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F-ck Casey
04-02-2004, 12:11 AM
The United States overnight vowed to stay the course in Iraq after four American contractors were killed in an ambush and their bodies dragged through the streets of Falluja in an incident reminiscent of the grisly fate of US soldiers attacked in Somalia in 1993.
The contractors, working for the US-led Coalition Provisional Authority that has run Iraq since last year's US-led invasion to oust Iraqi leader Saddam Hussein, were attacked by guerrillas on a main road in the town last night...
Television pictures showed one incinerated body being kicked and stamped on by a member of the jubilant crowd, while others dragged a blackened body down the road by its feet.
As one body lay burning on the ground, an Iraqi came and doused it with petrol, sending flames soaring. At least two bodies were tied to cars and pulled through the streets, witnesses said.
"This is the fate of all Americans who come to Falluja," said Mohammad Nafik, one of the crowd surrounding the bodies.
Some body parts were pulled off and left hanging from a telephone cable, while two incinerated bodies were later strung from a bridge and left dangling there.
A young boy beat one of the incinerated bodies after it was pulled down with his shoe as a crowd cheered.
"I am happy to see this. The Americans are occupying us so this is what will happen," said Mohammad, 12, looking on.
TeMpEsT
04-02-2004, 12:19 AM
A 12 year old said that...man...that's really, really horrid.
Leslie
04-02-2004, 02:21 AM
That is absolutely horrible.
Whimsicality
04-02-2004, 02:46 AM
What's the source, Casey?
Well I'm glad to see the Iraqis appreciate all that we've done for them. :rolleyes:
Ander
04-02-2004, 03:50 AM
Originally posted by Todd@Apr 1 2004, 08:48 PM
Well I'm glad to see the Iraqis appreciate all that we've done for them. :rolleyes:
And what was that again? :wth: All I remember is us blowing up a few buildings and taking their leader away.
...
Is it true that little terrorists-to-be get guns and scuds and sh*t when they turn 15?
TeMpEsT
04-02-2004, 03:54 AM
Originally posted by Todd@Apr 2 2004, 04:48 AM
Well I'm glad to see the Iraqis appreciate all that we've done for them. :rolleyes:
We've done something for them? Oh yes, we've bombed countless civilians, more casualties than the 9-11 attacks in those alone.
Oh, I agree with both of you completley. We did nothing for them. But all the supporters of war are saying crap about how we did so much for Iraq, blah blah blah and how the Iraqis are better off now. Of course it's all BS though ;)
TeMpEsT
04-02-2004, 04:21 AM
Originally posted by Todd@Apr 2 2004, 05:19 AM
Oh, I agree with both of you completley. We did nothing for them. But all the supporters of war are saying crap about how we did so much for Iraq, blah blah blah and how the Iraqis are better off now. Of course it's all BS though ;)
*hugs computer*
Here's my independent nation.
Shade
04-02-2004, 12:46 PM
Originally posted by Todd@Apr 2 2004, 05:19 AM
Oh, I agree with both of you completley. We did nothing for them. But all the supporters of war are saying crap about how we did so much for Iraq, blah blah blah and how the Iraqis are better off now. Of course it's all BS though ;)
Oh and here I was thinking that bombing helpless civilians was helping us against terrorism. Silly Iraqies, WMD's are for Americans. (not we've found any, and if you did have them we gave them to you in the first place).
Phantom Duck
04-02-2004, 01:10 PM
Eye for an eye.
Derek The Infamous
04-02-2004, 03:13 PM
Time to send in the troops! I don't give a sh*t if any of you disagree, its time to start shooting some of the armed anti-american people and start laying down the law over there. We're trying to be peaceful while we're getting our heads blown off, now it's time to cut the sh*t and start fighting back.
Originally posted by Derek the Demolitioner@Apr 2 2004, 10:13 AM
Time to send in the troops! I don't give a sh*t if any of you disagree, its time to start shooting some of the armed anti-american people and start laying down the law over there. We're trying to be peaceful while we're getting our heads blown off, now it's time to cut the sh*t and start fighting back.
How is boming them and killing them peaceful?
