Straight Edge

[Nowhere Kid]

Okay, first of all, for those who don't know that the term 'Straight Edge' is all about, I will explain. When someone is Straight Edge [AKA sXe] you do not smoke, do not drink, and do not have sex unless you are in a commited relationship such as marriage. It's basically keeping your body free of all poisons. A way to tell if someone is sXe is if they have Xs drawn on their hands usually with a black marker. There is a history behind that that goes back to the 70s and I won't bore you to explain that.

Secondly, I am sXe. I made this decision last year when people around me and my friends started getting heavy into drugs and I saw how badly they were screwing their lives and relationships up and I didn't want to be like them. The idea of surviving to see my adult years was appealing. I used to drink years before, but I stopped and realized what it was doing to me and that it was in fact not making me 'cool' or whatever people see it to be. So a year later I drew the black Xs on my hands and swore not to break edge.

Anyone else sXe?

[Will]

I'm straight edge and I love the fact that I can piss people off by saying that I'm straight edge. People at my school always make fun of me for it by saying that I'm too scared to drink or smoke or have sex when that's hardly true. I could ruin my body by smoking or drinking, but I choose not to. I also don't plan on having sex until I'm with the girl I plan on spending the rest of my life with.

[Andrea]

You know what's weird? My friend Jay has straight edge patches all over his clothes and bookbag, and yet he brags to me and his other friends about how he has sex with his girlfriend, smokes pot and drinks alcohol a lot. :rolleyes: Unless he is lying or something. What a hypocrite.

Anyway, I'm not straight edge. I occasionally drink and have sex. People think that makes me a bad person but I'm not. It's my choice and that's how I want to be.

I highly respect people who are straight edge, like Will.

[F-ck Casey]

I'm not straight edge. i don't have a problem with those that are, except for the ones that say "straight edge means i'm better than you".

good for them if they don't want to smoke pot. they're better off. I wish I could be like that, but i've been doing it for so long now that i can't.

[Nowhere Kid]

Originally posted by Casey@Mar 27 2004, 11:44 PM
I'm not straight edge. i don't have a problem with those that are, except for the ones that say "straight edge means i'm better than you".

good for them if they don't want to smoke pot. they're better off. I wish I could be like that, but i've been doing it for so long now that i can't.
I know the type. People who think they or whoever are better than everyone else just because they are Straight Edge is wrong because they're not. We're all the same. Decisions we make may be better than other peoples', but it doesn't mean we're any better than anyone else. Just better off. ;)

[TeMpEsT]

Originally posted by Will@Mar 27 2004, 10:36 PM
I also don't plan on having sex until I'm with the girl I plan on spending the rest of my life with.
I was that way, then the girl cheats on you afterwards. :whistle:

I guess I could be sXe, except that I wouldn't mind to have sex. Still a virgin, but I'm still kind of staying away from girls for the time being. Been hurt too much.

[May]

I'm not straight edge. Not going to get into but I don't do drugs. I've been offered but I always turn it down. For those who are straight edge I have a lot of respect for since it's really hard to be straight edge. So for those who are way to go! :)

[Whimsicality]

We had a thread about this a few months ago, but it got closed because people started fighting over weather or not drug use was okay.

I follow all the "straight-edge guidelines" but I don't X up because I'm a law-abiding 14 year old who has no idea what her position on drinking will be when she's 21, and sXe is supposed to be for life.

I have tons of respect for anyone who has decided to follow the sXe lifestyle (my best friend is straight-edge) because it can't be easy to say no to so many things that are the "norm," especially in the punk & hardcore scene.

[Dan]

I guess i could say im straight edged meaning that i will never never do drugs or drink but i have no problem with having sex but as long as its a girl that im gonna stay togther with for the rest of my life.

[Magick]

I am. I've always been clean, but I claimed edge in my freshman year of high school. I only have two other friends who claim to be sXe, and the rest drink & smoke basically every day.

Just some notes on some replies in the thread:
- Have sex, but just don't go whoring yourself around each night; no promiscuous sex.
- Straight edge is associated with hardcore, but of course, not all kids into hardcore are sXe, and vise-versa
- You can't just "guess" you're sXe. It's a life commitment. Do not claim if you don't think you can stay true.

[Hybrid Theory]

Originally posted by Magick@Mar 28 2004, 03:47 AM
I am. I've always been clean, but I claimed edge in my freshman year of high school. I only have two other friends who claim to be sXe, and the rest drink & smoke basically every day.

Just some notes on some replies in the thread:
- Have sex, but just don't go whoring yourself around each night; no promiscuous sex.
- Straight edge is associated with hardcore, but of course, not all kids into hardcore are sXe, and vise-versa
- You can't just "guess" you're sXe. It's a life commitment. Do not claim if you don't think you can stay true.
Then I'm not straight edge. I know I'll have sex before marriage. I will never smoke and I might/might not drink.

[Glenn]

Ok. I guess I'm not straight age then. I don't drink, smoke, and have sex (I'm 14) but I plan to drink and have sex in my later life.

[coley8605]

What people don't understand is that the idea of straight edge is against promiscuous sex, meaning you can have sex, but shouldn't go around doing it with the first person that walks by... It should mean something.

And it really pisses me off when people claim be edge and then they continue to do drugs, drink, whore around, etc.

It doesn't matter if you've done all of that in the past. Anyone can become straight edge once they give up the 'poison' and start living a healthier life syle.

[K.Porter]

Calling those things 'poisons' kind of makes it seem as though they are very bad meaning people who do them are also very bad. I don't drink nor do I do drugs so don't think i'm just defending myself. It just seems wrong to call them poisons. :wth:

[coley8605]

... That's why I put it with the quotes around it... Either way, we all have obviously been told they're not good for the body, so it makes sense anyway.

[Amy]

I'm not straight edge. I've got nothing against those who are though.

[Debus]

I'm not straight edge atal. I don't smoke or do drugs or anything but i do drink quite alot.

[Nikki]

I don't see the point of drawing big crosses on your hands. It reminds me of the tape Nelly has on his cheek: Bleeding pointless.

The Straight-edge idea is great, though if I'm honest I don't think I'd fit into it - but drawing crosses all over you is just bizarre in my opinion.

Nothing against those that are - in fact I'd give props to them if I could be arsed.

[Whimsicality]

http://www.lpassociation.com/forums/index....2&t=6302&hl=sxe (http://www.lpassociation.com/forums/index.php?act=ST&f=12&t=6302&hl=sxe)

That's the last sXe thread, if anyone wants to read it. The last couple pages are just drug argument, but there's some good stuff towards the beginning.

[Kate]

I'm not straight edge, even though I don't drink or do drugs and I'm still a virgin. I'm just "kind of a prude", to quote an acquaintance of mine.

[PaPeR_CuT]

I used to be straight edge untill I turned 14. I dont smoke and keep the drinking to a minimum pot on the other hand...

[Will]

Originally posted by Kat@Mar 28 2004, 07:43 AM
I don't see the point of drawing big crosses on your hands. It reminds me of the tape Nelly has on his cheek: Bleeding pointless.

The Straight-edge idea is great, though if I'm honest I don't think I'd fit into it - but drawing crosses all over you is just bizarre in my opinion.

Nothing against those that are - in fact I'd give props to them if I could be arsed.
For one thing, the only places you draw "crosses" -- and they aren't even crosses, they're Xs -- is on the back of your hand.

At punk shows years ago, they used to sell alchoholic beverages, and they wouldn't sell the drinks to minors, obviously. So to tell minors apart from adults, they drew Xs on the backs of the hands of minors so that they knew not to sell them the alchohol.

They adapted the Xs on the hands to straight-edge, and that's where you get the X in the middle of sXe.

Edit: If I have the whole X story wrong, someone correct it for me.

[Cassie]

Originally posted by Will@Mar 28 2004, 02:42 PM
At punk shows years ago, they used to sell alchoholic beverages, and they wouldn't sell the drinks to minors, obviously. So to tell minors apart from adults, they drew Xs on the backs of the hands of minors so that they knew not to sell them the alchohol.

I've heard that story too, sounds right to me. :)

[Nikki]

X&#39;s/Crosses. All the same thing to me <_>&#39;. Interesting back-story as well.

[Will]

Originally posted by Kat@Mar 28 2004, 03:15 PM
X&#39;s/Crosses. All the same thing to me <_>&#39;. Interesting back-story as well.
X = X

† = cross

...:lol:

[Nikki]

Quiet, boy&#33; Just push the cross over and then it&#39;s an X >_>&#39;

[coley8605]

Originally posted by Will+Mar 28 2004, 01:42 PM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (Will @ Mar 28 2004, 01:42 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> <!--QuoteBegin--Kat@Mar 28 2004, 07:43 AM
I don&#39;t see the point of drawing big crosses on your hands. It reminds me of the tape Nelly has on his cheek: Bleeding pointless.

The Straight-edge idea is great, though if I&#39;m honest I don&#39;t think I&#39;d fit into it - but drawing crosses all over you is just bizarre in my opinion.

