Westboro baptist church

[Pidgeon]

So westboro baptist church recently protested a foo fighters/rise against concert. The foos went out and performed a country song (one that I believe is about gay sex XD). It was really cool and all but I'm wondering if it gave them too much publicity. What do you think? I think we shouldn't give them too much attention but at them same time they're so insane no one will side with them anyways. Ad how do you think we should deal with them? Fight back or ignore and hope they'll realize its a lost cause and go home. And as a side note I would just like to say not all of us Christians are like this. Most of us are loving and accepting. So please don't judge us based on these idiots.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6e5hRLbCaCs

[Benjamin]

In general I don't think they should get this kind of attention...

But THAT, my fellow LPAers, is what we call an epic win. Foo Fighters are fucking awesome, haha. Just saw them 3 days ago. They played the best show I've ever seen.

[Pidgeon]

hahaha had I known this was goin down I would of made the trip to see the show XD

[ThaHandyman]

I don't think homosexulity is right and I make some pretty homo freestyles all the time. Its called a joke!

if this isn't gay idk what is


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PbOJhwzympI

[Ryo Hazuki]

I don't think homosexulity is right and I make some pretty homo freestyles all the time. Its called a joke!

if this isn't gay idk what is


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PbOJhwzympI

Replacing the word "gay" with "homo" doesn't make what you said any less derogatory, given the context that you've said it in.
And that kind of language is against the rules. I'm sure many will find this offensive.

[Disturbedthoughts]

Logged on, saw Westboro in the recent comments...thinking to myself "What the hell did they do this time?" But all told, this is surprisingly tame for them. Maybe they're losing their touch? :lol:

Not to make light of them totally, they are pretty screwy, but those were my honest thoughts.

[Derek The Infamous]

I don't think homosexulity is right and I make some pretty homo freestyles all the time. Its called a joke!

if this isn't gay idk what is


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PbOJhwzympI
It doesn't matter if you're joking or not, you're still crossing a very fine line. You're welcome to support who you want politically, believe in whatever kind of god you wish, but one thing we absolutely do NOT tolerate on LPA is anything prejudice towards homosexuals, even jokingly. You're welcome to express in a non prejudice fashion why you may or may not agree with homosexuality (that's what Serious Chat and debates are for), but when you start being ignorant about it and joking in an offensive way, and calling things "gay" to imply that something being gay makes it inferior, or less awesome...that's when there's a problem. There is a huge LGBT community on LPA and in the Linkin Park fan community as a whole and we wish to respect them.

Going back on your infractions, you've been given points before for anti-homosexual comments, so consider this a pre-warning. You do it again, you're out of here.

[Moridin]

Those people are bonkers (and the Foos counter-trolling was great).

Louis Theroux made a couple of docmentaries on the WBC.
This is his first visit:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bOrz5k0jWdU


and this is his return visit:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ticxD0GfewA

[Derek The Infamous]

So not only do they sound crazy, they look crazy too. Amazing!

[Vdalem]

To be honest, most of us have too much on our plates to even give them a second thought! Let them do their crazy stuff cause I'm not even thinking about them! *shakes head* God loves all of us, even those crazy rugrats of his over there.

[Timothy]

http://i298.photobucket.com/albums/mm280/LoominSpectre/GodHurricanes-1.jpg

[Jeff]

I have nothing relevant to say, except for giving the Foo Fighters praise for turning the WBC picket into a total farce. :lol:

[Theazninvasion68]

I have nothing relevant to say, except for giving the Foo Fighters praise for turning the WBC picket into a total farce. :lol:

I have to praise them too :lol: That was pretty good. I can't believe WBC is still going around. You'd think they'd stop by now.. Apparently not.

[Vriska]

Westboro is clearly demonstrating the concept of Feeding the Trolls. Their weakness is in people ignoring them. Granted, it's a little difficult to do that with them being so infuriating and all. I gotta give props to the Foo Fighters and other cool folks like the counter protesters at Comic Con that one time though. Sometimes the lulz is worth it.

I'm gonna make a left turn here and say that I'm glad Westboro has religious freedom to do what they do. As long as they have their freedoms, we can feel safe knowing ours will be in tact.




http://i298.photobucket.com/albums/mm280/LoominSpectre/GodHurricanes-1.jpg
Problem: He keeps missing San Francisco... and almost every liberal state in the nation. Funny how he always hits the bible belt.
I think what the LBGT folks need to do is find the safest city on the planet and then create the world's largest party.

