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Mcnasty
11-05-2003, 10:46 PM
I skipped school today and went to see Matrix Revolutions on the big IMAX screen :D I have to say I didnt suck, it was AMAZING. It was way better than the second one. I still cant beleave how good it was even though the end is kind of ify but IT WORKS :D I cant wait to buy the Matrix Trilogy on DVD and watch them all. If anybody here has seen it let me know what you think of the movie and dont spoil anything for people that havnt seen it.

Shade
11-05-2003, 11:04 PM
Just got back from seeing it. Wow, don't know what to say. It was a great ending, but the 1st one is still the best. As for comparing the 2nd and 3rd, I dunno. I see them as different movies. The second one had much more action, the third one answered a lot of loose ends. The ending? Well, I would not be surprised if there's another matrix movie (or 10) coming our way. All in all, great movie, not as good as the 1st but I don't think that's possible.

Mark
11-06-2003, 12:43 AM
IT.WAS.AMAZING!

Just got back, and I'm speechless. My friend and I were walking out of the movie going "holy sh*t!", with grins up to our ears. The ending = brilliant, the action = amazing, the CGI was the best I've ever seen. The way they tied up almost all lose ends (;)) and helped viewers understand more about the philosophy of the Matrix was ingenious. numerous fight scenes, guns, blood, amazing acting, and an amazing storyline all compile together to become quite possibly the greatest movie I've ever seen. Tied with Matrix #1.

10/10, Perfect Movie.

Will
11-06-2003, 12:48 AM
Guys...

The Matrix, The Matrix Reloaded and The Matrix Revolutions are all one movie. The Matrix 2 is going to be an entirely different movie.

The Doctor
11-06-2003, 12:53 AM
Originally posted by Will@Nov 5 2003, 08:48 PM
Guys...

The Matrix, The Matrix Reloaded and The Matrix Revolutions are all one movie. The Matrix 2 is going to be an entirely different movie.
Ummm I dont think theyre planning to do another Matrix again. Matrix is supposed to be one movie, Reloaded and Revolutions are supposed to be one, so thats technically 2 movies.

Will
11-06-2003, 12:55 AM
Originally posted by DJ_Nate+Nov 5 2003, 08:53 PM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (DJ_Nate @ Nov 5 2003, 08:53 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> <!--QuoteBegin--Will@Nov 5 2003, 08:48 PM
Guys...

The Matrix, The Matrix Reloaded and The Matrix Revolutions are all one movie. The Matrix 2 is going to be an entirely different movie.
Ummm I dont think theyre planning to do another Matrix again. Matrix is supposed to be one movie, Reloaded and Revolutions are supposed to be one, so thats technically 2 movies. [/b][/quote]
No.

The Matrix, Reloaded, and Revolutions are all one movie. The Matrix 2 is supposed to be a separate movie that&#39;s coming out in a few years.

The Doctor
11-06-2003, 12:58 AM
Originally posted by Will+Nov 5 2003, 08:55 PM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (Will @ Nov 5 2003, 08:55 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'>
Originally posted by -DJ_Nate@Nov 5 2003, 08:53 PM
<!--QuoteBegin--Will@Nov 5 2003, 08:48 PM
Guys...

The Matrix, The Matrix Reloaded and The Matrix Revolutions are all one movie. The Matrix 2 is going to be an entirely different movie.
Ummm I dont think theyre planning to do another Matrix again. Matrix is supposed to be one movie, Reloaded and Revolutions are supposed to be one, so thats technically 2 movies.
No.

The Matrix, Reloaded, and Revolutions are all one movie. The Matrix 2 is supposed to be a separate movie that&#39;s coming out in a few years. [/b][/quote]
I really dont think so because I always look for Matrix stuff and I never heard of that before.....

Will
11-06-2003, 01:00 AM
Originally posted by DJ_Nate+Nov 5 2003, 08:58 PM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (DJ_Nate @ Nov 5 2003, 08:58 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'>
Originally posted by -Will@Nov 5 2003, 08:55 PM

Originally posted by -DJ_Nate@Nov 5 2003, 08:53 PM
<!--QuoteBegin--Will@Nov 5 2003, 08:48 PM
Guys...

The Matrix, The Matrix Reloaded and The Matrix Revolutions are all one movie. The Matrix 2 is going to be an entirely different movie.
Ummm I dont think theyre planning to do another Matrix again. Matrix is supposed to be one movie, Reloaded and Revolutions are supposed to be one, so thats technically 2 movies.
No.

The Matrix, Reloaded, and Revolutions are all one movie. The Matrix 2 is supposed to be a separate movie that&#39;s coming out in a few years.
I really dont think so because I always look for Matrix stuff and I never heard of that before..... [/b][/quote]
Trust me. I read about it on the internet a few months back.

Plus, I have a friend who&#39;s a complete Matrix-freak. He knows everything there is to know and is always up to date on all things Matrix, and he knows for a fact that what I just said is true. :)

The Doctor
11-06-2003, 01:02 AM
Originally posted by Will+Nov 5 2003, 09:00 PM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (Will @ Nov 5 2003, 09:00 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'>
Originally posted by -DJ_Nate@Nov 5 2003, 08:58 PM

Originally posted by -Will@Nov 5 2003, 08:55 PM

Originally posted by -DJ_Nate@Nov 5 2003, 08:53 PM
<!--QuoteBegin--Will@Nov 5 2003, 08:48 PM
Guys...

The Matrix, The Matrix Reloaded and The Matrix Revolutions are all one movie. The Matrix 2 is going to be an entirely different movie.
Ummm I dont think theyre planning to do another Matrix again. Matrix is supposed to be one movie, Reloaded and Revolutions are supposed to be one, so thats technically 2 movies.
No.

The Matrix, Reloaded, and Revolutions are all one movie. The Matrix 2 is supposed to be a separate movie that&#39;s coming out in a few years.
I really dont think so because I always look for Matrix stuff and I never heard of that before.....
Trust me. I read about it on the internet a few months back.

Plus, I have a friend who&#39;s a complete Matrix-freak. He knows everything there is to know and is always up to date on all things Matrix, and he knows for a fact that what I just said is true. :) [/b][/quote]
Hmmm...interesting.....*runs away and searches for information*

Mark
11-06-2003, 01:25 AM
Originally posted by Will@Nov 5 2003, 10:18 PM
Guys...

The Matrix, The Matrix Reloaded and The Matrix Revolutions are all one movie. The Matrix 2 is going to be an entirely different movie.
I haven&#39;t heard of that, :lol:

MatrixFans.net would have info on it, but they don&#39;t. Basically there&#39;s 3 movies in the trilogy, so people instinctively call them #1, #2 and #3.

Will
11-06-2003, 01:26 AM
Originally posted by LPFAN05+Nov 5 2003, 09:25 PM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (LPFAN05 @ Nov 5 2003, 09:25 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> <!--QuoteBegin--Will@Nov 5 2003, 10:18 PM
Guys...

The Matrix, The Matrix Reloaded and The Matrix Revolutions are all one movie. The Matrix 2 is going to be an entirely different movie.
I haven&#39;t heard of that, :lol:

MatrixFans.net would have info on it, but they don&#39;t. Basically there&#39;s 3 movies in the trilogy, so people instinctively call them #1, #2 and #3. [/b][/quote]
Yeah.

But it&#39;s part one, part two, and part three.

The Matrix 2 is going to be the true sequel.

Mcnasty
11-06-2003, 01:59 AM
Originally posted by Will+Nov 6 2003, 02:26 AM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (Will @ Nov 6 2003, 02:26 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'>
Originally posted by -LPFAN05@Nov 5 2003, 09:25 PM
<!--QuoteBegin--Will@Nov 5 2003, 10:18 PM
Guys...

The Matrix, The Matrix Reloaded and The Matrix Revolutions are all one movie. The Matrix 2 is going to be an entirely different movie.
I haven&#39;t heard of that, :lol:

MatrixFans.net would have info on it, but they don&#39;t. Basically there&#39;s 3 movies in the trilogy, so people instinctively call them #1, #2 and #3.
Yeah.

But it&#39;s part one, part two, and part three.

The Matrix 2 is going to be the true sequel. [/b][/quote]
Will I understand what your saying but I dont think any of it is true. Iv seen interviews of the Matrix directors/writers and they both said that after Revolutions there never making another Matrix movie again. Matrix is its own movie and Reloaded and Revolutions are each one movie. All three movies arnt one BIG movie even though Reloaded leads into Revolutions. Thats like saying Back to the Future is one big movie even though its a Trilogy or saying all 6 Star Wars movies are one big movie. Me and my friends are obsesed with the Matrix and we&#39;ve never heard or read that Matrix, Reloaded and Revolutions are one big movie and even though Revolutions could lead in to another Matrix movie, I think that would be very stupid and as I said before the two brothers who made the movie already said they would never make another one after this one. You could be right though but there is no way in hell I would beleave that inless I saw those words coming out of one of the directors mouths.