Shade
04-02-2004, 03:58 PM
Originally posted by Derek the Demolitioner@Apr 2 2004, 04:13 PM
Time to send in the troops! I don't give a sh*t if any of you disagree, its time to start shooting some of the armed anti-american people and start laying down the law over there. We're trying to be peaceful while we're getting our heads blown off, now it's time to cut the sh*t and start fighting back.
Oh...yeah I guess you're right. We should just start shooting everyone there. Oh hell why not nuke the entire country? After all, its completely the Iraqi's fault that their in the situation they're in. It has nothing to do with the outcome of WWI, WWII, and the fact that we just bombed the #### out of random civilians. Yeah, too bad they couldn't run their own country, after all it sure looks like the rest of the world did a great job running it for them.
I really can't imagine why they're pissed, maybe it has something to do with the 10,000 Iraqi civilian casualties inflicted by our presidents jihad for oil. Don't worry though, just say God Bless America ten more times and all is forgiven, after all, religion has always been an excuse for the worst tragedy's in history, why should that change now?
Derek The Infamous
04-02-2004, 04:31 PM
Originally posted by Todd+Apr 2 2004, 11:22 AM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (Todd @ Apr 2 2004, 11:22 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> <!--QuoteBegin--Derek the Demolitioner@Apr 2 2004, 10:13 AM
Time to send in the troops! I don't give a sh*t if any of you disagree, its time to start shooting some of the armed anti-american people and start laying down the law over there. We're trying to be peaceful while we're getting our heads blown off, now it's time to cut the sh*t and start fighting back.
How is boming them and killing them peaceful? [/b][/quote]
Okay so its not alright to kill the iraqi terrorists yet it's alright to stand around like a bunch of jackasses and allow ourselves to lose more American soldiers everday? Right.
Get off your friggin peace trees people. Our soldiers are f*cking dying and we're doing nothing about it, we're just reporting it and not fighting back. Think about how crazy you're sounding, you're making it seem like its alright for them to be killed. Stop being a modern day hippie and look at the facts, we helped that country by removing Saddam Hussein.
And don't even give me that bullsh*t about oil again, I'm getting so sick of hearing about that when there has been so much proof its not the main cause for the war that it makes me sick.
Oh and since the Bush bashers are flying in here again, what do you say about half a million jobs being gained this year alone? Oh yeah and incase you forgot we recentely gained 308,000 jobs in a single month. That's the biggest raise in 4 years, aka since Bush came into office. So yeah, one of Cash And Kerry's many arguements against Bush now lacks fruitition.
But I'm going to get out of here because this is a really sore topic with me and I'm not about to lose my cool over it.
ass_kicker
04-02-2004, 05:13 PM
i hate the fact that a little kid said that hes glad. :mellow: its just scary and sick at the same time.
Shade
04-02-2004, 05:32 PM
Originally posted by Derek the Demolitioner+Apr 2 2004, 05:31 PM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (Derek the Demolitioner @ Apr 2 2004, 05:31 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'>
Originally posted by -Todd@Apr 2 2004, 11:22 AM
<!--QuoteBegin--Derek the Demolitioner@Apr 2 2004, 10:13 AM
Time to send in the troops! I don't give a sh*t if any of you disagree, its time to start shooting some of the armed anti-american people and start laying down the law over there. We're trying to be peaceful while we're getting our heads blown off, now it's time to cut the sh*t and start fighting back.
How is boming them and killing them peaceful?
Okay so its not alright to kill the iraqi terrorists yet it's alright to stand around like a bunch of jackasses and allow ourselves to lose more American soldiers everday? Right.
Get off your friggin peace trees people. Our soldiers are f*cking dying and we're doing nothing about it, we're just reporting it and not fighting back. Think about how crazy you're sounding, you're making it seem like its alright for them to be killed. Stop being a modern day hippie and look at the facts, we helped that country by removing Saddam Hussein.
And don't even give me that bullsh*t about oil again, I'm getting so sick of hearing about that when there has been so much proof its not the main cause for the war that it makes me sick.
Oh and since the Bush bashers are flying in here again, what do you say about half a million jobs being gained this year alone? Oh yeah and incase you forgot we recentely gained 308,000 jobs in a single month. That's the biggest raise in 4 years, aka since Bush came into office. So yeah, one of Cash And Kerry's many arguements against Bush now lacks fruitition.