[Pidgeon]

Westboro is clearly demonstrating the concept of Feeding the Trolls. Their weakness is in people ignoring them. Granted, it's a little difficult to do that with them being so infuriating and all. I gotta give props to the Foo Fighters and other cool folks like the counter protesters at Comic Con that one time though. Sometimes the lulz is worth it.

I'm gonna make a left turn here and say that I'm glad Westboro has religious freedom to do what they do. As long as they have their freedoms, we can feel safe knowing ours will be in tact.

Yeah, I guess I agree with that lmao. While sometimes I feel like they shouldn't have the right to be so stupid, they should have the right to freedom of speech/religion/protest

[ThaHandyman]

Replacing the word "gay" with "homo" doesn't make what you said any less derogatory, given the context that you've said it in.
And that kind of language is against the rules. I'm sure many will find this offensive.

I was bein foreal, its pretty homosexual. My freestyles are homosexual. Its not being offensive at all, I was saying I make joke songs too, chill the eff out bro.


It doesn't matter if you're joking or not, you're still crossing a very fine line. You're welcome to support who you want politically, believe in whatever kind of god you wish, but one thing we absolutely do NOT tolerate on LPA is anything prejudice towards homosexuals, even jokingly. You're welcome to express in a non prejudice fashion why you may or may not agree with homosexuality (that's what Serious Chat and debates are for), but when you start being ignorant about it and joking in an offensive way, and calling things "gay" to imply that something being gay makes it inferior, or less awesome...that's when there's a problem. There is a huge LGBT community on LPA and in the Linkin Park fan community as a whole and we wish to respect them.

Going back on your infractions, you've been given points before for anti-homosexual comments, so consider this a pre-warning. You do it again, you're out of here.

Get off yalls fn high horses! I was being foreal. I joke too, and no one should be offended by it. Just cuz I'm not the Foo Fighters and I'm conservative doesn't mean I can't joke. I was saying 'look at me, I'm silly and act gay all the time', not whatever you misconstrued. If you watched the video its pretty obvious my intentions were not ill towards homosexuals at all. The only 'infractioning' going on here is on an old taboo. I thought you liberals would be all for this kind of stuff!

Someone obviously has never heard:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sQyHtUeJYPE

[Blackee Dammet]

WBC are a group of (incredibly good) lawyers that deliberately provoke people with the intention of hoping somebody does something they can sue for. They have done this successfully several times.

And that's what the WBC does.

[Geki]

I'm mad that I did not watch that video earlier!!! That is one of the funniest things I have seen in a long time. I love the Foo Fighters. Anyways, my opinion on this, is that people shouldn't judge anyone on the way they look, their sexuality, their race, or anything like that. Everyone is created equal. I'm not saying I am religious, I'm not, but I don't push my own beliefs on people that are religious at all.

[El Muerto]

I said it before and I'll say it again, gay people on this forum are protected more than pandas and polar bears together. I bet you didn't even watch the video before you started warning him about getting banned. It's people like Jesse who bring the most harm to gay population by whining and complaining about every single little thing.. Makes me think you don't wanna be accepted at all, and wanna be special just because you're gay. If a joke is made at your own expense, just take it like a man and move on.

[Jeff]

I was bein foreal, its pretty homosexual. My freestyles are homosexual. Its not being offensive at all, I was saying I make joke songs too, chill the eff out bro.



Get off yalls fn high horses! I was being foreal. I joke too, and no one should be offended by it. Just cuz I'm not the Foo Fighters and I'm conservative doesn't mean I can't joke. I was saying 'look at me, I'm silly and act gay all the time', not whatever you misconstrued. If you watched the video its pretty obvious my intentions were not ill towards homosexuals at all. The only 'infractioning' going on here is on an old taboo. I thought you liberals would be all for this kind of stuff!

Someone obviously has never heard:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sQyHtUeJYPE

Yes, because turning a conversation from using a term such as "homo" translates to a bestiality argument. :rolleyes:

[Todd]

my intentions were not ill towards homosexuals at all.


I don't think homosexulity is right

You're not helping your case.

[El Muerto]

So what if he doesn't think homosexuality is right? You don't think religion is right and I still wouldn't give a shit if you made joke songs about Jesus.

[ThaHandyman]

You're not helping your case.

I don't think a lot of things are right, it doesn't mean I can't still love and have respect for that person Todd. And foreal thankyou El Muerto, somebody gets it.

[Todd]

Not agreeing with someone's sexual orientation is the same as not agreeing with someone's skin color. It's a trait someone is born with and has no control over. It's insulting and bigoted.