[EDIT] I would convince me if you had some proof on this though.

Ander
11-06-2003, 02:58 AM
:lol: this is funny. you guys are lost :P
The Matrix - 1 individual movie
The Matrix Reloaded - was supposed to be one big movie along with The Matrix Revolutions, but it would run well over 4 hours if they to get the loose ends tied up. So, they split the one movie into two parts (reloaded and revolutions), creating the perfect cliffhanger (one movie ends right where the next movie begins). :)

RiverJudeAlexander
11-06-2003, 08:18 AM
it was good.

The Doctor
11-06-2003, 10:42 AM
Originally posted by superxero88@Nov 5 2003, 10:58 PM
:lol: this is funny. you guys are lost :P
The Matrix - 1 individual movie
The Matrix Reloaded - was supposed to be one big movie along with The Matrix Revolutions, but it would run well over 4 hours if they to get the loose ends tied up. So, they split the one movie into two parts (reloaded and revolutions), creating the perfect cliffhanger (one movie ends right where the next movie begins). :)
I already said that......





and I think Mcnasty&#39;s right. I never once heard of anything about a "sequel"

Shade
11-06-2003, 12:28 PM
this is funny. you guys are lost
The Matrix - 1 individual movie
The Matrix Reloaded - was supposed to be one big movie along with The Matrix Revolutions, but it would run well over 4 hours if they to get the loose ends tied up. So, they split the one movie into two parts (reloaded and revolutions), creating the perfect cliffhanger (one movie ends right where the next movie begins).

That is correct. I do agree with Will however that there will be another Matrix movie. If you look at the ending with the whole oracle/architect scene where "Just how long do you think this peace is going to last?" thing, you cannot tell me that is not a fool-proof line into another movie. Perhaps there will not be, and I&#39;m not sure thats a bad thing, but my bets are on the table for another movie.

Neil
11-06-2003, 06:16 PM
I saw it last night... and I think it was horrible. Way too much Star Wars rip off CGI. Too little Matrix fighting action. I didn&#39;t like it at all :(. They could have made a much better 3rd movie and explain everything. I think that because they made Reloaded and Revolutions at the same time, they got tired and just half-assed it. The movie was too overworked and looked too fake. The only cool parts were the part with the dudes running on the ceiling and the part where he punches Smith through the rain. I wanted to see a crazy ending, instead I got 45 mins of Star Wars junk :argh:

Mark
11-06-2003, 06:41 PM
Originally posted by Neil@Nov 6 2003, 03:46 PM
I saw it last night... and I think it was horrible. Way too much Star Wars rip off CGI. Too little Matrix fighting action. I didn&#39;t like it at all :(. They could have made a much better 3rd movie and explain everything. I think that because they made Reloaded and Revolutions at the same time, they got tired and just half-assed it. The movie was too overworked and looked too fake. The only cool parts were the part with the dudes running on the ceiling and the part where he punches Smith through the rain. I wanted to see a crazy ending, instead I got 45 mins of Star Wars junk :argh:
If you had listened you would&#39;ve noticed that they tie up alot of loose ends. They only left one big one open, and that could lead into another movie. I can see that you don&#39;t like Star Wars very much, but the robots and the way they controlled them was very cool and very well done. I haven&#39;t seen 250,000 swarming machines going in every direction in any movies before, and it was incredibly well made. It was totally original.

Star Wars has lasers, space and ships, Matrix has bullets, those robots they were controlling, flying machines and it lookeed way better than anything you can compare Star Wars to. :lol: Evaluate the movie on what it is, don&#39;t compare it.

Will
11-06-2003, 07:12 PM
Hm.

I had a lot on my mind last night, so when I was posting, I guess I wasn&#39;t paying attention.

Yeah, The Matrix is one movie and The Matrix Reloaded and The Matrix Revolutions are another movie. But, I still read about there being a "Matrix 2" that is the true sequel. The Matrix is part one and The Matrix Reloaded and Revolutions is part two. If I wasn&#39;t lazy, I&#39;d try to find the article. Or I&#39;d just have my friend come here, but he doesn&#39;t have a computer.

Mcnasty
11-06-2003, 11:10 PM
Yes I guess there might be a Matrix 2 becouse the Oracle did say to the little gurl that this wouldnt be the last time we see Neo and we all know shes always right and knows every thing and the other guy, the Architect did ask the question how long will this "peace" really last. So I guess there could be Matrix 2 with Neo coming back and a war starting up with the machines and humnas but I still saw the to writers/directors of the movie say they would never make another Matrix movie again but I guess another Director could make a spin off. AND STAR WARS IS KOOL AND I LOVE IT :D

Ander
11-06-2003, 11:30 PM
i hope joel silver and the brothers keep it as 3. i like it as three. When star wars ended in the early 80s, they all wanted to know what happens after the last movie, so they read books. When the matrix ended in 2003, everyone wants to know what happens after revolutions, we dont want books, we want a never ending, massive multiplayer online role playing game... (http://thematrixonline.warnerbros.com/) B)

Mcnasty
11-07-2003, 12:05 AM
Originally posted by superxero88@Nov 7 2003, 12:30 AM
i hope joel silver and the brothers keep it as 3. i like it as three. When star wars ended in the early 80s, they all wanted to know what happens after the last movie, so they read books. When the matrix ended in 2003, everyone wants to know what happens after revolutions, we dont want books, we want a never ending, massive multiplayer online role playing game... (http://thematrixonline.warnerbros.com/) B)
OMG IAM GOING CRAZY :o THANK YOU FOR THIS NEWS (w00t)

tkd_rap
11-07-2003, 01:40 PM
sorry, i forgot, any way, it was good, but not as good as 1, it was better than 2

Neil
11-07-2003, 03:04 PM
lpfan05 (I forget your name right now d&#39;oh)

They could have done a much better job, in my opinion. Matrix was made popular by its crazy bullet time and kung fu action. The final, which was supposed to be crazy, turned out to be nothing like it&#39;s predecessors. It was a sci fi space movie(minus the space). That wasn&#39;t what we want to see, we want to see awesome action scenes like the Highway scene in Reloaded, not some pseudo-mechwarrior suits shooting at sentinels for 45 minutes. Although, it did tie up some loose ends, there had better be another movie, because to use this as a final, kind of ruins it.

Don&#39;t think that I&#39;m badmouthing Matrix at all, or that I don&#39;t like it. I was really into the 1st and Reloaded. This was a bit of a let-down:(. Unless, of course there is another movie - then this wouldn&#39;t be so bad

Mark
11-07-2003, 06:13 PM
Originally posted by tkd_rap@Nov 7 2003, 11:10 AM
Removed. He said NO SPOILERS&#33;

Anyways Neil, I can see what you mean. But that&#39;s exactly what I wanted in the movie. You may want some more of the same thing from the other 2 movies but the departure was a good move because you don&#39;t want 3 movies that look like they&#39;re copying right after one another. I think the Smith vs Neo fight was amazing, as well as the Machines vs Soldiers of Zion battle scene.

And my name&#39;s, Mark. ;)

Neil
11-07-2003, 06:30 PM
Originally posted by LPFAN05@Nov 7 2003, 02:13 PM
And my name&#39;s, Mark. ;)
Damnit&#33; I knew it, I just wasn&#39;t quite sure. But I suppose that&#39;s right, but they could have balanced the Zion fight with some more fighting.

Phantom Duck
11-08-2003, 06:57 PM
M3 was SOOOOOOO fantastic.
My only comlaint is that the was minor Bullet-time in this one.
Oh well, though there&#39;s supposed to be no sequel to it...
Dou think Warner is so dumb to let so much money go past its nose?

tkd_rap
11-09-2003, 02:42 AM
Hey man here is how it goes for me.....................

Matrix 9.5
Matrix reloaded 7.8
Matrix revolutions 8.7

matrix bad stuff&#33; The whole unhooking from the matrix was a little weird, umm, that’s it. good stuff everything about it...I could go on and on and on, how it revolutionized movie making and is to this day still being coped on TV and cinema.

matrix reloaded bad stuff could have been better with, better acting, it was very poor from the new characters introduced, cept Merovingian, seraph, and the sex scene was uncalled for, poorly done, and showed neos butt, don’t want to see that thank you&#33;&#33;&#33;good stuff better story, way tighter action scenes, and a good chock at the end.

matrix revolutions good stuff had a great ending, best fight scenes ever, sad sad parts were well done, and acting has improved. the new stuff they brought in was great, train man, I could go on....bad stuff some stuff is left to you to decide, and some answers never given, first 30 minutes lacked, once you get to Bane and neo trin it looks up&#33;

Hybrid Soldier
11-09-2003, 04:14 AM
i read somewhere on cinecon.com that at an interview, some person said that there wont be a matrix 4. i&#39;ll try to find that article.

