basically already stated this.


And I find it impossible to believe that all life came from one prokaryotic organism
life didnt come from one prokaryote, it came from chemical reactions.


The Bible was written down over so many years by so many different people

exactly..
1. the bible was written by PEOPLE. it proves the vast population of the human race cant stand the fact that were are alone, that theres no other world after ours. instead of living in fear, they create an imaginary being to worship and believe theyll recieve salvation in return.

2. let say greek mythology for example, the stories have changed so much its riddiculous. the only reason why greek mythology has been dismissed is because no one believes it anymore. therefore, the bible wont be dismissed because so many people follow the religion even though many of the stories are equally as redicculous.


while maintaining historical accuracy and little contradiction
dont tell me noahs ark ever happened because that is virtually impossible


Finally, hell is not eternal torture, nor a fiery place. Hell is interperated by biblical scholars as eternal nothingness, perishing, being cut off from the souls of who all you love and care about.

i was giving an example of how people change the stories about it.


What do you believe happens after death?

i think you just die. i think when you die its kind of like when you fall asleep. you know, when you wake you didnt realize you fell to sleep except when you die you dont wake up. like eternal sleep minus the dreams.

[Link04]

Ok, I'll answer back one statement at a time:


I can see what you're saying on the first one...I misinterperated


Are you completely forgetting about Carbon? The thing that differentiates living from non living from an elemental point is carbon. There was no carbon in early earth. It's completely proposterous to think that all the chemical reactions responsible for life exsisting happened in a lightening strike. That's just as likely of an event as there being an omnipotent being.


How so? It's theorized by the same evolutionists you believe that eukaryotic cells were prokaryotic cells 'invaded' by protein structures. It's even more of a stretch to say it came from chemical reactions, especially when supposedly initiated by a lightening stike, I'd like to think that existance of all live just didn't happen by chance.


How can you call it a fact that there's no other world? That's an opinion, there's no possible way for you to know without experiencing it. And the stories in the Bible don't change. Yes, they're PEOPLE, just as you are. Does that make your belief any more plausible than theirs? No, it doesn't.


Virtually impossible? I think not. Maybe slightly dramatized, but there is scientific proof of a massive flood corresponding to the time when it was written in the Bible.


And the last two of your statements were just opinions. I do believe in heaven after death, though.

[Whimsicality]

I think we're some nerdy kid's science project.


:whistle:


Seriously though, I don't believe in God, heaven or hell. I do believe that there are "higher beings" of a sort, that are to us what we are to plankton, and we can't hope to understand them because they operate on a totally different level. But I do not believe in a single creator/God who sees and loves us all, etc etc etc.

[Link04]

That's an interesting perspective. A lot of my friends believe the same thing.


I'm not trying to convert anyone here, folks. Just posting my opinions.

[suicidalmelodies]

Wow, you guys are really taking this seriously huh?

I stick with my theory of pretty swirly colors, bunny lovin', and no profiling... hehe. Like I said, I like to keep it simple... :teehee:

[Jila]

Are you completely forgetting about Carbon?

this was from my first post..

chemical reactions created organic molecules the essential building blocks (i.e. simple carbohydrates, carbon-rich acids, alcohols, etc.)




It's completely proposterous to think that all the chemical reactions responsible for life exsisting happened in a lightening strike.


It's even more of a stretch to say it came from chemical reactions, especially when supposedly initiated by a lightening stike, I'd like to think that existance of all live just didn't happen by chance.

its not like a specific lighting strike has to hit a certain protein or anything that it should be considered chance. also, there are several chemical reactions that do not happen by lighting.


Does that make your belief any more plausible than theirs? No, it doesn't.

i would say so. the proof of evolution has by far exceeded that of the theory that god created life. i find it quite impossible that someone "creates" beings, watches over each of them, decides their individual fate, etc. and where exactly would god be? its kind of hard to believe that god is "everywhere". the theory of evolution has scientific reasons why it would be true whereas the theory of god is only depicted and interpreted by what other people say, their "beliefs", and ther faith. its just those who choose to believe and follow what they say to make the religion stay alive.


Virtually impossible? I think not. Maybe slightly dramatized, but there is scientific proof of a massive flood corresponding to the time when it was written in the Bible.
slightly dramatized? 2 of every freakin animal!! that insanely dramatized. and, i know about that flood, im positive it wasnt as bad as to drown like half the world and it didnt need to have its own fake story in the bible.


And the last two of your statements were just opinions. I do believe in heaven after death, though.
i respect your opinions too but im just stating my theory as you are.


p.s. suicidalmelodies: good luck on your happy place

[suicidalmelodies]

Originally posted by PyRoMaNiaK@May 3 2004, 01:41 AM
p.s. suicidalmelodies: good luck on your happy place
My happy place does exist, no matter WHAT YOU SAY!
*runs and hides in dark corner and cries*
It does exist, it does exist, it does exist, it does exist.....

[Jila]

Originally posted by suicidalmelodies+May 2 2004, 05:46 PM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (suicidalmelodies @ May 2 2004, 05:46 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> <!--QuoteBegin--PyRoMaNiaK@May 3 2004, 01:41 AM
p.s. suicidalmelodies: good luck on your happy place
My happy place does exist, no matter WHAT YOU SAY&#33;
*runs and hides in dark corner and cries*
It does exist, it does exist, it does exist, it does exist..... [/b][/quote]
yeah, that having sex with bunnies thing kind of disturbs me

[Derek The Infamous]

Okay, and that last post was needed why? This is a debate, not a slag fest.

[Jila]

Originally posted by Derek@May 2 2004, 05:58 PM
Okay, and that last post was needed why? This is a debate, not a slag fest.
im pretty sure our little debate was over because hes not even in the forums anymore. i was just stating that the thing suicidalmelodies said was creepy.

[suicidalmelodies]

Originally posted by Derek@May 3 2004, 01:58 AM
Okay, and that last post was needed why? This is a debate, not a slag fest.
Im sorry..... :&#39;(

But how was what I said creepy? All I said was having sex LIKE bunnies.... not with them...... JEEZ&#33; You have a dirty mind.... hehe, like me... but I dont think of bunnies that way... I swear.

[Jila]

Originally posted by suicidalmelodies+May 2 2004, 06:06 PM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (suicidalmelodies @ May 2 2004, 06:06 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> <!--QuoteBegin--Derek@May 3 2004, 01:58 AM
Okay, and that last post was needed why? This is a debate, not a slag fest.
Im sorry..... :&#39;(

But how was what I said creepy? All I said was having sex LIKE bunnies.... not with them...... JEEZ&#33; You have a dirty mind.... hehe, like me... but I dont think of bunnies that way... I swear. [/b][/quote]
oh&#33;&#33; :lol:

i was like zoophiliac.. gross

[suicidalmelodies]

Originally posted by PyRoMaNiaK@May 3 2004, 02:10 AM
Im sorry..... :&#39;(

But how was what I said creepy? All I said was having sex LIKE bunnies.... not with them...... JEEZ&#33; You have a dirty mind.... hehe, like me... but I dont think of bunnies that way... I swear.
oh&#33;&#33; :lol:

i was like zoophiliac.. gross [/quote]
Haha, zoophiliac... Im gonna have to use that one.... :D

[Derek The Infamous]

Originally posted by suicidalmelodies@May 2 2004, 09:15 PM

Im sorry..... :&#39;(

But how was what I said creepy? All I said was having sex LIKE bunnies.... not with them...... JEEZ&#33; You have a dirty mind.... hehe, like me... but I dont think of bunnies that way... I swear.
oh&#33;&#33; :lol:

i was like zoophiliac.. gross
Haha, zoophiliac... Im gonna have to use that one.... :D [/quote]
I just say "Beastiality Lover".

[suicidalmelodies]

Originally posted by Derek@May 3 2004, 02:16 AM


Im sorry..... :&#39;(

But how was what I said creepy? All I said was having sex LIKE bunnies.... not with them...... JEEZ&#33; You have a dirty mind.... hehe, like me... but I dont think of bunnies that way... I swear.
oh&#33;&#33; :lol:

i was like zoophiliac.. gross
Haha, zoophiliac... Im gonna have to use that one.... :D
I just say "Beastiality Lover". [/quote]
*laughs her ass off&#33;*

[Derek The Infamous]

Originally posted by suicidalmelodies@May 2 2004, 09:19 PM



Im sorry..... :&#39;(

But how was what I said creepy? All I said was having sex LIKE bunnies.... not with them...... JEEZ&#33; You have a dirty mind.... hehe, like me... but I dont think of bunnies that way... I swear.
oh&#33;&#33; :lol:

i was like zoophiliac.. gross
Haha, zoophiliac... Im gonna have to use that one.... :D
I just say "Beastiality Lover".
*laughs her ass off&#33;* [/quote]
For some odd reason the quote isnt working in your posts. I think I know what&#39;s happening however, if you are typing where it says "Edit Post To Be Quoted" please do not do that, it screws up the quotation code I believe and leaves the quote area to be a jumbled mess that doesn&#39;t look the way it should.

[suicidalmelodies]

I didnt do that though.... its probably my computer.... its a piece of crap

Sorry about the quotation thing though.

[Derek The Infamous]

Originally posted by suicidalmelodies@May 2 2004, 09:36 PM
I didnt do that though.... its probably my computer.... its a piece of crap

Sorry about the quotation thing though.
No problem. If I knew the reason it was doing that I&#39;d help.

[Anya]

I like your theory Pyro. I agree with yours the most so far.

Mine&#39;s the strangest out of anyones I think. I like to think beyond everything until it turns out so strange it&#39;s actually believable. :lol:

[suicidalmelodies]

Originally posted by Anya@May 3 2004, 10:52 AM
I like your theory Pyro. I agree with yours the most so far.

Mine&#39;s the strangest out of anyones I think. I like to think beyond everything until it turns out so strange it&#39;s actually believable. :lol:
What about mine?
*cries in dark corner* :&#39;(

[Tomi]

*too lazy to read everybody&#39;s posts except anya&#39;s*

Well, i think of i 2 ways:
1) Ever hear of the game &#39;Black&White&#39;? Its very similar to life, there&#39;s 2 creatures, one&#39;s good (god), other is evil (satin). I havent played the game yet (even thou i own it) but basically its 2 creatures (aka gods), are controlling the earth or w/e it is and saving the world (good), or making complete mayhem of it (evil). [well, that&#39;s what i heard its like].

2) Nothing controls us, we&#39;re at free will till we die. [now that we got that over lets continue]. Outside of our universe is undiscovered currently but there&#39;s possibily a infinite number of universes and in each universe there&#39;s a earth, mars, sun, uranus, saturn, pluto, etc. [i dont know my planets very well..heh]. Somewhere - we dont know where - is a heaven and a hell. In the bible it says that ur transported to heaven/hell in a blink of the eye [or something like that] where they are, is unknown like i said.

Life = very, very, very complicated.

[Suffice]

My life theory is:
1) Corey Taylor is god.
2) Life without slipknot is a waste of oxygen

The End.

[Radical Dreamer]

Originally posted by Suffice@May 3 2004, 05:05 PM
My life theory is:
1) Corey Taylor is god.
2) Life without slipknot is a waste or oxygen

The End.
:lol:

Anyway, this is pretty deep. I try not to think too much about things like this because it gets me all depressed. :( Obviously I believe in God so I don&#39;t think anyone&#39;s controlling us. If we were given free will, then we must be responsible for our own actions. Nobody decides for things to happen to us apart from ourselves. As for the universe thing, we&#39;re too insignificant to ever know what&#39;s beyond our planet. The universe = infinity. As of now, there is no end and there is no beginning. It&#39;s been expanding ever since it came into existence. As for how the universe came to exist, I wouldn&#39;t want to think about it because my brain is aching. :(

[Will]

God doesn&#39;t exist and He didn&#39;t create the universe. Religion, such as Christianity, is just like the ancient Greek myths. Everyone then made those stories up to explain things that they couldn&#39;t otherwise explain, such as rainstorms or floods. Soon after Greek myths went away, Christianity came about. It&#39;s the same concept. It&#39;s just that Christianity caught on more for some reason. None of it&#39;s real and I&#39;d like you religious folk to prove to me, without using a book or saying "it&#39;s what I believe in," that this "God" exist. He didn&#39;t exist, and neither did Jesus; just like Zeus never existed and Heracles never existed.

-edit-
In other words: The Greek and Roman myths are much like religions. They were security blankets. The myths and stories were there so the people could explain how certain things happened. Religion is much the same way. They needed to figure out a way to explain why we&#39;re on the planet, so they made up a divine entity that created us. None of it&#39;s real. It&#39;s all just a security blanket for people who don&#39;t want to believe in what&#39;s real to hide under. Simple as that.

[Derek The Infamous]

Amazing opinion Will. I know it might spark a heavy debate but I have to say I respected what you said a lot.

[Shade]

Originally posted by Will@May 3 2004, 07:43 PM
God doesn&#39;t exist and He didn&#39;t create the universe. Religion, such as Christianity, is just like the ancient Greek myths. Everyone then made those stories up to explain things that they couldn&#39;t otherwise explain, such as rainstorms or floods. Soon after Greek myths went away, Christianity came about. It&#39;s the same concept. It&#39;s just that Christianity caught on more for some reason. None of it&#39;s real and I&#39;d like you religious folk to prove to me, without using a book or saying "it&#39;s what I believe in," that this "God" exist. He didn&#39;t exist, and neither did Jesus; just like Zeus never existed and Heracles never existed.

-edit-
In other words: The Greek and Roman myths are much like religions. They were security blankets. The myths and stories were there so the people could explain how certain things happened. Religion is much the same way. They needed to figure out a way to explain why we&#39;re on the planet, so they made up a divine entity that created us. None of it&#39;s real. It&#39;s all just a security blanket for people who don&#39;t want to believe in what&#39;s real to hide under. Simple as that.
I agree with most everything you said, I&#39;m not religious, quite the opposite actually. Despite this, there is substantial proof that Jesus existed, though his life is most definately dramatized in the Bible. But it is incorrect to say that he didn&#39;t exist, I believe its been proven.

I don&#39;t believe in God, or heaven and hell. I see religion as a tool. It has been used to inspire people to &#39;fight for their country because God&#39;s on their side&#33;&#39; (while god is on every other person&#39;s side at the same time interestingly enough). Its also been used as a scapegoat. I cannot stand it when people talk about fate. "I was fated to fail that test", "such and such a person was fated to die". BULLSH*T. People make decisions, whether you like it or not, and lives change accordingly. If there is a God, then I would like nothing more than to punch him square in the nose. Remember this quote, "with great power comes great responsibility". God&#39;s seriously f&#39;d up his job in my opinion if he exists. How can he justify letting some innocent people die and let others live.

Religion is used as a means for people to not take responsibility for their actions.

[Will]

Originally posted by Shade@May 3 2004, 03:14 PM
I agree with most everything you said, I&#39;m not religious, quite the opposite actually. Despite this, there is substantial proof that Jesus existed, though his life is most definately dramatized in the Bible. But it is incorrect to say that he didn&#39;t exist, I believe its been proven.
Well, I just don&#39;t think he existed. He might&#39;ve existed, but I honestly don&#39;t think so. Sure, they have that shroud thing, but that could&#39;ve been anybody buried underneath it, you know? They don&#39;t have an fossils or anything to prove that he existed. So, until they have concrete, solid proof that they can shoot me in the face with, I won&#39;t believe he existed. Just like I won&#39;t believe that that Moses fella lived to be, what? 900 years old? :lol:

[Derek The Infamous]

Originally posted by Will+May 3 2004, 03:22 PM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (Will @ May 3 2004, 03:22 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> <!--QuoteBegin--Shade@May 3 2004, 03:14 PM
I agree with most everything you said, I&#39;m not religious, quite the opposite actually. Despite this, there is substantial proof that Jesus existed, though his life is most definately dramatized in the Bible. But it is incorrect to say that he didn&#39;t exist, I believe its been proven.
Well, I just don&#39;t think he existed. He might&#39;ve existed, but I honestly don&#39;t think so. Sure, they have that shroud thing, but that could&#39;ve been anybody buried underneath it, you know? They don&#39;t have an fossils or anything to prove that he existed. So, until they have concrete, solid proof that they can shoot me in the face with, I won&#39;t believe he existed. Just like I won&#39;t believe that that Moses fella lived to be, what? 900 years old? :lol: [/b][/quote]
14,285 years to date to be exact. How do I know? I&#39;m moses.

[Anya]

Originally posted by Derek+May 3 2004, 03:33 PM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (Derek @ May 3 2004, 03:33 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'>
Originally posted by -Will@May 3 2004, 03:22 PM
<!--QuoteBegin--Shade@May 3 2004, 03:14 PM
I agree with most everything you said, I&#39;m not religious, quite the opposite actually. Despite this, there is substantial proof that Jesus existed, though his life is most definately dramatized in the Bible. But it is incorrect to say that he didn&#39;t exist, I believe its been proven.
Well, I just don&#39;t think he existed. He might&#39;ve existed, but I honestly don&#39;t think so. Sure, they have that shroud thing, but that could&#39;ve been anybody buried underneath it, you know? They don&#39;t have an fossils or anything to prove that he existed. So, until they have concrete, solid proof that they can shoot me in the face with, I won&#39;t believe he existed. Just like I won&#39;t believe that that Moses fella lived to be, what? 900 years old? :lol:
14,285 years to date to be exact. How do I know? I&#39;m moses. [/b][/quote]
:lol:

[Michele890]

Originally posted by Will@May 3 2004, 07:43 PM
God doesn&#39;t exist and He didn&#39;t create the universe. Religion, such as Christianity, is just like the ancient Greek myths. Everyone then made those stories up to explain things that they couldn&#39;t otherwise explain, such as rainstorms or floods. Soon after Greek myths went away, Christianity came about. It&#39;s the same concept. It&#39;s just that Christianity caught on more for some reason. None of it&#39;s real and I&#39;d like you religious folk to prove to me, without using a book or saying "it&#39;s what I believe in," that this "God" exist. He didn&#39;t exist, and neither did Jesus; just like Zeus never existed and Heracles never existed.

-edit-
In other words: The Greek and Roman myths are much like religions. They were security blankets. The myths and stories were there so the people could explain how certain things happened. Religion is much the same way. They needed to figure out a way to explain why we&#39;re on the planet, so they made up a divine entity that created us. None of it&#39;s real. It&#39;s all just a security blanket for people who don&#39;t want to believe in what&#39;s real to hide under. Simple as that.
Link04; YAY I thought I was alone lol Thank god.

I feel bad for everyone on here....... God.... I don&#39;t really know what to say but, I didn&#39;t believe in God, But man serisouly..... how could you believe in love and not think God exsists? Jeez...... You kids must have a really tortured life because you all sound really, really desperate for hope.... :mellow: And Will, God I would hate to have your point of view. No wonder our generation is on Prozac man. No matter what anyone thinks, there HAS to be someone or something else out there that created al this amazing life has. You can&#39;t honestly live and love and be loved and not have any faith for anything but your little scientific theries. It&#39;s really f@#&#036;ed up that you can love someone and only believe in that chemical ####. I&#39;m not saying I&#39;m into religion, but I do to church. I&#39;m not a bible hugger because I don&#39;t believe in the bible, just so you don&#39;t jump the gun and assume I only have my believes to have a safety blanket. Don&#39;t over analize everything to make your self sound superior and find your hope dude.

[Anya]

I think god&#39;s really a midget.

[lp_dreamer]

im don&#39;t know why where here and all of those things but i dont go around fussing over religion and going to heaven and so on because i believe in living for today not tomorow what is the point of being on earth if there is some place better and i dont get how there could be such thing as heaven or hell. And there is so many religions which one is right? or is it that if you believe in it , it will happen? does that mean i&#39;ll become a ghost because im not religous and have a place to go after death?

and i believe in aliens :alien: hehe i think that somewhere so far away in space that it would take thousands of years to get there so its too far away to get to (won&#39;t be able to have enough feul to last for that long) there is another would like this one. and one day id like to explore the bermuda triangle

[Derek The Infamous]

Originally posted by Anya@May 4 2004, 06:25 AM
I think god&#39;s really a midget.
God: "I smote thee."

JK, midgets rule.

[Shade]

Originally posted by Michele890+May 4 2004, 09:49 AM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (Michele890 @ May 4 2004, 09:49 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> <!--QuoteBegin--Will@May 3 2004, 07:43 PM
God doesn&#39;t exist and He didn&#39;t create the universe. Religion, such as Christianity, is just like the ancient Greek myths. Everyone then made those stories up to explain things that they couldn&#39;t otherwise explain, such as rainstorms or floods. Soon after Greek myths went away, Christianity came about. It&#39;s the same concept. It&#39;s just that Christianity caught on more for some reason. None of it&#39;s real and I&#39;d like you religious folk to prove to me, without using a book or saying "it&#39;s what I believe in," that this "God" exist. He didn&#39;t exist, and neither did Jesus; just like Zeus never existed and Heracles never existed.