The big difference between sexual orientation and religion is you choose your religion.

[ThaHandyman]

I see we disagree here. Which is beside the point in the first place, as I was embracing homosexuality. But we can keep drilling the conservative if its that much fun.

[Dean]

But we can keep drilling the conservative if its that much fun.
I thought you didn't like homosexuality?

[El Muerto]

Not agreeing with someone's sexual orientation is the same as not agreeing with someone's skin color. It's a trait someone is born with and has no control over. It's insulting and bigoted.

The big difference between sexual orientation and religion is you choose your religion.


Well that's just your own view.. Thinking that 95% of the world population is insane for being religious is at least just as insulting and bigoted as not supporting the 5% of the world population that's gay.

But I don't really wanna get involved in the same argument for the twentieth time, all I wanted to do is just say that I think that ThaHandyman didn't actually do anything wrong.

[CallofReach141]

He's saying he doesn't think it's right. But if you do it he's not calling the cops on you.

[Dean]

Well that's just your own view.. Thinking that 95% of the world population is insane for being religious is at least just as insulting and bigoted as not supporting the 5% of the world population that's gay.

But I don't really wanna get involved in the same argument for the twentieth time, all I wanted to do is just say that I think that ThaHandyman didn't actually do anything wrong.
Bigotry against either wouldn't be right but still, religion is an idea, an opinion. It's ultimately something you don't have to partake in if you don't want to. There's more grounds to make fun of that than there are for doing it to homosexuality, where pretty much every piece of evidence I've ever seen, whether they say it's biological or environmental, says it isn't a choice you make of your own accord. Why would you?

And as a comedian, ultimately I'd like to think it's ok to joke about anything, but there's a difference between breaking taboos and using "lol just joking" as an excuse for genuinely being a bigot. Not accusing anyone here of that, I can't really because I've barely paid attention to this thread previous to this particular part of the discussion.

[ThaHandyman]

Not accusing anyone here of that, I can't really because I've barely paid attention to this thread previous to this particular part of the discussion.

Then read my first post where I was ohhh such a bad boy. And again thank you El Muerto, couldn't have said it better myself! Its about time someone on here is thinking before hitting submit reply!

[Derek The Infamous]

Then read my first post where I was ohhh such a bad boy. And again thank you El Muerto, couldn't have said it better myself! Its about time someone on here is thinking before hitting submit reply! You need to stop being such a smart ass (like you were above) and stop being disrespecting towards the moderating staff, or else you'll be getting a banned message "before you're hitting submit reply" because your attitude is getting old. If you're yelled at for the way you're handling yourself in this thread, it's not an invitation to tell us to "get off our high horses" or an invitation to continue to act like an ass and word your posts in a smart ass way. You've used the word gay in a negative fashion before (as your previous infractions show), made posts that have been construed as ignorant towards other people, and therefore we're not exactly believing of you when you claim to be joking. Furthermore, you may claim that we're not tolerating of religious folk, but there's a difference: You choose your religion, you don't choose your sexuality. And that's backed up by scientific research that has stated time and time again that sexuality is determined before the kid is even born.

Case in point? I used to be Lutheran and believe in an all knowing god, until I realized how full of shit the church is and became an athiest/agnostic. However; am I going to judge you for believing in god or claim you're wrong to believe in an entity of which there is no scientific proof of existence? No. However; you could become a buddhist overnight and it wouldn't hurt you because religion is a choice. A gay male doesn't wake up one day and say "I'm going to stop liking dick, and go for pussy", it doesn't work that way.

[CallofReach141]

Almost every thread nowadays goes off topic.

[ThaHandyman]

You need to stop being such a smart ass (like you were above) and stop being disrespecting towards the moderating staff, or else you'll be getting a banned message "before you're hitting submit reply" because your attitude is getting old. If you're yelled at for the way you're handling yourself in this thread, it's not an invitation to tell us to "get off our high horses" or an invitation to continue to act like an ass and word your posts in a smart ass way. You've used the word gay in a negative fashion before (as your previous infractions show), made posts that have been construed as ignorant towards other people, and therefore we're not exactly believing of you when you claim to be joking. Furthermore, you may claim that we're not tolerating of religious folk, but there's a difference: You choose your religion, you don't choose your sexuality. And that's backed up by scientific research that has stated time and time again that sexuality is determined before the kid is even born.