Ander
11-09-2003, 06:49 AM
i just saw it again. :mellow: its amazing.

Mcnasty
11-09-2003, 02:23 PM
Iam going to see the moive again 2day :D and the reason for less bullet time in M3 is because most of the time there in the real world.

tkd_rap
11-10-2003, 08:50 PM
Originally posted by Hybrid Soldier@Nov 9 2003, 05:14 AM
i read somewhere on cinecon.com that at an interview, some person said that there wont be a matrix 4. i&#39;ll try to find that article.
please do, i would love nothen more than another matrix&#33;&#33;&#33;&#33;&#33;

Hybrid Soldier
11-10-2003, 09:29 PM
:(
Matrix 4 (http://www.cinecon.com/news.php?id=0310299)

tkd_rap
11-10-2003, 09:39 PM
whats up?

Mark
11-10-2003, 09:44 PM
Matrix Revolutions set a world record with &#036;204 Million dollars made worldwide in it&#39;s first week. They beat The Two Towers&#39; record of &#036;188 Million in it&#39;s first week. That&#39;s just insane.

Ander
11-10-2003, 10:36 PM
Originally posted by LPFAN05@Nov 10 2003, 02:44 PM
Matrix Revolutions set a world record with &#036;204 Million dollars made worldwide in it&#39;s first week. They beat The Two Towers&#39; record of &#036;188 Million in it&#39;s first week. That&#39;s just insane.
muahahahah :lol: take that middle-earth&#33; kicked your record&#39;s ass in bullet time&#33; :P It was inevertible
:rolleyes:

Mcnasty
11-10-2003, 11:11 PM
Originally posted by LPFAN05@Nov 10 2003, 10:44 PM
Matrix Revolutions set a world record with &#036;204 Million dollars made worldwide in it&#39;s first week. They beat The Two Towers&#39; record of &#036;188 Million in it&#39;s first week. That&#39;s just insane.
It was 5 days not a full week, I just saw it on the news. So it will probably gross more than that for the first week making HISTORY :D but Episode 3 will rip everything up :P

Cal
11-10-2003, 11:35 PM
i seen it today, simply amazing (w00t)

Hybrid Soldier
11-11-2003, 02:23 AM
Originally posted by tkd_rap@Nov 10 2003, 04:39 PM
whats up?
click on that link. there&#39;s not going to be a matrix 4.

Mcnasty
11-11-2003, 02:54 AM
Yea like I&#39;ve been saying there isnt but nobody listens to me :(..... :D

walnut03
11-11-2003, 03:59 AM
I saw the matrix revolutions , a great film to my suprise it really delivered a great ending. The fight scene with neo and smith in the rain is very well done, the best so far. you can take your kids to this one very light on the blood, and the battle in zion will keep you guessing. :shifty:

Mark
11-11-2003, 04:18 AM
you can post replies in the topics, you don&#39;t need to make a new topic. :lol:. simply click "add reply" when reading in a topic instead of "new topic".

i&#39;ll merge.

welcoem to the forums&#33; read the rules and have a fun time posting&#33;

Nikki
11-11-2003, 11:08 AM
I&#39;ve heard a lot of people dislike this film, purely because they don&#39;t understand it. When I first saw it, I only understood a few things, but after reading this I just had to see it again, purely so I could say "ahhhh I know why that happens now"

Anyway...this will contain heavy spoilers...so highlight it to read it:


Neo is a machine, kinda. He is a human with enhanced genetics, enhanced implants, and a machine programmed mind (probably based on a "The One" template program). That&#39;s why, at the end of Revolutions, when his body is being taken away, he is shown as an orange glow. The orange glow is how the machines see each other, and therefore how they see Neo. It is also how Neo sees Smith inside Bane... he is seeing the machine program of Smith inside Bane&#39;s mind, and therefore it is an orange glow in the shape of the Smith.

But the orange glow isn&#39;t the only reason to believe Neo is a machine. Throughout the trilogy other hints are given, such as: "His neural kinetics are way above normal.", "He&#39;s a machine.", "Your five predecessors were by design based on a similar predication...", etc.

So if Neo is a machine, why was he created (as all machines must have a purpose)? He was created by the Oracle and the Architect to be The One. As the Architect explains to him: "Your life is the sum of a remainder of an unbalanced equation inherent to the programming of the Matrix... Your five predecessors were by design based on a similar predication, a contingent affirmation that was meant to create a profound attachment to the rest of your species, facilitating the function of The One... The function of The One is now to return to the Source, allowing a temporary dissemination of the code you carry, reinserting the prime program."

Translated, the Architect is explaining that Neo was designed to be a religious figure to the freed humans, thus causing them to put their faith (hope) in Neo and to rally around him ("...sum of a remainder..."). This helps to ensure that the freed humans are focused on Neo instead of war, and to keep them all together in one place, Zion (which was built by the machines for this purpose also). Neo is a form of control in the real world.

And just to make sure that Neo carries out his part of their plan, the machines programmed him with "... a contingent affirmation that was meant to create a profound attachment to the [humans]." This, along with his enhanced abilities and the "guidance" of the Oracle, keeps him on the intended course.

The Architect also states that "The function of The One is now to return to the Source, allowing a temporary dissemination of the code you carry, reinserting the prime program." This simply means that The One program in Neo&#39;s mind is the most important (prime) program in the Matrix, and that now that his mission (purpose) is complete, he must return to the source for deletion (all machines must have a purpose). The phrase "... temporary dissemination..." means that the The One program will be used again in the next version of the Matrix. This is also why Neo&#39;s choice of the left door will destroy the Matrix, as there can be only one The One in the Matrix at any time. By staying in the Matrix Neo is preventing it from being reloaded, as a reload will do nothing without another The One for the next version. (In programming terms he is the highest priority task, and he will not release the Matrix program&#39;s main semaphore.)

OK, so The One is a human with enhanced genetics, enhanced implants, and a machine programmed mind, and was created by the Oracle and the Architect to carry out a specific purpose (form of control in and out of the Matrix) in each iteration of the Matrix. Now let&#39;s see how The One fits in with the entire story of the trilogy.

As is explained, the Matrix was created by the Architect, at the end of the war with the humans, as a way to control the humans and use them as a power source (I know, hard to believe...). The first Matrix was "... quite naturally perfect, it was a work of art, flawless, sublime.", while the second Matrix was redesigned "... to more accurately reflect the varying grotesqueries of your nature." Basically Heaven and then Hell. In both cases, however, no conscious choice was given to the humans as to whether or not they wanted to believe in the reality of the Matrix. This caused the majority of humans to reject the Matrix and die ("... whole crops were lost.").

To solve this problem the Oracle was created, and realized correctly that the humans needed to be given a choice: "Thus, the answer was stumbled upon by another, an intuitive program, initially created to investigate certain aspects of the human psyche... she stumbled upon a solution whereby nearly 99.9% of all test subjects accepted the program, as long as they were given a choice, even if they were only aware of the choice at a near unconscious level." So by giving humans a choice, even at an unconscious level that only 0.1% are ever aware of, they accepted the Matrix.

Unfortunately for the machines, however, a majority of the 0.1% who were aware of the choice usually chose the real world over the Matrix. "While this answer functioned, it was obviously fundamentally flawed, thus creating the otherwise contradictory systemic anomaly, that if left unchecked might threaten the system itself. Ergo, those that refused the program, while a minority, if unchecked, would constitute an escalating probability of disaster." The machines therefore also needed a way to control the 0.1% of the humans who chose the real world over the Matrix, thus Zion and The One were created.

As was explained earlier, Zion was built by the machines to ensure that the freed humans would all gather in one place, and The One was created to be their religious figure, helping to distract them from renewed war with the machines. Both forms of control.

But even with Zion and The One, the unpredictability of choice ("systemic anomoly") still forced the machines to occasionally "reload" the Matrix. This always occurs when The One reaches the Source, which he can only do after attaining the level of power necessary for him to defeat the Merovingian, obtain the Keymaker, etc. The One program is then temporarily reinserted into the Source (machine mainframe), in preparation for the next iteration of the Matrix. In the process the machines gain the knowledge and experiences of The One, allowing them to better predict the future behavior of the humans, and thus reduce the systemic anomolies.

So that is the situation at the start of the sixth iteration of the choice-Matrix. Luckily for the humans, however, the Oracle does not want them to be enslaved in the Matrix any longer, or for the freed humans to be killed. She therefore decides to take a risk and use Neo to bring about a "revolution".