-edit-
In other words: The Greek and Roman myths are much like religions. They were security blankets. The myths and stories were there so the people could explain how certain things happened. Religion is much the same way. They needed to figure out a way to explain why we&#39;re on the planet, so they made up a divine entity that created us. None of it&#39;s real. It&#39;s all just a security blanket for people who don&#39;t want to believe in what&#39;s real to hide under. Simple as that.
Link04; YAY I thought I was alone lol Thank god.

I feel bad for everyone on here....... God.... I don&#39;t really know what to say but, I didn&#39;t believe in God, But man serisouly..... how could you believe in love and not think God exsists? Jeez...... You kids must have a really tortured life because you all sound really, really desperate for hope.... :mellow: And Will, God I would hate to have your point of view. No wonder our generation is on Prozac man. No matter what anyone thinks, there HAS to be someone or something else out there that created al this amazing life has. You can&#39;t honestly live and love and be loved and not have any faith for anything but your little scientific theries. It&#39;s really f@#&#036;ed up that you can love someone and only believe in that chemical ####. I&#39;m not saying I&#39;m into religion, but I do to church. I&#39;m not a bible hugger because I don&#39;t believe in the bible, just so you don&#39;t jump the gun and assume I only have my believes to have a safety blanket. Don&#39;t over analize everything to make your self sound superior and find your hope dude. [/b][/quote]
Um...well sorry but just because I don&#39;t believe in God doesn&#39;t mean I lead a tortured life... In fact its quite the opposite. I get the impression that many religious people think that those who are &#39;disbelievers&#39; are always in this state of confusion, searching for the &#39;answers&#39; to the &#39;bigger questions&#39; that &#39;clearly God is the answer to&#39;. Well, sorry to dissapoint you but that&#39;s not the case at all, at least not with me. I don&#39;t lead any more confused a life than the next guy and I sure as hell don&#39;t think I&#39;m tortured. (Unless I have someone hell bent on converting me to x religion, not that anyones done that here). Love is an emotion, it has evolved from the basic instincts of creatures to desire companionship. Very few animals prefer to survive alone, humans have simply given this desire a title and made it formal. It has nothing to do with God, the church simply decided they&#39;d take over the whole marriage thing because &#39;clearly that is something God made&#39;. Emotions come from instincts, instincts develop from needs of a creature from their environment. A human needs oxygen to live, so we breathe instinctively. There is no mystical force that allows me to breathe, just as there is no mystical force that allows me to love. So yes I can "honestly live and love and be loved and not have any faith for anything but your little scientific theries"

Oh, but I guess I&#39;m wrong since "It&#39;s really f@#&#036;ed up that you can love someone and only believe in that chemical ####." I think I&#39;ll go pray to Venus since I can&#39;t have love without religious beliefs, OH WAIT, Venus isn&#39;t a REAL God, only ours is, I forgot.

[Neil]

Here&#39;s my two cents.


There is no point trying to figure out what life is/was/is going to be. It is way beyond our current comprehention of anything comprehensible. Everybody has a religion or a theory, and they all believe them to be true. Everyone can&#39;t be right. But who&#39;s to say that one or another is right... What if there is no such concept of &#39;right&#39;.

What if our understanding of the world is completely wrong because we are not as advanced as we would like to think. What if there is no such thing as a &#39;planet&#39;. Or a &#39;galaxy&#39;. Or &#39;mollecular structure&#39;...

Think about this one

If there was no such thing as &#39;life&#39;, would there be Earth, a galaxy... anything? It&#39;s just like the tree falling in the forest question. Nobody knows for sure...

I have to stop because I&#39;m getting so confused, I can&#39;t remember what I&#39;m talking about...

[Will]

Originally posted by Shade+May 4 2004, 11:36 AM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (Shade @ May 4 2004, 11:36 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'>
Originally posted by -Michele890@May 4 2004, 09:49 AM
<!--QuoteBegin--Will@May 3 2004, 07:43 PM
God doesn&#39;t exist and He didn&#39;t create the universe. Religion, such as Christianity, is just like the ancient Greek myths. Everyone then made those stories up to explain things that they couldn&#39;t otherwise explain, such as rainstorms or floods. Soon after Greek myths went away, Christianity came about. It&#39;s the same concept. It&#39;s just that Christianity caught on more for some reason. None of it&#39;s real and I&#39;d like you religious folk to prove to me, without using a book or saying "it&#39;s what I believe in," that this "God" exist. He didn&#39;t exist, and neither did Jesus; just like Zeus never existed and Heracles never existed.

-edit-
In other words: The Greek and Roman myths are much like religions. They were security blankets. The myths and stories were there so the people could explain how certain things happened. Religion is much the same way. They needed to figure out a way to explain why we&#39;re on the planet, so they made up a divine entity that created us. None of it&#39;s real. It&#39;s all just a security blanket for people who don&#39;t want to believe in what&#39;s real to hide under. Simple as that.
Link04; YAY I thought I was alone lol Thank god.

I feel bad for everyone on here....... God.... I don&#39;t really know what to say but, I didn&#39;t believe in God, But man serisouly..... how could you believe in love and not think God exsists? Jeez...... You kids must have a really tortured life because you all sound really, really desperate for hope.... :mellow: And Will, God I would hate to have your point of view. No wonder our generation is on Prozac man. No matter what anyone thinks, there HAS to be someone or something else out there that created al this amazing life has. You can&#39;t honestly live and love and be loved and not have any faith for anything but your little scientific theries. It&#39;s really f@#&#036;ed up that you can love someone and only believe in that chemical ####. I&#39;m not saying I&#39;m into religion, but I do to church. I&#39;m not a bible hugger because I don&#39;t believe in the bible, just so you don&#39;t jump the gun and assume I only have my believes to have a safety blanket. Don&#39;t over analize everything to make your self sound superior and find your hope dude.
Um...well sorry but just because I don&#39;t believe in God doesn&#39;t mean I lead a tortured life... In fact its quite the opposite. I get the impression that many religious people think that those who are &#39;disbelievers&#39; are always in this state of confusion, searching for the &#39;answers&#39; to the &#39;bigger questions&#39; that &#39;clearly God is the answer to&#39;. Well, sorry to dissapoint you but that&#39;s not the case at all, at least not with me. I don&#39;t lead any more confused a life than the next guy and I sure as hell don&#39;t think I&#39;m tortured. (Unless I have someone hell bent on converting me to x religion, not that anyones done that here). Love is an emotion, it has evolved from the basic instincts of creatures to desire companionship. Very few animals prefer to survive alone, humans have simply given this desire a title and made it formal. It has nothing to do with God, the church simply decided they&#39;d take over the whole marriage thing because &#39;clearly that is something God made&#39;. Emotions come from instincts, instincts develop from needs of a creature from their environment. A human needs oxygen to live, so we breathe instinctively. There is no mystical force that allows me to breathe, just as there is no mystical force that allows me to love. So yes I can "honestly live and love and be loved and not have any faith for anything but your little scientific theries"

Oh, but I guess I&#39;m wrong since "It&#39;s really f@#&#036;ed up that you can love someone and only believe in that chemical ####." I think I&#39;ll go pray to Venus since I can&#39;t have love without religious beliefs, OH WAIT, Venus isn&#39;t a REAL God, only ours is, I forgot. [/b][/quote]
I agree with everything you said. Love is an instinct, and you don&#39;t need a "God" to tell you that you&#39;re in love with someone. I stopped believing in "God" when my grandfather died. If this "God" loved me and loved my family, wouldn&#39;t have have, you know, stopped my grandfather from dying? Of course not. Why? Because he doesn&#39;t exist. And also because leukemia, you know, isn&#39;t something that can be zapped away by praying to a cloud. I&#39;ve lived the past 8 years of my life (since I stopped believing in "God") perfectly fine and I haven&#39;t had any problems. That right there proves that you don&#39;t need a "God" to be happy or live your life to its fullest or any of those other proverbial sayings.

I&#39;m so sorry (note: extreme sarcasm) that I don&#39;t believe in this "God" when everything that we&#39;ve come to know has been proven to have evolved scientifically. They&#39;ve been able to prove that life was indeed created by a bunch of chemicals being sparked by electricity. They recreated the environment that would&#39;ve existed then and sparked the chemicals with electricity. Within hours they had hundreds of these little bacteria-like creatures in the little environment they recreated. I also love how, in the "Bible Ages," people would "talk to &#39;God&#39;" and whatnot. Why doesn&#39;t anyone talk to "God" anymore? Is it because he doesn&#39;t exist? Oh, I&#39;m sorry. That&#39;s blasphemy. Of course he exists. Just like Zeus existed and threw thunderbolts down on everyone when they pissed him off.

[Michele890]

Originally posted by Will+May 4 2004, 06:44 PM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (Will @ May 4 2004, 06:44 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'>
Originally posted by -Shade@May 4 2004, 11:36 AM

Originally posted by -Michele890@May 4 2004, 09:49 AM
<!--QuoteBegin--Will@May 3 2004, 07:43 PM
God doesn&#39;t exist and He didn&#39;t create the universe. Religion, such as Christianity, is just like the ancient Greek myths. Everyone then made those stories up to explain things that they couldn&#39;t otherwise explain, such as rainstorms or floods. Soon after Greek myths went away, Christianity came about. It&#39;s the same concept. It&#39;s just that Christianity caught on more for some reason. None of it&#39;s real and I&#39;d like you religious folk to prove to me, without using a book or saying "it&#39;s what I believe in," that this "God" exist. He didn&#39;t exist, and neither did Jesus; just like Zeus never existed and Heracles never existed.

-edit-
In other words: The Greek and Roman myths are much like religions. They were security blankets. The myths and stories were there so the people could explain how certain things happened. Religion is much the same way. They needed to figure out a way to explain why we&#39;re on the planet, so they made up a divine entity that created us. None of it&#39;s real. It&#39;s all just a security blanket for people who don&#39;t want to believe in what&#39;s real to hide under. Simple as that.
Link04; YAY I thought I was alone lol Thank god.

I feel bad for everyone on here....... God.... I don&#39;t really know what to say but, I didn&#39;t believe in God, But man serisouly..... how could you believe in love and not think God exsists? Jeez...... You kids must have a really tortured life because you all sound really, really desperate for hope.... :mellow: And Will, God I would hate to have your point of view. No wonder our generation is on Prozac man. No matter what anyone thinks, there HAS to be someone or something else out there that created al this amazing life has. You can&#39;t honestly live and love and be loved and not have any faith for anything but your little scientific theries. It&#39;s really f@#&#036;ed up that you can love someone and only believe in that chemical ####. I&#39;m not saying I&#39;m into religion, but I do to church. I&#39;m not a bible hugger because I don&#39;t believe in the bible, just so you don&#39;t jump the gun and assume I only have my believes to have a safety blanket. Don&#39;t over analize everything to make your self sound superior and find your hope dude.
Um...well sorry but just because I don&#39;t believe in God doesn&#39;t mean I lead a tortured life... In fact its quite the opposite. I get the impression that many religious people think that those who are &#39;disbelievers&#39; are always in this state of confusion, searching for the &#39;answers&#39; to the &#39;bigger questions&#39; that &#39;clearly God is the answer to&#39;. Well, sorry to dissapoint you but that&#39;s not the case at all, at least not with me. I don&#39;t lead any more confused a life than the next guy and I sure as hell don&#39;t think I&#39;m tortured. (Unless I have someone hell bent on converting me to x religion, not that anyones done that here). Love is an emotion, it has evolved from the basic instincts of creatures to desire companionship. Very few animals prefer to survive alone, humans have simply given this desire a title and made it formal. It has nothing to do with God, the church simply decided they&#39;d take over the whole marriage thing because &#39;clearly that is something God made&#39;. Emotions come from instincts, instincts develop from needs of a creature from their environment. A human needs oxygen to live, so we breathe instinctively. There is no mystical force that allows me to breathe, just as there is no mystical force that allows me to love. So yes I can "honestly live and love and be loved and not have any faith for anything but your little scientific theries"

Oh, but I guess I&#39;m wrong since "It&#39;s really f@#&#036;ed up that you can love someone and only believe in that chemical ####." I think I&#39;ll go pray to Venus since I can&#39;t have love without religious beliefs, OH WAIT, Venus isn&#39;t a REAL God, only ours is, I forgot.
I agree with everything you said. Love is an instinct, and you don&#39;t need a "God" to tell you that you&#39;re in love with someone. I stopped believing in "God" when my grandfather died. If this "God" loved me and loved my family, wouldn&#39;t have have, you know, stopped my grandfather from dying? Of course not. Why? Because he doesn&#39;t exist. And also because leukemia, you know, isn&#39;t something that can be zapped away by praying to a cloud. I&#39;ve lived the past 8 years of my life (since I stopped believing in "God") perfectly fine and I haven&#39;t had any problems. That right there proves that you don&#39;t need a "God" to be happy or live your life to its fullest or any of those other proverbial sayings.

I&#39;m so sorry (note: extreme sarcasm) that I don&#39;t believe in this "God" when everything that we&#39;ve come to know has been proven to have evolved scientifically. They&#39;ve been able to prove that life was indeed created by a bunch of chemicals being sparked by electricity. They recreated the environment that would&#39;ve existed then and sparked the chemicals with electricity. Within hours they had hundreds of these little bacteria-like creatures in the little environment they recreated. I also love how, in the "Bible Ages," people would "talk to &#39;God&#39;" and whatnot. Why doesn&#39;t anyone talk to "God" anymore? Is it because he doesn&#39;t exist? Oh, I&#39;m sorry. That&#39;s blasphemy. Of course he exists. Just like Zeus existed and threw thunderbolts down on everyone when they pissed him off. [/b][/quote]
I agree with you, Shade, but see that was definatly not my point of view at all. I was definatly not saying if you don&#39;t believe in God that your lost. I was talking about hope, because I honestly am not even sure if I believe in God, just a higher power. And I meant if you have no hope in anything but all that chemical stuff you all are saying, THAT is sad. I know I am tortured not having hope. and again, GOD DAMN. You all DO sound torchured. Stop just reading scienctist and get faith in something else. I was saying, if you feel in love, feeling that emotion, HOW could you not beleive in a higher power? And that whole Marriage/church thing, I don&#39;t believe in, so why are you putting that in my mouth? Again, all I was saying about love is if you ever felt that way, then how could you just rely on dust to give you your partner? You guys must only here what you want, On every ####### post about life all you LPA&#39;ers list the scientific ####.

And Will? People die. God isn&#39;t there to make your life perfect. That was really harsh but, Damn. I stopped believing in God when I found out my mom does pot and my dad dosen&#39;t want me and both sides of my family or f^cked up and don&#39;t love me either. But again, God wasn&#39;t there to stop all the bad #### in my life from happening, because trust me I have had more than my fair share, he was there to give me hope that life would get better. Do any of you get what I&#39;m saying? Come to think of it, maybe There is no god. Maybe though, "God" is there to give people hope and make them better humans. I sure as hell no he&#39;s there for hope. Do you get what I&#39;m saying?? Dude, none of my post was to make anyone run to their nearist church and go teach people about how other PEOPLE tell them god wants them to live. It was mainly to open a persons mind and maybe give them hope. Not in "god", but for something. Sorry if I offended either of you I get both your points. Obviously you didn&#39;t get mine.

[Will]

Don&#39;t get your panties in a bunch just because we don&#39;t agree with what you&#39;re saying.

[Derek The Infamous]

Originally posted by Will@May 4 2004, 02:50 PM
Don&#39;t get your panties in a bunch just because we don&#39;t agree with what you&#39;re saying.
Exactly, thinking someone is tortured just because they choose to believe that religion is bullsh*t is being purely accusational and ignorant.

[Michele890]

Originally posted by Will@May 4 2004, 07:50 PM
Don&#39;t get your panties in a bunch just because we don&#39;t agree with what you&#39;re saying.
Damn, did you even read what I wrote back to you? I didn&#39;t say ANYTHINg about you agreeing with me man, we were all just trying to state our opinions. I was purely clearing you up.

[Will]

Originally posted by Michele890+May 4 2004, 02:58 PM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (Michele890 @ May 4 2004, 02:58 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> <!--QuoteBegin--Will@May 4 2004, 07:50 PM
Don&#39;t get your panties in a bunch just because we don&#39;t agree with what you&#39;re saying.
Damn, did you even read what I wrote back to you? I didn&#39;t say ANYTHINg about you agreeing with me man, we were all just trying to state our opinions. I was purely clearing you up. [/b][/quote]
Clearing me up? There was nothing to clear up. I was perfectly clear. You&#39;re the one who thinks I&#39;m tortured because I choose to believe in the facts instead of a guy that doesn&#39;t exist.

[Mark]

I don&#39;t believe in God and I&#39;m an Atheist.

What I think is somewhat discouraging is when people actually depend on "God" to live their lives. It&#39;s just a proverbial security blanket for those who are confused or scared about certain circumstances. People often mask the truth behind religion by saying "it was in God&#39;s doing". No, it wasn&#39;t. All organisms on this planet interact with one another and obviously some messed-up things (both "miracles" and tragedies) are going to happen. You can&#39;t say it was God&#39;s doing and get it over with. Leaving things like that alone is what makes some problems worse.

For example, if you&#39;ve got a disease or something wrong with your health, praying to god isn&#39;t going to change anything. Don&#39;t wait for others to help you, help yourself or get help from another human being. Don&#39;t just lie there defenseless and vulnerable, do things for yourself.

Another thing that annoys me is how people call things like birth &#39;god&#39;s miracles&#39;. Uh...no. Two people get together, a sperm cell finds it&#39;s way, and nine months later you&#39;ve got a baby. Nothing religious there, it&#39;s just the way things react with one another.

That&#39;s my opinion.

[Michele890]

Originally posted by Will+May 4 2004, 08:03 PM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (Will @ May 4 2004, 08:03 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'>
Originally posted by -Michele890@May 4 2004, 02:58 PM
<!--QuoteBegin--Will@May 4 2004, 07:50 PM
Don&#39;t get your panties in a bunch just because we don&#39;t agree with what you&#39;re saying.
Damn, did you even read what I wrote back to you? I didn&#39;t say ANYTHINg about you agreeing with me man, we were all just trying to state our opinions. I was purely clearing you up.
Clearing me up? There was nothing to clear up. I was perfectly clear. You&#39;re the one who thinks I&#39;m tortured because I choose to believe in the facts instead of a guy that doesn&#39;t exist. [/b][/quote]
Oh my ####### god dude. Everyone on here ####### twists my words around so they can say ####. That&#39;s NOT what I was even ####### saying. I cleared you two up on what I MEANT not what you thought I meant. I only said tortued because with no hope, life sucks. Atleast it did for me. You must have not listened to anything I said. I didn&#39;t even suggest to believe in God. All I have been saying all along is that God is hope for alot of people. I said you should find some hope instead of thinking everything in your life has to be bad. There&#39;s a reason for everything. Look I&#39;m sorry, I just want to open someones mind and MAYBE give someone hope in SOMETHING, so be it if thats not God. And just so everyone knows, I didn&#39;t mean tortured how you think. I meant if you have no hope or faith in anything but science, that must be torcher.

[Michele890]

Originally posted by Mark@May 4 2004, 08:05 PM
I don&#39;t believe in God and I&#39;m an Atheist.

What I think is somewhat discouraging is when people actually depend on "God" to live their lives. It&#39;s just a proverbial security blanket for those who are confused or scared about certain circumstances. People often mask the truth behind religion by saying "it was in God&#39;s doing". No, it wasn&#39;t. All organisms on this planet interact with one another and obviously some messed-up things (both "miracles" and tragedies) are going to happen. You can&#39;t say it was God&#39;s doing and get it over with. Leaving things like that alone is what makes some problems worse.

For example, if you&#39;ve got a disease or something wrong with your health, praying to god isn&#39;t going to change anything. Don&#39;t wait for others to help you, help yourself or get help from another human being. Don&#39;t just lie there defenseless and vulnerable, do things for yourself.

Another thing that annoys me is how people call things like birth &#39;god&#39;s miracles&#39;. Uh...no. Two people get together, a sperm cell finds it&#39;s way, and nine months later you&#39;ve got a baby. Nothing religious there, it&#39;s just the way things react with one another.

That&#39;s my opinion.
lol. That was really inciteful (sp?) People do cling to their theories. But I can&#39;t really blame them. I mean.... Reality is harsh, but for example, I don&#39;t beleive in religion and not sure about god, but believeing in SOMETHING gives you hope, ya know?

And I think with the baby thing.... This is exactly what I was trying to say. People are overwhelmed and can&#39;t imagen having something so amazing happening without a "God" I&#39;ve never thought of it as people thinking God made it.. but lol yeah. Good point.