Nothing against those that are - in fact I&#39;d give props to them if I could be arsed.
For one thing, the only places you draw "crosses" -- and they aren&#39;t even crosses, they&#39;re Xs -- is on the back of your hand.

At punk shows years ago, they used to sell alchoholic beverages, and they wouldn&#39;t sell the drinks to minors, obviously. So to tell minors apart from adults, they drew Xs on the backs of the hands of minors so that they knew not to sell them the alchohol.

They adapted the Xs on the hands to straight-edge, and that&#39;s where you get the X in the middle of sXe.

Edit: If I have the whole X story wrong, someone correct it for me. [/b][/quote]
I had to do a big research paper on it, and yeah, that&#39;s where the x&#39;s came from.

The whole idea of straight edge began around 1981 when the punk band Minor Threat created a song called what other than “Straight Edge”. And yeah, it basically referred to how much better a person could be without drugs in their life.

And the name straight edge came from one night when the band was drawing a poster for one of their shows - using a wooden ruler - and the drummer realized that the ruler’s straight edge was a metaphor for the straight edge lifestle.

[Radical Dreamer]

Originally posted by coley8605@Mar 28 2004, 09:27 PM
The whole idea of straight edge began around 1981 when the punk band Minor Threat created a song called what other than “Straight Edge”. And yeah, it basically referred to how much better a person could be without drugs in their life.

And the name straight edge came from one night when the band was drawing a poster for one of their shows - using a wooden ruler - and the drummer realized that the ruler’s straight edge was a metaphor for the straight edge lifestle.
&#39;Straight Edge&#39; is such an awesome song. ...:mellow:

[User Name]

I don&#39;t proclaim straight edge, but I do hold the morals that carried along with it.

[Ander]

I have friends that smoke pot, and they end up becoming super f*cked up. I&#39;m like that normally (sleepy, groggy, and I dont feel truly awake until like 4:00PM), so if I smoked I probably fall into a coma.

[Will]

Originally posted by superxero88@Mar 28 2004, 08:52 PM
I have friends that smoke pot, and they end up becoming super f*cked up. I&#39;m like that normally (sleepy, groggy, and I dont feel truly awake until like 4:00PM), so if I smoked I probably fall into a coma.
:lol: :lol:

[Glenn]

Originally posted by Cameron@Mar 28 2004, 09:38 PM
I don&#39;t proclaim straight edge, but I do hold the morals that carried along with it.
Good way of putting it. I&#39;m the same probably.

[Anthony.]

I think we all have to define our own guidlines. Someone who risks addiction/abuse should set himself stricter guidlines, such as the sXe ones. However, I consider myself as someone who knows the limit between fun and abuse, so I allow myself to drink limited doses of alcholic drinks from time to time. Drugs, as I know they are simply no good, are not part of what I allow myself to take. As for sex, when I&#39;ll have a girlfriend I&#39;ll think about it :mellow: .

[TeMpEsT]

I don&#39;t like to limit myself as a stereotype, so I try not to let someone "tell me" what I am.

[Shade]

I pretty much hold the values of sXe but I wouldn&#39;t proclaim myself as one. I believe that anything can be bad for you if too much is taken/used, even common things like say water. The key is to have nothing in excess, and just be balanced in my opinion. I don&#39;t do drugs, but don&#39;t have a problem with people that do, as long as they don&#39;t hurt anyone else in the process. Drinking, I&#39;ve done it, but never been drunk, I&#39;m able to control myself before I get to that point. Smoking, don&#39;t have a desire to do it. On the sex end, I agree with the values of sXe.

By the way didn&#39;t know what those &#39;x&#39;s on peoples hands meant until now :P Saw some people with them at a concert I just went to before reading this thread haha. Now I know. :D

[Will]

Originally posted by Shade@Mar 29 2004, 08:31 AM
By the way didn&#39;t know what those &#39;x&#39;s on peoples hands meant until now :P Saw some people with them at a concert I just went to before reading this thread haha. Now I know. :D
It’s kind of cool how little things like that turn into something used by people who follow a certain lifestyle, eh?

[Todd]

So do sXe people never drink, ever? Even when they&#39;re much older than 21?

[Will]

Originally posted by Todd@Mar 29 2004, 01:11 PM
So do sXe people never drink, ever? Even when they&#39;re much older than 21?
I’m actually not too sure about that, but I’m sure that they would have wine or something on New Years if they felt like it and things like that. That’s probably the only time I’ll ever drink. I can’t even stand the smell of alchohol.

[Chris(tmas)]

Im not sxe, but i never had sex, never smoked.. I only get tons of ashes in my longues because of parents :lol: And i only drink.. no, i dont :lol:

[Rachel]

I am sXe, and have been for a few months (almost a half of a year now). I had heard of it, but never knew totally about it until an article about it in Teen People. And that&#39;s also how I fell in love with AFI, one of my favorite bands.

My dad actually pressured me into drinking, but of course I turned it down. I accidently had weed, but that&#39;s because my pothead friend is in cooking class, made me some special brownies, and didn&#39;t tell me they were pot brownies until I was halfway done with it.

But I do not intentionally try to poison myself. That&#39;s what I love about sXe. It attempts to be different from the normal rock and roll scene.

And, I&#39;m not sure if it wsa already mentioned, but the X&#39;s were actually first used to show that they weren&#39;t allowed to drink (you know, like the big x&#39;s or the bracelets that the bouncers give underage kids when they go to clubs or concerts that have alcohol). That&#39;s why the X is in the sXe. The s and e for straight edge, and the X for the X&#39;s on the hand.

I shall stop boring you now. :lol:

[Nowhere Kid]

Originally posted by Todd@Mar 29 2004, 06:11 PM
So do sXe people never drink, ever? Even when they&#39;re much older than 21?
Actually, it depends. People who are sXe can drink, but in moderation. It&#39;s not consitering breaking edge unless you get drunk. Those who choose not to drink and are sXe will have no fear of breaking edge.

Okay, I&#39;m going to bore you all with my story about Straight Edgeism (that&#39;s not even a word, but...) About a year or 2 ago, I drank, a lot. One time me and my cousin both got drunk and fell down a flight of very painful stairs and well, that kind of woke me up. Then I found out about sXe and blah blah blah... I realized how people were ruining their lives with smoking and alcohol...but he&#39;s something weird about me.

There is no way I&#39;ll ever have sex. Now, before you say "Oh, you can say that now but when you get older you&#39;ll change your mind." but that&#39;s a doubt. The truth is, I&#39;m afraid of boys. As dumb as that sounds, it&#39;s true. If a guy gets too close to me or tries to touch me, I start flipping out and bitching at them or I&#39;ll run off. If a guy likes me, I&#39;ll be even more scared of him than I was before. I know I&#39;m weird. But that&#39;s just something automatic that happens. Another reason, the first boyfriend I ever had, kind of put my view of all guys in a different prospective. I was scared to death of him. He would talk to me in this way that made me feel insecure about everything, he would tell me to touch him in places that was wrong. Once I got him out of my life, I cleared stuff up a bit, but now I&#39;m still terrified of boys.

Call me odd, but I can&#39;t help what I feel. *shrugs* Sorry for boring you.

[Whimsicality]

Originally posted by Nowhere Kid+Mar 29 2004, 10:33 PM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (Nowhere Kid @ Mar 29 2004, 10:33 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteBegin--Todd@Mar 29 2004, 06:11 PM
So do sXe people never drink, ever? Even when they&#39;re much older than 21?
Actually, it depends. People who are sXe can drink, but in moderation. It&#39;s not consitering breaking edge unless you get drunk. Those who choose not to drink and are sXe will have no fear of breaking edge.[/b][/quote]
I pretty sure it&#39;s no drinking, ever.

This is from alt.punk.straight-egde FAQ
(http://www.faqs.org/faqs/cultures/straight-edge-faq)


Subject: 1. About straight-edge
Straight Edge is a more philosophical offshoot of the punk movement, a
reaction to the hedonism and self-destruction that characterised punk.
The basic tenet of the philosophy centres around the issue of
self-control. The goal is to regain as much personal control over your
own life as possible. sXe is the only youth counter-culture to actively
discourage drug use, alcohol use, and casual sex.



Subject: 3-1. Why are there so many rules?
Straight-edge isn&#39;t about rules. It&#39;s a philosophy about being in
control of your own actions and making decisions for yourself. As a
result you&#39;ll choose not to smoke, drink, sleep around, eat meat but
these choices may be different to different people. The hallmarks of
straight-edge remain hardcore/punk music and don&#39;t smoke, don&#39;t drink, don&#39;t ####.



Subject: 3-13. Do straight-edge kids have sex at all?
In short yes. However, most sxe kids will wait until they are ready to
take on the responsibility of a relationship that is serious enough
for the commitment of marraige.