Case in point? I used to be Lutheran and believe in an all knowing god, until I realized how full of shit the church is and became an athiest/agnostic. However; am I going to judge you for believing in god or claim you're wrong to believe in an entity of which there is no scientific proof of existence? No. However; you could become a buddhist overnight and it wouldn't hurt you because religion is a choice. A gay male doesn't wake up one day and say "I'm going to stop liking dick, and go for pussy", it doesn't work that way.

I shouldn't have to be smart, but you took what I said way out of context and I was letting you know you were wrong. And btw, my previous infraction was for saying g*y, with the astrisk, and I'm pretty sure I was saying what someone else said. Which again, is beside the point of me having innocent intentions in this thread. It's pretty obvious that I'm doing exactly what the Foo Fighters were doing, I was like "hey what a coincidence, I'm sure they'll appreciate this!" And as Muerto pointed out, though you may think you choose religion and homosexuality, not all of us do. Science contradicts itself time and time again while my faith (notice not religion) remains the same.

You totally misconstrued my text, which was made pretty obvious by the silly video. I'm not trying to be smart, just have a good time even though yall completely missed it and were so eager to throw the flags when there was no penalty. Watch the replay plz.

[Derek The Infamous]

And again you're an ass in the last part of your post. Is it really necessary? You could've just had the first paragraph you had and left it there. Our problem with you is not your beliefs, but the way you word your posts. Not only are you usually always sarcastic in response in moderators, but you make remarks that are 9 times out of 10 easily construed as bigoted, and then backtrack and claim to be joking when the pressure piles on you from moderators/members of these boards.

It's like the left side of your brain doesn't agree with the other. If you intend something to be joking, make it clear. Don't say something that sounds one way, and then backpedal and claim it was a joke after everyone calls you out on it. And certainly don't be a smartass, when (by your own fault) the post came off completely the wrong way. Say what you mean, and say it clear. Then you won't have the problem of people taking you out of context.

[Timothy]

But we can keep drilling the conservative if its that much fun.

I thought you didn't like homosexuality?

One of the best exchanges I've read on here all week.

[ThaHandyman]

Woah, further attacking my character? I'm not a pussy. I'll be honest, if you don't know, ask me, you don't have to throw 'pre-warnings' around. I've never once said 'oh but i didn't mean' or 'back pedaled'. I'm not trolling about here, you simply took what I said and very ineffectively made me the bad guy. Again, its pretty obvious what I was aiming for if you saw the video. It was just in line with this thread.

And yes, Todd is a huge liberal, as he's said himself, and I assume you're pretty liberal yourself, so yes we'll have disagreements, that doesn't mean you need to falsify my texts to fit in with your agenda. Don't ask me to compramise my character, as long as I stay with in the rules of this board, I know I'm witty, and say what I mean. At first glance it might seem 'OMG HE SAID HOMO' but if you practice context clues, I honestly meant homosexual. Everything is there, I know I don't make it easy for you to admit your first suspicion was wrong, but its kind of hard when the admin sicks his attack dogs on ya.

And LOL Dean, I didn't get it until RLY just reposted that. That was a good one indeed.

[Blackee Dammet]

Handyman sometimes makes an ass of himself on here, but I think this particular episode has been blown out of proportion. Dude made a clearly lame joke, but he's not trying to convey any bigoted comments and then covering his ass by calling it a joke.

[CallofReach141]

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[ThaHandyman]

Thankyou...and I might add that the video was done like 2 months ago, and posting was more like a 'me too' than a joke, though if you know my bro the song was about and you know me, you found it quite funny.

[travz21]

Freedom of speech; only when the higher power likes what you are saying.


Edit: I do think people need to lighten up and stop being so emotional over stuff like this. Yeah, people should be dealt with that are racists, gay bashers, etc, but a lot of the stuff people are getting worked up about isn't worth it. Ok, so Handyman thinks homosexual behavior is wrong. I think religion is wrong. I don't think anyone here with those beliefs are intent on hurting individuals who fall into either category. Can't we all just coexist?

[Timothy]

It's a privately-owned and operated message board. They have every right to tell us what we can and can't say.

EDIT: And before anyone accuses me of being a mod ass kisser, posters have been trying in vain for years to make the LPA loosen up the rules on "retard" and homosexual epithets. It ain't happening, so it's not even worth arguing or, at worst, getting banned over.

[Jeff]

It's a privately-owned and operated message board. They have every right to tell us what we can and can't say.

EDIT: And before anyone accuses me of being a mod ass kisser, posters have been trying in vain for years to make the LPA loosen up the rules on "retard" and homosexual epithets. It ain't happening, so it's not even worth arguing over.

I completely agree.