[Will]

Don&#39;t double post.

[Michele890]

Originally posted by Will@May 4 2004, 08:17 PM
Don&#39;t double post.
I didn&#39;t mean to I didn&#39;t even think about it.

[Shade]

"I was talking about hope, because I honestly am not even sure if I believe in God, just a higher power. And I meant if you have no hope in anything but all that chemical stuff you all are saying, THAT is sad."

Yes, because believing in scientific phenominon is so much more sad and worthless than living one&#39;s life by a book that was written by tons and tons of people with tons of room for bias, limited proof, countless contradictions and mystical superheroes.

"I know I am tortured not having hope. and again, GOD DAMN. You all DO sound torchured. Stop just reading scienctist and get faith in something else."

Where do I sound tortured? Last I checked my entire post was completely positive about my life in general, so I guess your just making that up, or as you like to put it, putting words in my mouth. Yeah, I guess those 6 years of science in grade school were completley pointless, I should just forget all of them. While we&#39;re at it, lets ban the teaching of evolution too.

"I was saying, if you feel in love, feeling that emotion, HOW could you not beleive in a higher power?"

Already explained this in my last post. Next time try reading it.

"And that whole Marriage/church thing, I don&#39;t believe in, so why are you putting that in my mouth?"

By saying one should believe in higher powers if they believe in love, you are implicitly saying that marriage (a function of love) is related to higher powers ie God. The church relates to god, hence comes my statements about marriage relating to the church. So no I "did not put words in your mouth". I was simply defending how one could believe in love without believing in a higher power, you know, the part you didn&#39;t read.

"All I have been saying all along is that God is hope for alot of people."

No, what you&#39;ve been saying is how we, members of the LPA, should stop reading "scientific crap" and believe in higher powers. That&#39;s what this whole argument is about.

And for the last time.... Just because we dont&#39; believe in higher powers doesn&#39;t mean we walk around &#39;tortured&#39; or &#39;hopeless&#39; or anything like that. We live happy lives too.

[Glenn]

I always ask life questions like that and I scare my friends by asking them. It might be fake, it might be a prison, but then the life prison isn&#39;t too bad.

[Michele890]

Originally posted by Shade@May 4 2004, 09:06 PM
"I was talking about hope, because I honestly am not even sure if I believe in God, just a higher power. And I meant if you have no hope in anything but all that chemical stuff you all are saying, THAT is sad."

Yes, because believing in scientific phenominon is so much more sad and worthless than living one&#39;s life by a book that was written by tons and tons of people with tons of room for bias, limited proof, countless contradictions and mystical superheroes.

"I know I am tortured not having hope. and again, GOD DAMN. You all DO sound torchured. Stop just reading scienctist and get faith in something else."

Where do I sound tortured? Last I checked my entire post was completely positive about my life in general, so I guess your just making that up, or as you like to put it, putting words in my mouth. Yeah, I guess those 6 years of science in grade school were completley pointless, I should just forget all of them. While we&#39;re at it, lets ban the teaching of evolution too.

"I was saying, if you feel in love, feeling that emotion, HOW could you not beleive in a higher power?"

Already explained this in my last post. Next time try reading it.

"And that whole Marriage/church thing, I don&#39;t believe in, so why are you putting that in my mouth?"

By saying one should believe in higher powers if they believe in love, you are implicitly saying that marriage (a function of love) is related to higher powers ie God. The church relates to god, hence comes my statements about marriage relating to the church. So no I "did not put words in your mouth". I was simply defending how one could believe in love without believing in a higher power, you know, the part you didn&#39;t read.

"All I have been saying all along is that God is hope for alot of people."

No, what you&#39;ve been saying is how we, members of the LPA, should stop reading "scientific crap" and believe in higher powers. That&#39;s what this whole argument is about.

And for the last time.... Just because we dont&#39; believe in higher powers doesn&#39;t mean we walk around &#39;tortured&#39; or &#39;hopeless&#39; or anything like that. We live happy lives too.
Um look dude, I DID read your post. I read BOTH of your posts very, very theraly down to every word so I could reply. I don&#39;t even think you read mine because I&#39;ve corrected what you thought I meant to what I actually did I don&#39;t know how many times in my replies. SO would you just listen so I don&#39;t have to do this again? I&#39;m sure your trying to make me out to look like you were right this whole time and I&#39;m just dumb, but that&#39;s not the case at all. And stop putting words in my mouth please.


I never ever said ANYTHING about anyone living by The Bible, in like every other post of mine I have said I didn&#39;t believe in it.

And AGAIN, in my last post I CORRECTED your view of what you thought I said. And you OBVIOUSLY wrote it because you did just quote it damn, read it.


And AGAIN I did NOT say "one should believe in a higher power if they believed in love" I asked QUOTED; "How could you have all the feelings of love and not beleive in a higher power?" I was SIMPLY asking you if you would fall in love, how could you not believe ANYTHING but the proof is real?


And NO I did NOT say you "Lpa members should stop reading scientific crap and believe in a higher power"

GOD stop putting #### in my mouth. it&#39;s right there in my post. I SAID, God brings hope to alot of people, ALL I said was "Find your hope" And for the last time, I CLEARED YOU UP HOW MANY TIMES? Dude WTF..... I SAID "I WAS TORTURED NOT HAVING HOPE... " Godddddddd man.

[ass_kicker]

Originally posted by Michele890+May 5 2004, 01:33 AM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (Michele890 @ May 5 2004, 01:33 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> <!--QuoteBegin--Shade@May 4 2004, 09:06 PM
"I was talking about hope, because I honestly am not even sure if I believe in God, just a higher power. And I meant if you have no hope in anything but all that chemical stuff you all are saying, THAT is sad."

Yes, because believing in scientific phenominon is so much more sad and worthless than living one&#39;s life by a book that was written by tons and tons of people with tons of room for bias, limited proof, countless contradictions and mystical superheroes.

"I know I am tortured not having hope. and again, GOD DAMN. You all DO sound torchured. Stop just reading scienctist and get faith in something else."

Where do I sound tortured? Last I checked my entire post was completely positive about my life in general, so I guess your just making that up, or as you like to put it, putting words in my mouth. Yeah, I guess those 6 years of science in grade school were completley pointless, I should just forget all of them. While we&#39;re at it, lets ban the teaching of evolution too.

"I was saying, if you feel in love, feeling that emotion, HOW could you not beleive in a higher power?"

Already explained this in my last post. Next time try reading it.

"And that whole Marriage/church thing, I don&#39;t believe in, so why are you putting that in my mouth?"

By saying one should believe in higher powers if they believe in love, you are implicitly saying that marriage (a function of love) is related to higher powers ie God. The church relates to god, hence comes my statements about marriage relating to the church. So no I "did not put words in your mouth". I was simply defending how one could believe in love without believing in a higher power, you know, the part you didn&#39;t read.

"All I have been saying all along is that God is hope for alot of people."

No, what you&#39;ve been saying is how we, members of the LPA, should stop reading "scientific crap" and believe in higher powers. That&#39;s what this whole argument is about.

And for the last time.... Just because we dont&#39; believe in higher powers doesn&#39;t mean we walk around &#39;tortured&#39; or &#39;hopeless&#39; or anything like that. We live happy lives too.
Um look dude, I DID read your post. I read BOTH of your posts very, very theraly down to every word so I could reply. I don&#39;t even think you read mine because I&#39;ve corrected what you thought I meant to what I actually did I don&#39;t know how many times in my replies. SO would you just listen so I don&#39;t have to do this again? I&#39;m sure your trying to make me out to look like you were right this whole time and I&#39;m just dumb, but that&#39;s not the case at all. And stop putting words in my mouth please.


I never ever said ANYTHING about anyone living by The Bible, in like every other post of mine I have said I didn&#39;t believe in it.

And AGAIN, in my last post I CORRECTED your view of what you thought I said. And you OBVIOUSLY wrote it because you did just quote it damn, read it.


And AGAIN I did NOT say "one should believe in a higher power if they believed in love" I asked QUOTED; "How could you have all the feelings of love and not beleive in a higher power?" I was SIMPLY asking you if you would fall in love, how could you not believe ANYTHING but the proof is real?


And NO I did NOT say you "Lpa members should stop reading scientific crap and believe in a higher power"

GOD stop putting #### in my mouth. it&#39;s right there in my post. I SAID, God brings hope to alot of people, ALL I said was "Find your hope" And for the last time, I CLEARED YOU UP HOW MANY TIMES? Dude WTF..... I SAID "I WAS TORTURED NOT HAVING HOPE... " Godddddddd man. [/b][/quote]
lets all calm down now. breathing, people... :wth:

now. back to life theories... ^_^

[Anya]

Originally posted by ass_kicker@May 5 2004, 04:15 AM
lets all calm down now. breathing, people... :wth:

now. back to life theories... ^_^
:lol:

[Glenn]

So...I have a question. What do u think is "real." Is the life we are living real.

[ass_kicker]

Originally posted by Glenn@May 5 2004, 12:56 PM
So...I have a question. What do u think is "real." Is the life we are living real.
i sometimes believe in the matrix... no, seriously. :mellow: ^_^
but life could be just a dream we&#39;re having...

[Adam]

Originally posted by ass_kicker@May 5 2004, 03:14 PM
but life could be just a dream we&#39;re having...
thats how I want my life to be like
So I could just wake up and start again and prevent myself screwing up at every turn in life

[ella1432]

I&#39;m an atheist. Because, if there is a god out there, would he/she really allow such a doubt to develop about his/her existence?

[Neil]

And here goes Neil&#39;s whole &#39;fate&#39; theory.

Fate - your life, predetermined. It makes sense in many aspects. Firstly, you know those right-place-right-time incidents, they seem impossible, a complete coincidence. What if it was fate. For instance, if I were to say "I want to control my own fate", and run in front of a truck, wouldn&#39;t it just have my fate to jump in front of the truck in the first place?
I believe that Fate makes up for everthing in life where science isn&#39;t. We cannot think fate or anything of the sort was involved in the creation of the world, but we can believe that fate plays a very big role in life as we now know it.

I read someone&#39;s earlier post that &#39;God&#39; got you through hard times and such. How do you know that if you weren&#39;t religious, that nothing would have happened to you anyway? You could have stayed safe and healthy through those hard times if you were Atheist. Correct? - I mean it was totally possible.

If you say &#39;God&#39; saved you from something, how do you know for sure. What if it was just fated to happen? Some people have better fates than other people - that&#39;s just the way things are. If everyone had their way, the world would not function as it was meant to, and life would come to a sudden halt for all eternity.

Seeings as nobody knows for sure what life is, or how it came to be. (I stick by my belief that we still don&#39;t know what we are or who we are). Why are we becoming so compliacated about things? The world as we know it is about music, and food, and fun. A practical world. We know about vehicles and the internet, and the fact that the majority of people need a job, so that they can pay other people to continue their jobs. Maybe things just are, and that&#39;s the end of it.

[ass_kicker]

Originally posted by Neil@May 5 2004, 06:35 PM
And here goes Neil&#39;s whole &#39;fate&#39; theory.

Fate - your life, predetermined. It makes sense in many aspects. Firstly, you know those right-place-right-time incidents, they seem impossible, a complete coincidence. What if it was fate. For instance, if I were to say "I want to control my own fate", and run in front of a truck, wouldn&#39;t it just have my fate to jump in front of the truck in the first place?
I believe that Fate makes up for everthing in life where science isn&#39;t. We cannot think fate or anything of the sort was involved in the creation of the world, but we can believe that fate plays a very big role in life as we now know it.

I read someone&#39;s earlier post that &#39;God&#39; got you through hard times and such. How do you know that if you weren&#39;t religious, that nothing would have happened to you anyway? You could have stayed safe and healthy through those hard times if you were Atheist. Correct? - I mean it was totally possible.

If you say &#39;God&#39; saved you from something, how do you know for sure. What if it was just fated to happen? Some people have better fates than other people - that&#39;s just the way things are. If everyone had their way, the world would not function as it was meant to, and life would come to a sudden halt for all eternity.

Seeings as nobody knows for sure what life is, or how it came to be. (I stick by my belief that we still don&#39;t know what we are or who we are). Why are we becoming so compliacated about things? The world as we know it is about music, and food, and fun. A practical world. We know about vehicles and the internet, and the fact that the majority of people need a job, so that they can pay other people to continue their jobs. Maybe things just are, and that&#39;s the end of it.
*is impressed* :whistle:
how long did it take you to type that?

[Neil]

About 15-20 mins in Entrepreneurship Studies class...

It just kinda came out of me as I was typing. ^_^

[ass_kicker]

Originally posted by Neil@May 6 2004, 07:07 PM
About 15-20 mins in Entrepreneurship Studies class...

It just kinda came out of me as I was typing. ^_^
go away and study ^_^

[Cassie]

Originally posted by ass_kicker+May 7 2004, 02:09 PM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (ass_kicker @ May 7 2004, 02:09 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> <!--QuoteBegin--Neil@May 6 2004, 07:07 PM
About 15-20 mins in Entrepreneurship Studies class...

It just kinda came out of me as I was typing. ^_^
go away and study ^_^ [/b][/quote]
Using Mr. Nephin&#39;s classes wisely are we?

:P

I&#39;ll skip my "stay on track in school" rant with you and just tell you...

You might wanna find a hobby, hun... :wth:

:lol: Just razzling.

Very mind-boggling theory... see&#33; You&#39;re not a dumb blonde&#33; :D *coughLUCYcough* :shifty:

[Link04]

Originally posted by ella1432@May 5 2004, 06:32 PM
I&#39;m an atheist. Because, if there is a god out there, would he/she really allow such a doubt to develop about his/her existence?
To separate humans between those who shall be saved and those who won&#39;t?

[Jila]

Originally posted by Link04+May 8 2004, 02:25 PM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (Link04 @ May 8 2004, 02:25 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> <!--QuoteBegin--ella1432@May 5 2004, 06:32 PM
I&#39;m an atheist. Because, if there is a god out there, would he/she really allow such a doubt to develop about his/her existence?
To separate humans between those who shall be saved and those who won&#39;t? [/b][/quote]
if god really did exist, i wouldnt worship god because someone who decides to put people in eternal damnation isnt someone id want to be a slave to.

[Anya]

I think i&#39;m the only one here that exagerates waay to much when it comes to telling what I think life is really about. :lol: I like to exagerate alot, it&#39;s fun. But anyway, I was watching Passion of the Christ the other day and it got me thinking. I learned alot from it to tell you the truth. What I never knew was that actually, in the future, from what I heard from my uncle telling me, it says in the bible that in the future there will be an &#39;anti-christ&#39;. I&#39;m not sure if I should believe in it or not but, what if that really happens?

I&#39;m not even Christian or anything though, i&#39;m Jewish. I was just simply thinking about it that&#39;s all. What if a simple human form, comes and acts like Jesus, but when we start believing him his true self comes out.. and that he&#39;s really not as good as he seems. There for he causes destruction and what-not on our world. Not sure if it&#39;s true really but supposedly this is supposed to happen in the future and the only way for us to avoid this from happening is to not believe anything the &#39;anti-christ&#39; says or does. That way we can so called &#39;live in peace&#39;. It sounds kind of like a hoax to me, but I like to keep a wide view of opinions on life and what may happen someday in life..

[Messy Marj]

Originally posted by Anya@May 9 2004, 12:45 PM
I think i&#39;m the only one here that exagerates waay to much when it comes to telling what I think life is really about. :lol: I like to exagerate alot, it&#39;s fun. But anyway, I was watching Passion of the Christ the other day and it got me thinking. I learned alot from it to tell you the truth. What I never knew was that actually, in the future, from what I heard from my uncle telling me, it says in the bible that in the future there will be an &#39;anti-christ&#39;. I&#39;m not sure if I should believe in it or not but, what if that really happens?

I&#39;m not even Christian or anything though, i&#39;m Jewish. I was just simply thinking about it that&#39;s all. What if a simple human form, comes and acts like Jesus, but when we start believing him his true self comes out.. and that he&#39;s really not as good as he seems. There for he causes destruction and what-not on our world. Not sure if it&#39;s true really but supposedly this is supposed to happen in the future and the only way for us to avoid this from happening is to not believe anything the &#39;anti-christ&#39; says or does. That way we can so called &#39;live in peace&#39;. It sounds kind of like a hoax to me, but I like to keep a wide view of opinions on life and what may happen someday in life..
Yes, only then we will live in peace...
but, who is the anti - christ?

[Anya]

Originally posted by ghost child+May 9 2004, 07:51 AM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (ghost child @ May 9 2004, 07:51 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> <!--QuoteBegin--Anya@May 9 2004, 12:45 PM
I think i&#39;m the only one here that exagerates waay to much when it comes to telling what I think life is really about. :lol: I like to exagerate alot, it&#39;s fun. But anyway, I was watching Passion of the Christ the other day and it got me thinking. I learned alot from it to tell you the truth. What I never knew was that actually, in the future, from what I heard from my uncle telling me, it says in the bible that in the future there will be an &#39;anti-christ&#39;. I&#39;m not sure if I should believe in it or not but, what if that really happens?

I&#39;m not even Christian or anything though, i&#39;m Jewish. I was just simply thinking about it that&#39;s all. What if a simple human form, comes and acts like Jesus, but when we start believing him his true self comes out.. and that he&#39;s really not as good as he seems. There for he causes destruction and what-not on our world. Not sure if it&#39;s true really but supposedly this is supposed to happen in the future and the only way for us to avoid this from happening is to not believe anything the &#39;anti-christ&#39; says or does. That way we can so called &#39;live in peace&#39;. It sounds kind of like a hoax to me, but I like to keep a wide view of opinions on life and what may happen someday in life..
Yes, only then we will live in peace...
but, who is the anti - christ? [/b][/quote]
Good point, but technically, from what I hear it&#39;s supposed to be Satan I think. I doubt I believe that any of this will happen really though. It sounds way too unreal. But if it is- or in this matter, ever will be- I&#39;d probably just follow along with whatever it says. Ignore it, I don&#39;t know.

[Arhaz]

i like life..and hope i&#39;ll like where it gonna end...oh yeh...don&#39;t mind me...but i love god better than myself...wish to please Him all the time...

lp just turns my life...makes it more exciting...so there you have it....my life theory is as simple as that..


i was lying....i&#39;ve got a lot on life...and if i typed it all...my fingers would go numb....but the only thing i can say is...God&#39;s got me&#33;

[Crazy.Desperate.Insane]

Originally posted by Mark@May 4 2004, 08:05 PM
I don&#39;t believe in God and I&#39;m an Atheist.

What I think is somewhat discouraging is when people actually depend on "God" to live their lives. It&#39;s just a proverbial security blanket for those who are confused or scared about certain circumstances. People often mask the truth behind religion by saying "it was in God&#39;s doing". No, it wasn&#39;t. All organisms on this planet interact with one another and obviously some messed-up things (both "miracles" and tragedies) are going to happen. You can&#39;t say it was God&#39;s doing and get it over with. Leaving things like that alone is what makes some problems worse.

For example, if you&#39;ve got a disease or something wrong with your health, praying to god isn&#39;t going to change anything. Don&#39;t wait for others to help you, help yourself or get help from another human being. Don&#39;t just lie there defenseless and vulnerable, do things for yourself.

Another thing that annoys me is how people call things like birth &#39;god&#39;s miracles&#39;. Uh...no. Two people get together, a sperm cell finds it&#39;s way, and nine months later you&#39;ve got a baby. Nothing religious there, it&#39;s just the way things react with one another.

That&#39;s my opinion.
Nobody&#39;s an atheist. Everyone holds on to a certain belief or principle. If you don&#39;t have anything like that.. your life is bound for defeat.

I think you are quite confused. I want to somehow enlighten you. That&#39;s if.. I could clear up some confusion.

What struck me is your third paragraph. This is what real believers of God do: They pray but at the same time they struggle by doing ways to get out of the pain by taking medicines, etc. Those are what the enlightened believers do. On the other hand, those who have misconceptions, do what you have said. They pray.. and JUST pray without exerting any effort to better their life. Sometimes, they do not notice that God&#39;s help already comes but they refuse to accept it.. because what they want to occur is God appearing right in front of them and healing them.. God doesn&#39;t do. He uses people as his instruments.

Well.. about your fourth paragraph.. about the birth thing.. We believe that they are really God&#39;s gift. Life is a gift from God. But at the same time I also believe in the theories presented by science particularly in the branch of Biology.. Science explains things.. Believing in God is all about faith. It&#39;s hard to ask questions of how and why.. In science, you can do that. There&#39;s always a scientific explanation. (But sci. to has its limits..) It&#39;s not right to ask &#39;where God existed.. or how.. It&#39;s just faith. Time would also come when we will find these out.