The songs:

Out of Step (with the world) - Minor Threat
(I) Don&#39;t smoke
Don&#39;t drink
Don&#39;t ####
At least I can ####### think
I can&#39;t keep up
Can&#39;t keep up
Can&#39;t keep up
Out of step with the world

Straight Edge - Minor Threat
I&#39;m a person just like you
But I&#39;ve got better things to do
Than sit around and smoke dope
&#39;Cause I know I can cope
Laugh at the thought of eating ludes
Laugh at the thought of sniffing glue
Always gonna keep in touch
Never want to use a crutch
I&#39;ve got the straight edge

(those aren&#39;t the full lyrics, but you get the idea)


*looks at the above post*

I have too much goddamn time on my hands.

[LornVourkolakas]

I&#39;m Straight Edge but because I pretty much have no other choice. But once I stop taking Gleevec, that&#39;s when the fun begins...

[Magick]

Yup, twicethetrouble has got it down. Straight-edge means no drinking - at all. Yes, even after you are 21.
I can&#39;t seem to stress this fact enough - you are not straight-edge until you actually claim it, and you only claim it when you know that you can control yourself and keep your life clean. Yes, it is a life commitment. If you happen to break edge and "sell out", you never really believed in the first place. If you haven&#39;t claimed edge officially and you don&#39;t smoke or drink now, then you&#39;re just simply clean.

[Whimsicality]

Originally posted by Magick@Mar 31 2004, 12:59 AM
If you haven&#39;t claimed edge officially and you don&#39;t smoke or drink now, then you&#39;re just simply clean.
Not that there&#39;s anything wrong with "just simply clean."

I hate it when straight-edgers get a "better then you" attitude...and NO, I am NOT speaking of anyone specifically, let alone anyone here, so no one claw out my eyes please.

[LornVourkolakas]

Originally posted by Magick@Mar 31 2004, 12:59 AM
Yup, twicethetrouble has got it down. Straight-edge means no drinking - at all. Yes, even after you are 21.
I can&#39;t seem to stress this fact enough - you are not straight-edge until you actually claim it, and you only claim it when you know that you can control yourself and keep your life clean. Yes, it is a life commitment. If you happen to break edge and "sell out", you never really believed in the first place. If you haven&#39;t claimed edge officially and you don&#39;t smoke or drink now, then you&#39;re just simply clean.
In that case, I&#39;m not sXe..

[Magick]

Originally posted by twicethetrouble@Mar 30 2004, 08:02 PM

Not that there&#39;s anything wrong with "just simply clean."

I hate it when straight-edgers get a "better then you" attitude...and NO, I am NOT speaking of anyone specifically, let alone anyone here, so no one claw out my eyes please.
Oh, definitely not.

Yeah, me, too. I just hate it when people think they&#39;re edge but break it next week. :mellow: I&#39;ve had so many friends do that.

[Link04]

I suppose I&#39;m Straight Edge then. Actually, take away the suppose, that&#39;s me alright.

[Alacrity]

I can&#39;t stand smoking, the smell, what it does to you, anything of the sort. I would actually steal my aunt&#39;s cigarettes and hide them so that she couldn&#39;t smoke them when I was little =P. I can&#39;t stand the smell or taste of alcohol (Beer happens to look alot like apple juice when you&#39;re little...). I believe that sex should be saved until you&#39;re married and you can make a commitment, so i&#39;m straight edge too.

[LinkinTheory]

I guess I&#39;m "straight edge", but I refer to it as not being a dumb ####er who&#39;s wasting what God gave &#39;em.

[XEdgeXForLifeX]

Im straight edge and i love it. I claimed edge about 4 months ago, I am now in my sophmore year. Honestly im the only 1 that is straight edge in my school that I know of. Yes i do get tons of #### for it but you know what it is way worth it to me, edge is not a saying its a commitment and all u have to do is think about it say im edge and follow the edge rules. But you know waht half the people that tease me now have shown respect for me, cause I think they have seen how much of an impact edge power is. Anywayz keep in touch all of u and Let Edge be with you

[Anthony.]

Anyway, the important is not to follow a special guidline to feel like you&#39;re part of the "gang", it&#39;s all about setting you intelligent limits that you know won&#39;t affect your life negatively.

[XEdgeXForLifeX]

avenger actually you are right, i give you respect for that

[Anthony.]

But you&#39;re right too, I mean it&#39;s all about finding what you&#39;re ok in.

[XEdgeXForLifeX]

yea it just makes me mad watching people ruin the edge name. And i mean everyone has their differnet look on the whole sex part. Is it no sex or no permiscuous sex. I was always told no permiscious like doing a differnet chick at a different party all the time. I guess u do what you feel I mean dont they both worK? I honestly feel that if you are gonna be edge you really have to think about it because look Alcohol runs in my blood everyone in my family drinks, and I dont really think they support me in this because they dont really understand the meaning. People look at it as some type of hectic gang. But my cuzin he is 18 and edge first 1 in our family to go to college. and me and my otehr cuzin we are sophmores edge and yet we are going to college too

[ass_kicker]

isnt it all about taking what you want/what you need and using it so you can become who you want to be? what i mean by that is that you dont have to fallow straight edge rules or whatever, just do what you think is right.
so i guess i agree with avenger/edgeforlife.

[XEdgeXForLifeX]

thanks kicker are you edge?

[Odaton]

Straight edge to me is kinda dumb.

Okay, so I won&#39;t have sex, at least till I&#39;m done high school. And I don&#39;t like weed, and drugs are really dangerous besides so I don&#39;t do them. Even though I would accept people smoking pot with friends...I mean we&#39;re teenagers here, we experiment with things and learn from our mistakes. With drinking, I don&#39;t think anyone should not drink as a teenager, as long as they don&#39;t get addicted. I mean, getting smashed at some parties every once in a while will do you no lasting harm. Besides its fun :)

edit: If you choose to be sXe, I respect that...its just not something i would be.

[Glenn]

I don&#39;t like to consider it an official thing that "ooo I am sXe" (I&#39;m not by the way)

I mean, I don&#39;t do drugs, don&#39;t drink, and don&#39;t have sex, but I might do any combination of the 3 in my future years, so I guess its not a life commitment.

[Odaton]

Originally posted by DuffsterLP@Apr 1 2004, 10:00 PM
I don&#39;t like to consider it an official thing that "ooo I am sXe" (I&#39;m not by the way)

I mean, I don&#39;t do drugs, don&#39;t drink, and don&#39;t have sex, but I might do any combination of the 3 in my future years, so I guess its not a life commitment.
Well said, my views have changed radically in the past 2-3 years.

[Glenn]

Originally posted by Link04@Mar 30 2004, 08:11 PM
I suppose I&#39;m Straight Edge then. Actually, take away the suppose, that&#39;s me alright.
"I I&#39;m Straight Edge Then"

:P :lol:

[Sam]

Originally posted by DuffsterLP@Apr 1 2004, 05:00 PM
I don&#39;t like to consider it an official thing that "ooo I am sXe" (I&#39;m not by the way)

I mean, I don&#39;t do drugs, don&#39;t drink, and don&#39;t have sex, but I might do any combination of the 3 in my future years, so I guess its not a life commitment.
Yea.. SAme here.. I just swear i&#39;ll never do drugs, cause I mean come on. Why would anyone want that? (don&#39;t comment on that please lol, unless you believe that too..)

[Will]

Originally posted by Odaton@Apr 1 2004, 04:56 PM
With drinking, I don&#39;t think anyone should not drink as a teenager, as long as they don&#39;t get addicted. I mean, getting smashed at some parties every once in a while will do you no lasting harm. Besides its fun :)
I&#39;m going to give you background information on why I choose not to drink:

One night, a friend of a friend&#39;s went out partying and it was his first time drinking. He ended up getting wasted and then was dead the next day because he was in a car accident.

That&#39;s why I choose not to drink because that could happen to me.

....[/random]

[XEdgeXForLifeX]

yea will I understand. What really influenced me is seeing how bad all that stuff affected my family. My dad was a rock and roll singer. Druggie all that bad stuff. He would leave for 2 weeks at a time spending all my moms money and buy drugs, he left us on our own for months at a time just showing up when he felt like it. Ill never forget when he told me he was going to get milk and diidnt come bak for 3 weeks. Seeing what all this did to my dad reflected back on me. If im lucky i get to c my dad once a year. I mean I can forgive him but Ill never forgive the impact it left on me

[Blaze]

well i guess i might put an X on my hand but its like..i never wanted to do any of those things its just the way i was brought up and raised so i never planned on doing those things.

so i guess you could say i&#39;m straight edge

[XEdgeXForLifeX]

its your choice it was soo hard for me, I mean claiming edge was probably one of the hardest for me, thinking of all the old habits think about it. Follow what your heart tells you

[ass_kicker]

Originally posted by XEdgeXForLifeX@Apr 1 2004, 06:35 PM
thanks kicker are you edge?
sorreys it took me ages to reply...

no, im not edge. i smoke. i smoke like once a week but when i do i smoke like the whole package.
im still a virgin, so i dont have sex. and i want to stay a virgin till my wedding night, which probably wont happen but yeah.
i drink occasionally. only like bacardi with something... just on parties but i never get drunk.
what else...
oh yeah. i dont take drugs/ i never tried them. and im not planning to in the nearby future.
anything else...? no i think thats everything.
oh and im not a vegetarian cos im not strong enough. :shifty:

[Odaton]

Originally posted by Will+Apr 1 2004, 10:13 PM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (Will @ Apr 1 2004, 10:13 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> <!--QuoteBegin--Odaton@Apr 1 2004, 04:56 PM
With drinking, I don&#39;t think anyone should not drink as a teenager, as long as they don&#39;t get addicted. I mean, getting smashed at some parties every once in a while will do you no lasting harm. Besides its fun :)
I&#39;m going to give you background information on why I choose not to drink:

One night, a friend of a friend&#39;s went out partying and it was his first time drinking. He ended up getting wasted and then was dead the next day because he was in a car accident.

That&#39;s why I choose not to drink because that could happen to me.

....[/random] [/b][/quote]
That sucks :(

Well I understand that you&#39;ve had a more personal experience, but most people who party up (my parents included) have gone on to lead happy, successful lives.

But yea, I guess since people are so out of it they don&#39;t think about the dangers of drinking and driving....good point there. I understand your decision :)

[lp_dreamer]

i drink once and a while, i dont smoke cuz i dont wanna, i dont want yellow teeth lol. i dont use drugs becuase my cousin died of a drug o.d. and i think its a waste of time and people only do it to be "cool" im not like that i wouldnt do anything to make me look "cool" im not planning on waiting until marriage for sex, i want to be with someone that i love and trust and have been with for a while though

[LornVourkolakas]

lp_dreamer: a lot of people do it for more reasons than to just be "cool". So don&#39;t go assuming you know everyone&#39;s motives when you don&#39;t.

Again - I&#39;m not straight edge. Right now I&#39;m being forced to not do certain things because of current situations.

I&#39;m just clean as of now. Always been clean. But straight edge - no.

I&#39;ll just live my life to its best. Whether or not that life will involve drinking or drugs is up to the circumstances in the future.

[Madias04x]

Ok, it&#39;s my turn to comment. So far the worst thing I&#39;ve heard from all non sXe is that they drink, smoke everynow and then, and some have had sex. Let me tell you something that you need to hear. I was home-schooled all my life (just graduated, fixing to turn 18 on 04/20). As soon as I got my truck, I felt I had more freedom than I ever had. I was so pissed off at my parents for holding me back. So the very first thing I did (BTW, I&#39;m 5&#39;10 and I weigh 145 lbs) when I had "freedom" is I went out and drink 12 beers in 30 minutes&#33;&#33;&#33; Right now I can just see your reactions on your faces&#33; lol&#33; Yes, I was super f*cked up. But, I was with people who I trusted and they promised me they would not let me leave the house. Now I don&#39;t remember doing this because I was so damn drunk, but they said I got into my truck and started it up. Everyone at this party was drunk off their asses&#33; But, I was the only who drank that many beers in so little time that I don&#39;t remember half the night. Anyways, they stoped me from leaving. After that I passed out, then the next morning I woke up and they said I they were dragging me through out the house because I was throwing up. Funny thing is I had no hangover (I&#39;m not trying to brag). My first expierance was a HUGE wake up call. If my friend hadn&#39;t of been there to stop me from driving off, I could be dead. I tend to drink every now and then, just depends on what&#39;s going on. But now when I do, I know my limits. I know when I&#39;m at my sober stage, when I&#39;m at my buzzed staged, when I&#39;m at my drunk stage, and when I&#39;m at my f*cked up stage. Every since my frist time drinking, I ALWAYS stop right at the drunk stage. Yes, I&#39;m drunk, and I&#39;m having the effects of being drunk and having slow reaction time and so forth. But then again I have self-controll over myself not to do stupid sh*t like drive wasted&#33; I&#39;m sorry, but I must bore you all with more...you&#39;ll thank me later maybe. You cant really compare drinking to drugs, because in the same way your putting something into body and therefor "f*cks you up". I&#39;ve learned that if you going to do anything, whether is be drinking, smoking pot, or doing drugs, you have to know when enough is enough. Because honeslty, once you&#39;ve had more than enough you&#39;re going to regret it, just like I did when I first drink. I was lucky, and I learned my lesson, and now when I drink I KNOW when to stop. And drinking is something my family has a hard time with, because my grandparents HAD to have beer to get through the day....they were addicted. Somehow drinking doesn&#39;t effect me they way it did for them. Maybe it&#39;s because I had good trusting friends with me that night to not let me to stupid crap. Maybe it&#39;s because I learned my lesson. I know one thing, I woke up the next morning and never drank another beer for 3 months because it tasted so gross. I used to love the taste of beer. Even now after two years later, everytime I sip a beer is brings back those memorize, and it forces me not to drink. But like I said, I know my limits, I know when to stop, and I know when enough is enough. Ok, so I did the drinking stage, got tired of it after a while, wanted something new. So my friend wanted me to try some coke. I did, and I had quite a bit. To be honeslt, that drug does nothing for you but make you have dry mouth, and bitter taste in the back of your throat and you cannot stop talking to ppl, so you look like a dipshit. I tried it once, and said "screw this crap" and to this day I refuse to do it. So I went back into "finding something new". So i got a hold of some pot one day, and I smoked a lot and I was extremely f*cked up. Again, I had a trusting friend with me who said "if you smoke, I&#39;m not, because one of has to look after the other." So he drove to the store with me and I remember sitting there in my seat and it&#39;s like I black out and didn&#39;t come back until 5-10 minutes later and be toltally confused on where the f*ck I was. It sounds like it&#39;s not a good feeling, but honeslty it was the best feeling I have ever felt. Hang over on weed suck ass though (I know all the ppl on this board who smoke pot understand). Ok so bla bla, did the drinking thing, didn&#39;t like the coke, I was tired of getting stoned, what else could I do&#33; Nothing&#33; I refused to use needles to inject drugs into your body. Once it&#39;s in there, lol, it&#39;s not coming out. And I only laugh because some ppl abuse what they take, and those are the ones who die. I was basicly completely sober for the next three months. I didn&#39;t do a single thing (except have a drink every now and then) for three months. I was offered ecstasy a few times but I heard about the risks and I&#39;m scared to death of what one little pill can do to you? But I kept getting it offered to me over and over. Finally I did some research on the damn thing and learned that the pill itself is as dangerous as you make it. You take one, to feel good, then it dies, so you take another, but the second won&#39;t do #### to you. There&#39;s something your brain that&#39;s being released in small portions, basicly telling of pain, fear, hungry, sleepiness, happiness and anger. Well when you take X, it released every bit of that into your brain. We&#39;re talking to the point of where you&#39;re brain is like "DAMN&#33;", and once it&#39;s all been released, it can&#39;t be built up again like majic. It takes time, so when the first pill dies down, ppl take another, and another. Then eventually you&#39;ll get a very skinny 16-year old who&#39;s unhealthy and takes two Purple Stars (I live in Waco, TX, and I founded out those pills where new in Waco and everyone was trippen over it) and she has a wonderful time. Then at 10 in the morning falls to the ground and has a ceaser (SP?). She didn&#39;t die, but she same close. My main point I&#39;m trying to get across is drinking/drugs are ONLY as dangerous as you make them. Personally, if you have the will power to say no to is all, thats great&#33; I really like ppl like that. But at the same I have friends who are always getting f*cked up from what not, and have no self-controll over what they do. Drinking is just as bad as doing drugs. You get too damn drunk and feel liek taking a drive, you&#39;re most likley gonna killed or something. You OD on drungs and you&#39;re pretty much screwed. Like I said, I have great respect for ppl who can say no to all that stuff. But at the same time I HATE ppl that have no self controll over what they do that they&#39;ll do anything and everything and do more than their supossed to because "they think they can handle it". And those are the ppl who die in car wrecks from from drinking and driving, or end up killing someonw else. I knew some guy a while back who got drunk, hit a lady walking her dog and killed her, and now he&#39;s living in jail with that day always on his mind. I say if you abuse what you have, then either don&#39;t do it, or spend the rest of life in misery from it (ex, my friend in jail). I also have great respect for people who can drink/do drugs and know when enough is enough. In fact (please don&#39;t get pissed at me for saying this), I have greater respect for those who have done it, still do it, and still have self controll over when enough is enough and have enough self controll that drinking or a drug has to be a part of the system everyday. To rewind things a little, I ended up doing ecsacty. After learning what I did, and figuring out that you will not die if you take one, because thats all you need, and taking too many "may" kill you. So I took this pill, I know it was blue but I can&#39;t remember the name of it. This was actually Friday night I took. I had just gotten off of work, and I was extrememly pissed off because works sucks, I was very tired. I wanted to go home. I figured what the hell, one pill isn&#39;t gonna kill me, let&#39;s see if it&#39;s worth everybody is taking about. So I take the damn thing, 30 minutes later, I felt nothing. I was pissed off because that crap didn&#39;t do a damn thing. So I go lay in bed and try to fall asleep, about 15 minutes I had to go to the bathroom. Walked into the bathoom and felt like I was in heaven. Excstasy is something I cannt desribe in words, it&#39;s something you had to have taken to know what I&#39;m talking about. I can say though that I wasn&#39;t tired anymore, I wasn&#39;t pissed off about work, I felt no uncomfort what so ever, and I sat in my truck and listened to techo for at least 4 hours and it was the best thing ever. It&#39;s something you have to expirence in order to understand. I ended going to a party with about 6 more ppl who were also rollin&#39;, and i was offered two more pills, just like that&#33; If I hadn&#39;t of done my research, I would of taken them by instint thinking if what I feel now is great, what would two more do to me? Nothing, put me in a hospittle bed, if i was lucky. And after that night, I came to realize that drugs are not harmfull if you don&#39;t abuse them and take then on a normal basic. I&#39;m not saying go out and do it, it&#39;s a little more difficute than that. I hear about people who&#39;ve taken drugs for the hell of it, they didn&#39;t know they hell the drug did to them, didn&#39;t know how much was too much, they didnt&#39; know crap, and they end up dead of screwed up for a pretty long time. I&#39;m telling everyone in here right now who does drink and/or smoked pot that you need to be carefull. And what I say now is don&#39;t be affraid of the drug, be afraid of how you use it. Something thing for drinking too. One thing I learned from ecstacy is that it makes you feel really good. It will not slow down your time reaction or anything, you can drive while you&#39;re rolling and it feels not different than if you were driving sober (except you feel your floating, that you and gravity have no connection whatsoever....lol) But one thing you cannot hide is how big your puples get (sp?), because they are so big you can hardly even see any color in your eye except whit and black. It doesn&#39;t effect you&#39;re vision, but if somebody you know (like your parents) saw your eyes, there would be no lie you could say that make them belive. I&#39;m going way out of my topic here, but I really wanted to say something because from what I&#39;ve been hearing ppl doing on this board is nothing compared to what I went through this past weekend. Doing pot is prolly the very first drug anyone does? You can&#39;t OD on pot, well you can if you smoke you&#39;re whole body weight, but it wouldn&#39;t happen. Pot is a very addicting drug for many ppl. And any kind of drug you do over and over again like its a daily routine will eventually lead to to bad stuff. I know guy now who HAS to smoke pot everyday, and he&#39;s been doing since he was 12 years old (he&#39;s 19 now) that when he&#39;s sober, his brain cannot function right. He has memory loss, you can tell him something simple, like you&#39;re name, and in one minute he will forget it. I know for ecstacy that ppl who do it, will take it more than twice a month. From reading about what I read, it takes like 2 weeks for your brian to build back what the X drained. It&#39;s not dangerous at first, or even the second time, it&#39;s the addiction and doing it once or twice a weeks that kills you. Eventually it gets to the point that the heaven feeling you used to have from taking one pill doesn;t nothing but let you function normally. And when you&#39;re not on the pill, you brain doesn;&#39;t have enough....i think it&#39;s serotonins or something....that you get depressed, lazy and so on. The wy I see it, everything you take has it&#39;s own effect to your body in a different way. Take drinking for example, if you drink too much, eventually you&#39;re liver will give out or something. Now drinking every once in a while is fine....there&#39;s nothing wrong with it, until you start abusing it. Now I&#39;m going to compare drinking with ecstasy. I know your first reaction is "well of course X is worse". But the truth is, there&#39;s not differance. You putting something into your body to make you feel good. After 6-7 beers (well for me anyways) you&#39;re feeling pretty damn. I always stop at the stage, but some dont. they drink too much, get to drunk, do something stupid. Ecstasy...okay...you take one pill and I promise thats all you need. But some ppl (like that 15 year girl who OD) took two without knowing what the hell it could do to her. She prolly thought (key word) that that little bitty pill wouldn&#39;t have an effect on her. So she takes two and goes to the hospittle. Now I will say drinking beer is safer than poping a pill because you can stop drinking whenever. Once that pill is in your body, it&#39;s not comming out. But then again, you go to some party and see somebody who takes 15 shots of vodka (80%) in a row without thinking of what the hell it&#39;s gonna do. All that person knows before they take is "I know if I take this many, I will be super f*cked up". And they are for little bit, then they get alchole poisoning from it and die. I know drinking seems very safe compared to X, but the truth is, because I know from drinking and taking X, that you need to know what your putting into to you. 15 shots would prolly kill me, or damn close. 2 pills prolly wouldn&#39;t kill me, but I&#39;m not gonna find out&#33; You know what I&#39;m saying though, if you do anything too much it&#39;s going to kill you...anything&#33; I&#39;m going to end this post because I know it&#39;s long as hell. But, to all those who are entering high-school and are wanting to take drugs, or have taken drugs, to be carefull. Know what your taking, know when to stop, because you only get one chance. Ok, well I&#39;ve said enough.....I&#39;m ready for a few flamings&#33;

[LornVourkolakas]

Originally posted by Madias04x@Apr 4 2004, 05:15 PM
Ok, it&#39;s my turn to comment. So far the worst thing I&#39;ve heard from all non sXe is that they drink, smoke everynow and then, and some have had sex. Let me tell you something that you need to hear. I was home-schooled all my life (just graduated, fixing to turn 18 on 04/20). As soon as I got my truck, I felt I had more freedom than I ever had. I was so pissed off at my parents for holding me back. So the very first thing I did (BTW, I&#39;m 5&#39;10 and I weigh 145 lbs) when I had "freedom" is I went out and drink 12 beers in 30 minutes&#33;&#33;&#33; Right now I can just see your reactions on your faces&#33; lol&#33; Yes, I was super f*cked up. But, I was with people who I trusted and they promised me they would not let me leave the house. Now I don&#39;t remember doing this because I was so damn drunk, but they said I got into my truck and started it up. Everyone at this party was drunk off their asses&#33; But, I was the only who drank that many beers in so little time that I don&#39;t remember half the night. Anyways, they stoped me from leaving. After that I passed out, then the next morning I woke up and they said I they were dragging me through out the house because I was throwing up. Funny thing is I had no hangover (I&#39;m not trying to brag). My first expierance was a HUGE wake up call. If my friend hadn&#39;t of been there to stop me from driving off, I could be dead. I tend to drink every now and then, just depends on what&#39;s going on. But now when I do, I know my limits. I know when I&#39;m at my sober stage, when I&#39;m at my buzzed staged, when I&#39;m at my drunk stage, and when I&#39;m at my f*cked up stage. Every since my frist time drinking, I ALWAYS stop right at the drunk stage. Yes, I&#39;m drunk, and I&#39;m having the effects of being drunk and having slow reaction time and so forth. But then again I have self-controll over myself not to do stupid sh*t like drive wasted&#33; I&#39;m sorry, but I must bore you all with more...you&#39;ll thank me later maybe. You cant really compare drinking to drugs, because in the same way your putting something into body and therefor "f*cks you up". I&#39;ve learned that if you going to do anything, whether is be drinking, smoking pot, or doing drugs, you have to know when enough is enough. Because honeslty, once you&#39;ve had more than enough you&#39;re going to regret it, just like I did when I first drink. I was lucky, and I learned my lesson, and now when I drink I KNOW when to stop. And drinking is something my family has a hard time with, because my grandparents HAD to have beer to get through the day....they were addicted. Somehow drinking doesn&#39;t effect me they way it did for them. Maybe it&#39;s because I had good trusting friends with me that night to not let me to stupid crap. Maybe it&#39;s because I learned my lesson. I know one thing, I woke up the next morning and never drank another beer for 3 months because it tasted so gross. I used to love the taste of beer. Even now after two years later, everytime I sip a beer is brings back those memorize, and it forces me not to drink. But like I said, I know my limits, I know when to stop, and I know when enough is enough. Ok, so I did the drinking stage, got tired of it after a while, wanted something new. So my friend wanted me to try some coke. I did, and I had quite a bit. To be honeslt, that drug does nothing for you but make you have dry mouth, and bitter taste in the back of your throat and you cannot stop talking to ppl, so you look like a dipshit. I tried it once, and said "screw this crap" and to this day I refuse to do it. So I went back into "finding something new". So i got a hold of some pot one day, and I smoked a lot and I was extremely f*cked up. Again, I had a trusting friend with me who said "if you smoke, I&#39;m not, because one of has to look after the other." So he drove to the store with me and I remember sitting there in my seat and it&#39;s like I black out and didn&#39;t come back until 5-10 minutes later and be toltally confused on where the f*ck I was. It sounds like it&#39;s not a good feeling, but honeslty it was the best feeling I have ever felt. Hang over on weed suck ass though (I know all the ppl on this board who smoke pot understand). Ok so bla bla, did the drinking thing, didn&#39;t like the coke, I was tired of getting stoned, what else could I do&#33; Nothing&#33; I refused to use needles to inject drugs into your body. Once it&#39;s in there, lol, it&#39;s not coming out. And I only laugh because some ppl abuse what they take, and those are the ones who die. I was basicly completely sober for the next three months. I didn&#39;t do a single thing (except have a drink every now and then) for three months. I was offered ecstasy a few times but I heard about the risks and I&#39;m scared to death of what one little pill can do to you? But I kept getting it offered to me over and over. Finally I did some research on the damn thing and learned that the pill itself is as dangerous as you make it. You take one, to feel good, then it dies, so you take another, but the second won&#39;t do #### to you. There&#39;s something your brain that&#39;s being released in small portions, basicly telling of pain, fear, hungry, sleepiness, happiness and anger. Well when you take X, it released every bit of that into your brain. We&#39;re talking to the point of where you&#39;re brain is like "DAMN&#33;", and once it&#39;s all been released, it can&#39;t be built up again like majic. It takes time, so when the first pill dies down, ppl take another, and another. Then eventually you&#39;ll get a very skinny 16-year old who&#39;s unhealthy and takes two Purple Stars (I live in Waco, TX, and I founded out those pills where new in Waco and everyone was trippen over it) and she has a wonderful time. Then at 10 in the morning falls to the ground and has a ceaser (SP?). She didn&#39;t die, but she same close. My main point I&#39;m trying to get across is drinking/drugs are ONLY as dangerous as you make them. Personally, if you have the will power to say no to is all, thats great&#33; I really like ppl like that. But at the same I have friends who are always getting f*cked up from what not, and have no self-controll over what they do. Drinking is just as bad as doing drugs. You get too damn drunk and feel liek taking a drive, you&#39;re most likley gonna killed or something. You OD on drungs and you&#39;re pretty much screwed. Like I said, I have great respect for ppl who can say no to all that stuff. But at the same time I HATE ppl that have no self controll over what they do that they&#39;ll do anything and everything and do more than their supossed to because "they think they can handle it". And those are the ppl who die in car wrecks from from drinking and driving, or end up killing someonw else. I knew some guy a while back who got drunk, hit a lady walking her dog and killed her, and now he&#39;s living in jail with that day always on his mind. I say if you abuse what you have, then either don&#39;t do it, or spend the rest of life in misery from it (ex, my friend in jail). I also have great respect for people who can drink/do drugs and know when enough is enough. In fact (please don&#39;t get pissed at me for saying this), I have greater respect for those who have done it, still do it, and still have self controll over when enough is enough and have enough self controll that drinking or a drug has to be a part of the system everyday. To rewind things a little, I ended up doing ecsacty. After learning what I did, and figuring out that you will not die if you take one, because thats all you need, and taking too many "may" kill you. So I took this pill, I know it was blue but I can&#39;t remember the name of it. This was actually Friday night I took. I had just gotten off of work, and I was extrememly pissed off because works sucks, I was very tired. I wanted to go home. I figured what the hell, one pill isn&#39;t gonna kill me, let&#39;s see if it&#39;s worth everybody is taking about. So I take the damn thing, 30 minutes later, I felt nothing. I was pissed off because that crap didn&#39;t do a damn thing. So I go lay in bed and try to fall asleep, about 15 minutes I had to go to the bathroom. Walked into the bathoom and felt like I was in heaven. Excstasy is something I cannt desribe in words, it&#39;s something you had to have taken to know what I&#39;m talking about. I can say though that I wasn&#39;t tired anymore, I wasn&#39;t pissed off about work, I felt no uncomfort what so ever, and I sat in my truck and listened to techo for at least 4 hours and it was the best thing ever. It&#39;s something you have to expirence in order to understand. I ended going to a party with about 6 more ppl who were also rollin&#39;, and i was offered two more pills, just like that&#33; If I hadn&#39;t of done my research, I would of taken them by instint thinking if what I feel now is great, what would two more do to me? Nothing, put me in a hospittle bed, if i was lucky. And after that night, I came to realize that drugs are not harmfull if you don&#39;t abuse them and take then on a normal basic. I&#39;m not saying go out and do it, it&#39;s a little more difficute than that. I hear about people who&#39;ve taken drugs for the hell of it, they didn&#39;t know they hell the drug did to them, didn&#39;t know how much was too much, they didnt&#39; know crap, and they end up dead of screwed up for a pretty long time. I&#39;m telling everyone in here right now who does drink and/or smoked pot that you need to be carefull. And what I say now is don&#39;t be affraid of the drug, be afraid of how you use it. Something thing for drinking too. One thing I learned from ecstacy is that it makes you feel really good. It will not slow down your time reaction or anything, you can drive while you&#39;re rolling and it feels not different than if you were driving sober (except you feel your floating, that you and gravity have no connection whatsoever....lol) But one thing you cannot hide is how big your puples get (sp?), because they are so big you can hardly even see any color in your eye except whit and black. It doesn&#39;t effect you&#39;re vision, but if somebody you know (like your parents) saw your eyes, there would be no lie you could say that make them belive. I&#39;m going way out of my topic here, but I really wanted to say something because from what I&#39;ve been hearing ppl doing on this board is nothing compared to what I went through this past weekend. Doing pot is prolly the very first drug anyone does? You can&#39;t OD on pot, well you can if you smoke you&#39;re whole body weight, but it wouldn&#39;t happen. Pot is a very addicting drug for many ppl. And any kind of drug you do over and over again like its a daily routine will eventually lead to to bad stuff. I know guy now who HAS to smoke pot everyday, and he&#39;s been doing since he was 12 years old (he&#39;s 19 now) that when he&#39;s sober, his brain cannot function right. He has memory loss, you can tell him something simple, like you&#39;re name, and in one minute he will forget it. I know for ecstacy that ppl who do it, will take it more than twice a month. From reading about what I read, it takes like 2 weeks for your brian to build back what the X drained. It&#39;s not dangerous at first, or even the second time, it&#39;s the addiction and doing it once or twice a weeks that kills you. Eventually it gets to the point that the heaven feeling you used to have from taking one pill doesn;t nothing but let you function normally. And when you&#39;re not on the pill, you brain doesn;&#39;t have enough....i think it&#39;s serotonins or something....that you get depressed, lazy and so on. The wy I see it, everything you take has it&#39;s own effect to your body in a different way. Take drinking for example, if you drink too much, eventually you&#39;re liver will give out or something. Now drinking every once in a while is fine....there&#39;s nothing wrong with it, until you start abusing it. Now I&#39;m going to compare drinking with ecstasy. I know your first reaction is "well of course X is worse". But the truth is, there&#39;s not differance. You putting something into your body to make you feel good. After 6-7 beers (well for me anyways) you&#39;re feeling pretty damn. I always stop at the stage, but some dont. they drink too much, get to drunk, do something stupid. Ecstasy...okay...you take one pill and I promise thats all you need. But some ppl (like that 15 year girl who OD) took two without knowing what the hell it could do to her. She prolly thought (key word) that that little bitty pill wouldn&#39;t have an effect on her. So she takes two and goes to the hospittle. Now I will say drinking beer is safer than poping a pill because you can stop drinking whenever. Once that pill is in your body, it&#39;s not comming out. But then again, you go to some party and see somebody who takes 15 shots of vodka (80%) in a row without thinking of what the hell it&#39;s gonna do. All that person knows before they take is "I know if I take this many, I will be super f*cked up". And they are for little bit, then they get alchole poisoning from it and die. I know drinking seems very safe compared to X, but the truth is, because I know from drinking and taking X, that you need to know what your putting into to you. 15 shots would prolly kill me, or damn close. 2 pills prolly wouldn&#39;t kill me, but I&#39;m not gonna find out&#33; You know what I&#39;m saying though, if you do anything too much it&#39;s going to kill you...anything&#33; I&#39;m going to end this post because I know it&#39;s long as hell. But, to all those who are entering high-school and are wanting to take drugs, or have taken drugs, to be carefull. Know what your taking, know when to stop, because you only get one chance. Ok, well I&#39;ve said enough.....I&#39;m ready for a few flamings&#33;
So basicly what you&#39;re saying is that you&#39;re not sXe, right? lol

But I get what you&#39;re saying. I mean, a lot of things are good for you, but if you abuse it, it&#39;s not.

I mean, a lot of drugs started off as medicine but than people started abusing and thus resulting in these drugs becoming illegal.

Some things are only as bad as you make it.

A good example would be the pills I&#39;m taking. For each person, the amount would be different. For me, it&#39;s 5 all at once each day.

Some people, on the other hand, might have to take more than 5 or less. And if they take the wrong amount, of course, the results won&#39;t be good.

People just have to know their limits when it comes to drugs and even medicine. You got to know your limits.

[Madias04x]

Yeah, I hear you. I didn&#39;t mean to go on and on about my life....I got carried away...sorry. And also I didn&#39;t want my long ass speach to make some people think it&#39;s okay to do drugs. If you have enough power to say no, then more power to you.

[Odaton]

:whistle:
How long did that take to write, Madias?

:lol:

[Link04]

Originally posted by DuffsterLP+Apr 1 2004, 10:04 PM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (DuffsterLP @ Apr 1 2004, 10:04 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> <!--QuoteBegin--Link04@Mar 30 2004, 08:11 PM
I suppose I&#39;m Straight Edge then. Actually, take away the suppose, that&#39;s me alright.
"I I&#39;m Straight Edge Then"

:P :lol: [/b][/quote]
:lol: lol, well, for all you know I could have a stutter..... :P

[Radical Dreamer]

I didn&#39;t claim straight edge until I was 17. Some people do it for personal reasons, such as having an alcoholic/a drug addict in their family or friendship circle, but I just choose not to indulge in that kind of lifestyle. On top of that, my dad died in a drink-driving accident and alcohol pretty much f*cked him up so I suppose that has influenced my decision. Might I add, my dad was a douche bag with or without the alcohol; that&#39;s why I&#39;m better off without him. I&#39;ve never had a bad experience with alcohol though. I&#39;ve never gotten drunk either. The only alcohol I ever had was half a can of beer which was not enough to intoxicate me. Giving up alcohol wasn&#39;t hard for me either because I&#39;ve never liked the taste of it. Sometimes I do wonder what it&#39;d be like to get drunk but my straight edgeness always keeps my feet firmly on the ground. For some, it&#39;s a hard decision, but becoming sXe is probably the best decision I&#39;ve ever made in my life. At the end of the day, it&#39;s not about cramping your lifestyle, it&#39;s about taking responsibility for yourself and your body. ^_^


But at the same time I HATE ppl that have no self controll over what they do that they&#39;ll do anything and everything and do more than their supossed to because "they think they can handle it".

Most people in my class who drink and take drugs have that mentality, although they seem pretty okay and nothing serious has happened to them yet.

[Tim]

Originally posted by Will@Mar 27 2004, 06:36 PM
I&#39;m straight edge and I love the fact that I can piss people off by saying that I&#39;m straight edge. People at my school always make fun of me for it by saying that I&#39;m too scared to drink or smoke or have sex when that&#39;s hardly true. I could ruin my body by smoking or drinking, but I choose not to. I also don&#39;t plan on having sex until I&#39;m with the girl I plan on spending the rest of my life with.
I agree.

[Will]

Originally posted by Tim+Apr 4 2004, 05:45 PM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (Tim @ Apr 4 2004, 05:45 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> <!--QuoteBegin--Will@Mar 27 2004, 06:36 PM
I&#39;m straight edge and I love the fact that I can piss people off by saying that I&#39;m straight edge. People at my school always make fun of me for it by saying that I&#39;m too scared to drink or smoke or have sex when that&#39;s hardly true. I could ruin my body by smoking or drinking, but I choose not to. I also don&#39;t plan on having sex until I&#39;m with the girl I plan on spending the rest of my life with.
I agree. [/b][/quote]
:o

It&#39;s Tim&#33; :lol:

[Tim]

Originally posted by Will+Apr 4 2004, 06:48 PM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (Will @ Apr 4 2004, 06:48 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'>
Originally posted by -Tim@Apr 4 2004, 05:45 PM
<!--QuoteBegin--Will@Mar 27 2004, 06:36 PM
I&#39;m straight edge and I love the fact that I can piss people off by saying that I&#39;m straight edge.* People at my school always make fun of me for it by saying that I&#39;m too scared to drink or smoke or have sex when that&#39;s hardly true.* I could ruin my body by smoking or drinking, but I choose not to.* I also don&#39;t plan on having sex until I&#39;m with the girl I plan on spending the rest of my life with.
I agree.
:o

It&#39;s Tim&#33; :lol: [/b][/quote]
Hey there Will.

Sorry for the abscence. Miss me?

[Will]

Originally posted by Tim+Apr 4 2004, 05:49 PM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (Tim @ Apr 4 2004, 05:49 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'>
Originally posted by -Will@Apr 4 2004, 06:48 PM

Originally posted by -Tim@Apr 4 2004, 05:45 PM
<!--QuoteBegin--Will@Mar 27 2004, 06:36 PM
I&#39;m straight edge and I love the fact that I can piss people off by saying that I&#39;m straight edge.* People at my school always make fun of me for it by saying that I&#39;m too scared to drink or smoke or have sex when that&#39;s hardly true.* I could ruin my body by smoking or drinking, but I choose not to.* I also don&#39;t plan on having sex until I&#39;m with the girl I plan on spending the rest of my life with.
I agree.
:o

It&#39;s Tim&#33; :lol:
Hey there Will.

Sorry for the abscence. Miss me? [/b][/quote]
Yes. Yes I did. :lol:

[arT saveS]

Originally posted by Madias04x@Apr 4 2004, 12:08 PM
Yeah, I hear you. I didn&#39;t mean to go on and on about my life....I got carried away...sorry. And also I didn&#39;t want my long ass speach to make some people think it&#39;s okay to do drugs. If you have enough power to say no, then more power to you.
Wow. That had to take a lot of time out of your day, and I respect you a lot for that post. I never really thought of drugs only dangerous if I took them. Your post help me a lot, and got me thinking about it all. I drink sometimes, but not too often, and usually when I do it&#39;s just something like a Jack Daniels wine cooler. Almost all of my friends smoke pot, and they have asked me if I wanted to try. Well I&#39;ve said no everytime, and always will, but that isn&#39;t because I&#39;m scared of it, it&#39;s because I hate what can happen to you. A friend of mine is totally "burnt", and he is probably the stupidest person you&#39;d meet, and he&#39;s only 15, my dad left me about 3 years ago for weed, and when I become a father, I want to be a good dad.

Your comments on "X" also helped, because I have been thinking about trying something. You say it&#39;s not harmful as long as you don&#39;t take more than one, and it feels great. I know your post wasn&#39;t telling us it&#39;s good to try, but I&#39;m a teen, and teens get depressed easily, and I figure that would probably be a good depression/stress reliever.

Anyways, once again, I respect you a lot for all the comments, and the entire post really.

--Lets see, I drink. Never smoked, never will. Haven&#39;t had sex, but I am in love with a girl, who is in love with me. We tell eachother almost everything, and we both come first in eachothers lives. We are only 15, but on my birthday I plan on taking her somewhere very romantic, and who knows what will happen. I love her more than anything, and I want to lose my virginity to her, and only her.

I&#39;m obviously not straight edge, but I respect those who are. I agree with others who say it&#39;s a life commitment, and I don&#39;t think I could do all of the things you need to to be Straight Edge.

There is one ... well I don&#39;t know what to call it ... guideline, I guess ... that I don&#39;t respect nor agree with. I have read a few posts regarding the sex, and that you should wait till your married, or in love. Well, you can fall in love with a thousand people, but you can&#39;t marry a thousand people ... you fall in love in highschool also, but the majority of the time you won&#39;t stay together. Like I said, I want to lose my virginity to this girl (I don&#39;t feel right saying her name), and I&#39;m in love with her so much, and care for her so much, but the odds are we won&#39;t stay together, and believe me, I would give anyhting to be with her forever. But if I do lose my virginity to her, and we don&#39;t stay together ... well I don&#39;t know ... I&#39;m kind of rambling and lost myself ...


Yeah, anyways I&#39;m not straight edge.


:wth: :unsure:

[LornVourkolakas]

Originally posted by Will+Apr 4 2004, 10:52 PM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (Will @ Apr 4 2004, 10:52 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'>
Originally posted by -Tim@Apr 4 2004, 05:49 PM

Originally posted by -Will@Apr 4 2004, 06:48 PM

Originally posted by -Tim@Apr 4 2004, 05:45 PM
<!--QuoteBegin--Will@Mar 27 2004, 06:36 PM
I&#39;m straight edge and I love the fact that I can piss people off by saying that I&#39;m straight edge.* People at my school always make fun of me for it by saying that I&#39;m too scared to drink or smoke or have sex when that&#39;s hardly true.* I could ruin my body by smoking or drinking, but I choose not to.* I also don&#39;t plan on having sex until I&#39;m with the girl I plan on spending the rest of my life with.
I agree.
:o

It&#39;s Tim&#33; :lol:
Hey there Will.

Sorry for the abscence. Miss me?
Yes. Yes I did. :lol: [/b][/quote]
Lets all have a beer celebrating Tims return. We&#39;re sXe, you dumbass &#33; :blush:

[Radical Dreamer]

Originally posted by iamthealmighty@Apr 4 2004, 10:53 PM
but the odds are we won&#39;t stay together
:o :(

You gotta be more optimistic than that.

[Whimsicality]

Originally posted by iamthealmighty+Apr 4 2004, 10:53 PM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (iamthealmighty @ Apr 4 2004, 10:53 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> <!--QuoteBegin--Madias04x@Apr 4 2004, 12:08 PM
Yeah, I hear you. I didn&#39;t [/b][/quote]
Thank you Iamtherealmighty and Madias, good posts :)


TIM&#39;s BACK&#33;&#33;&#33; :hugz:

[Madias04x]

Someone asked me how long it took me to write that, I didn&#39;t feel like quoting it because I&#39;m lazy. Actually...lol...it took me a good hour to write that crap up&#33;&#33;&#33; I had nothing better to do that day so I figured "what the hell". And another person said they were thinking about trying something, and that X isn&#39;t harmfull if you take only on? Truth is, everybody is different. You ever see somebody drink 3 beers and be drunk, yet another person drink 10 and is starting to feel good? Just do your research, on it. X isn&#39;t just something you take, there&#39;s stuff you need to do also before you take it, while it&#39;s in you, and after you take it. I&#39;m not gonna lie to you, there&#39;s is a downside to this drug. But at the same you feel too great to even notice it, but if you don&#39;t do anything about while you&#39;re rolling, you&#39;ll regret it afterwards. Before you take it, eat a very high-protine meal. Take a multi-vitamine or two. And sersiouly, drink either water, orange juice or gaterade. I perfer getting a gallon of orange juice and a thing of gaderade. The orange juice will put vitamine C in you, which is the most important vitamine to take while your rollin. And though water does clean everything out better, it tastes like crap and gives you dry cotton mouth. Gaterade will be fine to hyderate yourself. The very first time I did it, I rolled for 6-7 hours and everyone says when it dies down it sucks. If you take care of yourself, the only thing you&#39;ll feel afterwards is tired because you&#39;ve been up all night. Some pills last up to 16-20 hours&#33; Which means you&#39;re most likely going to be up all night. I know people who will just pass out after 14-16 hours or so because they are so exhausted, but they said when they fall asleep rollin, they feel their body floating in the air, and just other weird stuff I cant explain, and they said it&#39;s the best way to fall alseep. Anyway, do your rescearch on it before you take it, learn about the drug and know exactly what it does to you and how it works. If you know what your doing, then take one. No more than one for your first time though, I promise it&#39;ll be enough and you will feel like your in heaven. And actually, I used to smoke about 3 times a week, but when I took an X, I said screw the pot. I don&#39;t even want to look at another joint again. X compared to weed is like Linkin Park compared to the backstreet boys...lol&#33;

BTW, yeah I&#39;ve done drugs and drink, but I have never had sex before&#33; There were plenty of times I could of, but I always turn it down. I want to wait till I&#39;m married, and if I can&#39;t wait that long, at least someone who I love and loves me back.

[Odaton]

@ I am the almighty - I wouldn&#39;t try X....even one. You never know whats in that (chlorine, bleach, all kinds of sh*t). Actually a person I knew died a couple years ago from an overdose. :(

[Magick]

A lot of drugs are lined with various other stuff.. so it&#39;s best not to try anything. A friend of mine smoked something with elephant tranquilizer in it, and woke up in the hospital. He had two other friends that were smoking everything they could get and they flat-lined twice in the hospital. Needless to say, my friend&#39;s now home-schooled and is going to be sent to a rehab center & boot camp for a year.

[Odaton]

Originally posted by Magick@Apr 8 2004, 12:03 AM
A friend of mine smoked something with elephant tranquilizer in it,
:whistle:

You Chicago people&#33; :P

[PaPeR_CuT]

I wonder how X compares to Shrooms. I have done shrooms before and that is some Freeeeeeeky ####.

[Jila]

Originally posted by Odaton+Apr 7 2004, 04:06 PM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (Odaton @ Apr 7 2004, 04:06 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> <!--QuoteBegin--Magick@Apr 8 2004, 12:03 AM
A friend of mine smoked something with elephant tranquilizer in it,
:whistle:

You Chicago people&#33; :P [/b][/quote]
that would be PCP

[ass_kicker]

i admire people who are edge. come on, its bloody hard work.

[arT saveS]

Originally posted by Odaton@Apr 5 2004, 03:34 PM
@ I am the almighty - I wouldn&#39;t try X....even one. You never know whats in that (chlorine, bleach, all kinds of sh*t). Actually a person I knew died a couple years ago from an overdose. :(
Long time no text. :lol: Whats been up? You should get on MSN more when I&#39;m on, you still haven&#39;t sent your latest gp4 file.

Anyways, back on topic. Sorry to hear about your friend, Odaton.
A lot of drugs, like Magick (also sorry to hear about your friend) said, contain harmful material such as bleach, pinesol, or drano (ex. meth). And if I was to try one, I would definately look up on it like Madias suggested. But then again I don&#39;t know if I want to try drugs, because I&#39;m so much against them. I got really pissed when [my ex] and her best friend [her best friend is like a sister to me] tried pot with [the best friends] dad. They told me yesterday over the phone, and I got extremely pissed at them. I don&#39;t want anything to happen to them, plus my dad pretty much left me for weed, himself, and I don&#39;t want to lose them because not only do I love them both, but they are my best friends, and like I said in my other post, me and my ex are still in love, and if something happened to her ... my life would pretty much be destroyed. It would be very hypocritical and immature of myself to try &#39;X&#39;, because I get angry when my friends do pot ... and doing a drug that could potentially be 2 or 3x more dangerous ...

Anyways, thanks Odaton for the concern, and once again sorry about your friend. I don&#39;t know if I will try this drug, but you, magick, and madias have helped me see how stupid I could be, but that doesn&#39;t ignore the fact that it could reduce stress greatly, and I have had quite a load of it lately.

[Magick]

iamthealmighty - Aww, that touched me. I don&#39;t have control of what you do, obviously, but just note that taking drugs to reduce stress may just be a temporary thing. It may definitely lead to bigger problems, like financially.

ass_kicker - Actually, I don&#39;t think it&#39;s hard work at all. I find it so easy to say, "No."

Odaton - We&#39;re not as crazy as those Canadians. :chemist: :P

[Link04]

Originally posted by ass_kicker@Apr 8 2004, 04:49 PM
i admire people who are edge. come on, its bloody hard work.
I wouldn&#39;t say it&#39;s hard work....it&#39;s just not the most popular thing to do.

[ass_kicker]

Originally posted by Link04+Apr 10 2004, 07:47 PM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (Link04 @ Apr 10 2004, 07:47 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> <!--QuoteBegin--ass_kicker@Apr 8 2004, 04:49 PM
i admire people who are edge. come on, its bloody hard work.
I wouldn&#39;t say it&#39;s hard work....it&#39;s just not the most popular thing to do. [/b][/quote]
what i mean by hard work is that you have to stand against, like, basically the world. if you look around, theres alcohol/sex/drugs everywhere. its just hard to be strong. so i admire the people.

[LPpride006]

i got mad respect for people that are sXe cuz its not really the most popular thing to do at the moment even though im not cuz that stuff (alcohol an sex, etc) is everywhere

[Glenn]

i have respect for these people. :)

[ass_kicker]

Originally posted by Glenn@Apr 19 2004, 02:45 AM
i have respect for these people. :)
*respect&#33;*
:thumbsup: hope you have enough strength to go on like that. we all support you. but we aint strong enough to be edge with you -_- peace. respect.

[Michele890]

Originally posted by XEdgeXForLifeX@Apr 1 2004, 10:39 PM
yea will I understand. What really influenced me is seeing how bad all that stuff affected my family. My dad was a rock and roll singer. Druggie all that bad stuff. He would leave for 2 weeks at a time spending all my moms money and buy drugs, he left us on our own for months at a time just showing up when he felt like it. Ill never forget when he told me he was going to get milk and diidnt come bak for 3 weeks. Seeing what all this did to my dad reflected back on me. If im lucky i get to c my dad once a year. I mean I can forgive him but Ill never forgive the impact it left on me
Yeah........ I thought that I would NEVER smoke or drink, cause my dad is an alcoholic, and my mom smokes pot, like 10 times a day, seriously... But I guess that changed. Not like I&#39;m going to become either..... but IDK. It gives you a different view on it all. Which I&#39;ve chosen to ignore. Alot.

[ass_kicker]

Originally posted by Michele890+Apr 27 2004, 11:58 PM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (Michele890 @ Apr 27 2004, 11:58 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> <!--QuoteBegin--XEdgeXForLifeX@Apr 1 2004, 10:39 PM
yea will I understand. What really influenced me is seeing how bad all that stuff affected my family. My dad was a rock and roll singer. Druggie all that bad stuff. He would leave for 2 weeks at a time spending all my moms money and buy drugs, he left us on our own for months at a time just showing up when he felt like it. Ill never forget when he told me he was going to get milk and diidnt come bak for 3 weeks. Seeing what all this did to my dad reflected back on me. If im lucky i get to c my dad once a year. I mean I can forgive him but Ill never forgive the impact it left on me
Yeah........ I thought that I would NEVER smoke or drink, cause my dad is an alcoholic, and my mom smokes pot, like 10 times a day, seriously... But I guess that changed. Not like I&#39;m going to become either..... but IDK. It gives you a different view on it all. Which I&#39;ve chosen to ignore. Alot. [/b][/quote]
it seems like life is hard for you, michele. sorry to hear that. :wth:

[Michele890]

LOL, awww thank you :D It definatly has it&#39;s downs but I don&#39;t dwell on it all ya know? I have a great life, I love it. Haha... WITH all it&#39;s crap. But again, thank you :)