Refugees

[Gloomy Mushroom]

I don't know if anyone is aware of the Australian situation with asylum seekers at the moment, but we're getting more boat people being crammed into detention centres every day. And then we have some who decide to sue the tax payers for stuff they did to themselves (a guy won a compensation pay out of $800,000 for "psychological distress" after being separated from his wife and children and thus resulting in the sewing together of his lips). On top of that, they don't want to work they don't want to earn their stay and we, the taxpayers are expected to fork out money to support the people who are currently rioting against us.

I know the Americans have the a similar problems with illegal immigrants being smuggled in from the South, whether or not they should be allowed to stay despite not having a social security number/not paying taxes.

I would like to know everyone's opinions and their country's versions of refugees as I do not doubt we are not alone in this boat people saga.

[ThaHandyman]

I thought this was gonna be about getting Wyclef, Pras, and Ms. Hill back together :/

But foreal, don't want no immigrants in here. We're already a melting pot, don't need more people in here (America), because so many tag along illegally. At least keep the border safe, and keep the hajis outta here. Too many people bein politically correct.

[+ / –]

Refugees and what you're talking about, asylum seekers, or asylees, are two subtly different things.

Asylees apply to enter the country at the port of entry, whereas refugees apply to go to the country from outside the country. I know in the US, there's a ceiling for the number of refugees the country can take in a year. Check if that's true with Australia, because I can't be damned to know.

Knowing this, you're going to have to specify whether the man who sued the government was admitted as a refugee or asylee. The difference means a lot in this case. Say the family went to Australia and applied for asylum. If the port authority granted asylum to the husband and denied entry to the family, the suing is absolutely just, considering in theory that there should be no limit to those who can be granted asylee status.

If the man was truly a refugee, that means he and his family applied for entry into Australia outside the country. From here, we'd need information as to where the man was coming from, the persecution involved (all asylees and refugees must be, to be considered as such, suffering from persecution due to creed, race, political opinions, etc.), and how much of a threat the family's life is in.

Say they applied for refugee status with Australia from inside North Korea. Only the husband was accepted and brought to Australia. The fact that the government didn't bring the wife and kids is a horrible wrong on their part, as logic states that families should be a priority for refugee status rather than individuals. Especially considering the family of refugees are often killed if left behind. The decision to sue Australia is in the right here.

As someone who comes from a family of refugees, I can understand the idea of psychological duress if not by firsthand account, but as a secondary. My father's side of the family was largely left behind in Cambodia during the fall of the Khmer Rouge. We don't know if my fraternal grandparents are alive or dead. Psychological duress is a reality that we all feel when it comes to leaving a country of persecution.

The difference between immigrants, legal or illegal, is quite a bit different compared to refugees and asylees. But I'll get into that in another post.

EDIT: ThaHandyman, that's pretty blatantly racist and ultra-conservative. You know, unless you're a Native American, you can't really say shit about immigrants.

[Dean]

I thought this was gonna be about getting Wyclef, Pras, and Ms. Hill back together :/

But foreal, don't want no immigrants in here. We're already a melting pot, don't need more people in here (America), because so many tag along illegally. At least keep the border safe, and keep the hajis outta here. Too many people bein politically correct.
You do say some awful things sometimes. :P Either way it doesn't come down to political correctness or people being "hajis", or at least it shouldn't.

[Timothy]

It's kind of silly hard to take a hard line against immigrants if you're American, because chances are you have some filthy immigrants in your lineage. :P

[ThaHandyman]

I am Native American :D Cherokee FTW. Agreed, I don't think refugees and immigrants are quite the same. And that's not racsism, thats just security. I've got mexican friends, I worked with illegal immigrants before, fun times! But the bottom line is, it's not good for the economy or born Americans at all.

As for Arabs, forgive my lingo earlier, a lot of my friends are in the armed forces. And you can call me racist all day, I don't want people who are known to kill Americans in my country one way or another, thats just common sense. I had an Irani friend since 1st grade, he was cool, but then again he wasn't muslim. My mom is a teacher, and taught a sweet young boy who hadn't been to his homeland in awhile. He left for 6 months back to I beleive Iraq (mighta been Iran), came back to school in the states, and was completely brainwashed I hate American Christians rahrahrah.