[Leones]

Originally posted by Crazy.Desperate.Insane+May 19 2004, 07:26 AM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (Crazy.Desperate.Insane @ May 19 2004, 07:26 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> <!--QuoteBegin--Mark@May 4 2004, 08:05 PM
I don&#39;t believe in God and I&#39;m an Atheist.

What I think is somewhat discouraging is when people actually depend on "God" to live their lives. It&#39;s just a proverbial security blanket for those who are confused or scared about certain circumstances. People often mask the truth behind religion by saying "it was in God&#39;s doing". No, it wasn&#39;t. All organisms on this planet interact with one another and obviously some messed-up things (both "miracles" and tragedies) are going to happen. You can&#39;t say it was God&#39;s doing and get it over with. Leaving things like that alone is what makes some problems worse.

For example, if you&#39;ve got a disease or something wrong with your health, praying to god isn&#39;t going to change anything. Don&#39;t wait for others to help you, help yourself or get help from another human being. Don&#39;t just lie there defenseless and vulnerable, do things for yourself.

Another thing that annoys me is how people call things like birth &#39;god&#39;s miracles&#39;. Uh...no. Two people get together, a sperm cell finds it&#39;s way, and nine months later you&#39;ve got a baby. Nothing religious there, it&#39;s just the way things react with one another.

That&#39;s my opinion.
Nobody&#39;s an atheist. Everyone holds on to a certain belief or principle. If you don&#39;t have anything like that.. your life is bound for defeat.

I think you are quite confused. I want to somehow enlighten you. That&#39;s if.. I could clear up some confusion.

What struck me is your third paragraph. This is what real believers of God do: They pray but at the same time they struggle by doing ways to get out of the pain by taking medicines, etc. Those are what the enlightened believers do. On the other hand, those who have misconceptions, do what you have said. They pray.. and JUST pray without exerting any effort to better their life. Sometimes, they do not notice that God&#39;s help already comes but they refuse to accept it.. because what they want to occur is God appearing right in front of them and healing them.. God doesn&#39;t do. He uses people as his instruments.

Well.. about your fourth paragraph.. about the birth thing.. We believe that they are really God&#39;s gift. Life is a gift from God. But at the same time I also believe in the theories presented by science particularly in the branch of Biology.. Science explains things.. Believing in God is all about faith. It&#39;s hard to ask questions of how and why.. In science, you can do that. There&#39;s always a scientific explanation. (But sci. to has its limits..) It&#39;s not right to ask &#39;where God existed.. or how.. It&#39;s just faith. Time would also come when we will find these out. [/b][/quote]
I don&#39;t belief in a god either and I understand completely what Mark say&#39;s. I agree what he said about the &#39;God-trust&#39;, I don&#39;t belief in it either and thinks it&#39;s a waste of time. However this can be for people who don&#39;t belief in a god, but for people who do, it&#39;s a whole other story. For them it makes a lot of sense to pray and belief, it can help them in situations like sickness or death.


Let us keep ourselves and others in their values by trying to understand each others beliefs and thoughts.

[ass_kicker]

Let us keep ourselves and others in their values by trying to understand each others beliefs and thoughts.

Leonie, im impressed. you sound so intellectual. :whistle:

[Leones]

Originally posted by ass_kicker@May 19 2004, 12:06 PM

Let us keep ourselves and others in their values by trying to understand each others beliefs and thoughts.

Leonie, im impressed. you sound so intellectual. :whistle:
:huh:




:D

[Dedicated]

I believe that there really is no &#39;meaning of life&#39; what is there to know about life?

You live, pass on information to other people, then die.

That&#39;s it. Nothing more.


Also, to deal with this so-called &#39;God’, the Bible was written by people. The scriptures were written by people, how did they know that some guy was going to come along and save them from sins or whatever? They wanted people not to be scared of the future so they invented something that would give them hope. Also, no one was alive when &#39;God&#39; supposedly created the world, so how do we have writing about it? Another point is that as the Bible has been translated into so many different languages the meanings and the things that happen in it will have changed. I really want to know something as well. How many of you people have prayed to God for a person to like you or something and then it actually becoming true?

As a final comment, if ‘God’ loved us as much as people say, why is there suffering, hate and death? Also, if he forgives us for all our sins why aren&#39;t we living it up, without any suffering, hate or death, in the Garden of Eden?

I&#39;ve just thought up another question... How could &#39;Jesus&#39; die for my sins if I hadn&#39;t committed them yet? It&#39;s impossible really.

If you&#39;ve got this far... Congratulations&#33;

[Leones]

Originally posted by Dedicated@May 19 2004, 04:30 PM
I believe that there really is no &#39;meaning of life&#39; what is there to know about life?

You live, pass on information to other people, then die.

That&#39;s it. Nothing more.


Also, to deal with this so-called &#39;God’, the Bible was written by people. The scriptures were written by people, how did they know that some guy was going to come along and save them from sins or whatever? They wanted people not to be scared of the future so they invented something that would give them hope. Also, no one was alive when &#39;God&#39; supposedly created the world, so how do we have writing about it? Another point is that as the Bible has been translated into so many different languages the meanings and the things that happen in it will have changed. I really want to know something as well. How many of you people have prayed to God for a person to like you or something and then it actually becoming true?

As a final comment, if ‘God’ loved us as much as people say, why is there suffering, hate and death? Also, if he forgives us for all our sins why aren&#39;t we living it up, without any suffering, hate or death, in the Garden of Eden?

I&#39;ve just thought up another question... How could &#39;Jesus&#39; die for my sins if I hadn&#39;t committed them yet? It&#39;s impossible really.

If you&#39;ve got this far... Congratulations&#33;
ok, i don&#39;t belief in god too, but many people who don&#39;t belief in god ask al those questions, wich the people who do belief in god and the bible, even cannot anwser. It&#39;s a faith, so people belief it and belief is something that comes for a huge part from the inside. It&#39;s not to prove, it&#39;s to belief.

However they do have an anwser on your question about the writings how god created the universe and about the other writings in the bible like how Jezus gave his life for the people and their sins.

First they don&#39;t belief the writings were made up by people but the people who wrote it down got inspired by the holy spirit (the third part of the Trinity). This way they could write the bible.

About Jezus, (Jezus is the second part of the Trinity) people belief that god (the whole Trinity) knows everything what already happend, what&#39;s happening and what will happen. So, god knows what your going to do in your life, the good things and the bad things. Jezus died for everyone&#39;s sins and he knew how much that was. Like people say who do belief.



I hope it is a bit clear for you now. :D

[Will]

Originally posted by Crazy.Desperate.Insane+May 19 2004, 02:26 AM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (Crazy.Desperate.Insane @ May 19 2004, 02:26 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> <!--QuoteBegin--Mark@May 4 2004, 08:05 PM
I don&#39;t believe in God and I&#39;m an Atheist.

What I think is somewhat discouraging is when people actually depend on "God" to live their lives. It&#39;s just a proverbial security blanket for those who are confused or scared about certain circumstances. People often mask the truth behind religion by saying "it was in God&#39;s doing". No, it wasn&#39;t. All organisms on this planet interact with one another and obviously some messed-up things (both "miracles" and tragedies) are going to happen. You can&#39;t say it was God&#39;s doing and get it over with. Leaving things like that alone is what makes some problems worse.

For example, if you&#39;ve got a disease or something wrong with your health, praying to god isn&#39;t going to change anything. Don&#39;t wait for others to help you, help yourself or get help from another human being. Don&#39;t just lie there defenseless and vulnerable, do things for yourself.

Another thing that annoys me is how people call things like birth &#39;god&#39;s miracles&#39;. Uh...no. Two people get together, a sperm cell finds it&#39;s way, and nine months later you&#39;ve got a baby. Nothing religious there, it&#39;s just the way things react with one another.

That&#39;s my opinion.
Nobody&#39;s an atheist. Everyone holds on to a certain belief or principle. If you don&#39;t have anything like that.. your life is bound for defeat.

I think you are quite confused. I want to somehow enlighten you. That&#39;s if.. I could clear up some confusion.

What struck me is your third paragraph. This is what real believers of God do: They pray but at the same time they struggle by doing ways to get out of the pain by taking medicines, etc. Those are what the enlightened believers do. On the other hand, those who have misconceptions, do what you have said. They pray.. and JUST pray without exerting any effort to better their life. Sometimes, they do not notice that God&#39;s help already comes but they refuse to accept it.. because what they want to occur is God appearing right in front of them and healing them.. God doesn&#39;t do. He uses people as his instruments.

Well.. about your fourth paragraph.. about the birth thing.. We believe that they are really God&#39;s gift. Life is a gift from God. But at the same time I also believe in the theories presented by science particularly in the branch of Biology.. Science explains things.. Believing in God is all about faith. It&#39;s hard to ask questions of how and why.. In science, you can do that. There&#39;s always a scientific explanation. (But sci. to has its limits..) It&#39;s not right to ask &#39;where God existed.. or how.. It&#39;s just faith. Time would also come when we will find these out. [/b][/quote]
I can prove everything you said wrong:

God doesn&#39;t exist. Never did. The bible was written by people who needed explanations for things, just as the Greeks created the Greek gods to explain things around them.

Simple as that.

[Crazy.Desperate.Insane]

Originally posted by Will+May 19 2004, 06:45 PM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (Will @ May 19 2004, 06:45 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'>
Originally posted by -Crazy.Desperate.Insane@May 19 2004, 02:26 AM
<!--QuoteBegin--Mark@May 4 2004, 08:05 PM
I don&#39;t believe in God and I&#39;m an Atheist.

What I think is somewhat discouraging is when people actually depend on "God" to live their lives. It&#39;s just a proverbial security blanket for those who are confused or scared about certain circumstances. People often mask the truth behind religion by saying "it was in God&#39;s doing". No, it wasn&#39;t. All organisms on this planet interact with one another and obviously some messed-up things (both "miracles" and tragedies) are going to happen. You can&#39;t say it was God&#39;s doing and get it over with. Leaving things like that alone is what makes some problems worse.

For example, if you&#39;ve got a disease or something wrong with your health, praying to god isn&#39;t going to change anything. Don&#39;t wait for others to help you, help yourself or get help from another human being. Don&#39;t just lie there defenseless and vulnerable, do things for yourself.

Another thing that annoys me is how people call things like birth &#39;god&#39;s miracles&#39;. Uh...no. Two people get together, a sperm cell finds it&#39;s way, and nine months later you&#39;ve got a baby. Nothing religious there, it&#39;s just the way things react with one another.

That&#39;s my opinion.
Nobody&#39;s an atheist. Everyone holds on to a certain belief or principle. If you don&#39;t have anything like that.. your life is bound for defeat.

I think you are quite confused. I want to somehow enlighten you. That&#39;s if.. I could clear up some confusion.

What struck me is your third paragraph. This is what real believers of God do: They pray but at the same time they struggle by doing ways to get out of the pain by taking medicines, etc. Those are what the enlightened believers do. On the other hand, those who have misconceptions, do what you have said. They pray.. and JUST pray without exerting any effort to better their life. Sometimes, they do not notice that God&#39;s help already comes but they refuse to accept it.. because what they want to occur is God appearing right in front of them and healing them.. God doesn&#39;t do. He uses people as his instruments.

Well.. about your fourth paragraph.. about the birth thing.. We believe that they are really God&#39;s gift. Life is a gift from God. But at the same time I also believe in the theories presented by science particularly in the branch of Biology.. Science explains things.. Believing in God is all about faith. It&#39;s hard to ask questions of how and why.. In science, you can do that. There&#39;s always a scientific explanation. (But sci. to has its limits..) It&#39;s not right to ask &#39;where God existed.. or how.. It&#39;s just faith. Time would also come when we will find these out.
I can prove everything you said wrong:

God doesn&#39;t exist. Never did. The bible was written by people who needed explanations for things, just as the Greeks created the Greek gods to explain things around them.

Simple as that. [/b][/quote]
Okay.. We all have opinions and beliefs of our own. Let&#39;s respect each other.

I am glad to visit again the boards after a really long time. I miss the intellectual people here posting real discussions.

Does anyone remember "Jawknee" here?

[withnoapologies]

First of all, yes I am back, I have cooled down, don&#39;t like Linkin Park, dont like a certain moderator.... but these serious chats really make me think, w00t&#33; I apologise to all that i have offended previously. Now, the topic....



I believe in God, but not in a traditional way, i am a Roman Catholic, but i interpret the bible differently than others. I am undecided about the creation of the world, so i wont get into it. Now, i dont really believe in the whole bible stories with all the healing miracles and such, i believe that they were made up by the authors of the bible to get a certain point across.

I believe that they were made up as an example to teach people something. For example, the story about a man giving money to his three slaves. Two of them used the money to make more, the other didnt use it, or touch it, he wanted to preserve it. the man that gave the money was displeased with him. That had shown that we must use all of out possesions to help ourselves, and the ones around us in a positive way.

I agree with what, uhh one of the members had said, that God is just a hope for people, that there is some good in this world. Hey, I&#39;ve learned to smile.

I dont believe God as a security blanket, but as a hope, as previously said. I also believe Him to be just a character made from humans to teach us certain lessons to bring us to all that equality and helping others crap.



On the issue of what happens after death, i dont know, it changes regularily, sometimes it is just life as this, only peace and equality, other times its our second chance to not screw up (maybe right now im living in my second chance....?) or just as a calm and peaceful paradise, say a beach.... or a loud place with awesome bands always playing, such as Propaghandi and Rise Against.

well, there&#39;s my say, disagree as you see fit...

[Link04]

As my friend once told me: "there is a point in debate in which you must stop and say, &#39;that is what I believe, and that&#39;s that.&#39;" I have reached that point. Obviously, those who don&#39;t believe are as equally set in their ways as those who do. Nothing I say, nor do, short of an act from God himself will prove otherwise to some people. Yet, that is not the purpose of debate either; and as I&#39;ve said, I&#39;m not trying to convert anyone. I just figure I&#39;ll stop wasting my thoughts on this topic, since they will be irrelevant. I&#39;m done with this discussion.

[Instru-Mental]

Zelda&#39;s Cool ^

[ass_kicker]

Originally posted by Instru-Mental@May 21 2004, 02:08 AM
Zelda&#39;s Cool ^
that was SO majorly off topic :lol: lmao :lol:
[/offtopic] anyways. back to life theories.

[Will]

Originally posted by ass_kicker+May 26 2004, 12:35 PM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (ass_kicker @ May 26 2004, 12:35 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> <!--QuoteBegin--Instru-Mental@May 21 2004, 02:08 AM
Zelda&#39;s Cool ^
that was SO majorly off topic :lol: lmao :lol:
[/offtopic] anyways. back to life theories. [/b][/quote]
Wow. And you didn&#39;t help any by being off topic, too. :rolleyes:

[ass_kicker]

Originally posted by Will+May 26 2004, 06:53 PM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (Will @ May 26 2004, 06:53 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'>
Originally posted by -ass_kicker@May 26 2004, 12:35 PM
<!--QuoteBegin--Instru-Mental@May 21 2004, 02:08 AM
Zelda&#39;s Cool ^
that was SO majorly off topic :lol: lmao :lol:
[/offtopic] anyways. back to life theories.
Wow. And you didn&#39;t help any by being off topic, too. :rolleyes: [/b][/quote]
im sorry will. i like making pointless, offtopic comments. i couldnt resist. it was just so random... &#39;zeldas cool&#39; :lol:

[Chris Luke]

Beyond what we see are the real reasons why you live. That is why its so far away. We need to find out ourselves and stop being Flies in the vasoline we call life.

[ass_kicker]

Originally posted by LPStreetFighter666@May 27 2004, 01:21 AM
Beyond what we see are the real reasons why you live. That is why its so far away. We need to find out ourselves and stop being Flies in the vasoline we call life.
then what are we supoesed to be instead of being flies in vasoline?... not that i dont agree with you. in a way, i dont, because vasoline is life. so youre either a fly in vasoline or you die.

[Chris Luke]

Originally posted by ass_kicker+May 27 2004, 05:50 AM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (ass_kicker @ May 27 2004, 05:50 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> <!--QuoteBegin--LPStreetFighter666@May 27 2004, 01:21 AM
Beyond what we see are the real reasons why you live. That is why its so far away. We need to find out ourselves and stop being Flies in the vasoline we call life.
then what are we supoesed to be instead of being flies in vasoline?... not that i dont agree with you. in a way, i dont, because vasoline is life. so youre either a fly in vasoline or you die. [/b][/quote]
The Vasoline is anything you want it to be. Life, Problems, and even a lost loved one. You just got to stop focusuing on one thing.

[ass_kicker]

Originally posted by LPStreetFighter666+May 28 2004, 01:18 AM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (LPStreetFighter666 @ May 28 2004, 01:18 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'>
Originally posted by -ass_kicker@May 27 2004, 05:50 AM
<!--QuoteBegin--LPStreetFighter666@May 27 2004, 01:21 AM
Beyond what we see are the real reasons why you live. That is why its so far away. We need to find out ourselves and stop being Flies in the vasoline we call life.
then what are we supoesed to be instead of being flies in vasoline?... not that i dont agree with you. in a way, i dont, because vasoline is life. so youre either a fly in vasoline or you die.
The Vasoline is anything you want it to be. Life, Problems, and even a lost loved one. You just got to stop focusuing on one thing. [/b][/quote]
life is made up of various problems and complicated situations we have to deal with. i see it as vasoline. we do get stuck in it, but that what every human does...

[Will]

I don&#39;t know about you guys, but I don&#39;t get stuck in vaseline. Ever.

[Chris Luke]

Originally posted by Will@May 28 2004, 02:04 PM
I don&#39;t know about you guys, but I don&#39;t get stuck in vaseline. Ever.
So you never had a problem in your life. That&#39;s amazing. Whis i were you.

[Will]

Originally posted by LPStreetFighter666+May 28 2004, 02:12 PM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (LPStreetFighter666 @ May 28 2004, 02:12 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> <!--QuoteBegin--Will@May 28 2004, 02:04 PM
I don&#39;t know about you guys, but I don&#39;t get stuck in vaseline. Ever.
So you never had a problem in your life. That&#39;s amazing. Whis i were you. [/b][/quote]
I have problems.

But not with vasoline.

[F-ck Casey]

I&#39;m stuck in the Vaseline all the time.


that #### is sticky.

[Mechanical Christ]

What&#39;s beyond the universe....The Gates of Yaru.

[Anya]

Do any of you believe in life that lives beyond our world? I&#39;ve always thought about it to tell you the truth, I have several opinions flying around. So far the most I believe in is Will&#39;s. It seems the most understandable to tell you the truth.

I don&#39;t believe in God. I think i&#39;ve finally come to stand true to that belief and I know few of you changed my point of view completley so far. But that doesn&#39;t mean i&#39;m not open to anything else of course. I&#39;m just curious if there&#39;s another world I suppose. Maybe were not the only one&#39;s, you know? I&#39;m just not sure about it but i&#39;d like to know if any of you have an idea of some sort that could help me think about it more clearly..

[Cassie]

I&#39;m a firm believer in fate. Everything happens for a reason. There are no coincidences. Whatever you may suffer or experience throughtout your lifetime, there&#39;s a reason to it. I look back to my Grade 8 year. A very difficult time. I wonder how my life would be for me now if it wasn&#39;t so. Would I have more confidence in myself to be a stronger person? I also strongly believe in karma and reincarnation. My theory is that everyday life would be impossible if we carried such a tremendous load of memories around with us. Perhaps if we&#39;ve lived before, this is way we cannot remember doing so.

[ass_kicker]

Originally posted by Cassie@May 30 2004, 05:55 PM
I&#39;m a firm believer in fate. Everything happens for a reason. There are no coincidences. Whatever you may suffer or experience throughtout your lifetime, there&#39;s a reason to it. I look back to my Grade 8 year. A very difficult time. I wonder how my life would be for me now if it wasn&#39;t so. Would I have more confidence in myself to be a stronger person? I also strongly believe in karma and reincarnation. My theory is that everyday life would be impossible if we carried such a tremendous load of memories around with us. Perhaps if we&#39;ve lived before, this is way we cannot remember doing so.
i believe in both fate and god. god creates fate, thats the way i see it.

[Jila]

like i said, i just think you come from a sperm/egg and your just the lucky chosen one. i dont think people get reincarnated because that just doesnt make sense at all.

1. its like your mind/soul is being recycled. if thats so, then how were the minds created in the first place? would they just stop being created and just keep going in a never-ending circle? no, i didnt think so.

2. the popluation (especially of humans) has gone way above normal so there would too many bodies for these "souls" to occupy.

its just impossible. and besides, how can you even come to the conclusion that you get reincarnated. my friend used to say he got reincarnated and this is his "second life" and that certain people have this "gift" where they get reincarnated. and i was just like thats a bunch of bullsh*t

god doesnt exist. heaven and hell do not exist. no one has died and come back to life saying theyve seen god and if they have they are just mental and need to be put in a psych ward.

as for people saying they have "faith", they should re-name the word "faith" and replace it with "my parents told me to believe in god and raised me that way and i listen to them".


now i must work on my to kill a mockingbird essay instead of writing this.