In M1 (The Matrix) she meets with The One, Neo, as she has done in the five previous iterations of the Matrix. Normally she simply helps guide The One to his meeting with the Architect. Except this time the Oracle gives Neo a special cookie, which he eats. The cookie isn&#39;t actually a cookie, though, it&#39;s an upgrade to Neo&#39;s program. Since the Oracle created the The One program, she can predict exactly what Neo will do in the future, specifically how he will destroy Smith (from the inside, with some copying from Neo to Smith occuring). She therefore includes in the program upgrade code that will give Smith the ability to replicate himself, and for Neo and Smith to see the future as she does.

In M2 (The Matrix Reloaded) Neo plays out his role as The One, meeting with the Architect. However, due to his love for Trinity he chooses the left door, preventing the Matrix from reloading. This was seen in advance by the Oracle, as she has the ability to predict Neo&#39;s behavior (as explained above) as well as human behavior in general (due to the nature of her program). She therefore told Trinity that she would fall in love with Neo (in M1), all the while knowing it would eventually cause Neo to choose the left door.

In M3 (The Matrix Revolutions) the Oracle&#39;s plan comes to fruition. While the machines begin their assualt on Zion (for the sixth time), Smith continues to replicate himself throughout the Matrix. Neo, on the otherhand, is stuck in the train station. Apparently, fulfilling his mission to meet with the Architect unlocks some section of his program that allows Neo to use his enhanced implants to once again become part of the machine collective (perhaps because of the Oracle&#39;s upgrade?). He is therefore able to sense and control other machines wirelessly. The first example of this is when he stops the sentinels at the end of M2. Since he is not quite ready to use his new abilities, however, his program gets stuck at the security checkpoint of the Matrix, the train station.

In the train station Neo meets with Rama Kandra, his wife, and their daughter Sati. Rama and his wife are both machines from the real world who can jack into the Matrix, like all other machines, and live human lives. Sati is a program created by these two machines out of love, which Rama explains to Neo is not out of the grasp of the machines. They are on their way back into the Matrix to leave Sati with the Oracle for safe keeping, as any program without a purpose is deleted.

After being rescued from the train station by Trinity, Morpheus, and Seraph, Neo is helped out of the Matrix using the standard jack. While aboard the Hammer he has another vision of the future, this time of the three power lines leading from the Matrix power station to 01, the machine city (he is able to see the power lines due to his newfound connection to the machine collective). He therefore takes the Logos, along with Trinity, and leaves for 01. Along the way he confronts the stowaway Bane (who has the Smith program inside of him), and is blinded by him. Although blind, Neo is still able to see other machines (orange glow), including the Smith program inside Bane, which he uses to defeat Bane. He also uses his power to control other machines to detonate the bombs fired at the Logos by the 01 defenses.

Meanwhile Smith is replicating out of control in the Matrix, and eventually confronts the Oracle after taking over Seraph and Sati. They have a brief conversation in which he calls her "Mom", referring to the fact that she helped to create him (along with the Architect) as well as Neo (part of his program now). The Oracle then tells Smith to "Do what you came here to do.", so he takes over her as well. The newly formed Smith then stands up and laughs hysterically, foreshadowing the events at the end of the movie.

Eventually the Logos crashes in 01, but not before Neo gets a top-down view of the orange glowing city with his newfound machine-vision (notice the fractal patterns). Unfortunately Trinity is killed in the crash, and explains to Neo that both of them have been living on borrowed time. Neo since he was ressurected by Trinity, and Trinity since she was ressurected by Neo. Both are meant to die and Trinity is simply happy for the oportunity this time to tell Neo how she feels about him. (But shame on the brothers for killing off Trinity in such a lame way. Couldn&#39;t she have at least died trying to save the ship, not just letting it crash&#33;)

Neo then leaves the Logos and enters the machine building into which it crashed (the building is seen in the same orange glowing machine-vision). He is then confronted by the Deus Ex Machina, who knows that Neo is the only one who can stop Smith from destroying the Matrix, but still shows hatred toward Neo (due to the fact that he is mostly human). After a show of force, the Deus Ex Machina agrees to peace with the humans in exchange for Neo&#39;s promise to destroy Smith. This causes the sentinels to halt their attack on the Zion temple, the last holdout of the remaining humans (the dock and city have already been destroyed).

The machines then jack Neo into the Matrix, since he has not yet masterred the ability to do so wirelessly (this theme of Neo having to learn to use his new abilities runs throughout the trilogy). Neo then confronts Smith, who says he has seen the future, and that he (the one particular Smith) is the one that defeats Neo. The other Smiths (all of the other people in the Matrix have now been taken over by him) therefore only watch as the fight begins.

After a brutal battle Neo is near defeat, but continues to fight. When asked why he does so, Neo responds "Because I choose to.", echoing the theme in M2 that "Everything begins with choice." (the only way humans achieve true freedom). But even though he delivers a stunning punch to Smith which sends him through the ground, Neo is eventually defeated. Before Smith takes him over he pauses, however, realizing that he has seen this very moment in his visions, and he already knows what he is going to say. "Everything that has a beginning has an end..." he mutters confusedly. This causes Neo to realize that the Oracle still exists somewhere inside of Smith, and that she is partially able to control his thoughts. Taking his cue from the Oracle, Neo freely gives himself to Smith.

Thus Neo is defeated, and Smith&#39;s original purpose, to defeat The One (which he is never really expected to achieve, which leads to his bad temperment) is accomplished. Smith therefore no longer has a purpose and must be deleted. But since programs marked for deletion must return to the source, how is Smith to be deleted? Simple, the machines send the command through Neo, into Smith, using a burst of energy. This causes all of the Smith clones, and the original Smith, to be deleted, leaving the original inhabitants of the bodies he has taken over (this is a basic function of the agent programs, that they leave their hosts as they found them, with death being the only exception).

This then completes another revolution in the Matrix cycle, as The One has reached the Source and has reinserted the prime program (Neo&#39;s program, his knowledge and experiences). The Matrix is then reloaded back to it&#39;s initial state, the late 20th century.

The Oracle then meets with Sati, Seraph, and the Architect in a park outside the city as the sun rises over it. The Architect tells her that she was playing a "very risky game", and she asks him if he will honor the promise of peace. He says that he will, since he is not human (meaning humans do not keep their promises, an insult). This means that those people who unconsciously become aware of the Matrix and choose to leave will be freed, and those living in Zion will not be killed. The war between man and machine is over, or at least suspended.

Looking upon the sunrise the Oracle asks Sati if that was her doing, and the girl responds that she did it for Neo (made the sun rise). Apparently Neo&#39;s experience with love, which was uploaded from him to the Source, caused the machines to show pity on Sati and give her a purpose instead of deleting her. She is now in control of the sun. Sati also asks the Oracle if they will ever see Neo again, and the Oracle replies that they might, indicating that the The One program will be used again in the future, as it had been for the previous six iterations of the Matrix. M3 therefore ends where M1 began, except that now the humans who become aware of the Matrix will be freed (a decent compromise if you ask me).

Whew, done&#33; Hopefully this helped those of you who were confused like me after seeing M3 for the first time. I know that I am not 100% correct in what I&#39;ve said here (perhaps only 50%), but it&#39;s a nice starting point. Maybe others can build on it to make it even more correct and useful. Thanks for reading&#33;
(taken straight from the almighty Lex ;P)

Understand it yet?

The Doctor
11-11-2003, 11:41 AM
Wow that makes so much more sense to me now

Cal
11-11-2003, 12:05 PM
im gonna put this question in white, because it has spoilers, can someone answer it in white


ok, u see the oracle in the ditch, i dont really understand it
+ the oracle says at the end you&#39;ll most likely see neo again, yet the directer say there wont be a matrix 4

The Doctor
11-11-2003, 01:17 PM
I think they did it as a good suspenseful strategy......leave the audience wondering forever.

Nikki
11-11-2003, 01:31 PM
Fred Durst, here&#39;s your answer:

Although there will be no sequel - The Oracle says that they might see Neo again - this is because of the "The One" program will be used again, will meet with the oracle and start another cycle in the Matrix.

Hope you can get your head around that =P

Cal
11-11-2003, 03:39 PM
ah i understand now :D

the 3 movies seem so much better when u understand it

Hybrid Soldier
11-11-2003, 03:42 PM
um how do u type in white? :blush:

skyline007
11-11-2003, 04:43 PM
it&#39;s a nice movie but i like the first one en reloaded more.