[Dean]

I don't think it should be about ethnicity or culture or heritage. It should just be about whether or not people have grounds to be there and if they can be accomodated, if people go to live in another country and contribute that probably beats people who are have more roots there and don't. And if it's about their safety it's hard to just send them away even if you can't let them in.

[+ / –]

"He was cool, but then again he wasn't Muslim."

So now we're judging people based on religion? Not very American now, eh?

And we don't want people who are known to kill Americans?

Guess we should deport all white people for killing Native Americans.

Guess we should deport the Vietnamese since they killed American soldiers.

And the Japanese. World War II.

And Germans. World War II.

And Russians. Also World War II.

All Americans. Civil War anyone?

Mexican-American War? Leave the country.

And Cambodians.

Be right back, leaving the country.

[Todd]

I am Native American :D Cherokee FTW. Agreed, I don't think refugees and immigrants are quite the same. And that's not racsism, thats just security. I've got mexican friends, I worked with illegal immigrants before, fun times! But the bottom line is, it's not good for the economy or born Americans at all.

As for Arabs, forgive my lingo earlier, a lot of my friends are in the armed forces. And you can call me racist all day, I don't want people who are known to kill Americans in my country one way or another, thats just common sense. I had an Irani friend since 1st grade, he was cool, but then again he wasn't muslim. My mom is a teacher, and taught a sweet young boy who hadn't been to his homeland in awhile. He left for 6 months back to I beleive Iraq (mighta been Iran), came back to school in the states, and was completely brainwashed I hate American Christians rahrahrah.

Right, because American Christians have never committed a terrorist attack :rolleyes:

You'd think you of all people would remember the Oklahoma City bombing, you live what, 50 miles from where it happened?

[Hybrid]

What about americans who kill americans? Anyways... As far as anyone coming into America to stay, I don't have a problem with it, so long as they do it the right way and earn their citizenship. There are many ways to do it. Yes it takes time, however, it is also the right thing to do.

[+ / –]

Christians who say that only Muslims commit terrorist attacks always seem to forget The Crusades.

[El Muerto]

http://opensourcejokes.com/wp-content/uploads/2007/04/Mexican_Burritos.jpg

And this doesn't go for burritos only, but for shitload of other things Americans take for granted.

[Hybrid]

http://opensourcejokes.com/wp-content/uploads/2007/04/Mexican_Burritos.jpg

And this doesn't go for burritos only, but for shitload of other things Americans take for granted.

I can make one hell of a burrito... I'm just sayin...

[ThaHandyman]

Right, because American Christians have never committed a terrorist attack :rolleyes:

You'd think you of all people would remember the Oklahoma City bombing, you live what, 50 miles from where it happened?

Dude was a neo nazi, that's hardly Christianity by the Bible. And yes, Minus, white men screwed everyone, I didn't say there was an answer, just stating 1 of many problems. If we tighten border control, its racist against Mexicans, which sucks. If you profile middle easterners, thats racist, which sucks. Nothing is fair, but I was simply stating my position on the matter, without being restrained by the widespread internet political correctness that must be maintained, lest someone *gasp* be offended.

[El Muerto]

I can make one hell of a burrito... I'm just sayin...

But would you do that full time for 3 bucks per hour?

[Timothy]

The strain that illegal immigrants put on our economy is exaggerated. Out economy is consumer driven, and no social class consumes more than working class folks, which most immigrants are. Don't think they're paying their fair share? Give them an easier path to citizenship. Help them help us.

Stop listening to xenophobic bullshit. If people spent half as much time railing against the corporate executives and bankers that are draining this country dry as they do on Mexicans, maybe things would actually improve.

[Hybrid]

But would you do that full time for 3 bucks per hour?

No, I bust my ass to bring a paycheck home to feed my family and make sure they are provided for. Once I'm home, I bust my ass to up keep it. The cold and calloused part of me wants to say if you decided to make your life and settle at 3 bucks an hour and cant find a way to make more money, that's on you, not on me.

[ThaHandyman]

The strain that illegal immigrants put on our economy is exaggerated. Out economy is consumer driven, and no social class consumes more than working class folks, which most immigrants are. Don't think they're paying their fair share? Give them an easier path to citizenship. Stop listening to xenophobic bullshit. If people spent half as much time railing against the corporate executives and bankers that are draining this country dry as they do on Mexicans, maybe things would actually improve.