EDIT: oh, and that whole fate thing, its also impossible. how in the world can someone decide every single beings actions. every event, moment, detail. because god it all mighty and can do anything? (see above).

[ass_kicker]

Originally posted by PyRoMaNiaK@Jun 2 2004, 02:20 AM
EDIT: oh, and that whole fate thing, its also impossible. how in the world can someone decide every single beings actions. every event, moment, detail. because god it all mighty and can do anything? (see above).
i dont mean it in a way that god does all the work. i see it as though god controls it, but he doesnt make it himself. i mean, fate is just fate. god doesnt make it. he can only change it.

[erasethepain]

i believe in both fate and god. god creates fate, thats the way i see it.

God creates fate because your parents told you so?


i dont mean it in a way that god does all the work. i see it as though god controls it, but he doesnt make it himself. i mean, fate is just fate. god doesnt make it. he can only change it.

Someone has to win the lottery. Someone has to draw the longest stick. It&#39;s just the way it goes. God isn&#39;t sitting on a cloud going "Hmmm, I think Tommy deserves to be it in tag today. This is really going to impact his life 30 years from now."

[ass_kicker]

Originally posted by J Money@Jun 2 2004, 05:29 PM
God creates fate because your parents told you so?
no, actually. i believe in that. my parents dont believe in fate. i have my own opinion and mind on things, you know. even though you might not believe me, people who believe in god actually make up their own minds. but of course you wouldnt understand that. f*cking hell. that really pissed me off.

[erasethepain]

no, actually. i believe in that. my parents dont believe in fate. i have my own opinion and mind on things, you know. even though you might not believe me, people who believe in god actually make up their own minds. but of course you wouldnt understand that. f*cking hell. that really pissed me off.

They don&#39;t make up their minds. They are given a few set of religions and they pick from them. How do I know this? Because the TV and the people around you tell you what they want you to believe in. If you lived in Iraq, your religion would be totally different. You can&#39;t say what you want, but that&#39;s just the way it is.

I know very few people who actually took the time to look at every religion in this world before they jumped on the bandwagon. Fact is, if everyone worshiped purple turtles instead of the god you believe in, you would to. There&#39;s a shitload of religions out there and to think that the one that is most popular in your area is the right one is... I just don&#39;t understand it.

[Sludge Factory]

Originally posted by Anya@May 2 2004, 07:46 PM
Do you ever wonder what&#39;s beyond both earth and the universe? I don&#39;t know really myself but I would like to hear your theorys at least. I always wondered if there ever really was a god. If so maybe it&#39;s someone else besides that. Controlling us. Our every movement, thought, or action being controlled maybe by even aliens. You never know. If outside our earth there&#39;s a universe.. then what&#39;s beyond that? Another universe? And then that universe is followed by another universe, and another universe, and another universe until finally it comes to where we only a spec of dust. Sitting in the middle of nowhere with an alien, god, etc. watching over that very spec of dust, controlling the lives of the billions of people that are living beneath him. Should we take that as a good thing? What if we really are being controlled? What if were only a dream. And when we finally wake up we all die and life will no longer be living..

...

Sorry. I didn&#39;t mean to scare you. :lol: But seriously. I&#39;m curious about this and i&#39;ve always thought about it. You never know what&#39;s true and what&#39;s not so I would like to hear all of your theorys of life as well. Tell me what you think. :)
It&#39;s hard to believe that boyond Earth, there is infinite space. But I am a firm believer in God. And don&#39;t think God or any other "force" is controlling us. We are here and that is it.

This topic reminds me of that show, Sliders. They traveled to parallel universes. Yeah.... that was a good show. B)

[Jila]

Originally posted by ass_kicker+Jun 2 2004, 02:15 AM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (ass_kicker @ Jun 2 2004, 02:15 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> <!--QuoteBegin--PyRoMaNiaK@Jun 2 2004, 02:20 AM
EDIT: oh, and that whole fate thing, its also impossible. how in the world can someone decide every single beings actions. every event, moment, detail. because god it all mighty and can do anything? (see above).
i dont mean it in a way that god does all the work. i see it as though god controls it, but he doesnt make it himself. i mean, fate is just fate. god doesnt make it. he can only change it. [/b][/quote]
so then how exactly did fate come to be? is it like a being, a bunch of smoke, invisible-ness? if fate can decide everything of every millisecond for eternity, youd think it has a mind. if it had a mind, god must have created it, but if god had created it then that would be "fate". it was meant to be created.. but then your saying god doesnt do the whole fate thing. so its llike 2 different gods. it would actually make more sense if you said god controls fate instead of "fate" having a completely different mind.

besides, i think god doesnt exist. fate doesnt exist, only chance and probibility. i agree with j money.

[Will]

Fate is another bullshit human creation, just like religion.

[erasethepain]

Will, we have waaaaay too much in common.

[Kæton]

I believe you live, you work, hopefully you reproduce, and then you die. That&#39;s how life&#39;s been from the beginning. You live, you work, you reproduce, you die. You live your life, you learn, you work, and sometimes you create something that evolves us to a new level and then you die. It&#39;s the continous cycle in evolution and it&#39;s been the same cycle we as humans have followed for thousands of years, even before technology.

Was it fate the early homosapiens discovered sharp rocks could crack open clams, or that it could be used in what we now call an ax-like form? Was is really fate when the computer was created? Was is fate child pornography was made? Was it even fate to those who got caught in acts like so? Why are there pedophiles (sp?)? If fate is so, why does it bring such depressing outcomes? YOUR FATE IS THAT YOU WILL DIE. I say that to you. Am I now your God? YOU WILL EVENTUALLY DIE, I HAVE THAT PLANNED FOR YOU. Now am I your God? I&#39;m not making you die, but you will eventually die, and I just said you&#39;re going to die, so does that mean I&#39;ve lead you on the path of death? So that means I&#39;m your God.. right?

Well, I can&#39;t say I don&#39;t think God chose my path. Why? I am my own God. I choose what I want to do, and if I want it bad enough, the only thing that&#39;ll stop me is death. I&#39;ve analyzed religions so much, and there&#39;s only one religion I believe in.. And I&#39;ve dubbed it Keatonism :lol:. Yes, I really do call it that. Maybe not so much to parody off of these "real" religions, but at least what I believe in keeps you down to earth, but that&#39;s just my view on life.

I do ask, though, if fate is what we&#39;re all going towards, and something or someone is there, moving us along as if we&#39;re moving on a game board, why is it majority who get the "short ends" are the good, innocent, or just the best of the world? God wanted to take them away from the pain, yet cause more pain? There was a boy who commited suicide this year in my school, and he was one of the best people in that school. I think others should have been in his place. A believer in God, and a good friend, and he died; for what? Fate? He was destined to die because of his grades? Yeah, he killed himself because he couldn&#39;t face the abuse from his parents and you&#39;re going to tell me that was his fate?&#33; A perfectly good person, who had all the world in front of him was destined to die at 15. That&#39;s greeeaaaattt... really. And if it was his own mind to kill himself, you think he was in the right state of mind? Was he thinking "Okay, well, I&#39;m going to kill myself now and leave those who love me behind. Why? Because I choose to." Hell no, you best not tell me that because this boy had it all, a great life, great friends, but his only troubles were his family.

I don&#39;t get it, really, and it really annoys the hell out of me for someone to tell me my life was a plan before I was even born because it seems pretty damn unfair to me to not be able to be my own person, but by the book or hand of a guy who thinks he&#39;s better than everyone and can choose what we all do. I hate the fact people place blame on people like me for deaths, and telling me crap like I should have been the one to go and God is showing me pity. I&#39;m sorry, but it&#39;s really a piss off to me when I hear "God is just showing pity for you athiest a-holes.

I sure as hell don&#39;t wanna&#39; be little Jimmy who loses his head in a "freak accident" that was destined to happen. I swear, sometimes I blame war for religion. If it weren&#39;t for crap like hydrogen bomb scares, do you think they would have increased faith in religion as their security blankets as they did with the whole "hide under your desk" bullshit? I look at religion in the same light I do with the already proclaimed safety blanket about the "hide under the table" crap.

Excuse such a negative post, but "fate" has dealt me the hand of shame, and I shame the name of "fate."

[Link04]

This simple reasoning of religion, Will, and why I don&#39;t believe it&#39;s "bullshit."

For every chain of effects there MUST be a cause. For every effect in time (life, everything that is, everything there was, and everything there will be) it had to have some sort of moving, willful cause to set it into motion. The chances of a random moving cause is astronomical, if any. Think about it, how could everything be created from nothing? It couldn&#39;t have been. Therefore, there must have been some perfect, moving, willful cause already in place that is beyond time. If there wasn&#39;t, nothing could become of the nothing that already existed. This eternal thing is what Christians call God. And willfully, he has created everything and set it into motion, not interfering with it, but rather letting it run it&#39;s course. That is my belief of the truth.

[Will]

Religion was created by people. Just like Greek mythology was people. There&#39;s no backbone for it. Period.

[erasethepain]

I think it was made to scare people... and it worked. They did what they had to do.

[Leones]

Originally posted by Keaton@Jun 3 2004, 04:43 AM
I believe you live, you work, hopefully you reproduce, and then you die. That&#39;s how life&#39;s been from the beginning. You live, you work, you reproduce, you die. You live your life, you learn, you work, and sometimes you create something that evolves us to a new level and then you die. It&#39;s the continous cycle in evolution and it&#39;s been the same cycle we as humans have followed for thousands of years, even before technology.

Was it fate the early homosapiens discovered sharp rocks could crack open clams, or that it could be used in what we now call an ax-like form? Was is really fate when the computer was created? Was is fate child pornography was made? Was it even fate to those who got caught in acts like so? Why are there pedophiles (sp?)? If fate is so, why does it bring such depressing outcomes? YOUR FATE IS THAT YOU WILL DIE. I say that to you. Am I now your God? YOU WILL EVENTUALLY DIE, I HAVE THAT PLANNED FOR YOU. Now am I your God? I&#39;m not making you die, but you will eventually die, and I just said you&#39;re going to die, so does that mean I&#39;ve lead you on the path of death? So that means I&#39;m your God.. right?

Well, I can&#39;t say I don&#39;t think God chose my path. Why? I am my own God. I choose what I want to do, and if I want it bad enough, the only thing that&#39;ll stop me is death. I&#39;ve analyzed religions so much, and there&#39;s only one religion I believe in.. And I&#39;ve dubbed it Keatonism :lol:. Yes, I really do call it that. Maybe not so much to parody off of these "real" religions, but at least what I believe in keeps you down to earth, but that&#39;s just my view on life.

I do ask, though, if fate is what we&#39;re all going towards, and something or someone is there, moving us along as if we&#39;re moving on a game board, why is it majority who get the "short ends" are the good, innocent, or just the best of the world? God wanted to take them away from the pain, yet cause more pain? There was a boy who commited suicide this year in my school, and he was one of the best people in that school. I think others should have been in his place. A believer in God, and a good friend, and he died; for what? Fate? He was destined to die because of his grades? Yeah, he killed himself because he couldn&#39;t face the abuse from his parents and you&#39;re going to tell me that was his fate?&#33; A perfectly good person, who had all the world in front of him was destined to die at 15. That&#39;s greeeaaaattt... really. And if it was his own mind to kill himself, you think he was in the right state of mind? Was he thinking "Okay, well, I&#39;m going to kill myself now and leave those who love me behind. Why? Because I choose to." Hell no, you best not tell me that because this boy had it all, a great life, great friends, but his only troubles were his family.

I don&#39;t get it, really, and it really annoys the hell out of me for someone to tell me my life was a plan before I was even born because it seems pretty damn unfair to me to not be able to be my own person, but by the book or hand of a guy who thinks he&#39;s better than everyone and can choose what we all do. I hate the fact people place blame on people like me for deaths, and telling me crap like I should have been the one to go and God is showing me pity. I&#39;m sorry, but it&#39;s really a piss off to me when I hear "God is just showing pity for you athiest a-holes.

I sure as hell don&#39;t wanna&#39; be little Jimmy who loses his head in a "freak accident" that was destined to happen. I swear, sometimes I blame war for religion. If it weren&#39;t for crap like hydrogen bomb scares, do you think they would have increased faith in religion as their security blankets as they did with the whole "hide under your desk" bullshit? I look at religion in the same light I do with the already proclaimed safety blanket about the "hide under the table" crap.

Excuse such a negative post, but "fate" has dealt me the hand of shame, and I shame the name of "fate."
Amen to this.

I think the same.

[Dedicated]

Originally posted by Link04@Jun 6 2004, 02:27 AM
This simple reasoning of religion, Will, and why I don&#39;t believe it&#39;s "bullshit."

For every chain of effects there MUST be a cause. For every effect in time (life, everything that is, everything there was, and everything there will be) it had to have some sort of moving, willful cause to set it into motion. The chances of a random moving cause is astronomical, if any. Think about it, how could everything be created from nothing? It couldn&#39;t have been. Therefore, there must have been some perfect, moving, willful cause already in place that is beyond time. If there wasn&#39;t, nothing could become of the nothing that already existed. This eternal thing is what Christians call God. And willfully, he has created everything and set it into motion, not interfering with it, but rather letting it run it&#39;s course. That is my belief of the truth.
My belief is that there&#39;s no way some guy is sitting on top of a cloud watching our every movement, claiming that he loves us and then letting us suffer...




It has been scientifically proven how the universe was made... And I don&#39;t think it had anything to do with a guy, who&#39;s supposedly been there forever, who got bored one day and thought, &#39;I know, lets make something...&#39; :mellow:

[Link04]

Originally posted by Dedicated+Jun 6 2004, 12:26 PM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (Dedicated @ Jun 6 2004, 12:26 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> <!--QuoteBegin--Link04@Jun 6 2004, 02:27 AM
This simple reasoning of religion, Will, and why I don&#39;t believe it&#39;s "bullshit."

For every chain of effects there MUST be a cause. For every effect in time (life, everything that is, everything there was, and everything there will be) it had to have some sort of moving, willful cause to set it into motion. The chances of a random moving cause is astronomical, if any. Think about it, how could everything be created from nothing? It couldn&#39;t have been. Therefore, there must have been some perfect, moving, willful cause already in place that is beyond time. If there wasn&#39;t, nothing could become of the nothing that already existed. This eternal thing is what Christians call God. And willfully, he has created everything and set it into motion, not interfering with it, but rather letting it run it&#39;s course. That is my belief of the truth.
My belief is that there&#39;s no way some guy is sitting on top of a cloud watching our every movement, claiming that he loves us and then letting us suffer...




It has been scientifically proven how the universe was made... And I don&#39;t think it had anything to do with a guy, who&#39;s supposedly been there forever, who got bored one day and thought, &#39;I know, lets make something...&#39; :mellow: [/b][/quote]
Wrong, it&#39;s scientifically THEORIZED how the universe was made. No one really knows, but what you personally believe becomes your own truth. My own truth is creation, yours isn&#39;t.

[The Doctor]

Well think about it. What seems more logical? Everything coming together after millions of years due to gravity and fusion of atoms and a giant explosion that sends all of these things into its place, or some guy who randomly appeared out of nowhere just threw together an infinite place. Think about it.

[ass_kicker]

Originally posted by Nate@Jun 8 2004, 12:05 AM
Well think about it. What seems more logical? Everything coming together after millions of years due to gravity and fusion of atoms and a giant explosion that sends all of these things into its place, or some guy who randomly appeared out of nowhere just threw together an infinite place. Think about it.
...yeah... youre either right, or you sound right. what you said made sense. but hey, isnt religion all about believing and not knowing?

im like defending it... it feels weird since i dont believe in church.

[Will]

Here is one thing I was thinking about:

If "God" created everything, why didn&#39;t the Greeks or the Romans believe in this one, single "God"? They believed in multiple gods. Why is it that people didn&#39;t start believing in a singular God until AFTER Christianity swept over everything?

You would think that the Greeks and/or Romans would&#39;ve believed in one God, too. But they didn&#39;t. Why is that? Because they made up their gods just like Christians and all other religious made up their singular God. It&#39;s all just one big story.

Sometimes I think the Bible would be better if it was written by Dr. Seuss. Or Tom Clancy. Or Stephen King.

[F-ck Casey]

Dr Seuss&#39; Cat in the Holy Water.


That would be a great book.

[Link04]

Originally posted by Nate@Jun 8 2004, 12:05 AM
Well think about it. What seems more logical? Everything coming together after millions of years due to gravity and fusion of atoms and a giant explosion that sends all of these things into its place, or some guy who randomly appeared out of nowhere just threw together an infinite place. Think about it.
I&#39;m pressed for time, so I&#39;ll just say this before I have to leave. Read any work of Saint Thomas Aquinas. He proves that religion is logical.

[Will]

Logical, even though it is all made up?




If religion is supposed to be the way things really are, then why has it not existed since the beginning of time? Religion has not been around all that long (I am not sure when exactly it started, but it was at least two thousand four years ago). Why did it take so long for religion to "exist"?

[Branden]

For some reason lately, I&#39;ve been thinking " What if we really live in a Matrix-like computer program&#33;&#33;??&#33; :o " Maybe we&#39;re just part of a large computer, and I&#39;m sitting here typing on a computer. Makes ya think doesn&#39;t it?

[Will]

Originally posted by BrandeN@Jun 9 2004, 05:41 PM
For some reason lately, I&#39;ve been thinking " What if we really live in a Matrix-like computer program&#33;&#33;??&#33; :o " Maybe we&#39;re just part of a large computer, and I&#39;m sitting here typing on a computer. Makes ya think doesn&#39;t it?
No.

[arT saveS]

Originally posted by BrandeN@Jun 9 2004, 04:41 PM
For some reason lately, I&#39;ve been thinking " What if we really live in a Matrix-like computer program&#33;&#33;??&#33; :o " Maybe we&#39;re just part of a large computer, and I&#39;m sitting here typing on a computer. Makes ya think doesn&#39;t it?
... :wth:

[Maëlle]

- I am a convinced atheist.

- One day, someone tried to explain me the thing with the 2 breads and three fishes that feeded thousands of people. Even at 10 years old, I thought it made no sense so I stopped believing in God (even if I never was really into it before). Stupid, I know.

- For a time I thought the bible was written by bored teenagers who hadn&#39;t anything better to do with their time.

- I don&#39;t think that to create all the atoms of the universe it must have taken more than seven days. By this theory, I prove that God didn&#39;t create earth in seven days.

- I believe in the evolution theory because that&#39;s the only one that make sense. And yes I can be atheist and believe in it because being atheist means that you don&#39;t believe in higher powers. In the evolution theory, there are no higher powers involved.

- Someone said you can&#39;t love if you weren&#39;t created by a loving being. False. Love was created by Humans because they needed an excuse for reproduction.

- I don&#39;t understand how people are able to believe in something that nothing proves the existence.

- There are two types who believe in God: 1) The lambs, who would do anything for him. 2) The ones who think that God is synonym of power so if they are on his good side they can do whatever they want. They&#39;re invincible because God&#39;s with them. (Notice sarcasm in point 2)

- Religion is the thing that killed the most people if I remember correcttly. (WWII, all the sh*t in Israel, and many other conflicts can show it)

- I wrote in &#39;&#39;facts&#39;&#39; because it&#39;s too late for me to put it in a nice text. And if there are typos in this post, they&#39;ll be corrected tomorrow.

[F-ck Casey]

Originally posted by BrandeN@Jun 9 2004, 05:41 PM
For some reason lately, I&#39;ve been thinking " What if we really live in a Matrix-like computer program&#33;&#33;??&#33; :o " Maybe we&#39;re just part of a large computer, and I&#39;m sitting here typing on a computer. Makes ya think doesn&#39;t it?
I thought that once.

Of course, I was under the influence of Crystal Meth.

[ass_kicker]

Originally posted by BrandeN@Jun 9 2004, 10:41 PM
For some reason lately, I&#39;ve been thinking " What if we really live in a Matrix-like computer program&#33;&#33;??&#33; :o " Maybe we&#39;re just part of a large computer, and I&#39;m sitting here typing on a computer. Makes ya think doesn&#39;t it?
thinking like that freaks me out... and even if we do live in matrix, i wouldnt want to know the real world like neo did. hell no, let me live the happy life thats controlled by machines, but at least its peaceful and no needles go through your back.

[ryanlp2004]

Originally posted by PyRoMaNiaK@May 3 2004, 01:05 AM
okay, i really didnt want to type up the whole thing and i left stuff out. i still dont feel like putting the entire thing up so ill just answer your statements.