Mark
11-11-2003, 04:44 PM
Originally posted by Fred Durst@Nov 11 2003, 09:35 AM
im gonna put this question in white, because it has spoilers, can someone answer it in white


ok, u see the oracle in the ditch, i dont really understand it
+ the oracle says at the end you&#39;ll most likely see neo again, yet the directer say there wont be a matrix 4
and I&#39;ll add: remember when Smith came into the Oracle&#39;s kitchen and took her over? also remember when she said "everything that has a beginnning has an end"? smith said this when he was fighting with Neo, almost giving Neo a hint that he was fighting the Smith that took over the Oracle. Neo then knew that the Oracle had some control of Smith and trusted Smith to duplicate himself onto Neo. Neo reversed the code, ta-da&#33;

Hybrid Soldier:
&#91;color=white&#93;stuff here&#91;/color&#93;

tkd_rap
11-11-2003, 04:45 PM
like this, [ color= white ] then enter whatever text here, then when you are done do this [/color ] without that space, and you get this hi i like colors&#33;&#33;&#33;&#33; any way to the matrix, thats awsome, loved that little post, now i understand it alll&#33;~&#33;&#33;&#33;&#33;&#33;&#33;&#33;&#33;&#33;&#33;~&#33;&#33;&#33;~&#33;&#33;&#33;~&#33;&#33;&#33;~&#33;&#33;&#33; thats cool, no more ¿¿¿???¿¿¿ for me&#33; SPOILERS&#33; HIGHLIGHT&#33; cept neo is dead, i think when the oricle says, to the girl, yeah we will most likely see him again, i think she means mr. anderson neo, not another neo or "THE ONE", becuase the girl wants to see this neo, not some one else, this neo is the one she talked to at the train station, so, another neo wouldnt even know her, she wants to see reeves charictor

Hybrid Soldier
11-11-2003, 07:15 PM
I thought that Sati was able to change the sunrise because she was the person Morpheus talked about in M1 who would be born inside the matrix and is able to do watever he pleased.

Nikki
11-11-2003, 07:18 PM
That was Neo (I think) :P

Ander
11-11-2003, 07:38 PM
Originally posted by Hybrid Soldier@Nov 11 2003, 12:15 PM
I thought that Sati was able to change the sunrise because she was the person Morpheus talked about in M1 who would be born inside the matrix and is able to do watever he pleased.
lol. sati is a female though :P

Mcnasty
11-11-2003, 10:39 PM
Sati is a program dont you guys understand :mellow: me and my friend are like Matrix freaks and we understood everything about each movie, so if you have any questions please ask me :D I like to answer stuff and it would be a pleasure :D

Cal
11-11-2003, 11:18 PM
quick&#33; edit your post&#33;

the spoilers&#33;


nooo&#33;

Mcnasty
11-11-2003, 11:24 PM
Originally posted by Mr. Fred@Nov 12 2003, 12:18 AM
quick&#33; edit your post&#33;

the spoilers&#33;


nooo&#33;
could one of the admins edit it for me after iam done and if not ill try to put it all in white some how and sorry for double posting.

Cal
11-11-2003, 11:26 PM
u cant select white, u gotta do this, pick any colour, and the start of the tag should be [COLOR=red] ect, rename it so its [COLOR=white]

Ander
11-11-2003, 11:40 PM
Originally posted by Mcnasty@Nov 11 2003, 04:11 PM
NOT DONE YET PRESSED ENTER BY MISTAKE SORRY FOR DOUBLE POSTING IT WAS BY MISTAKE.
you should put that at the begining. :P

Mcnasty
11-11-2003, 11:45 PM
HIGH LIGHT TO READ.


ok, u see the oracle in the ditch, i dont really understand it
+ the oracle says at the end you&#39;ll most likely see neo again, yet the directer say there wont be a matrix 4

Yes there wont be a Matrix 4 and you probably will see Neo again if there was one because Neo isnt really dead :D yes you see him being carried away by the robots and hes not breathing but how many times have you seen somebody dead in the 3 movies :o like every one, just because he isnt breathing doesnt really mean hes dead now does it and just think about how advanced the Machines are you think they couldnt revive him and remember the Oracle is is always right so you will see him again if there was M4.


Although there will be no sequel - The Oracle says that they might see Neo again - this is because of the "The One" program will be used again, will meet with the oracle and start another cycle in the Matrix.

I dont think there can be another cycle of "The One" because since the humans and the machines have made peace the machines have to let all the humans go that are in the Matrix because thats what the Architect told the Oracle, and "The One" Neo is still "alive" now. I guess the machines and the humans will work together to fix the sky.


remember when Smith came into the Oracle&#39;s kitchen and took her over? also remember when she said "everything that has a beginnning has an end"? smith said this when he was fighting with Neo, almost giving Neo a hint that he was fighting the Smith that took over the Oracle. Neo then knew that the Oracle had some control of Smith and trusted Smith to duplicate himself onto Neo. Neo reversed the code, ta-da&#33;

Smith wanted the Oracles eyes becouse with them you can see what happens and basically know everything so Smith got them and saw everything except his own death :D Neo didnt know that Smith took over the Oracle untill Smith "QUOTED" what the Oracle said and after that Neo knew what was going on so he let Smith take him over and Neo was soooo different from everybody else Smith couldnt fully take him over like everybody else so that F**Ked up everything and bye bye Smith but Neo still could of assumed Smith took the Oracle over when he saw the whole Matrix was Smith.


cept neo is dead, i think when the oricle says, to the girl, yeah we will most likely see him again, i think she means mr. anderson neo, not another neo or "THE ONE", becuase the girl wants to see this neo, not some one else, this neo is the one she talked to at the train station, so, another neo wouldnt even know her, she wants to see reeves charictor

Exactly and Neo is "ALIVE"


I thought that Sati was able to change the sunrise because she was the person Morpheus talked about in M1 who would be born inside the matrix and is able to do watever he pleased.

Sati is just a Program like the Oracle. She isnt another "ONE" just a program. Her job is the sun rise and sun set and another little girl or boy program could control the wind or the birds or w.e.

I hope I answered most of your questions and if you have any other ones or you dont think Iam right at all I would love to debate with you peacefully :D but yea it would be a pleasure for more questions to come to little old me :D and sorry for the double post, Admins you can take the other one off like this, the one I didnt finsh if you want. I cant put the Quotes in white sorry.

Mark
11-11-2003, 11:49 PM
Watch it, Mcnasty&#33;

Mcnasty
11-11-2003, 11:51 PM
:( I dont know if your joking or not lol :mellow:

Ander
11-12-2003, 12:11 AM
Originally posted by Mcnasty@Nov 11 2003, 04:45 PM
I cant put the Quotes in white sorry.
Yes you can ^_^

Mcnasty
11-12-2003, 01:42 AM
Originally posted by superxero88+Nov 12 2003, 01:11 AM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (superxero88 @ Nov 12 2003, 01:11 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> <!--QuoteBegin--Mcnasty@Nov 11 2003, 04:45 PM
I cant put the Quotes in white sorry.
Yes you can ^_^ [/b][/quote]
I did :D

The Doctor
11-12-2003, 01:58 AM
Smith didnt want Oracle&#39;s eyes, Frenchman (cant remember his name) wanted them

Mcnasty
11-12-2003, 02:21 AM
Originally posted by DJ_Nate@Nov 12 2003, 02:58 AM
Smith didnt want Oracle&#39;s eyes, Frenchman (cant remember his name) wanted them
Yes he did because right after he took over the Oracle he took off his shades and started looking around and his eyes change. He could only get close to defeating Neo with the Oracles eyes no over way and am pretty positive that what he wanted because the Frenchman wanted them to. Its implied that he wants the eyes, next time I watch the movie I&#39;ll tell you exactly what happens.

The Doctor
11-12-2003, 02:23 AM
Originally posted by Mcnasty+Nov 11 2003, 10:21 PM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (Mcnasty @ Nov 11 2003, 10:21 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> <!--QuoteBegin--DJ_Nate@Nov 12 2003, 02:58 AM
Smith didnt want Oracle&#39;s eyes, Frenchman (cant remember his name) wanted them
Yes he did because right after he took over the Oracle he took off his shades and started looking around and his eyes change. He could only get close to defeating Neo with the Oracles eyes no over way and am pretty positive that what he wanted because the Frenchman wanted them to. Its implied that he wants the eyes, next time I watch the movie I&#39;ll tell you exactly what happens. [/b][/quote]
Well I JUST got home from watching it again and I didnt notice his eyes change....could be because im colorblind but whatever lol

Shade
11-12-2003, 12:28 PM
Exactly and Neo is "ALIVE"

Highlight to read

I have to completely disagree that Neo is alive. As explained by the architect and the oracle smith and neo are equal opposites, the two sides of an equation. If one dies, that side of the equation dies, and for the equation to remain equal, the other side must also die. Hence, if Smith is destroyed (which is fairly clear that he is) Neo must also be dead.