But I'm going to get out of here because this is a really sore topic with me and I'm not about to lose my cool over it. [/b][/quote]
Sorry Derrek but as an Admin it is your responsibility to keep your cool above all others, its not my place to remind you of this but its the truth. You can't blame your personal emotions on others.
Also, there has been plenty of proof to support the fact that the war was caused by oil, so no its not complete bull ####.
So far your post has only served as a means to piss people off by insulting those who disagree with you, way to go. Let me reiterate and solidify my statements, as I for one won't get into a pissing contest with you.
While it can be said that we're making it sound ok that our soldiers are being killed, we've never said that at all. We're the ones who said we didn't want this war in the first place remember! The republicans and bush supporters are just as guilty as the terrorists for the deaths of our soldiers in my mind, so don't go blaming it on us "Bush bashers". It doesn't even make sense.
As for what I say about the 500,000 jobs created:
-2,000,000 + 500,000 = -1,500,000 jobs
I'm not saying its not an improvement, but saying that Bush is doing great things for the economy because he created 300k jobs when we still have the highest unemployment rate in recent history and a 7 trillion dollor national debt is like saying that the war in Iraq is all peachy cause we removed Saddam Hussein, while 10,000+ civilians have paid their lives for it.
I never said I had a solution for the war, I don't see one. Most democrats never wanted this war in the first place so its up to our 'furrless' leader (god help us) get us out of it (though he won't, it will be up to the next president). What I CAN say is that killing more innocent people is NOT the solution. Its all fine and dandy that we got rid of Saddam, no one disagrees with that, the simple fact is there is little hope that the US will be able to establish a government there that will last more than a week without another ruthless dictator taking over who may be even worse than Saddam. I'm getting the impression that you don't know how the Middle East was formed, these people have had a ####-hole of a life compared to most other countries and going in and killing them is only going to give them more reasons to become terrorists and kill people.
Point blank: I am looking at the facts. Here I'll even lay them out:
Pros
-Got rid of Saddam
Cons
-10,000+ civilian casualites
-US soldiers dying
-Lost most of our allies, and pretty much the world's respect
-Economy in the #### hole (though improving now)
-Increased terrorism as of late.
-and the list goes on...
It doesn't add up. This war cannot be seen in a positive light, no matter how much you want it to be. Killing more people won't solve anything, it will just cause more problems.
Derek The Infamous
04-02-2004, 06:21 PM
Alright, so you tell me to "keep my cool because I'm an administrator" then you make several antagonizing or otherwise smartass statements to agitate me if I wasn't already that way in the first place? Way to go junior, I'll give you the golden star of acheivement for your efforts.
For all the "proof" that is passed around that the war was supposedly caused by oil, there is just as much proof around to consider that the oil concept is a complete and utter farce. It's just a big game of conservatists and liberals throwing their opinions back and forth in what can only be described as a virtual tug of war thats been going on for long before Bush came into office. Face it, everytime the United States has gone to war or decided to make some sort of controversial descision, there has always been some boy crying wolf in the corner, stating that we're money hungry or that we're a blood hungry country that likes to go to war. It's a crying shame.
While your points are valid about how as Todd correctly stated it, "Bombing for peace is like f*cking for virginity", can you really call the people who are continuing to attack our american forces and who are more recentely, burning the bodies of our people and dragging them through the streets, truly "innocent"? If you ask me those people are more of a terrorist then the Americans could have ever proven to be to the Iraqi people. We were fighting for the peace of the Iraqi citizens and the removal of their oppressing dictator. The TRUE terrorists over there (not us) however, are killing Americans because of years of bullsh*t that has been fed to them that the Americans cannot be trusted and are only there to make their lives worse when in reality it's the other way around.
Also, the topic of the civilian casualties has come up a lot in debates over the "War On Terror" but in case you've forgotton, civilians have been killed in almost every war that has happened on the face of the earth, its why war is never thought of as a positive thing and why many people (even me) want the terrorism and everything to be taken care of as quickly and humanly possible. Plus I can assure you, that while 10,000+ is a lot, it's nowhere near being the worst amount of civilians killed in a war that America has been involved in.