How does a load of dust form into a MOLTEN swirling ball?
like i said, the mixture of condensation of dust particles and the hot steam of the atmosphere. therefore, molten lava was the surface of the earth.


More importantly, you make the biggest contradiction of evolution, the prescence of organic molecules, seem like a magic poof. How did they form? It was shown that the early &#39;soup&#39; of an ocean we had lacked any elements required for organic molecules to be synthesized.
water vapor= liquid (the most essential thing for organisms to live)
when you have water and and the atmosphere, you have weather. lightning struck protein, chemical reactions occured, amino acids, carbohydrates and such, essential building blocks, i basically already stated this.


And I find it impossible to believe that all life came from one prokaryotic organism
life didnt come from one prokaryote, it came from chemical reactions.


The Bible was written down over so many years by so many different people

exactly..
1. the bible was written by PEOPLE. it proves the vast population of the human race cant stand the fact that were are alone, that theres no other world after ours. instead of living in fear, they create an imaginary being to worship and believe theyll recieve salvation in return.

2. let say greek mythology for example, the stories have changed so much its riddiculous. the only reason why greek mythology has been dismissed is because no one believes it anymore. therefore, the bible wont be dismissed because so many people follow the religion even though many of the stories are equally as redicculous.


while maintaining historical accuracy and little contradiction
dont tell me noahs ark ever happened because that is virtually impossible


Finally, hell is not eternal torture, nor a fiery place. Hell is interperated by biblical scholars as eternal nothingness, perishing, being cut off from the souls of who all you love and care about.

i was giving an example of how people change the stories about it.


What do you believe happens after death?

i think you just die. i think when you die its kind of like when you fall asleep. you know, when you wake you didnt realize you fell to sleep except when you die you dont wake up. like eternal sleep minus the dreams.
I dont mean to affend people here who beleive in god. But ive been trying to tell people for some time that how can god exist, if the beleif of him was merely created by another human. But i guess i never had a good enough way of explaining it. And I beleive what you said about dying, like sleeping without dreams. For me i kind of hope that god and heaven exists but i dont really beleive in it. And if i really did affend anybody and your beleif in god and i am really sorry and everybody has the right to beleive whatever they wish beleive. I thought that post you made was very good and hade alot of sense to it. Someone finally agrees with me :rawk:
EDIT: when i wrote this i didnt read the rest of the posts but theres alot of good theories in here.

[RememberingNever]

It would really suck if there is no life after death. I truly can&#39;t imagine how death must be. People should belive in God, because what if heaven does exsist? You&#39;d die and go to hell because you where a non-believer. :unsure:

[ryanlp2004]

Originally posted by RememberingNever@Jun 10 2004, 09:24 PM
It would really suck if there is no life after death. I truly can&#39;t imagine how death must be. People should belive in God, because what if heaven does exsist? You&#39;d die and go to hell because you where a non-believer. :unsure:
uhh wow thats kinda scary. I never thought about it that way.

[Jila]

Originally posted by RememberingNever@Jun 10 2004, 01:24 PM
It would really suck if there is no life after death. I truly can&#39;t imagine how death must be. People should belive in God, because what if heaven does exsist? You&#39;d die and go to hell because you where a non-believer. :unsure:
oh, just in case god exists and there is a heaven in hell, im going to believe in him so i dont go to hell.

[/sarcasm]


if heaven and hell really did exist and you believe in god because of that reason, than that means you truly dont believe in god, therefore you wouldnt go to heaven anyway.

besides, why would you want to worship someone who puts you in eternal damnation just because you dont believe in them when there is even no way to prove they exist?

i think life after death was just made up so people wouldnt be so scared to die. or just a simple explination that so many people accepted.

[Whimsicality]

Originally posted by PyRoMaNiaK@Jun 10 2004, 07:17 PM
i think life after death was just made up so people wouldnt be so scared to die. or just a simple explination that so many people accepted.
I think that&#39;s right...no one really knows what happens, but the Christian version is easy to accept because it&#39;s a more or less happy one, and it makes people feel better.

I personally think "poof and gone" is more likely, but whatever.

[Link04]

Originally posted by Will@Jun 9 2004, 10:26 PM
Logical, even though it is all made up?




If religion is supposed to be the way things really are, then why has it not existed since the beginning of time? Religion has not been around all that long (I am not sure when exactly it started, but it was at least two thousand four years ago). Why did it take so long for religion to "exist"?
"Made up" is your opinion, not a fact. Like I said, read up on Aquinas&#39;s works and you&#39;ll see the logic behind it.

Also, like I posted earlier, it&#39;s on the logical conclusion that there had to be a moving, willful cause at the beginning of all the effects that have ever happened throughout the universe. Nothing can come from nothing, the universe and all that is in it has to have come from something infinite. And that is God to monotheists.

[Jila]

Originally posted by Link04+Jun 10 2004, 05:16 PM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (Link04 @ Jun 10 2004, 05:16 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> <!--QuoteBegin--Will@Jun 9 2004, 10:26 PM
Logical, even though it is all made up?




If religion is supposed to be the way things really are, then why has it not existed since the beginning of time? Religion has not been around all that long (I am not sure when exactly it started, but it was at least two thousand four years ago). Why did it take so long for religion to "exist"?
"Made up" is your opinion, not a fact. Like I said, read up on Aquinas&#39;s works and you&#39;ll see the logic behind it.

Also, like I posted earlier, it&#39;s on the logical conclusion that there had to be a moving, willful cause at the beginning of all the effects that have ever happened throughout the universe. Nothing can come from nothing, the universe and all that is in it has to have come from something infinite. And that is God to monotheists. [/b][/quote]
if nothing can come from nothing, then where did god come from?

[Link04]

Crap, owned by a spelling mistake, my entire point was that nothing can come from nothing, I&#39;ll edit it (again). But you get what I&#39;m saying, there HAD to be something infinite in the universe if nothing cannot come from nothing.

[Jila]

Originally posted by Link04@Jun 10 2004, 05:24 PM
Crap, owned by a spelling mistake, my entire point was that nothing CAN&#39;T come from nothing, I&#39;ll edit it. But you get what I&#39;m saying, there HAD to be something infinite in the universe if nothing cannot come from nothing.
what? is that grammatically correct because that doesnt seem written right

[Maëlle]

Originally posted by Link04@Jun 10 2004, 09:24 PM
Crap, owned by a spelling mistake, my entire point was that nothing CAN&#39;T come from nothing, I&#39;ll edit it. But you get what I&#39;m saying, there HAD to be something infinite in the universe if nothing cannot come from nothing.
If I understand correctly we can&#39;t come from nothing so that would mean that the evolution theory is the one that makes sense? And how could God exist if there was nothing before him? You just said that &#39;&#39;things&#39;&#39; can&#39;t come from nothing.




Oh sh*t, I&#39;m confused.

[Jila]

Originally posted by Maëlle+Jun 10 2004, 05:42 PM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (Maëlle @ Jun 10 2004, 05:42 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> <!--QuoteBegin--Link04@Jun 10 2004, 09:24 PM
Crap, owned by a spelling mistake, my entire point was that nothing CAN&#39;T come from nothing, I&#39;ll edit it.* But you get what I&#39;m saying, there HAD to be something infinite in the universe if nothing cannot come from nothing.
If I understand correctly we can&#39;t come from nothing so that would mean that the evolution theory is the one that makes sense? And how could God exist if there was nothing before him? You just said that &#39;&#39;things&#39;&#39; can&#39;t come from nothing.




Oh sh*t, I&#39;m confused. [/b][/quote]
:lol:

me too.


but yeah, thats what im trying to say.

Link04: i see where youre coming from, but still, if something has to be created by someone (assuming god), then who created god?

[The Doctor]

I believe that if there is a God, he cant force us to believe. Man was given one thing in life, free will. If there is a God, he cant punish us for having it. "He" gave it to us&#33; Free will gives us our beliefs. We can choose to believe in a God or not. We shouldnt be punished for it. Thats why I dont believe in that "if you dont believe in God you go to Hell."

[Will]

Originally posted by Link04+Jun 10 2004, 08:16 PM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (Link04 @ Jun 10 2004, 08:16 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> <!--QuoteBegin--Will@Jun 9 2004, 10:26 PM
Logical, even though it is all made up?




If religion is supposed to be the way things really are, then why has it not existed since the beginning of time? Religion has not been around all that long (I am not sure when exactly it started, but it was at least two thousand four years ago). Why did it take so long for religion to "exist"?
"Made up" is your opinion, not a fact. Like I said, read up on Aquinas&#39;s works and you&#39;ll see the logic behind it.

Also, like I posted earlier, it&#39;s on the logical conclusion that there had to be a moving, willful cause at the beginning of all the effects that have ever happened throughout the universe. Nothing cannot come from nothing, the universe and all that is in it has to have come from something infinite. And that is God to monotheists. [/b][/quote]
Uh, no... "made up" is definitely a fact. After the Greeks and all that, Christianity came along and paved the way for the Roman Empire. It came out of nowhere, because it was made up by people who needed an explanation for worldly things around them, just like how the Greeks created their mythology to explain the things around them.

You have absolutely no idea what you&#39;re talking about at all.

[Leones]

I think religion was made up by humans. Humans need to belief in something to hold on in their lives and to explain the things they don&#39;t know. Like they say: &#39;oh, well God made it&#39;. If you want to belief in something then soon you belief. And belief becomes the thruth to peope. A lot of humans wanted to belief a lot of different things, their beliefs became thruth, in my opinion,and there came all the religions from. And many religions are actually the same religion. The same god. You can give them different names, but all the gods where created by humans for the same reason. All the gods can do the same, identical. So, why are humans fighting about who has the real god? Sometimes, I really think that people need to open up.

(this is in my opinion)

[Link04]

Originally posted by PyRoMaNiaK+Jun 11 2004, 02:03 AM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (PyRoMaNiaK @ Jun 11 2004, 02:03 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'>
Originally posted by -Maëlle@Jun 10 2004, 05:42 PM
<!--QuoteBegin--Link04@Jun 10 2004, 09:24 PM
Crap, owned by a spelling mistake, my entire point was that nothing CAN&#39;T come from nothing, I&#39;ll edit it.* But you get what I&#39;m saying, there HAD to be something infinite in the universe if nothing cannot come from nothing.
If I understand correctly we can&#39;t come from nothing so that would mean that the evolution theory is the one that makes sense? And how could God exist if there was nothing before him? You just said that &#39;&#39;things&#39;&#39; can&#39;t come from nothing.




Oh sh*t, I&#39;m confused.
:lol:

me too.


but yeah, thats what im trying to say.

Link04: i see where youre coming from, but still, if something has to be created by someone (assuming god), then who created god? [/b][/quote]
Wow, last night was not one of my best...lol. I completely confused my self, but now I&#39;ve got it straight. It turns out I was correct with my initial post, my edited version is what&#39;s incorrect. What I meant to say is: From nothing, comes nothing. With that said, there HAS to be something infinite through which all things come.

The thing is, God is infinite. God is beyond time and space. God didn&#39;t come from anything, he was already in existence. Now, that&#39;s a pretty hefty thought for tons of people to believe just by faith, but it&#39;s the logic of monotheists.

[Alacrity]

I&#39;m going to put this into words I can understand and hopefully you can too.


This dude God created the universe. He put two people down on the earth, and they procreated and made more people and more people evolved from that. God was always there, but it took awhile for the dumbasses to realize "Oh sh*t, something had to make us, we have to have a purpose in this world." THAT&#39;S why religion wasn&#39;t always there. Jesus came along and really woke them up with the knowledge he knew of God, but it pissed the people that refused to believe him so much that they crucified him. After he rose, it really made people think that God is there. Now we have all the different religions and christianity as we know it.


That&#39;s how I think of being Christian and my very short summary of the bible in my words. Now, people of our time and a bit farther back, you may consider them the "monotheists" that Link was talking about, came and resettled everything about Christianity and what it was based on. Most people were happy with their idea of their religions...until the atheists came along (no offense to them) and started questioning all of the things that you&#39;re supposed to have faith in in a religion. The point of believing in God is so have faith that he is great ultimate being.



I just had to say that, lol. I read the thread and it seems like too many people have the wrong idea about christianity therefore all the back and forth about what&#39;s what in the bible. It was written by Jesus&#39;s desiples, therefore of course it is foulable. The bible to me is more like a guideline and reassurance of what great things God can do. Don&#39;t take everything in there so literally. Did the antichrist and christ fight like they did in revalations? Maybe, but doubtful, we all know that. For all we know they can me medafores of what was happening with the world during that time. Don&#39;t question it until you know exactly what happened at the time.

[Link04]

Originally posted by Will+Jun 11 2004, 02:54 AM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (Will @ Jun 11 2004, 02:54 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'>
Originally posted by -Link04@Jun 10 2004, 08:16 PM
<!--QuoteBegin--Will@Jun 9 2004, 10:26 PM
Logical, even though it is all made up?




If religion is supposed to be the way things really are, then why has it not existed since the beginning of time? Religion has not been around all that long (I am not sure when exactly it started, but it was at least two thousand four years ago). Why did it take so long for religion to "exist"?
"Made up" is your opinion, not a fact. Like I said, read up on Aquinas&#39;s works and you&#39;ll see the logic behind it.

Also, like I posted earlier, it&#39;s on the logical conclusion that there had to be a moving, willful cause at the beginning of all the effects that have ever happened throughout the universe. Nothing cannot come from nothing, the universe and all that is in it has to have come from something infinite. And that is God to monotheists.
Uh, no... "made up" is definitely a fact. After the Greeks and all that, Christianity came along and paved the way for the Roman Empire. It came out of nowhere, because it was made up by people who needed an explanation for worldly things around them, just like how the Greeks created their mythology to explain the things around them.

You have absolutely no idea what you&#39;re talking about at all. [/b][/quote]
Christianity didn&#39;t pop out from no-where, Will. It&#39;s routes are in Judaism, which has it&#39;s routes in God.

"Made up" IS an opinion. It only becomes a fact to the individual, not everyone else. Can you directly prove to me that my religion is made up? No, you cannot possibly do that; all you have is speculation and opinions. And as long as others, such as I, believe that our religion is divinely inspired, there are two perspectives. Facts do not have two perspectives. According to scripture, Judaism was inspired in the human race directly through God. There&#39;s your "made up", Will.

[Kæton]

Spontaneous generation has been proven wrong by early scientists.

[Maëlle]

Originally posted by Link04+Jun 11 2004, 04:16 PM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (Link04 @ Jun 11 2004, 04:16 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'>
Originally posted by -PyRoMaNiaK@Jun 11 2004, 02:03 AM

Originally posted by -Maëlle@Jun 10 2004, 05:42 PM
<!--QuoteBegin--Link04@Jun 10 2004, 09:24 PM
Crap, owned by a spelling mistake, my entire point was that nothing CAN&#39;T come from nothing, I&#39;ll edit it.* But you get what I&#39;m saying, there HAD to be something infinite in the universe if nothing cannot come from nothing.
If I understand correctly we can&#39;t come from nothing so that would mean that the evolution theory is the one that makes sense? And how could God exist if there was nothing before him? You just said that &#39;&#39;things&#39;&#39; can&#39;t come from nothing.




Oh sh*t, I&#39;m confused.
:lol:

me too.


but yeah, thats what im trying to say.

Link04: i see where youre coming from, but still, if something has to be created by someone (assuming god), then who created god?
Wow, last night was not one of my best...lol. I completely confused my self, but now I&#39;ve got it straight. It turns out I was correct with my initial post, my edited version is what&#39;s incorrect. What I meant to say is: From nothing, comes nothing. With that said, there HAS to be something infinite through which all things come.

The thing is, God is infinite. God is beyond time and space. God didn&#39;t come from anything, he was already in existence. Now, that&#39;s a pretty hefty thought for tons of people to believe just by faith, but it&#39;s the logic of monotheists.[/b][/quote]
But there has to be a beginning somewhere&#33; God had to be created at some point (that is if he really exists). There must be a time where he wasn&#39;t there just like everything in this universe&#33;


And while I&#39;m at it: It was said that Adam and Eve were created just like we are right? So what do you say of all the fossils of Homos Sapiens and all those previous forms of humans?

[Will]

Originally posted by Link04+Jun 11 2004, 03:37 PM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (Link04 @ Jun 11 2004, 03:37 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'>
Originally posted by -Will@Jun 11 2004, 02:54 AM

Originally posted by -Link04@Jun 10 2004, 08:16 PM
<!--QuoteBegin--Will@Jun 9 2004, 10:26 PM
Logical, even though it is all made up?




If religion is supposed to be the way things really are, then why has it not existed since the beginning of time? Religion has not been around all that long (I am not sure when exactly it started, but it was at least two thousand four years ago). Why did it take so long for religion to "exist"?
"Made up" is your opinion, not a fact. Like I said, read up on Aquinas&#39;s works and you&#39;ll see the logic behind it.

Also, like I posted earlier, it&#39;s on the logical conclusion that there had to be a moving, willful cause at the beginning of all the effects that have ever happened throughout the universe. Nothing cannot come from nothing, the universe and all that is in it has to have come from something infinite. And that is God to monotheists.
Uh, no... "made up" is definitely a fact. After the Greeks and all that, Christianity came along and paved the way for the Roman Empire. It came out of nowhere, because it was made up by people who needed an explanation for worldly things around them, just like how the Greeks created their mythology to explain the things around them.

You have absolutely no idea what you&#39;re talking about at all.
Christianity didn&#39;t pop out from no-where, Will. It&#39;s routes are in Judaism, which has it&#39;s routes in God.

"Made up" IS an opinion. It only becomes a fact to the individual, not everyone else. Can you directly prove to me that my religion is made up? No, you cannot possibly do that; all you have is speculation and opinions. And as long as others, such as I, believe that our religion is divinely inspired, there are two perspectives. Facts do not have two perspectives. According to scripture, Judaism was inspired in the human race directly through God. There&#39;s your "made up", Will. [/b][/quote]
Exactly. According to scripture. What was this scripture written by?

PEOPLE. NOT GOD.

[Link04]

Scripture written by people, but divinely inspired by God. Whether he spoke to them directly, portrayed them an image through a dream, or whatever, it&#39;s inspired by God, not made up in the human mind. ^_^

No need for the giant bold text...

[Will]

So did some guy who throws lightning bolts from the sky inspire the Greeks to come up with their mythology? I don&#39;t think so.

[Maëlle]

Originally posted by Will@Jun 11 2004, 08:22 PM
So did some guy who throws lightning bolts from the sky inspire the Greeks to come up with their mythology? I don&#39;t think so.
Will got a point there, Link04&#33;

[Link04]

Not that I believe in Greek mythology, Will, but remember, impossible is an opinion also, not a fact. And pretend I&#39;m not a Christian for a moment. I&#39;d say Greek mythology makes more sence than atheism. Greek mythology follows the same logic I posted earlier, about how something infinite must have created everything, how there has to be something beyond time for this whole universe to work, since in fact, nothing can be created from nothing. Now, Christianity is my personal belief. But back to the statement you made a few pages ago, religion on a whole is anything but bull.

[F-ck Casey]

Link has a point, as much as I hate to admit it.

The Bible was written by men, yes, but Jesus told them what to write or some ####.

I don&#39;t know, I don&#39;t care. I&#39;m Satanist so this is all completely irrelevent to me.

[Will]

Actually, the Greeks didn&#39;t believe that something infinite created everything.

They had what they called Chaos, which was "a vast, seething confusion," and it eventually formed the universe.

Sound like the Big Bang Theory to you?




Also, Jesus was real, but I doubt he was the son of God. And it&#39;s also impossible for a virgin to get pregnant unless she has sex or artificial insemination. And they definitely didn&#39;t have artificial insemination 2004 years ago. I find it hard to believe that some guy floating in the sky pointed at some random chick and said, "YOU. FATHER MY CHILD."

And if I was this Joseph character, I&#39;d be pissed at Mary for getting pregnant by some other guy.

Family feud.




[edit] Religion being bull is my opinion. I think it&#39;s bull because of the rules and crap that these religions have. For example, homosexuality being wrong and not natural. Seeing as how homosexuality is caused by a chemical imbalance at birth, it IS natural.

Oh, and I like what that other person said. If Adam and Eve were the "first humans," what the hell is up with all these other forms of homo sapiens? Homo erectus, Australopithicus, etc.

[Kæton]

Why is it so important we believe in anything more than the life we live now?

I don&#39;t get why we bother to think anything else.





...Keatonism is the way to go.

[Link04]

Hm, I haven&#39;t read up on my Greek mythology lately, so I&#39;ll trust you on that one. Did they believe in Chaos as a force or being?

Either way, refer to my last post to what I think of "impossible," as far as the immaculate conception goes.