I&#39;m not sure I completely agree that when the Oracle says that she thinks they&#39;ll see Neo again that it means the Neo program will continued to be used. What&#39;s the point of having Neo anymore? Now if anyone wants to leave the Matrix, they can, what do they need neo for anymore?

Hybrid Soldier
11-12-2003, 05:32 PM
so are we saying that Neo is a.... program now? That&#39;s just messed up.

Nikki
11-12-2003, 07:17 PM
I dont think there can be another cycle of "The One" because since the humans and the machines have made peace the machines have to let all the humans go that are in the Matrix because thats what the Architect told the Oracle, and "The One" Neo is still "alive" now. I guess the machines and the humans will work together to fix the sky.


It&#39;s happened six times already - except this time: The Oracle had had enough of humans being trapped inside the Matrix, so she made Neo deliberatly take the left door (unlike the past five "The Ones") the machines will go on doing what they have done for so long - except now, any person that becomes aware of the Matrix will be freed. The humans will just go on being humans and gather the others that "wake up"

or something..

Kate
11-12-2003, 11:25 PM
haven&#39;t seen it yet, heard it sucks. like, the ending would be better if Neo and Smith went on a picnic and picked daisies.

Mark
11-12-2003, 11:39 PM
Originally posted by katethegreat@Nov 12 2003, 08:55 PM
haven&#39;t seen it yet, heard it sucks. like, the ending would be better if Neo and Smith went on a picnic and picked daisies.
don&#39;t knock it until you try it.

If you&#39;re just into the action, you&#39;ll like the action sequences, if you enjoy the philosophy behind the matrix, it&#39;s amazing.

User Name
11-13-2003, 12:59 AM
Originally posted by Hybrid Soldier@Nov 12 2003, 06:32 PM
so are we saying that Neo is a.... program now? That&#39;s just messed up.
Sort of, but not really. He was given implants in his body so that he would be able to preform better, as well as accept external programming (the cookie in the Matrix, for example).


the ending would be better if Neo and Smith went on a picnic and picked daisies.

:blink:

Hybrid Soldier
11-13-2003, 02:37 AM
he was given implants? :blink:

Ander
11-13-2003, 03:00 AM
Originally posted by Hybrid Soldier@Nov 12 2003, 07:37 PM
he was given implants? :blink:
all humans grown (i.e. not born in zion) in the machine fetus fields have implants.

User Name
11-13-2003, 04:35 AM
Go read the theory that Kat posted. I think it explains the whole idea of what I was trying to say a lot better.

Will
11-13-2003, 11:36 AM
LMFAO. That post was hilarious. :lol:

"He has implants?&#33; :blink:" :lol:&#33;

tkd_rap
11-13-2003, 12:25 PM
spoilers in white= but if neo had implants, would they short out in an emp blast?

Cal
11-13-2003, 02:48 PM
Originally posted by tkd_rap@Nov 13 2003, 02:25 PM
spoilers in white= but if neo had implants, would they short out in an emp blast?
like on an aeroplane? :lol:

Nikki
11-14-2003, 09:21 AM
I don&#39;t have a clue what implants you&#39;re on about - but the upgrades mostly came from the cookie that Neo ate in M1...

...or so I think anyway (check out that huge post that I can&#39;t be arsed linking back to).

Awesome, I&#39;ve started a trend in colourless posts <_>

Phantom Duck
11-14-2003, 09:24 AM
Originally posted by Katrina@Nov 14 2003, 10:21 AM
I don&#39;t have a clue what implants you&#39;re on about - but the upgrades mostly came from the cookie that Neo ate in M1...

...or so I think anyway (check out that huge post that I can&#39;t be arsed linking back to).

Awesome, I&#39;ve started a trend in colourless posts <_>
You sure have :lol:

Hybrid Soldier
11-14-2003, 05:36 PM
that cookie gave him extra power? wat the hell have i been eating?.......

Phantom Duck
11-14-2003, 06:55 PM
Originally posted by Hybrid Soldier@Nov 14 2003, 06:36 PM
that cookie gave him extra power? wat the hell have i been eating?.......
i think it enebled him to go forth and back to the real world

Chris
11-15-2003, 09:02 AM
well.. i saw this on a tv show and i thought, why don&#39;t i post it here :)




so.. let&#39;s pay some attention to some scenses of Matrix and Reloaded

1. when Neo is in the waitingroom for the Oracle you see a tv that&#39;s playing &#39;white bunny&#39;s&#39;.. so? well.. that&#39;s from Alice in Wonderland. Alice is also sleeping while she&#39;s in a other world.

2. The name &#39;Morphues&#39; is a god that is is the god over the sleeping and awaken people

3. the ship &#39;Nebucatneaser&#39; (or something, you know what i mean) is a guy that was asleep and god gave him a message to do something in his dream.

4. at the Highway scene in Matrix Reloaded you see a white truck.. so you&#39;ll think.. nice truck.. no&#33; at the side of it ( i have no idea what it says) that has something to do with Gulliver who was also asleep and was in the world of the big people


if this was confusing, i&#39;m sorry but i just wanted to post it :) i knew alot more but i forget it all.. if you know something more about the Matrix Trioligy.. please post it :)

Nikki
11-15-2003, 11:40 AM
I&#39;m gonna merge this with the other topic because it&#39;s sort of on the same lines <_>

Phantom Duck
11-15-2003, 02:45 PM
Originally posted by Chris@Nov 15 2003, 10:02 AM
well.. i saw this on a tv show and i thought, why don&#39;t i post it here :)




so.. let&#39;s pay some attention to some scenses of Matrix and Reloaded

1. when Neo is in the waitingroom for the Oracle you see a tv that&#39;s playing &#39;white bunny&#39;s&#39;.. so? well.. that&#39;s from Alice in Wonderland. Alice is also sleeping while she&#39;s in a other world.

2. The name &#39;Morphues&#39; is a god that is is the god over the sleeping and awaken people

3. the ship &#39;Nebucatneaser&#39; (or something, you know what i mean) is a guy that was asleep and god gave him a message to do something in his dream.

4. at the Highway scene in Matrix Reloaded you see a white truck.. so you&#39;ll think.. nice truck.. no&#33; at the side of it ( i have no idea what it says) that has something to do with Gulliver who was also asleep and was in the world of the big people


if this was confusing, i&#39;m sorry but i just wanted to post it :) i knew alot more but i forget it all.. if you know something more about the Matrix Trioligy.. please post it :)
You forgot "Sleeping Awake" by P.O.D. :lol:

Hybrid Soldier
11-15-2003, 03:28 PM
man they sure do sleep a lot. :P

Phantom Duck
11-16-2003, 01:39 PM
Originally posted by Hybrid Soldier@Nov 15 2003, 04:28 PM
man they sure do sleep a lot. :P
That explains the Watchovski&#39;s sleepy look :lol:

Alex
11-16-2003, 06:38 PM
I just watched it... yeah yeah ive been v.busy ok :P


For me the way it played out was a little unexpected. From the beginning of the trilogy, your expecting one of the two sides to win the war, society has become so content with this outlook that you don&#39;t imagine the other possibilities. Its rare for peace to occur without a side having an all out victory and that why I think some people were left a little let down.

The big thing the filmed didn&#39;t include was an explanation, an understanding of it all, a higher level..... but if you think about it, there isn&#39;t one. Don&#39;t forget that the movie is based on present-day/future earth. Were all here living our lives just like the machines and humans in the matrix. We live our lives everyday, goto school, work, ect but you always have the odd think about what&#39;s out there, is there a higher level, and the film plays with this. It makes us say.. what if....? And after this 6 hour ride you expecting all the answers on a big silver tray filled with answers.

If you take away all the crazy special effects and study the narrative you start to see that the matrix story is a very simple one. When watching the film you are immediately drawn to the human side of the war, we want the machines blown to bits, how dare they take away our world from us when really the machines are only wanting survival also. You are shown for the fist time that the machines are more then toasters with guns, they are just like us but they look a little different. This brings us back to reality, we fight wars all the time on earth because were different... but were not. The underlining message of the film is that we all need each other no matter our race, background, beliefs... were all trying to get to the same place, so lets do it together. If you go back to Reloaded and remember what was said by that council member to Neo the night before all the action kicked off you might understand what im getting out.


Well then... that&#39;s enough words from me...

Mark
11-16-2003, 09:47 PM
Originally posted by Alex@Nov 16 2003, 04:08 PM
I just watched it... yeah yeah ive been v.busy ok :P


For me the way it played out was a little unexpected. From the beginning of the trilogy, your expecting one of the two sides to win the war, society has become so content with this outlook that you don&#39;t imagine the other possibilities. Its rare for peace to occur without a side having an all out victory and that why I think some people were left a little let down.

The big thing the filmed didn&#39;t include was an explanation, an understanding of it all, a higher level..... but if you think about it, there isn&#39;t one. Don&#39;t forget that the movie is based on present-day/future earth. Were all here living our lives just like the machines and humans in the matrix. We live our lives everyday, goto school, work, ect but you always have the odd think about what&#39;s out there, is there a higher level, and the film plays with this. It makes us say.. what if....? And after this 6 hour ride you expecting all the answers on a big silver tray filled with answers.

If you take away all the crazy special effects and study the narrative you start to see that the matrix story is a very simple one. When watching the film you are immediately drawn to the human side of the war, we want the machines blown to bits, how dare they take away our world from us when really the machines are only wanting survival also. You are shown for the fist time that the machines are more then toasters with guns, they are just like us but they look a little different. This brings us back to reality, we fight wars all the time on earth because were different... but were not. The underlining message of the film is that we all need each other no matter our race, background, beliefs... were all trying to get to the same place, so lets do it together. If you go back to Reloaded and remember what was said by that council member to Neo the night before all the action kicked off you might understand what im getting out.


Well then... that&#39;s enough words from me...
Good analogy&#33;

So what&#39;d you think of Revolutions? Did you think it was decent? Or a letdown? What would you rate it out of 10?

Alex
11-17-2003, 02:16 AM
Originally posted by LPFAN05+Nov 16 2003, 10:47 PM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (LPFAN05 @ Nov 16 2003, 10:47 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> <!--QuoteBegin--Alex@Nov 16 2003, 04:08 PM
I just watched it... yeah yeah ive been v.busy ok :P


For me the way it played out was a little unexpected. From the beginning of the trilogy, your expecting one of the two sides to win the war, society has become so content with this outlook that you don&#39;t imagine the other possibilities. Its rare for peace to occur without a side having an all out victory and that why I think some people were left a little let down.

The big thing the filmed didn&#39;t include was an explanation, an understanding of it all, a higher level..... but if you think about it, there isn&#39;t one. Don&#39;t forget that the movie is based on present-day/future earth. Were all here living our lives just like the machines and humans in the matrix. We live our lives everyday, goto school, work, ect but you always have the odd think about what&#39;s out there, is there a higher level, and the film plays with this. It makes us say.. what if....? And after this 6 hour ride you expecting all the answers on a big silver tray filled with answers.

If you take away all the crazy special effects and study the narrative you start to see that the matrix story is a very simple one. When watching the film you are immediately drawn to the human side of the war, we want the machines blown to bits, how dare they take away our world from us when really the machines are only wanting survival also. You are shown for the fist time that the machines are more then toasters with guns, they are just like us but they look a little different. This brings us back to reality, we fight wars all the time on earth because were different... but were not. The underlining message of the film is that we all need each other no matter our race, background, beliefs... were all trying to get to the same place, so lets do it together. If you go back to Reloaded and remember what was said by that council member to Neo the night before all the action kicked off you might understand what im getting out.


Well then... that&#39;s enough words from me...
Good analogy&#33;

So what&#39;d you think of Revolutions? Did you think it was decent? Or a letdown? What would you rate it out of 10? [/b][/quote]
loved it&#33;&#33; ^_^ .... i dont think I can score it without viewing it a second time.. ive been a little hungover today

The Doctor
11-17-2003, 02:40 AM
I printed out all of our theories about the movie and gave it to my astronomy teacher who loves Matrix and he read it and said "wow, bonus points for you." LMAO thanks you guys&#33; [/end pointless story]

Ander
11-17-2003, 02:43 AM
Originally posted by DJ_Nate@Nov 16 2003, 07:40 PM
I printed out all of our theories about the movie and gave it to my astronomy teacher who loves Matrix and he read it and said "wow, bonus points for you." LMAO thanks you guys&#33; [/end pointless story]
:angry: why cant i use other people for my own personal gain :(





:P

tkd_rap
11-17-2003, 04:50 PM
the child sati has inportance, i was replaying the game enter the matrix, and wam, this is whats said to ghost from the oricle after she convinces him that she is the oricle despite her new shell

Ghost : Can you tell me what happened to you?
Oracle : Two programs that I trusted sold the termination code of my
original shell to the Merovingian.
Ghost : Why did they do that?
Oracle : For love. For the life of their child.
Ghost : You knew about it, and yet you let it happen?
Oracle : I had to.
Ghost : Why?
Oracle : Because the child is important. I can&#39;t tell you why, but I believe
one day, the child will change both our world and your world
forever. " so what ya think? she takes place after revolutions, meaning, she has something to do still, its not over

Hybrid Soldier
11-17-2003, 05:32 PM
i think she means that once machines understand love, they wont attack the humans.

Hybrid Soldier
11-22-2003, 02:25 AM
http://www.countingdown.com/movies/320843/...item_id=3264772 (http://www.countingdown.com/movies/320843/news?item_id=3264772)

and there&#39;s word that the matrix rev. dvd is coming around january 2004.

Ander
11-22-2003, 03:23 AM
Originally posted by Hybrid Soldier@Nov 21 2003, 07:25 PM
http://www.countingdown.com/movies/320843/...item_id=3264772 (http://www.countingdown.com/movies/320843/news?item_id=3264772)

and there&#39;s word that the matrix rev. dvd is coming around january 2004.
the 6th.

Mark
11-22-2003, 03:57 AM
Originally posted by superxero88+Nov 22 2003, 12:53 AM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (superxero88 @ Nov 22 2003, 12:53 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> <!--QuoteBegin--Hybrid Soldier@Nov 21 2003, 07:25 PM
http://www.countingdown.com/movies/320843/...item_id=3264772 (http://www.countingdown.com/movies/320843/news?item_id=3264772)

and there&#39;s word that the matrix rev. dvd is coming around january 2004.
the 6th. [/b][/quote]
wow, quick release of the DVD&#33; can&#39;t wait&#33;

The Doctor
11-22-2003, 04:21 AM
NO F*CKING WAY&#33; THATS MY BIRTHDAY&#33;&#33;&#33; SWEET&#33;


Edit: HAHA My friends already planned on getting it for me&#33; They love me. :D

Mcnasty
11-25-2003, 05:44 AM
Warner have now issued a statement regarding the apparent announcement of The Matrix Revolutions for January next year. Unfortunately for you Matrix fans, the disc will not be released this coming January. On this occasion, it would appear that a number of retailers have been fed faulty information. Warner have confirmed however, that the disc is scheduled to be announced in January.

Ander
11-25-2003, 05:55 AM
Originally posted by Mcnasty@Nov 24 2003, 10:44 PM
Warner have now issued a statement regarding the apparent announcement of The Matrix Revolutions for January next year. Unfortunately for you Matrix fans, the disc will not be released this coming January. On this occasion, it would appear that a number of retailers have been fed faulty information. Warner have confirmed however, that the disc is scheduled to be announced in January.
:o NOOOO&#33;&#33;&#33;

Andy Jones
11-25-2003, 01:03 PM
WOW...

iz da dvd out in Jan in just America or all around da world?

tkd_rap
11-25-2003, 04:42 PM
its going to be anoinced when it will be released in january, not actually going to be released though, just anounced&#33; get it?

Mcnasty
11-25-2003, 05:08 PM
Some other news for you Hard/Soft Core Matrix fans like me is that there will be a "The Animatrix 2".

Phantom Duck
11-25-2003, 05:40 PM
Originally posted by Mcnasty@Nov 25 2003, 06:08 PM
Some other news for you Hard/Soft Core Matrix fans like me is that there will be a "The Animatrix 2".
*sellout*

tkd_rap
11-25-2003, 05:59 PM
sellout?

Mcnasty
11-25-2003, 07:27 PM
Originally posted by Phantom Duck+Nov 25 2003, 06:40 PM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (Phantom Duck @ Nov 25 2003, 06:40 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> <!--QuoteBegin--Mcnasty@Nov 25 2003, 06:08 PM
Some other news for you Hard/Soft Core Matrix fans like me is that there will be a "The Animatrix 2".
*sellout* [/b][/quote]
Maby but I think it will be interesting to find out what happens after revolutions.

Hybrid Soldier
01-13-2004, 11:50 PM
sorry for bumping a really old topic but there recently was a live chat with Warner Home Video concerning the upcoming dvd. It will be coming out on April 6. For those of you wondering about "Matrix 4", the matrix trilogy will continue in a massive multiplayer online game.


Source: Here (http://www.dvdfanatic.com/news.php?id=0401121)

tkd_rap
01-14-2004, 12:30 AM
Originally posted by Hybrid Soldier@Jan 14 2004, 12:50 AM
sorry for bumping a really old topic but there recently was a live chat with Warner Home Video concerning the upcoming dvd. It will be coming out on April 6. For those of you wondering about "Matrix 4", the matrix trilogy will continue in a massive multiplayer online game.


Source: Here (http://www.dvdfanatic.com/news.php?id=0401121)
shute, i hate mmpog&#39;s, monthly rates are the pits&#33;&#33;&#33;&#33;&#33;&#33;&#33; so i quess spoilers will be in it for me to find out what hapned to neo&#33; you wont see me buying the game, and man, i am kinda glad they arnt doing another movie, simply becuase the new cast was god-awful-sick and couldnt act. i am talking about zion peeps, not zariph, he was just dang cool B) "I must apologize" "For what?" "For THIS&#33;"

Mark
01-14-2004, 12:38 AM
Originally posted by tkd_rap+Jan 13 2004, 10:00 PM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (tkd_rap @ Jan 13 2004, 10:00 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> <!--QuoteBegin--Hybrid Soldier@Jan 14 2004, 12:50 AM
sorry for bumping a really old topic but there recently was a live chat with Warner Home Video concerning the upcoming dvd. It will be coming out on April 6. For those of you wondering about "Matrix 4", the matrix trilogy will continue in a massive multiplayer online game.


Source: Here (http://www.dvdfanatic.com/news.php?id=0401121)
shute, i hate mmpog&#39;s, monthly rates are the pits&#33;&#33;&#33;&#33;&#33;&#33;&#33; so i quess spoilers will be in it for me to find out what hapned to neo&#33; you wont see me buying the game, and man, i am kinda glad they arnt doing another movie, simply becuase the new cast was god-awful-sick and couldnt act. i am talking about zion peeps, not zariph, he was just dang cool B) "I must apologize" "For what?" "For THIS&#33;" [/b][/quote]
seraph* and he wasn&#39;t a zion resident. he was a program designed to protect the oracle. ;)

can&#39;t wait for the dvd and multiplayer game. I won&#39;t mind paying the monthly fees because I&#39;m a big fiend for the Matrix. :lol:

Ander
01-14-2004, 12:43 AM
DVDAnswers.com (http://dvdanswers.com/index.php?r=0&s=1&c=2987&n=1&burl=)
Title: Matrix Revolutions
Starring: Keanu Reaves
Released: 6th April 2004
SRP: &#036;29.95

Further Details
Warner Home Video have kindly sent over all the details on the region one release of Matrix Revolutions which stars Keanu Reaves, Carrie-Anne Moss and Laurence Fishburne. This two disc release will be available to own from the 6th April this year in seperate anamorphic widescreen and full screen editions. Each of these should set you back somewhere in the region of &#036;29.95. The full disc specs for the widescreen edition are attached below along with an exclusive first look at the region one artwork for both releases. We&#39;ll bring you menu shots etc as soon as they become available to us. Stay tuned.


2.40:1 Anamorphic Widescreen Presentation

English Dolby Digital 5.1 Track

English Dolby Digital 2.0 Stereo Track

French Dolby Digital 5.1 Track

Matrix Recalibrated (Making Of) Documentary
- Neo Realism: The Evolution of Bullet Time

CG Revolution (Effects) Documentary
- Super Big Mini-Models Segment

Super Burly Brawl Featurette
- Double Agent Smith Segment
- Mind Over Matter: The Physicality of The Matrix

Before the Revolution 3D Timeline

Future Gamer: The Matrix Online (Game) Feature

Multidimensional Stills Gallery

Matrix Revolutions Theatrical Trailer

DVD-ROM Features: Weblink & Matrix Test

English, French, Spanish Subtitles



DVD.IGN.com (http://dvd.ign.com/articles/448/448367p1.html?fromint=1)
December 23, 2003 - The Matrix producer Joel Silver has answered one of the most common questions that arrive here at IGN DVD: will there be a box set for The Matrix series? The answer is yes.


In the December 2003 issue of DVD Etc., on newsstands now, Silver discusses the film, among other things, and says the following:

We&#39;re planning to do staggering things with it in the future. There will be a box set of all three &#39;Matrix&#39; films.

When asked about special features, he said it was being decided, and added that he would like to do another transfer of the first Matrix film.

He didn&#39;t give any time frame for this. So there you have it, a little gift of news from Joel Silver.

Mcnasty
01-14-2004, 02:29 AM
Cant you hide the links for those.

Ander
01-14-2004, 02:43 AM
Originally posted by Mcnasty@Jan 13 2004, 07:29 PM
Cant you hide the links for those.
Yes, I could, and just did. Why?

Hybrid Soldier
01-14-2004, 04:14 AM
Originally posted by superxero88@Jan 13 2004, 07:43 PM


DVD.IGN.com (http://dvd.ign.com/articles/448/448367p1.html?fromint=1)
December 23, 2003 - The Matrix producer Joel Silver has answered one of the most common questions that arrive here at IGN DVD: will there be a box set for The Matrix series? The answer is yes.


In the December 2003 issue of DVD Etc., on newsstands now, Silver discusses the film, among other things, and says the following:

We&#39;re planning to do staggering things with it in the future. There will be a box set of all three &#39;Matrix&#39; films.

When asked about special features, he said it was being decided, and added that he would like to do another transfer of the first Matrix film.

He didn&#39;t give any time frame for this. So there you have it, a little gift of news from Joel Silver.
wat the?


DVD Fanatic (http://www.dvdfanatic.com/news.php?id=0401121)
Question: Will there be a 3-Pack including all three Matrix films?

WHV: No. The Matrix Revolutions will not be bundled with other Matrix titles.

Ander
01-14-2004, 04:25 AM
Originally posted by Hybrid Soldier+Jan 13 2004, 09:14 PM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (Hybrid Soldier @ Jan 13 2004, 09:14 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> <!--QuoteBegin--superxero88@Jan 13 2004, 07:43 PM


DVD.IGN.com (http://dvd.ign.com/articles/448/448367p1.html?fromint=1)
December 23, 2003 - The Matrix producer Joel Silver has answered one of the most common questions that arrive here at IGN DVD: will there be a box set for The Matrix series? The answer is yes.


In the December 2003 issue of DVD Etc., on newsstands now, Silver discusses the film, among other things, and says the following:

We&#39;re planning to do staggering things with it in the future. There will be a box set of all three &#39;Matrix&#39; films.

When asked about special features, he said it was being decided, and added that he would like to do another transfer of the first Matrix film.

He didn&#39;t give any time frame for this. So there you have it, a little gift of news from Joel Silver.
wat the?


DVD Fanatic (http://www.dvdfanatic.com/news.php?id=0401121)
Question: Will there be a 3-Pack including all three Matrix films?

WHV: No. The Matrix Revolutions will not be bundled with other Matrix titles.
[/b][/quote]
lol. Silver made that decision before they started shooting the sequels, he just didn&#39;t tell Warner ;)



:lol:

withnoapologies
01-14-2004, 08:46 PM
well..... it was better than the Matrix Reloaded.... i&#39;ll give it that. they should have stopped at the Matrix, which was amazing. but i shall give it a perfect mark of:



0/10



perfectly terrible that is&#33; it was such a bad movie&#33; waste of money.

Mark
01-14-2004, 08:57 PM
a little harsh, wouldn&#39;t you say?

withnoapologies
01-15-2004, 08:39 PM
not really. it was pretty bad. but i watched it months ago, so i forget what happened, all i remeber is that it was bad. but actually i will give it a 1/10 because it was better than Reloaded.

Mark
01-15-2004, 09:54 PM
Originally posted by withnoapologies@Jan 15 2004, 06:09 PM
not really. it was pretty bad. but i watched it months ago, so i forget what happened, all i remeber is that it was bad. but actually i will give it a 1/10 because it was better than Reloaded.
you didn&#39;t like the special effects or action sequences? you&#39;re crazy. :lol:. you kinda have to be into the philosophy like me to really enjoy it, i guess.

tkd_rap
01-15-2004, 10:10 PM
Originally posted by withnoapologies@Jan 15 2004, 09:39 PM
not really. it was pretty bad. but i watched it months ago, so i forget what happened, all i remeber is that it was bad. but actually i will give it a 1/10 because it was better than Reloaded.
so outragious action sequences, dang cool cloths, smith, and some awesome cgi all manage to get 1 point, wow, mest up scoring system&#33; me, yes the first matrix was best, by far, and now looking back they should have stuck with it, and not made sequils, or if they did, should have made only one and made it reallllllllllllyyyy good. i quess it gets a 6.5 or 7/10 from me, i love it, but only matrix will get a 9.5/10, in second place with lord of the rings return of the king for number one spot ;) no movie i have every seen has gotten a 10/10, but matrix came close

Hybrid Soldier
01-16-2004, 11:20 PM
check out the screenshots to the new online game here. (http://www.pcgameworld.com/screenthumb.php/game/1736/The_Matrix_Online/) looks pretty cool. :)