When you join a society, there are rules that pretty much need to be followed no matter how ridiculous you seem to think they are. In this particular society, the higher ups don't want people to use terms that can come off as sexist/racist/downgrading/etc (i.e. ThaHandyman used the term "homo" which can be seen as being negative to any person on this board who may happen to be homosexual) . It's not like they are enforcing something too complicated to follow.

[Dean]

Handyman sometimes makes an ass of himself on here, but I think this particular episode has been blown out of proportion. Dude made a clearly lame joke, but he's not trying to convey any bigoted comments and then covering his ass by calling it a joke.
I agree with this.

[Benjamin]

I can't believe there's still a "debate" over whether or not homosexuality is something you're born with or not. It clearly is something that you just are. Not one credible case/study has been able to proven otherwise. Todd couldn't have said it any better. Saying "I don't think homosexuality is right" is equivalent to saying something like "I don't think being black is right."

We're talking about more or less 10% of the human population. Saying something they're born with is wrong and that they shouldn't get to live the way they want to is disgusting if you ask me.

I guess there's my weekly homosexual rights rant.

[Dean]

I think we've had like 92891192819281981928389378378444638638532344947394 discussions on the matter here in the past year.

[ThaHandyman]

We have, which was in part why I was trying to make light of the situation instead of going back on the same old same old.

[Todd]

It's a privately-owned and operated message board. They have every right to tell us what we can and can't say.

EDIT: And before anyone accuses me of being a mod ass kisser, posters have been trying in vain for years to make the LPA loosen up the rules on "retard" and homosexual epithets. It ain't happening, so it's not even worth arguing or, at worst, getting banned over.

This. We have really loosened up over the years. Anyone who was here when LPA first started would remember that we had a swear filter in place and censored words like fuck and shit. We loosened up on that. We've become more lenient on a lot of things, but use of "retard" and "gay" (and all of the variations) in a derogatory manner is something we will firmly stand our ground on and never loosen up on. If someone doesn't want to post here because they can't call this gay and that retarded, then quite honestly, we don't want them as a member here.

[Dean]

That swear filter was awesome, when it used to change "bitch" into "female dog" and "bastard" into "illegitimate child of unmarried parents" and stuff like that.

[Derek The Infamous]

That swear filter was awesome, when it used to change "bitch" into "female dog" and "bastard" into "illegitimate child of unmarried parents" and stuff like that. I am so glad we got rid of that. That filter was an embarrassment. :lol:

[Pidgeon]

lmao wow this got heavy XD

[Ryo Hazuki]

I didn't mean to cause a tsunami in here, I had a bad day and a very relevant discussion with my dad at the time, who thinks that there's something wrong with me just for the fact that I don't think homosexuals have anything wrong with them, alone. Much less my own sexuality...

I may have overreacted in hindsight, but in general when I see someone who I think is being disrespectful for asinine reasons I might approach them and suggest what they're doing is wrong, in the times that I can bring myself to do it. I know it's not in my power to act as a stand in and take matters into my own hands, so I do apologize, not for my beliefs and trying to defend those who have been wronged so many times over, but for the misunderstanding and torrent of explosive commentary that I did not mean to offset.

I am all for the freedom of speech, for example, I agree with everything Kathy has said almost word for word, WBC should have the right to say what they want to say and that does include "You're going to hell", which alternative helps strengthen others right to say what they think about WBC, which I think most would agree that they are scum.

To sum up, I'm sorry if I caused such temperaments (on the other hand, I do feel it is Good to bring about debates as it helps us get to know more about others beliefs) and that it all got out of hand.

[Derek The Infamous]

No you didn't cause a tsunami, and I'm glad you spoke up because some people are far too ignorant when it comes to homosexuality. I know it may come off sometimes on this forum that I am totally anti-religion/Christianity, but that is not the case. I have many Christian friends (I'm even sitting next to a devout Christian at work right now), and most Christians are great people and really easy to get along with. What I can't stand however, are the fundamentalist Christians or "whack-job Christians" as I like to call them, that insist on shoving their beliefs down people's throats, picketing funerals (in the case of WBC) or creating laws based on their religious belief (Dont Ask Don't Tell) when the constitution states there should be Separation of Church and State. There is absolutely nothing wrong with homosexuality, or homosexuals in general. It's just like people discriminating against Black people in the 1960s simply just for being Black. There was nothing wrong with Black people, and there's nothing wrong with homosexuals. Let them fuck who they want to fuck. I won't lose sleep over it, and neither should anybody else. Gay Marriage should be a legal reality, and a NON-issue.