[Will]

Originally posted by Link04@Jun 11 2004, 07:39 PM
Hm, I haven&#39;t read up on my Greek mythology lately, so I&#39;ll trust you on that one. Did they believe in Chaos as a force or being?

Either way, refer to my last post to what I think of "impossible," as far as the immaculate conception goes.
They believe that it was a force.

And that force eventually created the first 12 Titans, who then procreated and the 12 gods and goddesses came, etc.

But their world didn&#39;t just come from nothing like religious beliefs.

[Link04]

Well, I suppose one could argue that "Chaos" is an infinite force comparable to God, but I don&#39;t know enough about it to make any comparison.

[Kæton]

So why did God make neanderthals, too? :unsure:


Neanderthals weren&#39;t the same as homosapiens, so where does that fall into play...? Also, the first homosapiens were found around Africa and had ape-like forms, which thusly means that evolution occoured. That means God looked like an ape, doesn&#39;t it?

Er. I just confused myself. This is why I never put logic into religion. But if someone could explain that to me, please do :).

Oh, and why is there similar species (homosapiens and neanderthals), and only one survived? That means God made two species in his figure, right? :huh:


Oh and don&#39;t tell me evolution didn&#39;t happen, that won&#39;t tell me anything. I want a logical answer.

[Will]

Exactly.

I mean, if Adam and Eve were the first people on Earth, then why does scientific study prove that humans and chimpanzees evolved from something similar?

If Adam and Eve were the first people on Earth, there would be nothing before them, correct? If that&#39;s the case, then why are there so many different forms of humans that came before them?

Evolution > *

[Maëlle]

Originally posted by Will@Jun 11 2004, 09:00 PM
Exactly.

I mean, if Adam and Eve were the first people on Earth, then why does scientific study prove that humans and chimpanzees evolved from something similar?

If Adam and Eve were the first people on Earth, there would be nothing before them, correct? If that&#39;s the case, then why are there so many different forms of humans that came before them?

Evolution > *
Religion probably consider previous forms of humans were animals just like they thought with Amerindians, etc.

[ass_kicker]

Originally posted by Casey@Jun 12 2004, 12:31 AM
Link has a point, as much as I hate to admit it.

The Bible was written by men, yes, but Jesus told them what to write or some ####.

I don&#39;t know, I don&#39;t care. I&#39;m Satanist so this is all completely irrelevent to me.
so what do you believe in?... sorry if it sounds like im teasing you. i really dont mean it, im just interested.

[Alacrity]

"There CAN&#39;T be a God&#33;&#33;&#33; Are you kidding me?&#33;?&#33;? We have our theories of evolution and what happened way back when nobody that was alive can remember&#33;"


Oprative word there being theories. Want to talk about homosapians and fossils and the Big Bang theory? Guess what? They were all theories made up by scientists&#33; Scientists are men. Men and humans by nature are foulable. Come back to me and tell me that someone&#39;s God isn&#39;t real when those theories become laws. Then you can have reasonable proof to battle the bible and other documents that religions have. Right now all your debating on is speculation.

[Dedicated]

Originally posted by ass_kicker+Jun 13 2004, 12:51 PM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (ass_kicker @ Jun 13 2004, 12:51 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> <!--QuoteBegin--Casey@Jun 12 2004, 12:31 AM
Link has a point, as much as I hate to admit it.

The Bible was written by men, yes, but Jesus told them what to write or some ####.

I don&#39;t know, I don&#39;t care. I&#39;m Satanist so this is all completely irrelevent to me.
so what do you believe in?... sorry if it sounds like im teasing you. i really dont mean it, im just interested. [/b][/quote]
Erm... Satan maybe?



*Turns to Keatonism*

[ass_kicker]

Originally posted by Dedicated+Jun 13 2004, 02:34 PM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (Dedicated @ Jun 13 2004, 02:34 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'>
Originally posted by -ass_kicker@Jun 13 2004, 12:51 PM
<!--QuoteBegin--Casey@Jun 12 2004, 12:31 AM
Link has a point, as much as I hate to admit it.

The Bible was written by men, yes, but Jesus told them what to write or some ####.

I don&#39;t know, I don&#39;t care. I&#39;m Satanist so this is all completely irrelevent to me.
so what do you believe in?... sorry if it sounds like im teasing you. i really dont mean it, im just interested.
Erm... Satan maybe? [/b][/quote]
....yeah i figured that out. :shifty: i mean you know christians have 10 commendments and all that crap? what do you have to do as a satanist?... pray or go to meetings...

[Dean]

I&#39;m atheist. It&#39;s likely there is no God or no Satan, one-celled organisms just randomly devoloped on this planet, and here we are now...

[Jila]

Originally posted by ass_kicker+Jun 13 2004, 08:56 AM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (ass_kicker @ Jun 13 2004, 08:56 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'>
Originally posted by -Dedicated@Jun 13 2004, 02:34 PM

Originally posted by -ass_kicker@Jun 13 2004, 12:51 PM
<!--QuoteBegin--Casey@Jun 12 2004, 12:31 AM
Link has a point, as much as I hate to admit it.

The Bible was written by men, yes, but Jesus told them what to write or some ####.

I don&#39;t know, I don&#39;t care. I&#39;m Satanist so this is all completely irrelevent to me.
so what do you believe in?... sorry if it sounds like im teasing you. i really dont mean it, im just interested.
Erm... Satan maybe?
....yeah i figured that out. :shifty: i mean you know christians have 10 commendments and all that crap? what do you have to do as a satanist?... pray or go to meetings... [/b][/quote]
you know satanists dont worship satan

[arT saveS]

Originally posted by PyRoMaNiaK+Jun 13 2004, 03:17 PM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (PyRoMaNiaK @ Jun 13 2004, 03:17 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'>
Originally posted by -ass_kicker@Jun 13 2004, 08:56 AM

Originally posted by -Dedicated@Jun 13 2004, 02:34 PM

Originally posted by -ass_kicker@Jun 13 2004, 12:51 PM
<!--QuoteBegin--Casey@Jun 12 2004, 12:31 AM
Link has a point, as much as I hate to admit it.

The Bible was written by men, yes, but Jesus told them what to write or some ####.

I don&#39;t know, I don&#39;t care. I&#39;m Satanist so this is all completely irrelevent to me.
so what do you believe in?... sorry if it sounds like im teasing you. i really dont mean it, im just interested.
Erm... Satan maybe?
....yeah i figured that out. :shifty: i mean you know christians have 10 commendments and all that crap? what do you have to do as a satanist?... pray or go to meetings...
you know satanists dont worship satan [/b][/quote]
Er...yes they do. True satanists worship Satan and are set against god and jesus christ.

Atheists don&#39;t worship satan.

[Jila]

Originally posted by A Risen Soul+Jun 13 2004, 01:53 PM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (A Risen Soul @ Jun 13 2004, 01:53 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'>
Originally posted by -PyRoMaNiaK@Jun 13 2004, 03:17 PM

Originally posted by -ass_kicker@Jun 13 2004, 08:56 AM

Originally posted by -Dedicated@Jun 13 2004, 02:34 PM

Originally posted by -ass_kicker@Jun 13 2004, 12:51 PM
<!--QuoteBegin--Casey@Jun 12 2004, 12:31 AM
Link has a point, as much as I hate to admit it.

The Bible was written by men, yes, but Jesus told them what to write or some ####.

I don&#39;t know, I don&#39;t care. I&#39;m Satanist so this is all completely irrelevent to me.
so what do you believe in?... sorry if it sounds like im teasing you. i really dont mean it, im just interested.
Erm... Satan maybe?
....yeah i figured that out. :shifty: i mean you know christians have 10 commendments and all that crap? what do you have to do as a satanist?... pray or go to meetings...
you know satanists dont worship satan
Er...yes they do. True satanists worship Satan and are set against god and jesus christ.

Atheists don&#39;t worship satan. [/b][/quote]
er.. no. real satanists dont worship satan. the trendy people who think theyre satanists do, or at least say they do.


"Satanism is Satanism not due to our worship of any deity, but for the philosophy that we stand for. We recognize ourselves as gods, and we hold our own perspective on life as holy and revere our own experiences as the only truth we can ever know. "


"Satanism is the utter rejection of the spiritual way of theistic religions, and the honest admittence that we are just animals who evolve as any other complex system."

their beliefs..

- They do not worship a living deity.
- Major emphasis is placed on the power and authority of the individual Satanist, rather than on a god or goddess.
- They believe that "no redeemer liveth" - that each person is their own redeemer, fully responsible for the direction of their own life.
- "Satanism respects and exalts life. Children and animals are the purest expressions of that life force, and as such are held sacred and precious..."

i know they have like this list of 9 things or whatever, i just have to find it.

[arT saveS]

Originally posted by PyRoMaNiaK+Jun 13 2004, 04:05 PM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (PyRoMaNiaK @ Jun 13 2004, 04:05 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'>
Originally posted by -A Risen Soul@Jun 13 2004, 01:53 PM

Originally posted by -PyRoMaNiaK@Jun 13 2004, 03:17 PM

Originally posted by -ass_kicker@Jun 13 2004, 08:56 AM

Originally posted by -Dedicated@Jun 13 2004, 02:34 PM

Originally posted by -ass_kicker@Jun 13 2004, 12:51 PM
<!--QuoteBegin--Casey@Jun 12 2004, 12:31 AM
Link has a point, as much as I hate to admit it.

The Bible was written by men, yes, but Jesus told them what to write or some ####.

I don&#39;t know, I don&#39;t care. I&#39;m Satanist so this is all completely irrelevent to me.
so what do you believe in?... sorry if it sounds like im teasing you. i really dont mean it, im just interested.
Erm... Satan maybe?
....yeah i figured that out. :shifty: i mean you know christians have 10 commendments and all that crap? what do you have to do as a satanist?... pray or go to meetings...
you know satanists dont worship satan
Er...yes they do. True satanists worship Satan and are set against god and jesus christ.

Atheists don&#39;t worship satan.
er.. no. real satanists dont worship satan. the trendy people who think theyre satanists do, or at least say they do.


"Satanism is Satanism not due to our worship of any deity, but for the philosophy that we stand for. We recognize ourselves as gods, and we hold our own perspective on life as holy and revere our own experiences as the only truth we can ever know. "


"Satanism is the utter rejection of the spiritual way of theistic religions, and the honest admittence that we are just animals who evolve as any other complex system."

their beliefs..

- They do not worship a living deity.
- Major emphasis is placed on the power and authority of the individual Satanist, rather than on a god or goddess.
- They believe that "no redeemer liveth" - that each person is their own redeemer, fully responsible for the direction of their own life.
- "Satanism respects and exalts life. Children and animals are the purest expressions of that life force, and as such are held sacred and precious..."

i know they have like this list of 9 things or whatever, i just have to find it. [/b][/quote]
Hmm...that means everything I&#39;ve ever read on Satanism is false...


...Well then, I&#39;m not atheist. I&#39;m satanist.



...Odd.

[Jila]

here i found it..

The Nine Statements Of The Church Of Satan:

SATAN REPRESENTS:
1. Indulgence instead of abstinence.
2. Vital Existence instead of spiritual pipe-dreams.
3. Undefiled Wisdom instead of hypocritical self-deceit.
4. Kindness to those who deserve it, instead of love wasted on ingrates
5. Vengeance instead of turning the other cheek.
6. Responsibility to the responsible instead of concern for psychic vampires.
7. Man as just another animal, sometimes better, more often worse than those that walk on all fours, who, because of his "divine spiritual and intellectual development," has become the most vicious animal of all.
8. Represents all the so-called sins, as they all lead to physical, mental or emotional gratification.
9. Satan has been the best friend the church has ever had, as he has kept it in business all these years.

i believe in the satanist religion and id even be one except i dont want to be tagged with a religion

[arT saveS]

6. Responsibility to the responsible instead of concern for psychic vampires.



:wth:


Explain?

[Jila]

Originally posted by A Risen Soul@Jun 13 2004, 02:27 PM

6. Responsibility to the responsible instead of concern for psychic vampires.



:wth:


Explain?

"SATANISM represents responsibility to the responsible, instead of concern for psychic vampires. Many people who walk the earth practice the fine art of making others feel responsible and even indebted to them, without cause. Satanism observes these leeches in their true light. Psychic vampires are individuals who drain others of their vital energy. This type of person can he found in all avenues of society. They fill no useful purpose in our lives, and are neither love objects nor true friends. Yet we feel responsible to the psychic vampire without knowing why."* (Satanic Bible, pg 75)


"Unfortunately, we are often put upon to do things we do not genuinely feel should be required of us. A conscientious person finds it very difficult to decide between voluntary and imposed charity. He wants to do what is right and just, and finds it perplexing trying to decide exactly who he should help and what degree of aid should rightfully be expected of him. Each person must decide for himself what his obligations are to his respective friends, family, and community. Before donating his time and money to those outside his immediate family and close circle of friends, he must decide what he can afford, without depriving those closest to him. When taking these things into consideration he must be certain to include himself among those who mean most to him. He must carefully evaluate the validity of the request and the personality or motives of the person asking it of him."


(Anton LaVey), Satanic Bible Pages 75 and 77)

[arT saveS]

Originally posted by PyRoMaNiaK+Jun 13 2004, 04:35 PM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (PyRoMaNiaK @ Jun 13 2004, 04:35 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> <!--QuoteBegin--A Risen Soul@Jun 13 2004, 02:27 PM

6. Responsibility to the responsible instead of concern for psychic vampires.



:wth:


Explain?

"SATANISM represents responsibility to the responsible, instead of concern for psychic vampires. Many people who walk the earth practice the fine art of making others feel responsible and even indebted to them, without cause. Satanism observes these leeches in their true light. Psychic vampires are individuals who drain others of their vital energy. This type of person can he found in all avenues of society. They fill no useful purpose in our lives, and are neither love objects nor true friends. Yet we feel responsible to the psychic vampire without knowing why."* (Satanic Bible, pg 75)


"Unfortunately, we are often put upon to do things we do not genuinely feel should be required of us. A conscientious person finds it very difficult to decide between voluntary and imposed charity. He wants to do what is right and just, and finds it perplexing trying to decide exactly who he should help and what degree of aid should rightfully be expected of him. Each person must decide for himself what his obligations are to his respective friends, family, and community. Before donating his time and money to those outside his immediate family and close circle of friends, he must decide what he can afford, without depriving those closest to him. When taking these things into consideration he must be certain to include himself among those who mean most to him. He must carefully evaluate the validity of the request and the personality or motives of the person asking it of him."


(Anton LaVey), Satanic Bible Pages 75 and 77) [/b][/quote]
Hmm...
...Could you tell me what site your getting this from?

[Jila]

Originally posted by A Risen Soul+Jun 13 2004, 02:38 PM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (A Risen Soul @ Jun 13 2004, 02:38 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'>
Originally posted by -PyRoMaNiaK@Jun 13 2004, 04:35 PM
<!--QuoteBegin--A Risen Soul@Jun 13 2004, 02:27 PM

6. Responsibility to the responsible instead of concern for psychic vampires.



:wth:


Explain?

"SATANISM represents responsibility to the responsible, instead of concern for psychic vampires. Many people who walk the earth practice the fine art of making others feel responsible and even indebted to them, without cause. Satanism observes these leeches in their true light. Psychic vampires are individuals who drain others of their vital energy. This type of person can he found in all avenues of society. They fill no useful purpose in our lives, and are neither love objects nor true friends. Yet we feel responsible to the psychic vampire without knowing why."* (Satanic Bible, pg 75)


"Unfortunately, we are often put upon to do things we do not genuinely feel should be required of us. A conscientious person finds it very difficult to decide between voluntary and imposed charity. He wants to do what is right and just, and finds it perplexing trying to decide exactly who he should help and what degree of aid should rightfully be expected of him. Each person must decide for himself what his obligations are to his respective friends, family, and community. Before donating his time and money to those outside his immediate family and close circle of friends, he must decide what he can afford, without depriving those closest to him. When taking these things into consideration he must be certain to include himself among those who mean most to him. He must carefully evaluate the validity of the request and the personality or motives of the person asking it of him."


(Anton LaVey), Satanic Bible Pages 75 and 77)
Hmm...
...Could you tell me what site your getting this from? [/b][/quote]
i got it from various sites. just on google search :lol:

[arT saveS]

Originally posted by PyRoMaNiaK+Jun 13 2004, 04:40 PM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (PyRoMaNiaK @ Jun 13 2004, 04:40 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'>
Originally posted by -A Risen Soul@Jun 13 2004, 02:38 PM

Originally posted by -PyRoMaNiaK@Jun 13 2004, 04:35 PM
<!--QuoteBegin--A Risen Soul@Jun 13 2004, 02:27 PM

6. Responsibility to the responsible instead of concern for psychic vampires.



:wth:


Explain?

"SATANISM represents responsibility to the responsible, instead of concern for psychic vampires. Many people who walk the earth practice the fine art of making others feel responsible and even indebted to them, without cause. Satanism observes these leeches in their true light. Psychic vampires are individuals who drain others of their vital energy. This type of person can he found in all avenues of society. They fill no useful purpose in our lives, and are neither love objects nor true friends. Yet we feel responsible to the psychic vampire without knowing why."* (Satanic Bible, pg 75)


"Unfortunately, we are often put upon to do things we do not genuinely feel should be required of us. A conscientious person finds it very difficult to decide between voluntary and imposed charity. He wants to do what is right and just, and finds it perplexing trying to decide exactly who he should help and what degree of aid should rightfully be expected of him. Each person must decide for himself what his obligations are to his respective friends, family, and community. Before donating his time and money to those outside his immediate family and close circle of friends, he must decide what he can afford, without depriving those closest to him. When taking these things into consideration he must be certain to include himself among those who mean most to him. He must carefully evaluate the validity of the request and the personality or motives of the person asking it of him."


(Anton LaVey), Satanic Bible Pages 75 and 77)
Hmm...
...Could you tell me what site your getting this from?
i got it from various sites. just on google search :lol: [/b][/quote]
Ahh :lol: . Google it, got it. Thanks. :P

[Jila]

Originally posted by A Risen Soul+Jun 13 2004, 02:41 PM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (A Risen Soul @ Jun 13 2004, 02:41 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'>
Originally posted by -PyRoMaNiaK@Jun 13 2004, 04:40 PM

Originally posted by -A Risen Soul@Jun 13 2004, 02:38 PM

Originally posted by -PyRoMaNiaK@Jun 13 2004, 04:35 PM
<!--QuoteBegin--A Risen Soul@Jun 13 2004, 02:27 PM

6. Responsibility to the responsible instead of concern for psychic vampires.



:wth:


Explain?

"SATANISM represents responsibility to the responsible, instead of concern for psychic vampires. Many people who walk the earth practice the fine art of making others feel responsible and even indebted to them, without cause. Satanism observes these leeches in their true light. Psychic vampires are individuals who drain others of their vital energy. This type of person can he found in all avenues of society. They fill no useful purpose in our lives, and are neither love objects nor true friends. Yet we feel responsible to the psychic vampire without knowing why."* (Satanic Bible, pg 75)


"Unfortunately, we are often put upon to do things we do not genuinely feel should be required of us. A conscientious person finds it very difficult to decide between voluntary and imposed charity. He wants to do what is right and just, and finds it perplexing trying to decide exactly who he should help and what degree of aid should rightfully be expected of him. Each person must decide for himself what his obligations are to his respective friends, family, and community. Before donating his time and money to those outside his immediate family and close circle of friends, he must decide what he can afford, without depriving those closest to him. When taking these things into consideration he must be certain to include himself among those who mean most to him. He must carefully evaluate the validity of the request and the personality or motives of the person asking it of him."


(Anton LaVey), Satanic Bible Pages 75 and 77)
Hmm...
...Could you tell me what site your getting this from?
i got it from various sites. just on google search :lol:
Ahh :lol: . Google it, got it. Thanks. :P [/b][/quote]
i suggest not looking at christian sites with information on satanism (for obvious reasons). they tend to make everything false. :lol:

[arT saveS]

Originally posted by PyRoMaNiaK+Jun 13 2004, 04:44 PM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (PyRoMaNiaK @ Jun 13 2004, 04:44 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'>
Originally posted by -A Risen Soul@Jun 13 2004, 02:41 PM

Originally posted by -PyRoMaNiaK@Jun 13 2004, 04:40 PM

Originally posted by -A Risen Soul@Jun 13 2004, 02:38 PM

Originally posted by -PyRoMaNiaK@Jun 13 2004, 04:35 PM
<!--QuoteBegin--A Risen Soul@Jun 13 2004, 02:27 PM

6. Responsibility to the responsible instead of concern for psychic vampires.



:wth:


Explain?