I guarantee you that if anything, our enemies have tortured and killed more civilians on purpose then we could ever pray not to do by accident. It's not as if we ran into Iraq and said "THERE'S A CIVILIAN!! PUMP HER FULL OF LEAD.", all the deaths as with any war, were mistakes, and people make mistakes and shouldn't be considered less of a person for doing so. Just like America shouldn't be considered less of a country because of the high civilian death rate. It's not like they were using them for target practice (no heartlessness intended).
Of course the country and the world is in a sh*thole right now, but if 9/11 had never happened I guarantee you Bush would have never attempted war with anyone or put the country in a large deficit. Don't blame our shitty situation solely on Bush. Remember, when 9/11 happened it hurt a lot more then just our economy.
If you don't want the soldiers dying, get them the hell out of Iraq! If the Iraqis are hostile even after you removed their leader, of course they have the right to be. President Bush has authorized the slaying of over ten thousand civilians. Many of these enraged people were probably friends or family or co-workers with these victims. The army has killed over three times as many people who died on 9/11 alone in the last year in Iraq. What they did to the American's was absolutely despicable, and I completely disagree with parading charred bodies down the streets, but I feel the Americans and company have no right to be there anymore. They've gotten rid of Saddam, so just hand them back their country and let them do whatever they want with it. If they go back to their old ways, then it's their fault for not standing up for what they want. Americans in Iraq are now dying because they're helping a hostile and ungrateful (not much to be grateful other than Saddam's removal) country.
Derek The Infamous
04-02-2004, 06:38 PM
Originally posted by Mark@Apr 2 2004, 02:37 PM
If you don't want the soldiers dying, get them the hell out of Iraq! If the Iraqis are hostile even after you removed their leader, of course they have the right to be. President Bush has authorized the slaying of over ten thousand civilians. Many of these innocent people were probably friends or family or co-workers with these victims. The army has killed over three times as many people who died on 9/11 in Iraq alone in the last year. What they did to the American's was absolutely despicable, and I completely disagree with parading charred bodies down the streets, but I feel the Americans and company have no right to be there anymore. They've gotten rid of Saddam, so just hold them back their country and let them do whatever they want with it. If they go back to their old ways, then it's their fault for not standing up for what they want. Americans in Iraq are now dying because they're helping a hostile and ungrateful (not much to be grateful other than Saddam's removal) country.
That's what I was going to say before Shade influenced me to go on a different path.
If they aren't going to fight back, then they need to get the hell out of Iraq as quickly as possible.
Leslie
04-02-2004, 07:21 PM
Originally posted by Mark@Apr 2 2004, 12:37 PM
They've gotten rid of Saddam, so just hand them back their country and let them do whatever they want with it. If they go back to their old ways, then it's their fault for not standing up for what they want. Americans in Iraq are now dying because they're helping a hostile and ungrateful (not much to be grateful other than Saddam's removal) country.
Well stated! I agree with you. I think that with all of the crap that is going on in Iraq now, we should just back out. Yes, it's great that we got Saddam, but let's just face it, with all of the opposition that Americans are facing, the troops are going to have a hard time finding anything or anyone (i.e. Osama) else without the death of more troops.
Derek The Infamous
04-02-2004, 07:34 PM
Just so everyone knows, I'm not pro-war either. I'm for the troops and the rebuiliding of Iraq, that's what I've always supported, and its even why I agreed with some of the bombings because they were to remove a threat (aka Saddam Hussein). However, I do not support our troops standing around and being killed while our country does nothing to get them out of there. That my friends, is wrong.
Glenn
04-02-2004, 11:40 PM
Well said.
This is a war on terror right? Yes. The terrorists are in Iraq and places like that, so that is why we're in there. But if we aren't doing anything on this war, then we need to get the hell out of there. If we're just attacking Iraq, then that is stupid cause we're suppose to be fighting against terrorism. This is one of the hardest kinds of war because you can't negotiate with any official country leaders, these bastards are hiding. If we are doing this to prevent another attack on our country, then we should get out, cause this is a big attack on American's troops in Iraq anyway.
I don't know about the oil issue, and honestly I don't give a sh*t. If we are in there for oil, then that is just...no. If we aren't then f*ck all those politicians spreading those rumors.
I don't believe that we should just nuke parts of Iraq. That is incredibly stupid. I am so f*ckin sick of people say (in a stupid voice) "we should just destroy the whole country." Let's find our terrorists and if we can't then let's go. If we can, then find them and kill those f*ckin as*holes!
I don't really want to lean in one strong direction cause political rumors and facts are mixing to create stupid opinions (I'm a hypocrite), but if Iraq is just killing our soldiers, then we should get out, unless we have a strongly set reason to still be there in these horribly conditions our soldiers face.
Link04
04-02-2004, 11:42 PM
Well if we don't do something about terrorism it won't be just be our troops that are dying...listen, it's the ARMY. That's what they signed up for, there were no hidden tricks that told them there was no danger or chance of getting killed.
Shade
04-05-2004, 12:43 AM
OK, i'm a reasonable person, i can see that some of what I said could easily piss someone off, so I can understand your reaction to it Derek, but my statement still stands, also you yourself are not guiltless of throwing antagonizing remarks around, take a good look in the mirror yourself if you don't see this. I'd even say some parts of your posts are flaming that if someone else had posted might be cause for a warning.
I completely agree that there is just as much "proof" on either side of the oil statement, its just who you choose to believe, I find that there is much more proof supporting the oil/war connection, and it makes much more sense to me when looking at the whole picture. You don't see that, ok, no problem, but to call the claim bullshit is pompous and serves only to piss people like me off. In my mind, its nieve to believe that oil has nothing to do with the war when Ricard Cheney owns one of the largest oil corporations and Iraq is one of the few countries witholding oil. In short, I don't take kindly to my views being called bullshit.
"The TRUE terrorists over there (not us) however, are killing Americans because of years of bullsh*t that has been fed to them that the Americans cannot be trusted and are only there to make their lives worse when in reality it's the other way around."
Why would Iraqis believe any differently after seeing them bomb their houses, and families, intentionally or not? Wars create enemies, not friends, which is why invading a country and killing people to stop terrorism doens't make any sense. Also, the way America has treated the Middle East in the past speaks for itself, no ones done anything to help them, they have no reason to suspect that's the case now.
"civilians have been killed in almost every war that has happened on the face of the earth"
Undoubtedly and undisputably. The difference here is in the past, with the possible exception of Vietnam, the wars America has fought in were based on necessity. Launching a preemptive strike against a third world nation with no real evidence for cause newer than a decade old breaks the mold. Since when is it ok to bomb countries because we're afraid of them? That's cowardice, not patriotism. The deaths of the civilians are that much more disgusting because of the needlessness of the war.
"It's not as if we ran into Iraq and said "THERE'S A CIVILIAN!! PUMP HER FULL OF LEAD.""
No, but we might as well have. By launching this war, we put our need to "calm our fears" above the value of the lives of innocent families. We decided that the deaths of Iraqi men, women, and children, were acceptable because we were afraid. THAT, my friends, is BULLSHIT.
" but if 9/11 had never happened I guarantee you Bush would have never attempted war with anyone or put the country in a large deficit"
1) There is ample proof from eye witness acounts inside the whitehouse that Bush was looking for reasons, and planning, to attack Iraq prior to the 9/11 attacks. =
2) After 9/11, Rummesfield told Bush that since there were no great targets in Afghanistan (the source of the attacks, no link whatsoever to Iraq proved then or now) instead said that we should attack Iraq.
3) The war is not the sole cause for the deficit, Bush's tax cut plan is equally blameable. Had the tax cuts waited until our country brought in more of a surpluss, things could ahve been different. The fact that Bush had no idea what he was doing with the economy was clear when both Democrats and Republicans asked for a breakdown of his taxcut plan to see where the money was coming from and he refused.
"when 9/11 happened it hurt a lot more then just our economy"
no doubt, it gave our furrless leader cause to attack random targets, destroy foreign relations, and make a joke of the lives lost on a tragedy.
" That's what I was going to say before Shade influenced me to go on a different path.
If they aren't going to fight back, then they need to get the hell out of Iraq as quickly as possible."
I don't influence you, you make your own decisions.
I'm inclined to agree that the troops should be pulled, but even then I don't see that as a solution. What happens then is another ruthless dictator takes over because we didn't finish our job restoring the country, and then it gives the Iraqi's more cause to hate us -- we didn't fulfill our promises once again. I've said time and again I don't have the answers. I don't believe there is one, I guess that's the definition of a tragedy.
Radical Dreamer
04-05-2004, 01:00 AM
Originally posted by Derek+Apr 2 2004, 05:31 PM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (Derek @ Apr 2 2004, 05:31 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'>
Originally posted by -Todd@Apr 2 2004, 11:22 AM
<!--QuoteBegin--Derek the Demolitioner@Apr 2 2004, 10:13 AM
Time to send in the troops! I don't give a sh*t if any of you disagree, its time to start shooting some of the armed anti-american people and start laying down the law over there. We're trying to be peaceful while we're getting our heads blown off, now it's time to cut the sh*t and start fighting back.
How is boming them and killing them peaceful?
Okay so its not alright to kill the iraqi terrorists yet it's alright to stand around like a bunch of jackasses and allow ourselves to lose more American soldiers everday? Right.
Get off your friggin peace trees people. Our soldiers are f*cking dying and we're doing nothing about it, we're just reporting it and not fighting back. Think about how crazy you're sounding, you're making it seem like its alright for them to be killed. Stop being a modern day hippie and look at the facts, we helped that country by removing Saddam Hussein.
And don't even give me that bullsh*t about oil again, I'm getting so sick of hearing about that when there has been so much proof its not the main cause for the war that it makes me sick.
Oh and since the Bush bashers are flying in here again, what do you say about half a million jobs being gained this year alone? Oh yeah and incase you forgot we recentely gained 308,000 jobs in a single month. That's the biggest raise in 4 years, aka since Bush came into office. So yeah, one of Cash And Kerry's many arguements against Bush now lacks fruitition.
But I'm going to get out of here because this is a really sore topic with me and I'm not about to lose my cool over it. [/b][/quote]
However, I do not support our troops standing around and being killed while our country does nothing to get them out of there. That my friends, is wrong.
I agree there. They should do what Spain did to their troops in Iraq, which is GET THE F*CK OUT OF THERE. :)
In my mind, its nieve to believe that oil has nothing to do with the war when Ricard Cheney owns one of the largest oil corporations and Iraq is one of the few countries witholding oil. In short, I don't take kindly to my views being called bullshit.
Ditto.
Short analysis:
- Dīck Cheney subsidized by Halliburton...
- ...Halliburton being one of the five companies given a reconstruction contract by the Bush admin.
- Halliburton makes PROFIT.
- Cheney gets LOADED.
If it's not about the oil, I don't what is. Of course, that's not the SOLE reason but it's what partly motivates them to go to war.
Phantom Duck
04-06-2004, 01:45 PM
Where partly=99%.
Radical Dreamer
04-06-2004, 11:00 PM
Originally posted by Link04@Apr 3 2004, 12:42 AM
Well if we don't do something about terrorism it won't be just be our troops that are dying...
To win the war on terror, America needs to win hearts and minds. Bombing Iraq non-stop and maiming their civilians won't help them to achieve that. :rolleyes:
Phantom Duck
04-07-2004, 12:40 PM
Originally posted by Radical Dreamer+Apr 6 2004, 11:00 PM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (Radical Dreamer @ Apr 6 2004, 11:00 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> <!--QuoteBegin--Link04@Apr 3 2004, 12:42 AM
Well if we don't do something about terrorism it won't be just be our troops that are dying...
To win the war on terror, America needs to win hearts and minds. Bombing Iraq non-stop and maiming their civilians won't help them to achieve that. :rolleyes: [/b][/quote]
America can do nothing about the terror, because they're the terror themselves.
I just found a way for the Americans to prove that Saddam has WOMD, though: they can show the receipts from when they sold them to him :P
Radical Dreamer
04-07-2004, 08:04 PM
Originally posted by Phantom The Duck VII@Apr 7 2004, 12:40 PM
I just found a way for the Americans to prove that Saddam has WOMD, though: they can show the receipts from when they sold them to him :P
:lol:
Odaton
04-08-2004, 08:59 PM
LOL Phantom Duck, its so ironic....Saddam is made dictator BY the Americans, gives him funding....he does all this bad sh*t and starts to cut off their oil (=money)....
Americans then fight a war to neutralize him, then they cut off Iraq from all their trade partners and basically starved them, killing millions of innocents and children....
Then they go and try to take over Iraq. They say its in the name of 'democracy' and 'freedom'. They DON'T WANT democracy over there. They have their own way of living and I don't think Americans should be telling them how to govern their country. And WHAT IS freedom? Well, their sort of freedom isn't democracy, they have a whole different perception over there and we shouldn't be saying 'you are wrong to live this way'.
Americans did that to Native Americans and their 'savage' ways. They slaughtered and assimilated them all. Well, it turned out that they had a better way of living than the Europeans/Americans did. They were able to live off the land, without hurting the environment...look whats happening to our world now :wth:
Omar A
04-08-2004, 10:24 PM
LOL Phantom Duck, its so ironic....Saddam is made dictator BY the Americans, gives him funding....he does all this bad sh*t and starts to cut off their oil (=money)....
Americans then fight a war to neutralize him, then they cut off Iraq from all their trade partners and basically starved them, killing millions of innocents and children....
Then they go and try to take over Iraq. They say its in the name of 'democracy' and 'freedom'. They DON'T WANT democracy over there. They have their own way of living and I don't think Americans should be telling them how to govern their country. And WHAT IS freedom? Well, their sort of freedom isn't democracy, they have a whole different perception over there and we shouldn't be saying 'you are wrong to live this way'.
Americans did that to Native Americans and their 'savage' ways. They slaughtered and assimilated them all. Well, it turned out that they had a better way of living than the Europeans/Americans did. They were able to live off the land, without hurting the environment...look whats happening to our world now
You're a genius :)
Glenn
04-09-2004, 01:38 AM
My history teacher said today: "A bad government is better than no government. Saddam Hussein did many horrible horrible horrible things and I hope he burns in hell but at least he kept the country in order. Chaotic order, but at least it was order! Back on topic..."
She thinks that Iraq will be in horrible shape if our soldiers leave. Do you agree? Do you care?
ass_kicker
04-09-2004, 10:21 AM
Originally posted by DuffsterLP@Apr 9 2004, 01:38 AM
My history teacher said today: "A bad government is better than no government. Saddam Hussein did many horrible horrible horrible things and I hope he burns in hell but at least he kept the country in order. Chaotic order, but at least it was order! Back on topic..."
She thinks that Iraq will be in horrible shape if our soldiers leave. Do you agree? Do you care?
i think that once our countries decided to 'take care' of iraq, they should definately finish their job. its their responsibility now.
but i also think that iraq should get its own government as soon as possible, so it has something similar to democracy.
Odaton
04-09-2004, 09:24 PM
Originally posted by Omar A@Apr 8 2004, 10:24 PM
LOL Phantom Duck, its so ironic....Saddam is made dictator BY the Americans, gives him funding....he does all this bad sh*t and starts to cut off their oil (=money)....
Americans then fight a war to neutralize him, then they cut off Iraq from all their trade partners and basically starved them, killing millions of innocents and children....
Then they go and try to take over Iraq. They say its in the name of 'democracy' and 'freedom'. They DON'T WANT democracy over there. They have their own way of living and I don't think Americans should be telling them how to govern their country. And WHAT IS freedom? Well, their sort of freedom isn't democracy, they have a whole different perception over there and we shouldn't be saying 'you are wrong to live this way'.
Americans did that to Native Americans and their 'savage' ways. They slaughtered and assimilated them all. Well, it turned out that they had a better way of living than the Europeans/Americans did. They were able to live off the land, without hurting the environment...look whats happening to our world now
You're a genius :)
:blush: Wow what a compliment, Thanks!
Edit: Ass kicker, read my post...bringing democracy to the middle east isn't necessary.
Originally posted by Glenn@Apr 8 2004, 08:38 PM
She thinks that Iraq will be in horrible shape if our soldiers leave. Do you agree? Do you care?
I agree, but I don't care. We shouldn't be babysitting the Iraqi's or be holding their hands every step of the way. The Iraqi's need to get control some point, it might as well be ASAP so no more of our soldiers get killed.
Anthony.
04-11-2004, 01:21 AM
The GSG-9 is in Iraq. Watch out to those who took hostages :lol: .
Actually, sadly, I think they're only there for the german hostages, but they're one of the best anti-terrorism squads in the world.
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