Agreed, but the bankers and corporate executives own companies that own companies that are our media, so this side of the problem is, unfortunately, left to something like say, an internet forum.

[El Muerto]

No, I bust my ass to bring a paycheck home to feed my family and make sure they are provided for. Once I'm home, I bust my ass to up keep it. The cold and calloused part of me wants to say if you decided to make your life and settle at 3 bucks an hour and cant find a way to make more money, that's on you, not on me.

Well 3 buck per hour might be peanuts for you, but for someone who comes from a poor country where they had nothing, it's a fortune. And they can't find a better job because they're not there legally.

From what I've seen in America, I seriously don't know why anyone would complain about illegal immigrants. They're doing the jobs that most of the Americans doesn't feel like doing, plus you don't have to pay them a lot to mow your lawn or get your order at a fast food restaurant.

I mean, if it wasn't for the mutual benefit, do you really think a country like the USA wouldn't find a way to regulate that issue just like they regulated almost everything else?

[+ / –]

ThaHandyman: So based on your previous logic, I'd like to ask you a question.

My home country was run by a Communist dictator supported by the US. This Government SUPPORTED what basically amounts to genocide of my people. This was supported by the United States. In fact, the US helped kill almost half a million of my people from 1969-1975.

My father was a part of the rebel air force trying to overthrow Pol Pot, the dictator running my country. In essence, my dad was fighting for his future family's (myself included) freedom from tyranny. He in all likelihood killed American soldiers for this cause.

Based on your statement "I don't want people who are known to kill Americans in my country one way or another, thats just common sense," should I even be in this country right now, considering America was the one who wronged MY PEOPLE, but my father took part in killing Americans for my right to LIVE?

[El Muerto]

And Russians. Also World War II.


Wait, when did that happen?

[ThaHandyman]

Perhaps I should have clarified *innocent Americans*. America is not always right, the government is by no means always right. The past is the past, and I'm glad your here, apart from say, a few "Empty Spaces" posts ;)

[+ / –]

Wait, when did that happen?

Wow, good catch. I must've had a TimeSpree-sized brainfart there. I meant Italians.

EDIT: ThaHandyman - So the Armed Forces of the US are not considered innocent? By following the orders of the Government, they're 'allowed' to die?

[Hybrid]

Well 3 buck per hour might be peanuts for you, but for someone who comes from a poor country where they had nothing, it's a fortune. And they can't find a better job because they're not there legally.

From what I've seen in America, I seriously don't know why anyone would complain about illegal immigrants. They're doing the jobs that most of the Americans doesn't feel like doing, plus you don't have to pay them a lot to mow your lawn or get your order at a fast food restaurant.

I mean, if it wasn't for the mutual benefit, do you really think a country like the USA wouldn't find a way to regulate that issue just like they regulated almost everything else?

Back to my point of applying and earning citizenship. I have a problem with them "doing the jobs that most of the Americans doesn't feel like doing" because there are citzens here that need jobs and are willing to do the jobs that the illegals are doing but can't because the illegals hold that position. Unemployment is at an 8.7%. You think those people don't mind that someone who isnt living here legally and is wiring all of their money back to their country; further crippling the economy and preventing someone who could work a job? I think that's a big issue. Yeah, the illegals got it figured out with the exchange rate, but good people are left without a job. Shame on America for letting it happen, and Shame on Mexico for not finding a way to advance their economy and think that's okay.

[Timothy]

Back to my point of applying and earning citizenship. I have a problem with them "doing the jobs that most of the Americans doesn't feel like doing" because there are citzens here that need jobs and are willing to do the jobs that the illegals are doing but can't because the illegals hold that position. Unemployment is at an 8.7%. You think those people don't mind that someone who isnt living here legally and is wiring all of their money back to their country; further crippling the economy and preventing someone who could work a job? I think that's a big issue. Yeah, the illegals got it figured out with the exchange rate, but good people are left without a job. Shame on America for letting it happen, and Shame on Mexico for not finding a way to advance their economy and think that's okay.

Well, employers often prefer hiring immigrants because they know they'll stay at the job. A natural born citizen isn't likely to stay at a minimum-wage job for long because we have a higher standard of living. It's a complex issue, for sure.

[Hybrid]

Well, employers often prefer hiring immigrants because they know they'll stay at the job. A natural born citizen isn't likely to stay at a minimum-wage job for long because we have a higher standard of living. It's a complex issue, for sure.

The illegals will stay at the job because they are not legit. They don't want to even apply for another job in fear that they might get found out and deported. Atleast that's how I'm looking into it... Perhaps I'm wrong, but, that makes most sense in my mind.

[Derek The Infamous]

I just want to ask everyone in here to think their posts over twice before posting them. I've seen a very thin line get straddled in this thread in regards to racism, and while nobody has blatantly crossed it yet...a few of you have gotten extremely close. Please be thoughtful in what you post, because if I encounter any blatant racism I will not stand for it. Warnings will be issued and the thread will be closed.

[Hybrid]

Good point Derek... I think I've said what I needed to here. I'm done with this thread. I'm agreeing now to disagree. If you don't agree with what I've said, I'm just going to assume you will agree to disagree with me. Agreed?

[ThaHandyman]

Hybrid, I agree with you, though I see what Raymond is saying as well, there's no real answer, and that's sort of what I've been trying to get at the whole time. Theres a trade off for everything, hence why the problem has escalated to such an extreme.

[Gloomy Mushroom]

Refugees and what you're talking about, asylum seekers, or asylees, are two subtly different things.

Asylees apply to enter the country at the port of entry, whereas refugees apply to go to the country from outside the country. I know in the US, there's a ceiling for the number of refugees the country can take in a year. Check if that's true with Australia, because I can't be damned to know.

Knowing this, you're going to have to specify whether the man who sued the government was admitted as a refugee or asylee. The difference means a lot in this case. Say the family went to Australia and applied for asylum. If the port authority granted asylum to the husband and denied entry to the family, the suing is absolutely just, considering in theory that there should be no limit to those who can be granted asylee status.

If the man was truly a refugee, that means he and his family applied for entry into Australia outside the country. From here, we'd need information as to where the man was coming from, the persecution involved (all asylees and refugees must be, to be considered as such, suffering from persecution due to creed, race, political opinions, etc.), and how much of a threat the family's life is in.

Say they applied for refugee status with Australia from inside North Korea. Only the husband was accepted and brought to Australia. The fact that the government didn't bring the wife and kids is a horrible wrong on their part, as logic states that families should be a priority for refugee status rather than individuals. Especially considering the family of refugees are often killed if left behind. The decision to sue Australia is in the right here.

As someone who comes from a family of refugees, I can understand the idea of psychological duress if not by firsthand account, but as a secondary. My father's side of the family was largely left behind in Cambodia during the fall of the Khmer Rouge. We don't know if my fraternal grandparents are alive or dead. Psychological duress is a reality that we all feel when it comes to leaving a country of persecution.

The difference between immigrants, legal or illegal, is quite a bit different compared to refugees and asylees. But I'll get into that in another post.

EDIT: ThaHandyman, that's pretty blatantly racist and ultra-conservative. You know, unless you're a Native American, you can't really say shit about immigrants.

I'm not too sure on the finer details but I'm pretty sure he did that to himself in a detention centre a few years ago and when he was the only one granted asylum in Australia, then he sued the people the people who fed the system the money to keep him here.

Why should we the taxpayers fund people who come here, riot against us, sue us, using our money to fund their legal bills and our money as a payout when there are other things that could be addressed? John Howard, two Prime Ministers back set the Naroo Plan that kept them at bay and when Kevin Rudd came into office (Australians should know this name) he scraped it. With the cost of living going up and the introduction of the carbon tax about to be implemented from the first of July, it's going to be harder to keep a citizen alive, and the government gives no crap about their own people. Homelessness is on the rise, and the government wonders why. Because the government is giving a majority of government owned houses to the refugees who get their application accepted, who refuse to work and linger on the dole. I rather pay for some other person who was an Australian citizen for them to sit on their butt on the dole rather than to pay for some refugee's/asylum seeker's legal plight against the country that they should be grateful to be receiving a bed and food from.

And as much as it's harsh it's not racist and sadly it's the truth. A lot of people here are really sick of seeing their tax payers money wasted on these people rather genuine or fakers, should be not be here cos we are not the only country in the world that accepts refugees/asylum seekers.

[Derek The Infamous]

As much as it may be popular for some Americans to hate on immigrants (illegals), refugees or asylees...let's not forget that our ancestors we're immigrants themselves and that if it weren't for them coming over to America, this country wouldn't have been as successful as it has been. This is because many of the pioneers and people who made America prosper were immigrants or born from families that immigrated over here in the beginning of America's history. To credit immigrants for ruining this country is not only moronic, but also shows a total ignorance towards how this country came to be in the first place. None of us are "pure American" (as in our bloodline started in America and continued there), and all of us can be traced back to families from other countries who immigrated here to start a new life.

[+ / –]

I'm not too sure on the finer details but I'm pretty sure he did that to himself in a detention centre a few years ago and when he was the only one granted asylum in Australia, then he sued the people the people who fed the system the money to keep him here.

Why should we the taxpayers fund people who come here, riot against us, sue us, using our money to fund their legal bills and our money as a payout when there are other things that could be addressed? John Howard, two Prime Ministers back set the Naroo Plan that kept them at bay and when Kevin Rudd came into office (Australians should know this name) he scraped it. With the cost of living going up and the introduction of the carbon tax about to be implemented from the first of July, it's going to be harder to keep a citizen alive, and the government gives no crap about their own people. Homelessness is on the rise, and the government wonders why. Because the government is giving a majority of government owned houses to the refugees who get their application accepted, who refuse to work and linger on the dole. I rather pay for some other person who was an Australian citizen for them to sit on their butt on the dole rather than to pay for some refugee's/asylum seeker's legal plight against the country that they should be grateful to be receiving a bed and food from.

And as much as it's harsh it's not racist and sadly it's the truth. A lot of people here are really sick of seeing their tax payers money wasted on these people rather genuine or fakers, should be not be here cos we are not the only country in the world that accepts refugees/asylum seekers.

Wow. Wah fucking wah, your cost of living is going to go up. It's not a big fucking deal. I find it rather sad you would rather NOT have your cost of living go up and pay more taxes than save people from fucking persecution. And even to that end, putting them in detention centers doesn't sound like much of an escape from what they were running from in the first place.

I'm sorry but if your homeless are increasing and you're pissed at the Government for 'making it this way', DO SOMETHING ABOUT IT. Donate to charity. Buy some meals. Do community service.

My family came to the US as a single Air Force pilot, a mother and her 6 children - my uncle, aunts, and mother. They had less than 5 dollars between themselves and now we're all hardworking citizens. If the people of your country can't find a way to work things out with an education and previous job experience, then good. They deserve to be homeless.

You may think I'm generalizing the plight of all the homeless people in Australia. Well guess what?! I AM. Because you're doing the same thing to refugees and asylees in your country.

How would you feel if you and all your loved ones were being persecuted to the point of death or near-death violence and you applied for asylum in another country? And ONLY YOU were accepted? Would you think to yourself, "I'll wait it out with the rest of my family and hope we don't die in the meantime"?

Say you do take that asylee status and leave the rest of your family, friends, and loved ones behind. How would YOU feel about basically abandoning them to death? How would you like to wake up every morning knowing that at the moment you're waking up safe and sound in another country, SOMEONE YOU LOVE COULD BE GETTING TORTURED. OR KILLED. How would you feel about yourself? If you could wake up every morning with a smile on your face after something like that, God help you.

Honestly. You'd rather pay for some lazy-ass citizen who doesn't realize how good he has it just being homeless in a first-world country than to at least give some sort of compensation for a man who has to live with the fact that the woman that he loves and his own kids are left behind in a world where anything could happen to them?

I'm sorry to say this, but the attitude of your people make me sick. Get your shit together. If a kid like me can get a job while still in 8th grade and work my way to a salaried job, they can get off their asses and find something productive to do.

TL;DR There's nothing you can do about the refugees and asylees in your country. Stop blaming them for your fucking issues. If you're not economically where you want to be, get off your fucking ass and do something about it instead of bitching about people who risked their damned lives to get where they are. I'm pretty fucking damned sure that's more important than where your tax money goes. At least you can pay taxes.

EDIT: Corrected a few errors that arose due to this being a mostly anger-fueled emotional outburst.

[El Muerto]

I'm with Minus on this.

[Gloomy Mushroom]

Wow. Wah fucking wah, your cost of living is going to go up. It's not a big fucking deal. I find it rather sad you would rather NOT have your cost of living go up and pay more taxes than save people from fucking persecution. And even to that end, putting them in detention centers doesn't sound like much of an escape from what they were running from in the first place.

I'm sorry but if your homeless are increasing and you're pissed at the Government for 'making it this way', DO SOMETHING ABOUT IT. Donate to charity. Buy some meals. Do community service.

My family came to the US as a single Air Force pilot, a mother and her 6 children - my uncle, aunts, and mother. They had less than 5 dollars between themselves and now we're all hardworking citizens. If the people of your country can't find a way to work things out with an education and previous job experience, then good. They deserve to be homeless.

You may think I'm generalizing the plight of all the homeless people in Australia. Well guess what?! I AM. Because you're doing the same thing to refugees and asylees in your country.

How would you feel if you and all your loved ones were being persecuted to the point of death or near-death violence and you applied for asylum in another country? And ONLY YOU were accepted? Would you think to yourself, "I'll wait it out with the rest of my family and hope we don't die in the meantime"?

Say you do take that asylee status and leave the rest of your family, friends, and loved ones behind. How would YOU feel about basically abandoning them to death? How would you like to wake up every morning knowing that at the moment you're waking up safe and sound in another country, SOMEONE YOU LOVE COULD BE GETTING TORTURED. OR KILLED. How would you feel about yourself? If you could wake up every morning with a smile on your face after something like that, God help you.

Honestly. You'd rather pay for some lazy-ass citizen who doesn't realize how good he has it just being homeless in a first-world country than to at least give some sort of compensation for a man who has to live with the fact that the woman that he loves and his own kids are left behind in a world where anything could happen to them?

I'm sorry to say this, but the attitude of your people make me sick. Get your shit together. If a kid like me can get a job while still in 8th grade and work my way to a salaried job, they can get off their asses and find something productive to do.

TL;DR There's nothing you can do about the refugees and asylees in your country. Stop blaming them for your fucking issues. If you're not economically where you want to be, get off your fucking ass and do something about it instead of bitching about people who risked their damned lives to get where they are. I'm pretty fucking damned sure that's more important than where your tax money goes. At least you can pay taxes.

EDIT: Corrected a few errors that arose due to this being a mostly anger-fueled emotional outburst.

So paying someone to smuggle you in via shipping crates thousands of dollars, from a country that requires you to cross other countries that accepts other refugees/asylum seekers/boat people whatever the hell you want to be called (i.e. Malaysia, Indonesia oh dear the list just goes on T_T) is a justification to coming to our shores illegally and be expected to be welcomed with open arms just because we have a bigger land mass? That's what makes me sick. The same type of people that throw their children overboard (as demonstrated in the Children Overboard scandal a few years ago) into the sea so themselves can get to the shores first and make the boat less crammed cos their children are in the water? I must be the only one repulsed. I really can't see justification to smuggling people in the bottom of an army ship either (yes an army ship, it's corrupt international officers who are paid to smuggle people into our country) making them almost impossible to find when we intercepted their boat and took us three and a half hours to find them. Living in the most inhumane conditions possible all just to get to another country. No that doesn't tell me anything positive about their plight. It just means they are willing to sacrifice their basic human needs to a person trafficker who also is responsible for funding the illegal tobacco industry.

And if we're so fucking terrible for even letting these people for feeding these people/supplying them basic human needs in a detention centre, you should read the links before and see what we are getting in return:

Refugees Wasting More Of Tax Payers Money In Christmas Island (http://www.news.com.au/national/afp-called-in-to-control-detainee-riot-in-christmas-island-detention-centre/story-e6frfkxi-1226073049373)

eBay Australia discussion about how they are suing the people who pay for them to arrive here (http://forums.ebay.com.au/topic/Community-Spirit/Asylum-Seekers-Suing/600139717)


I am sick of seeing these claims from people who are stressed from being in detention centres,they elect to come here by whatever means,protest and then seek clemency,they are illegal emigrants in many cases and are breaking OUR laws.
Can i protest that i have to wait to see a doctor,a dentist or phychiatrist if needed,and not proceed to claim remuneration if not cared for or should i sew up my lips to gain attention and remuneration.
We need to stand up for OUR rights and not pay homage to the claims of these law breakers.
I can only wait for the abuse i will receive for this posting, but i am sorry i am really over the claims and handouts being given.
If i went to Iran or other foreign countries under the same scenario would i be given $0000"s of dollars for compensation and be supported for the rest of my life.....NO.
I am sorry but i am over the whole situation!!!!!!!!

[Harlz]

The same type of people that throw their children overboard (as demonstrated in the Children Overboard scandal a few years ago) into the sea so themselves can get to the shores first and make the boat less crammed cos their children are in the water? I must be the only one repulsed.

I'm repulsed by you repeating John Howards lies.
no children were actually thrown overboard! A senate inquiry and video evidence proved that to be more of the bullshit Howard tried to feed Australians through his entire time in office.
Christ.

[+ / –]

I hate to sound like a douche, but the fact that, upon research, finding what Harlz says is true and that you're basing your whole argument on a Government lie, specifically YOUR preferred government, makes me laugh so hard I can't take you seriously anymore.

[Blackee Dammet]

Christians who say that only Muslims commit terrorist attacks always seem to forget The Crusades.

Hahahahaha.

Oh wow.

[travz21]

I don't really care too much on the issue in America. As long as they aren't freeloading, what's the big deal?

[Gloomy Mushroom]

I'm repulsed by you repeating John Howards lies.
no children were actually thrown overboard! A senate inquiry and video evidence proved that to be more of the bullshit Howard tried to feed Australians through his entire time in office.
Christ.

a) The only thing Howard did right while in office was the Naroo Plan. We didn't have this problem when he was in office in the long years he was in. We accepted the x amount of refugees as agreed with the UN, we played our part and we're still playing it. Lies or not, we didn't have this problem. We had other problems with his government but refugees suing us was not one of them.

b) I supported Rudd in various policies in his election promises but he broke the refugee policy when he got into office and more so Rudd continued labor's trait of being money wasters.


I hate to sound like a douche, but the fact that, upon research, finding what Harlz says is true and that you're basing your whole argument on a Government lie, specifically YOUR preferred government, makes me laugh so hard I can't take you seriously anymore.

Neither of you have retorted/challenged any other part of my reply so I can't take you seriously either.

[Mitch]

Australia, like the USA, has the sovereign right to decide which foreign nationals enter with right to citizenship. The numbers we accept are actually quite low, in the order of a few thousand a year of genuine refugees. The recent governments have used the refugee issue as a political football, completely muddying the whole thing up.

Ordinary Australians do not object to taking in of refugees so long as they do not pose a security threat. It seems to me some of the Iraq and Afghan asylem seekers indeed to pose a certain risk, and their backgrounds need to be checked. Obviously this is the case, but many don't trust the public service bureaucrats to do this competently. We have been taking in refugees since before the Vietnam war. It is important that new arrivals are vetted properly. Our country allows many immigrants per year, probably more in percentage terms than most western countries. Unlike the USA though, we don't allow illegal migrants in to become cheap virtual slave labour.

[Derek The Infamous]

Unlike the USA though, we don't allow illegal migrants in to become cheap virtual slave labour.

Just so there's no misunderstanding, the United States does not legally allow, accept nor condone the employment of illegal immigrants within the United States. Of course, even with that in mind that doesn't keep certain companies and places within our borders from doing it anyway.

Our problem is that we have more people coming into this country illegally than we do legally (asylees, refugees) and we can't keep up with it, or figure out a way to fix the issue and prevent it from happening. Border control has been a hot campaign issue for the last decade, but nothing has came up to fix it.

[Gloomy Mushroom]

Just so there's no misunderstanding, the United States does not legally allow, accept nor condone the employment of illegal immigrants within the United States. Of course, even with that in mind that doesn't keep certain companies and places within our borders from doing it anyway.



Nor do we. Jobs here usually require proof of ID like a driver's licence or something to say that you've been granted permission by the government to work here for x amount of years (Visas).

[Mitch]

Yeh sorry, I was supposed to imply what you said about specific companies employment of illegal immigrants.