"SATANISM represents responsibility to the responsible, instead of concern for psychic vampires. Many people who walk the earth practice the fine art of making others feel responsible and even indebted to them, without cause. Satanism observes these leeches in their true light. Psychic vampires are individuals who drain others of their vital energy. This type of person can he found in all avenues of society. They fill no useful purpose in our lives, and are neither love objects nor true friends. Yet we feel responsible to the psychic vampire without knowing why."* (Satanic Bible, pg 75)


"Unfortunately, we are often put upon to do things we do not genuinely feel should be required of us. A conscientious person finds it very difficult to decide between voluntary and imposed charity. He wants to do what is right and just, and finds it perplexing trying to decide exactly who he should help and what degree of aid should rightfully be expected of him. Each person must decide for himself what his obligations are to his respective friends, family, and community. Before donating his time and money to those outside his immediate family and close circle of friends, he must decide what he can afford, without depriving those closest to him. When taking these things into consideration he must be certain to include himself among those who mean most to him. He must carefully evaluate the validity of the request and the personality or motives of the person asking it of him."


(Anton LaVey), Satanic Bible Pages 75 and 77)
Hmm...
...Could you tell me what site your getting this from?
i got it from various sites. just on google search :lol:
Ahh :lol: . Google it, got it. Thanks. :P
i suggest not looking at christian sites with information on satanism (for obvious reasons). they tend to make everything false. :lol: [/b][/quote]
Yeah, I see that now. Wow this is weird...lies&#33;&#33; Everything I know is lies&#33; :&#39;(

[Jila]

Originally posted by A Risen Soul+Jun 13 2004, 02:49 PM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (A Risen Soul @ Jun 13 2004, 02:49 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'>
Originally posted by -PyRoMaNiaK@Jun 13 2004, 04:44 PM

Originally posted by -A Risen Soul@Jun 13 2004, 02:41 PM

Originally posted by -PyRoMaNiaK@Jun 13 2004, 04:40 PM

Originally posted by -A Risen Soul@Jun 13 2004, 02:38 PM

Originally posted by -PyRoMaNiaK@Jun 13 2004, 04:35 PM
<!--QuoteBegin--A Risen Soul@Jun 13 2004, 02:27 PM

6. Responsibility to the responsible instead of concern for psychic vampires.



:wth:


Explain?

"SATANISM represents responsibility to the responsible, instead of concern for psychic vampires. Many people who walk the earth practice the fine art of making others feel responsible and even indebted to them, without cause. Satanism observes these leeches in their true light. Psychic vampires are individuals who drain others of their vital energy. This type of person can he found in all avenues of society. They fill no useful purpose in our lives, and are neither love objects nor true friends. Yet we feel responsible to the psychic vampire without knowing why."* (Satanic Bible, pg 75)


"Unfortunately, we are often put upon to do things we do not genuinely feel should be required of us. A conscientious person finds it very difficult to decide between voluntary and imposed charity. He wants to do what is right and just, and finds it perplexing trying to decide exactly who he should help and what degree of aid should rightfully be expected of him. Each person must decide for himself what his obligations are to his respective friends, family, and community. Before donating his time and money to those outside his immediate family and close circle of friends, he must decide what he can afford, without depriving those closest to him. When taking these things into consideration he must be certain to include himself among those who mean most to him. He must carefully evaluate the validity of the request and the personality or motives of the person asking it of him."


(Anton LaVey), Satanic Bible Pages 75 and 77)
Hmm...
...Could you tell me what site your getting this from?
i got it from various sites. just on google search :lol:
Ahh :lol: . Google it, got it. Thanks. :P
i suggest not looking at christian sites with information on satanism (for obvious reasons). they tend to make everything false. :lol:
Yeah, I see that now. Wow this is weird...lies&#33;&#33; Everything I know is lies&#33; :&#39;( [/b][/quote]
:lol: aww

[arT saveS]

Originally posted by PyRoMaNiaK+Jun 13 2004, 04:55 PM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (PyRoMaNiaK @ Jun 13 2004, 04:55 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'>
Originally posted by -A Risen Soul@Jun 13 2004, 02:49 PM

Originally posted by -PyRoMaNiaK@Jun 13 2004, 04:44 PM

Originally posted by -A Risen Soul@Jun 13 2004, 02:41 PM

Originally posted by -PyRoMaNiaK@Jun 13 2004, 04:40 PM

Originally posted by -A Risen Soul@Jun 13 2004, 02:38 PM

Originally posted by -PyRoMaNiaK@Jun 13 2004, 04:35 PM
<!--QuoteBegin--A Risen Soul@Jun 13 2004, 02:27 PM

6. Responsibility to the responsible instead of concern for psychic vampires.



:wth:


Explain?

"SATANISM represents responsibility to the responsible, instead of concern for psychic vampires. Many people who walk the earth practice the fine art of making others feel responsible and even indebted to them, without cause. Satanism observes these leeches in their true light. Psychic vampires are individuals who drain others of their vital energy. This type of person can he found in all avenues of society. They fill no useful purpose in our lives, and are neither love objects nor true friends. Yet we feel responsible to the psychic vampire without knowing why."* (Satanic Bible, pg 75)


"Unfortunately, we are often put upon to do things we do not genuinely feel should be required of us. A conscientious person finds it very difficult to decide between voluntary and imposed charity. He wants to do what is right and just, and finds it perplexing trying to decide exactly who he should help and what degree of aid should rightfully be expected of him. Each person must decide for himself what his obligations are to his respective friends, family, and community. Before donating his time and money to those outside his immediate family and close circle of friends, he must decide what he can afford, without depriving those closest to him. When taking these things into consideration he must be certain to include himself among those who mean most to him. He must carefully evaluate the validity of the request and the personality or motives of the person asking it of him."


(Anton LaVey), Satanic Bible Pages 75 and 77)
Hmm...
...Could you tell me what site your getting this from?
i got it from various sites. just on google search :lol:
Ahh :lol: . Google it, got it. Thanks. :P
i suggest not looking at christian sites with information on satanism (for obvious reasons). they tend to make everything false. :lol:
Yeah, I see that now. Wow this is weird...lies&#33;&#33; Everything I know is lies&#33; :&#39;(
:lol: aww [/b][/quote]
:lol: You have shown me the light



Agh, we&#39;re gonna get off topic.

Yeah life...erm..I have one..

[Jila]

yeah, its like a quote box pyramid.. almost.

so yeah, evolution. it makes sense.

[Kæton]

Okay, I&#39;m not athiest, I&#39;m Satanist...ish... :wth:.


Always thought I was an athiest, but I guess Keatonism was built off Satanism.


Cool... :wth:

[Jila]

Originally posted by Keaton@Jun 13 2004, 04:04 PM
Okay, I&#39;m not athiest, I&#39;m Satanist...ish... :wth:.


Always thought I was an athiest, but I guess Keatonism was built off Satanism.


Cool... :wth:
:lol:

i read your life stories and i suggest you dont go around saying youre a satanist.. i dont want you to die by those psycho christians or anything..

[Whimsicality]

Originally posted by Keaton@Jun 11 2004, 08:36 PM
Why is it so important we believe in anything more than the life we live now?

I don&#39;t get why we bother to think anything else.





...Keatonism is the way to go.
I&#39;m converting to Keatonism.

[Will]

Originally posted by Alacrity@Jun 13 2004, 08:59 AM
"There CAN&#39;T be a God&#33;&#33;&#33; Are you kidding me?&#33;?&#33;? We have our theories of evolution and what happened way back when nobody that was alive can remember&#33;"


Oprative word there being theories. Want to talk about homosapians and fossils and the Big Bang theory? Guess what? They were all theories made up by scientists&#33; Scientists are men. Men and humans by nature are foulable. Come back to me and tell me that someone&#39;s God isn&#39;t real when those theories become laws. Then you can have reasonable proof to battle the bible and other documents that religions have. Right now all your debating on is speculation.
Uh... wow.

The Big Bang Theory is a theory, yes. But evolution has been proven as fact. You can&#39;t contest or argue against evolution because evolution has been proven.

:rolleyes:

[Jila]

Originally posted by twicethetrouble+Jun 13 2004, 05:27 PM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (twicethetrouble @ Jun 13 2004, 05:27 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> <!--QuoteBegin--Keaton@Jun 11 2004, 08:36 PM
Why is it so important we believe in anything more than the life we live now?

I don&#39;t get why we bother to think anything else.





...Keatonism is the way to go.
I&#39;m converting to Keatonism. [/b][/quote]
i was thinking about doing that too

"what religion are you?"
"oh, im a keatonist"
:wth:

[Alacrity]

Originally posted by Will+Jun 13 2004, 09:32 PM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (Will @ Jun 13 2004, 09:32 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> <!--QuoteBegin--Alacrity@Jun 13 2004, 08:59 AM
"There CAN&#39;T be a God&#33;&#33;&#33; Are you kidding me?&#33;?&#33;? We have our theories of evolution and what happened way back when nobody that was alive can remember&#33;"


Oprative word there being theories. Want to talk about homosapians and fossils and the Big Bang theory? Guess what? They were all theories made up by scientists&#33; Scientists are men. Men and humans by nature are foulable. Come back to me and tell me that someone&#39;s God isn&#39;t real when those theories become laws. Then you can have reasonable proof to battle the bible and other documents that religions have. Right now all your debating on is speculation.
Uh... wow.

The Big Bang Theory is a theory, yes. But evolution has been proven as fact. You can&#39;t contest or argue against evolution because evolution has been proven.

:rolleyes: [/b][/quote]
How, in any way, does evolution relate to the beginning of life? Life theory, here. Evolution may have to do with how people developed, but not as how the world as a whole developed and how life came to be. Also, there&#39;s another thing called natural selection. Don&#39;t use the word evolution when you talk to me, in the world competion is everywhere- the strongest and most fit to live survive. Natural selection can tell you that evolution wasn&#39;t the reason everything changed, it was the fact that the species wasn&#39;t surviving to change itself.

Yes, evolution may have been proven in some ways with fossils and whatnot, but you can&#39;t even make a serious judgement on evolution. The whole idea is just what sounded good and seemed to be right to scientists because of the discovery of fossils. Think of how people actually came up with evolution and more and more it seems more foulable because of all of the guesswork involved.

[Kæton]

So does that mean God looks like a monkey? Or rodent?

[Will]

Darwin&#39;s natural selection thing was based on evolution. We spent a month talking about all that in biology and we had a professor from a college in PA (don&#39;t remember what college) come and talk to use for a day.

[Link04]

Originally posted by Will+Jun 14 2004, 01:32 AM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (Will @ Jun 14 2004, 01:32 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> <!--QuoteBegin--Alacrity@Jun 13 2004, 08:59 AM
"There CAN&#39;T be a God&#33;&#33;&#33; Are you kidding me?&#33;?&#33;? We have our theories of evolution and what happened way back when nobody that was alive can remember&#33;"


Oprative word there being theories. Want to talk about homosapians and fossils and the Big Bang theory? Guess what? They were all theories made up by scientists&#33; Scientists are men. Men and humans by nature are foulable. Come back to me and tell me that someone&#39;s God isn&#39;t real when those theories become laws. Then you can have reasonable proof to battle the bible and other documents that religions have. Right now all your debating on is speculation.
Uh... wow.

The Big Bang Theory is a theory, yes. But evolution has been proven as fact. You can&#39;t contest or argue against evolution because evolution has been proven.

:rolleyes: [/b][/quote]
Evolution, as in, how species change over time, is fact. The origin of life, however, even the origin of human&#39;s, is not fact.

[ella1432]

Firstly, something everyone should know- Logic+Religion do not go together.
Secondly, I believe in my own-ism, not anyone elses.

[ass_kicker]

Originally posted by ella1432@Jun 14 2004, 03:52 PM
Firstly, something everyone should know- Logic+Religion do not go together.
Secondly, I believe in my own-ism, not anyone elses.
so whats your own-ism? what do you believe in?

[Maëlle]

Originally posted by Link04@Jun 14 2004, 11:13 AM

Evolution, as in, how species change over time, is fact. The origin of life, however, even the origin of human&#39;s, is not fact.
Would that mean we arrived as Apes and there was nothing before? :wth:

[Will]

I just want to break up this discussion a little bit by posting a disclaimer:

I completely respect everyone&#39;s opinion on religion and I respect people who are religious.

I&#39;m just pretty passionate about the whole religion thing because so much of it makes no sense in my eyes so I contest it a lot.

Oh well.

[Link04]

Originally posted by ella1432@Jun 14 2004, 03:52 PM
Firstly, something everyone should know- Logic+Religion do not go together.
Secondly, I believe in my own-ism, not anyone elses.
Are you kidding me? As I said earlier, read any of Saint Thomas Aquinas&#39;s works, he proves that religion is more logical than having no religion. I cannot possibly say it better then the man himself, so run a google search and enlighten yourself.

Edit: To Maelle: It&#39;s not even my personal belief that we developed from apes.

Edit: To Will: I&#39;m glad you posted that, Will, I feel the exact same way, but on the religious side.

[Jila]

Originally posted by Link04+Jun 14 2004, 05:06 PM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (Link04 @ Jun 14 2004, 05:06 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> <!--QuoteBegin--ella1432@Jun 14 2004, 03:52 PM
Firstly, something everyone should know- Logic+Religion do not go together.
Secondly, I believe in my own-ism, not anyone elses.
Are you kidding me? As I said earlier, read any of Saint Thomas Aquinas&#39;s works, he proves that religion is more logical than having no religion. I cannot possibly say it better then the man himself, so run a google search and enlighten yourself.

Edit: To Maelle: It&#39;s not even my personal belief that we developed from apes.

Edit: To Will: I&#39;m glad you posted that, Will, I feel the exact same way, but on the religious side. [/b][/quote]
it would be great if you could post something by that guy to "enlighten" us because i dont know what exactly you want us read. im sure as hell not going to read everything.

[F-ck Casey]

Originally posted by PyRoMaNiaK+Jun 14 2004, 08:15 PM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (PyRoMaNiaK @ Jun 14 2004, 08:15 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'>
Originally posted by -Link04@Jun 14 2004, 05:06 PM
<!--QuoteBegin--ella1432@Jun 14 2004, 03:52 PM
Firstly, something everyone should know- Logic+Religion do not go together.
Secondly, I believe in my own-ism, not anyone elses.
Are you kidding me? As I said earlier, read any of Saint Thomas Aquinas&#39;s works, he proves that religion is more logical than having no religion. I cannot possibly say it better then the man himself, so run a google search and enlighten yourself.

Edit: To Maelle: It&#39;s not even my personal belief that we developed from apes.

Edit: To Will: I&#39;m glad you posted that, Will, I feel the exact same way, but on the religious side.
it would be great if you could post something by that guy to "enlighten" us because i dont know what exactly you want us read. im sure as hell not going to read everything. [/b][/quote]
Maybe? (http://www.iep.utm.edu/a/aquinas.htm#Writings)

[Link04]

Originally posted by Casey+Jun 15 2004, 01:25 AM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (Casey @ Jun 15 2004, 01:25 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'>
Originally posted by -PyRoMaNiaK@Jun 14 2004, 08:15 PM

Originally posted by -Link04@Jun 14 2004, 05:06 PM
<!--QuoteBegin--ella1432@Jun 14 2004, 03:52 PM
Firstly, something everyone should know- Logic+Religion do not go together.
Secondly, I believe in my own-ism, not anyone elses.
Are you kidding me? As I said earlier, read any of Saint Thomas Aquinas&#39;s works, he proves that religion is more logical than having no religion. I cannot possibly say it better then the man himself, so run a google search and enlighten yourself.

Edit: To Maelle: It&#39;s not even my personal belief that we developed from apes.

Edit: To Will: I&#39;m glad you posted that, Will, I feel the exact same way, but on the religious side.
it would be great if you could post something by that guy to "enlighten" us because i dont know what exactly you want us read. im sure as hell not going to read everything.
Maybe? (http://www.iep.utm.edu/a/aquinas.htm#Writings) [/b][/quote]
Yes ^_^

[TheVoodoo]

*too lazy to read past the first page*
Ill get it short and sweet. I choose to believe in God and Heaven and Hell. Because it gives me something to look forward to after this short life is up. I mean wouldnt you rather be in heaven then just sleeping forever?

[Danielle]

I don&#39;t get why whenever someone decides to start a healthy discussion about a topic that everyone has their own ideas about people don&#39;t respect other peoples opinions and people get annoyed and argue with eachother. They are all just theories- they can&#39;t be proved so they are really just opinions ,which means no-one is right or wrong&#33; :mellow:

[Maëlle]

Originally posted by bustedsuck88@Jun 17 2004, 02:17 PM
I don&#39;t get why whenever someone decides to start a healthy discussion about a topic that everyone has their own ideas about people don&#39;t respect other peoples opinions and people get annoyed and argue with eachother. They are all just theories- they can&#39;t be proved so they are really just opinions ,which means no-one is right or wrong&#33; :mellow:
We don&#39;t get annoyed, we just try to understand other people&#39; point of view.

[Jila]

Originally posted by bustedsuck88@Jun 17 2004, 11:17 AM
I don&#39;t get why whenever someone decides to start a healthy discussion about a topic that everyone has their own ideas about people don&#39;t respect other peoples opinions and people get annoyed and argue with eachother. They are all just theories- they can&#39;t be proved so they are really just opinions ,which means no-one is right or wrong&#33; :mellow:
well actually, they may be opinions but there obviously has to be a right or wrong :rolleyes:

[Ander]

See the movie &#39;Mission To Mars&#39;. The end of the movie will give you a completely different view on evolution.

[ass_kicker]

Originally posted by superxero88@Jun 18 2004, 02:13 AM
See the movie &#39;Mission To Mars&#39;. The end of the movie will give you a completely different view on evolution.
whats the movie&#39;s theory?

[TheVoodoo]

In that mars movie isnt the theory that we all came from a fish or something? When I saw it I thought it was stupid so resfresh my memory if I&#39;m wrong

[Link04]

Originally posted by bustedsuck88@Jun 17 2004, 06:17 PM
I don&#39;t get why whenever someone decides to start a healthy discussion about a topic that everyone has their own ideas about people don&#39;t respect other peoples opinions and people get annoyed and argue with eachother. They are all just theories- they can&#39;t be proved so they are really just opinions ,which means no-one is right or wrong&#33; :mellow:
It&#39;s called a debate. I still respect the other posters the same way I respected them before I posted in this topic, and I will respect them the same way after I post in this topic. As long as we&#39;re countering opinions and not attacking people personally, it&#39;s a nice, friendly debate :) So relax, no one&#39;s feelings are getting hurt here, post your opinion, and defend it. That&#39;s what I do ^_^

[Hybrid_Bunny]

Originally posted by ass_kicker+Jun 18 2004, 10:42 AM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (ass_kicker @ Jun 18 2004, 10:42 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> <!--QuoteBegin--superxero88@Jun 18 2004, 02:13 AM
See the movie &#39;Mission To Mars&#39;. The end of the movie will give you a completely different view on evolution.
whats the movie&#39;s theory? [/b][/quote]
It&#39;s been a long time since I saw it. I don&#39;t want to give spoilers but just highlight it here:

It was about how there was originally life on Mars and something caused them to abandon the planet (I forgot the reason). So they all left in their spaceships and one little spaceship went to Earth and began life there.

[ass_kicker]

Originally posted by Hybrid_Bunny+Jun 19 2004, 02:01 AM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (Hybrid_Bunny @ Jun 19 2004, 02:01 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'>
Originally posted by -ass_kicker@Jun 18 2004, 10:42 AM
<!--QuoteBegin--superxero88@Jun 18 2004, 02:13 AM
See the movie &#39;Mission To Mars&#39;. The end of the movie will give you a completely different view on evolution.
whats the movie&#39;s theory?
It&#39;s been a long time since I saw it. I don&#39;t want to give spoilers but just highlight it here:

It was about how there was originally life on Mars and something caused them to abandon the planet (I forgot the reason). So they all left in their spaceships and one little spaceship went to Earth and began life there. [/b][/quote]
sounds s*it to me. :mellow:

[Hybrid_Bunny]

Originally posted by ass_kicker+Jun 20 2004, 02:10 PM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (ass_kicker @ Jun 20 2004, 02:10 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'>
Originally posted by -Hybrid_Bunny@Jun 19 2004, 02:01 AM

Originally posted by -ass_kicker@Jun 18 2004, 10:42 AM
<!--QuoteBegin--superxero88@Jun 18 2004, 02:13 AM
See the movie &#39;Mission To Mars&#39;. The end of the movie will give you a completely different view on evolution.
whats the movie&#39;s theory?
It&#39;s been a long time since I saw it. I don&#39;t want to give spoilers but just highlight it here:

It was about how there was originally life on Mars and something caused them to abandon the planet (I forgot the reason). So they all left in their spaceships and one little spaceship went to Earth and began life there.
sounds s*it to me. :mellow: [/b][/quote]
Well, I didn&#39;t say I liked the movie. :lol: