A Politician Makes Sense.

[Minus]

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[Nick]

I enjoyed that.

[Louis]

Now that was awesome.

[Cookie Monster]

That's what I call passion.

[Theazninvasion68]

:lol: Quite a passionate guy.

Makes a good point. If you vote no, then JUST VOTE NO. Stalling for months on end is pointless waste of money.

[Benjamin]

That guy has some serious passion.

[Hellions]

To provide context and commentary:

http://www.thedailyshow.com/watch/wed-august-4-2010/i-give-up---9-11-responders-bill?xrs=synd_facebook

^Note Dana Perino's complete missing of the point. And apparently when fellow Fox News anchors like Bill O'Reilly lose their shit and start screaming it's totally A-OK.

I wish I could comment more but in all honesty, right wing tactics and Fox News' bullshit leave me completely speechless other than what I can only describe as urges to emit guttural screams and profanities. If you pricked my finger as I watch a Fox News video you'd be scalded with a stream of highly pressurized, boiling hot blood.

[Jen]

"They went there to save survivors, not to raise taxes." - Rep. Kevin Brady (R) Texas.

o__O

Are you fucking kidding me? Of course they went there to save survivors, that's their jobs. Now our government needs to get off their greedy fucking asses, and do whats right here, and get them the medical attention they need as a result of them doing their jobs. I would love to ask the people that were saved by these firefighters and emergency medical responders what they think of this nonsense. I doubt any of them would mind if their taxes were raised a little to help fund the medical care that these heroes need.

[Hellions]

"They went there to save survivors, not to raise taxes." - Rep. Kevin Brady (R) Texas.

o__O

Are you fucking kidding me? Of course they went there to save survivors, that's their jobs. Now our government needs to get off their greedy fucking asses, and do whats right here, and get them the medical attention they need as a result of them doing their jobs. I would love to ask the people that were saved by these firefighters and emergency medical responders what they think of this nonsense. I doubt any of them would mind if their taxes were raised a little to help fund the medical care that these heroes need.

As Jon Stewart mocked, "I didn't realize they intended to PAY for the bill".

They'll always complain about higher taxes and money coming out of their pockets. "Affordable health care which could ultimately lead to better quality of life for Americans? TAXES? Fuck 'em."

[Jesse]

Also this guy is very passionate, which is awesome.

I really hate Faux News hypocrisy though.

For context.

Fox News went to court to sue for the right to lie to their viewers. Just saying..


Oh and I guess the only TV conservative I enjoy listening to is Colbert.

[Hellions]

Also this guy is very passionate, which is awesome.

I really hate Faux News hypocrisy though.

For context.

Fox News went to court to sue for the right to lie to their viewers. Just saying..


Oh and I guess the only TV conservative I enjoy listening to is Colbert.

Colbert is satirical. Stephen Colbert in the sense of the "Character" that hosts the show is a conservative parody. It's sort of like going "Here's a show from the left point of view, here's a show from the right point of view. Either way we're making fun of (mostly) the right wing" although they take a fair share of jabs at others as well.

[Jesse]

Which is exactly why I like listening to him mate. I only called him conservative for lack of a better word on my part. And it's amazing how he's able to stay in character so easily, I think.

Anyway. Back to my existentialist reading.

[Hellions]

Which is exactly why I like listening to him mate. I only called him conservative for lack of a better word on my part. And it's amazing how he's able to stay in character so easily, I think.

Anyway. Back to my existentialist reading.

Just making sure. The guy's pretty damn convincing. ;)

[Louis]

Just making sure. The guy's pretty damn convincing. ;)

I can't begin to tell you how many conservatives I've talked to who thought Stephen Colbert was truly a conservative. Apparently none of them listened to his speech at the White House Correspondent's Dinner when Bush was President.

I do prefer Jon Stewart though. I think he's a whole lot funnier than Colbert.

[Hellions]

I can't begin to tell you how many conservatives I've talked to who thought Stephen Colbert was truly a conservative. Apparently none of them listened to his speech at the White House Correspondent's Dinner when Bush was President.

I do prefer Jon Stewart though. I think he's a whole lot funnier than Colbert.

I prefer Jon Stewart because you can say a lot more on a subject when you don't have to be tongue-in-cheek and subtle about it. Jon Stewart can really lay into people. Colbert is better for more thought provoking, subtle humor. I think that's why the shows balance each other out so well.

[Saoberlinwaves]

I can't begin to tell you how many conservatives I've talked to who thought Stephen Colbert was truly a conservative. Apparently none of them listened to his speech at the White House Correspondent's Dinner when Bush was President.

I do prefer Jon Stewart though. I think he's a whole lot funnier than Colbert.
Stewart is more of a Leftist than Colbert. Anthony Weiner is a complete idiot, the man is a total leftist, a big government, Marxist hack. This bill didn't pass because the Democrat Party just couldn't resist the temptation to earmark everything and the kitchen sink along with the bill. If they voted on a clean bill, nothing stapled to it, to provide healthcare for 9/11 first responders, it would FLY through the Senate and the House.

[Saoberlinwaves]

As Jon Stewart mocked, "I didn't realize they intended to PAY for the bill".

They'll always complain about higher taxes and money coming out of their pockets. "Affordable health care which could ultimately lead to better quality of life for Americans? TAXES? Fuck 'em."

Nope, government-run health care will decrease the quality of health care for every single American that already has care, it will AT MOST insure an extra 12 million or so people who want insurance, it will redistribute wealth (wait, they want that anyway), and it will destroy the greatest system of health care in the world. The best doctors are here for a reason. Government run health care systems tell doctors where they have to open a practice, greatly reduces the number of people who join the medicine field, and end up bringing a shortage of doctors.

Why is it that Marxist hacks believe it is somehow justified to steal money from hard working Americans and use it for their social engineering projects? The government can't run a damn thing better than the private sector, and the more the government controls the less liberty the people have. Leftism at it's core is anti-freedom. I hate the Republican Party, almost as much as I hate the Democrat Party, so before you jump all over me keep that in mind. Bush was not a conservative whatsoever, and neither are a lot of these phony Neo-Conservative statist hacks. Bush destroyed the image of Conservatism for this generation. Small government protects freedom, large centralized government takes it away.

In the words of the great Ronald Reagan, the last great President this country had, "A government can't control the economy without controlling people. And they know when a government sets out to do that, it must use force and coercion."

COME ON people, THIS is what's coming. The New Left seeks solely to destroy your rights and centralize the government, shifting away from a Republic form of government and towards an authoritarian state. I can't see how anyone continues to support these crooks.

[dereklp]

If any politician is worth watching it's Dennis Kucinich.

[Saoberlinwaves]

If any politician is worth watching it's Dennis Kucinich.

I disagree with that guy on a lot of issues, but I absolutely respect him. He is about as honest and clean as they come. One of few in the democrat party I don't loathe.

Honestly the Tea Party needs to just run the Bush-era Republican party out of business and reclaim America.

[dereklp]

I disagree with that guy on a lot of issues, but I absolutely respect him. He is about as honest and clean as they come. One of few in the democrat party I don't loathe.

Honestly the Tea Party needs to just run the Bush-era Republican party out of business and reclaim America.

I respect him and I'm not even a demo. Not a repub anymore either. I'm sort of stuck in the middle pointing fingers at both and yelling liar! atm. governments are fun.

[Minus]

Saoberlinwaves, I was all prepared to say, "I disagree, but I respect your views and how eloquent you make your arguments," until I saw what appears to be support for the Tea Party. I apologize, but I can't support a movement that is 89% white with a majority being male Republicans over the age of 45 that still believe that Barack Obama was not born in the US. I live in Texas, a decidedly Republican state, and the vast majority of Tea Party supporters that I've run into (which is a great deal) are uninformed and hypocritical. They support finding constitutionality in every law yet default to religious beliefs for things such as gay marriage. Their ideas on simplifying the tax system, while nice in theory, doesn't really work out. They want the code to be limited to the word count of the Constitution. The Constitution is short in that it's a set of guidelines, a framework if you will. When you get into more specific issues such as taxing, the documentation is going to be longer due to it being a very specific system where, if vague and/or shortened due to such a regulation, can be abused.

I consider myself Independent. I primarily lean Democratic because I agree with their issues more, but I don't ascribe myself to that party. From my point of view, the Tea Party just seems all sorts of wrong. I don't agree with most, if not all, of their methods or ideology in that while being theoretically good ideas, would simply not work.

That and I've met quite a few racist Tea Party activists. Being called a Chinese communist trying to bring socialism into America and having soda cans thrown at me kind of makes my bias toward the Tea Party justified.

[Jesse]

Well, Minus, you appear to be a stronger man than I. I could not have made a comment about some of Saoberlinwaves views without obtaining an infraction or possibly an instant ban. I applaud you for keeping the discussion civilized and doing what I could not.

Still, I will try now.

@Sabolinwaves I agree mostly with Minus and have considered myself Independent for a few years. From all the interviews, and some people I have personally met that support the Tea Party , the majority have been misinformed and could even be said to be racists and bigot hypocrites that would find arguments to support their case and ignore the fact that it would be against the values of America and ultimately would not work, and unlike Minus I find that a lot of their ideas are just plain ridiculously awful and upsetting and would lead the USA into a worse off state of desperation that it is in today. And that is all I can say for now but at least I got part of my view across.

[Saoberlinwaves]

Saoberlinwaves, I was all prepared to say, "I disagree, but I respect your views and how eloquent you make your arguments," until I saw what appears to be support for the Tea Party. I apologize, but I can't support a movement that is 89% white with a majority being male Republicans over the age of 45 that still believe that Barack Obama was not born in the US. I live in Texas, a decidedly Republican state, and the vast majority of Tea Party supporters that I've run into (which is a great deal) are uninformed and hypocritical. They support finding constitutionality in every law yet default to religious beliefs for things such as gay marriage. Their ideas on simplifying the tax system, while nice in theory, doesn't really work out. They want the code to be limited to the word count of the Constitution. The Constitution is short in that it's a set of guidelines, a framework if you will. When you get into more specific issues such as taxing, the documentation is going to be longer due to it being a very specific system where, if vague and/or shortened due to such a regulation, can be abused.

I consider myself Independent. I primarily lean Democratic because I agree with their issues more, but I don't ascribe myself to that party. From my point of view, the Tea Party just seems all sorts of wrong. I don't agree with most, if not all, of their methods or ideology in that while being theoretically good ideas, would simply not work.

That and I've met quite a few racist Tea Party activists. Being called a Chinese communist trying to bring socialism into America and having soda cans thrown at me kind of makes my bias toward the Tea Party justified.

The original Tea Party was fantastic before the mainstream Republican party and glenn beck got their hands on it. The core of their message is exactly what America needs, even if half of their supporters are idiots. Better than 99% of their supporters being idiots, which is the case with Organizing for (a Marxist) America.

There are racist people in every group out there, the Tea Party being no exception. But the ethnic frontgroups, ala the NAACP, Lulac, etc, are the BIGGEST racists out there today. To the Left, everything's a race issue and every minority is being discriminated against. It's truly sick.

[Ant]

Saoberlinwaves, I was all prepared to say, "I disagree, but I respect your views and how eloquent you make your arguments," until I saw what appears to be support for the Tea Party. I apologize, but I can't support a movement that is 89% white with a majority being male Republicans over the age of 45 that still believe that Barack Obama was not born in the US. I live in Texas, a decidedly Republican state, and the vast majority of Tea Party supporters that I've run into (which is a great deal) are uninformed and hypocritical. They support finding constitutionality in every law yet default to religious beliefs for things such as gay marriage. Their ideas on simplifying the tax system, while nice in theory, doesn't really work out. They want the code to be limited to the word count of the Constitution. The Constitution is short in that it's a set of guidelines, a framework if you will. When you get into more specific issues such as taxing, the documentation is going to be longer due to it being a very specific system where, if vague and/or shortened due to such a regulation, can be abused.

I consider myself Independent. I primarily lean Democratic because I agree with their issues more, but I don't ascribe myself to that party. From my point of view, the Tea Party just seems all sorts of wrong. I don't agree with most, if not all, of their methods or ideology in that while being theoretically good ideas, would simply not work.

That and I've met quite a few racist Tea Party activists. Being called a Chinese communist trying to bring socialism into America and having soda cans thrown at me kind of makes my bias toward the Tea Party justified.
Whoa, whoa, whoa...

All due respect, but I do not understand your comment. The stance of the Tea Party (which I do not affiliate myself with or agree with on the vast majority of issues) isn't that Obama was not born in the United States. You're talking about a minority in the party who believe that. That's akin to judging all Muslims on the actions of a minority.

And Saoberlinwaves was right about the earmarks. So many bills get earmarked and then the media reports about the primary issue of the bill, not mentioning all the earmarks that have been attached and force a bill to get voted no. It's sensationalism.

[Saoberlinwaves]

The primary reason I loathe the democrat party is because they LOVE to divide this nation on racial lines and they LIVE off playing class warfare games... it's so pathetic... Every damn issue is "discrimination" and all they seek to do is achieve "social justice" AKA Marxism and redistributing the wealth via centralized, overpowered government

[Dean]

The primary reason I loathe the democrat party is because they LOVE to divide this nation on racial lines and they LIVE off playing class warfare games... it's so pathetic... Every damn issue is "discrimination" and all they seek to do is achieve "social justice" AKA Marxism and redistributing the wealth via centralized, overpowered government
You throw the term "Marxism" around a lot when describing the Democratic Party... from what I know, at the most they're probably somewhat influenced by Marxism. I know that sort of comes down to semantics, and it probably isn't really my place to argue with you about most of the things you're saying at the moment, if indeed there is anything to argue about. Just figured I'd point that out. :P

[Todd]

It's the Democratic Party. Not the Democrat Party. You don't see people calling the GOP the Republic Party.

[Derek The Infamous]

Racial lines? Dividing the nation?

What about the people who say obama wasn't born in this country, or that he's a Muslim (thus disrespecting a whole religion)?

What about the idiots currently trying to destroy the constitution by saying we shouldn't allow an american citizen to follow the law, by building a COMMUNITY CENTER (not a mosque!) four blocks away from the WTC on private property?

The Republican party is no better than those Democrats you speak of, and I know this being a former GOPer who has now gone independant.

At least democrats respect the constitution and Obama's defense of it (well most of them anyways), can't say the same about Republicans.

[Ant]

The Republican party is no better than those Democrats you speak of, and I know this being a former GOPer who has now gone independant.

At least democrats respect the constitution and Obama's defense of it (well most of them anyways), can't say the same about Republicans.
Agreed that the Republican party is no better. Both sides do some pretty darn despicable things.

About respecting the constitution -- I honestly think that regardless of party or anything, everyone in Congress respects the constitution, they just have different interpretations and different ways to improve upon it.

[Derek The Infamous]

True, but the fact is...this whole mosque debate is pretty pointless. It's not a mosque, it's a community center with a basketball court etc that just happens to have a place to pray. Not only that, but it's private property which constitutionally gives the people who own that lot the right to build a community center as they please.

And no...it's not at Ground Zero. It's several streets away. President Obama was absolutely right in saying we must respect their rights as AMERICAN CITIZENS to build the community center, regardless of how some may feel about it being put there.

The only reason why there's such public sentiment about it is because you have people like Sarah Palin spouting complete disinformation about it and making it seem like the center is being built right in the hole where the first tower fell. I swear if that woman ever becomes president I'm going to kill myself. She's just Like Giuliani, everything out of her mouth is a noun, a verb, and 9/11.

Woman president? Yes please. Sarah Palin? Oh god no.

[Ant]

True, but the fact is...this whole mosque debate is pretty pointless. It's not a mosque, it's a community center with a basketball court etc that just happens to have a place to pray. Not only that, but it's private property which constitutionally gives the people who own that lot the right to build a community center as they please.

And no...it's not at Ground Zero. It's several streets away. President Obama was absolutely right in saying we must respect their rights as AMERICAN CITIZENS to build the community center, regardless of how some may feel about it being put there.

The only reason why there's such public sentiment about it is because you have people like Sarah Palin spouting complete disinformation about it and making it seem like the center is being built right in the hole where the first tower fell. I swear if that woman ever becomes president I'm going to kill myself. She's just Like Giuliani, everything out of her mouth is a noun, a verb, and 9/11.

Woman president? Yes please. Sarah Palin? Oh god no.
Yeah, I'm with you on the mosque. It's just another place of worship, and to imply it's wrong because some people in the extreme Muslim minority did something reprehensible in the general vicinity makes no sense. I can somewhat understand the point that it may be perceived as tasteless when they could build it elsewhere (and not where that incident unfortunately involving their religion took place), but com'n -- it's prime real estate, and there are churches in that area. I don't see how it diminishes anything.

Sarah Palin actually made a somewhat intelligent argument against it, I don't recall what it was, though. Rare for her to make an intelligent point, haha

[Saoberlinwaves]

It's the Democratic Party. Not the Democrat Party. You don't see people calling the GOP the Republic Party.

I call them the Democrat party because it's demeaning and it irritates them

[Saoberlinwaves]

Racial lines? Dividing the nation?

What about the people who say obama wasn't born in this country, or that he's a Muslim (thus disrespecting a whole religion)?

What about the idiots currently trying to destroy the constitution by saying we shouldn't allow an american citizen to follow the law, by building a COMMUNITY CENTER (not a mosque!) four blocks away from the WTC on private property?

The Republican party is no better than those Democrats you speak of, and I know this being a former GOPer who has now gone independant.

At least democrats respect the constitution and Obama's defense of it (well most of them anyways), can't say the same about Republicans.

Democrats respect the constitution? LOLOL, well the old ones did, but the New Left loathes the Constitution and loathes our founding values. There's kooks in every group in America, but the core message of Conservatism is limited government and protecting freedom.... The core message of Leftism is big, authoritarian government and limited freedoms.

[Saoberlinwaves]

Yeah, I'm with you on the mosque. It's just another place of worship, and to imply it's wrong because some people in the extreme Muslim minority did something reprehensible in the general vicinity makes no sense. I can somewhat understand the point that it may be perceived as tasteless when they could build it elsewhere (and not where that incident unfortunately involving their religion took place), but com'n -- it's prime real estate, and there are churches in that area. I don't see how it diminishes anything.

Sarah Palin actually made a somewhat intelligent argument against it, I don't recall what it was, though. Rare for her to make an intelligent point, haha

The thing is, nobody is arguing that they don't have the right to build it according to the Constitution. However, there are zoning laws that could have said this is not an acceptable location... The ONLY reason they're putting it there is to provoke... If they wanted to build bridges with the Judeo-Christian West, they would not be putting a megamosque two blocks from the World Trade Center... Also, the Imam who is building this mosque is shady at best... He has said some very questionable things in the past about America, including that he wants us to become more "Sharia-compliant"... And he refuses to disclose where the funding is coming from... It is NOt unconstitutional to build it there, but it is CERTAINLY wrong to do so. If the idea of a megamosque two blocks from ground zero, on a site where landing gear fell and damaged the building that day, doesn't boil your blood then i don't know what will. It's just disgusting.

[Saoberlinwaves]

Racial lines? Dividing the nation?

What about the people who say obama wasn't born in this country, or that he's a Muslim (thus disrespecting a whole religion)?

What about the idiots currently trying to destroy the constitution by saying we shouldn't allow an american citizen to follow the law, by building a COMMUNITY CENTER (not a mosque!) four blocks away from the WTC on private property?

The Republican party is no better than those Democrats you speak of, and I know this being a former GOPer who has now gone independant.

At least democrats respect the constitution and Obama's defense of it (well most of them anyways), can't say the same about Republicans.

And about the racial lines thing... EVERY single issue is a damn race issue for this administration, specifically the Department of Justice under Holder... The whole leftist mindset is seeing every issue through the race goggles... Then they send out their mob of nutjob journalists and media personnel with these psychotic claims that everything about the GOP and conservatives is racist.... gimme a damn break... Jesse Jerkson and Al Sharpton are the two biggest racists in the country, and complete hacks for the democrat party, yet for some reason we always put the two idiots on TV so they can spew their racial hate every time there's an ounce of opposition to chancellor Obama

[Saoberlinwaves]

I'll tell ya this, if we aren't able to reclaim the judiciary and the education system, our future is a dark one. Or should I say a Red one??? The schools, especially our nation's universities, are run by absolute Marxist nutjobs... I work in a college bookstore selling textbooks, and to be honest for some of the books I see, they might as well be having the students real the Communist manifesto... for every book I see about the Constitution, about the Republic, freedom, etc (positive books about America) I see a hundred books that are hating America, our political and economic systems, hating on the free market, etc... They might as well be reading Saul Alinsky, because it's the nutjob wing of the democrat party that controls the universities.

[Todd]

I call them the Democrat party because it's demeaning and it irritates them

And that makes you look childish and immature.

[Saoberlinwaves]

And that makes you look childish and immature.

I'm supposed to care what anyone in the Saul Alinsky Democrat Party thinks of me? The Bill Clinton Democrat Party is dead, they have lost the independent vote as well as the Reagan Democrat vote. The moderates didn't vote for this crap, they voted against Bush. I was left of center until Obama was elected... If this country wasn't so blinded by their Bush hate we would have seen Obama for what he is--- a Far-Left, Socialist, Pseudo-Statist attempting to pull off a silent and gradual coup.

The American people would never re-elect far-left nutjobs, so it's impossible to get them into most elected offices for more than a short period of time. So the Left does their business through the bureaucracy (ex. using the EPA to get their Crap and Tax without legislative action), they have infected the education system from top to bottom, and they put these activist judges with zero regard for the constitution and for our founding values on the appointed courts. It's right in front of your damn eyes and it bothers me that most people don't see it, or just don't give a damn.

And the Republican party is a joke too, but at this point we have to channel through them because they're the only option.... America cannot take another two years of a Pelosi-controlled Democrat congress, and we certainly can't take another six years of the chancellor in chief Barack Hussein Obama... He ran on "Change".... And he sure as hell is delivering on that... "Change" is bad when you are moving the country away from the free market, away from a Constitutional Republic form of government, and towards a Statist, Authoritarian system of government.

To put it simply, WE HAVE A PRESIDENT WHOSE PHILOSIPHY IS CLOSER TO MARX THAN IT IS TO JEFFERSON. If that doesn't scare the daylights out of you then I don't know what will. America is the ONLY true free country in the world. This is the last remaining true free market. And the chancellor in chief is doing everything he can to eliminate the ONLY remaining beacon for freedom in this world. I hope the Republicans move to impeach when they take over in January. Don't think there's anything to impeach him on?

http://canadafreepress.com/index.php/article/25831

The man should be in a jumpsuit

[Ant]

The thing is, nobody is arguing that they don't have the right to build it according to the Constitution. However, there are zoning laws that could have said this is not an acceptable location... The ONLY reason they're putting it there is to provoke... If they wanted to build bridges with the Judeo-Christian West, they would not be putting a megamosque two blocks from the World Trade Center... Also, the Imam who is building this mosque is shady at best... He has said some very questionable things in the past about America, including that he wants us to become more "Sharia-compliant"... And he refuses to disclose where the funding is coming from... It is NOt unconstitutional to build it there, but it is CERTAINLY wrong to do so. If the idea of a megamosque two blocks from ground zero, on a site where landing gear fell and damaged the building that day, doesn't boil your blood then i don't know what will. It's just disgusting.
Who is "they"? It's a religion. It's global. "They" aren't solely representative from a single location. "They" are Americans in this instance, just as Christians are Americans, Jews are Americans, etc.

They're not putting it there to provoke, and I'd love to see any evidence that advances your claim. It is not wrong to build the mosque there. You say all these things that I hear all the time, but you know what? When you research it, your claims have no validity.

[Derek The Infamous]

He's a Republican. Republicans debate by throwing insults around, calling everyone who doesn't agree with them a "socialist" or a "maxist", and making completely paranoid claims without any research or actual knowledge to back it up.

The "reagan" party isn't around anymore, and hasn't existed since Bush. The Republican party used to stand for something important. It used to be an escape from hypocrites like Joe Lieberman and dare I say Al Gore. Now its full of idiots like Bush, Limbaugh, Palin, Boehner and other assholes who are bringing the country down.

And judging by the posts I've read above, the intelligence of the party has suffered greatly as well.

[Saoberlinwaves]

Who is "they"? It's a religion. It's global. "They" aren't solely representative from a single location. "They" are Americans in this instance, just as Christians are Americans, Jews are Americans, etc.

They're not putting it there to provoke, and I'd love to see any evidence that advances your claim. It is not wrong to build the mosque there. You say all these things that I hear all the time, but you know what? When you research it, your claims have no validity.
Uh, Huffington Post and Daily Kos don't count as sources lol.

If this group of Muslims wanted to build bridges and promote positive relations, they would never even consider putting this megamosque two blocks from the site of where 3000 innocent American civilians were killed by terrorists in the name of Islam. We hear all this constant whining about the Right being "insensitive"... This is beyond insensitive, it's meant to provoke and claim victory.

[Todd]

He's a Republican. Republicans debate by throwing insults around, calling everyone who doesn't agree with them a "socialist" or a "maxist", and making completely paranoid claims without any research or actual knowledge to back it up.


That's all teabaggers can do. Throw around insults and "isms". That's it. I have yet to see one teabagger form a factual, intelligent point in a debate. Other than calling Obama a socialist, marxist, Kenyan, Muslim or the n-word, they've got nothing. Nevermind the fact that unless you make over $250,000 (which I doubt anyone here does) that your taxes will be cut, or the fact that it was Bush and the republicans in Congress who ran up the deficit with two wars and the bank bailout, and gave tax cuts to the rich at the expense of the middle class, the teabaggers don't care about the facts. It's just "Marxist this" and "Muslim that" when they hold up their stupid signs at their teabagging parties.

And I'm sure you don't mind me calling you people teabaggers. After all, if you're going to call it the Democrat Party because "it's demeaning and it irritates them" then I'm sure you don't mind if I do the same for that reason.


Uh, Huffington Post and Daily Kos don't count as sources lol.

If this group of Muslims wanted to build bridges and promote positive relations, they would never even consider putting this megamosque two blocks from the site of where 3000 innocent American civilians were killed by terrorists in the name of Islam. We hear all this constant whining about the Right being "insensitive"... This is beyond insensitive, it's meant to provoke and claim victory.

The "Ground Zero Mosque" is neither at Ground Zero or a mosque. It's a community center. You know, like the JCCA or the YMCA. I'm sure you've heard of them, especially the YMCA. There was a song written about it. The J in JCCA stands for Jewish, and the C in YMCA stands for Christian. So this is the same thing, but for Muslims. It's not a mosque. Oh, and by the way, there are already actual mosques near ground zero. They've been there for years.

[Saoberlinwaves]

He's a Republican. Republicans debate by throwing insults around, calling everyone who doesn't agree with them a "socialist" or a "maxist", and making completely paranoid claims without any research or actual knowledge to back it up.

The "reagan" party isn't around anymore, and hasn't existed since Bush. The Republican party used to stand for something important. It used to be an escape from hypocrites like Joe Lieberman and dare I say Al Gore. Now its full of idiots like Bush, Limbaugh, Palin, Boehner and other assholes who are bringing the country down.

And judging by the posts I've read above, the intelligence of the party has suffered greatly as well.

I'm not a Republican. I'm a diehard Constitutional Conservative. Bush was not a good Conservative at all. He spent like a democrat.

I don't particularly like Sarah Palin, but I'd vote for her in a heartbeat if she ran against the high chancellor.

How can a Conservative do ANYTHING to bring the country down, as you suggested some of them are? The Conservative message is to PROTECT the Republic as it is, and as it was founded... The Left's message is to transform it into a pseudo-Marxist, authoritarian, big government state. By definition, the Leftist agenda is anti-American.

Al Gore is one of the most disgusting people on the Left, I'm glad he wasn't President. And to be honest, I'm glad McCain lost in 2008... we didn't need another phony conservative like him... The Obama election is exposing liberalism for what it is--- STATISM... People said that Conservatism was dead just 18 months ago, and at this point I'm not sure it's ever been stronger. People are taking a renewed interest in the Constitution, in the founding fathers, and the Democrat party has probably lost the moderate swing vote for at least a decade.

Replace. Restore. Repeal. Starts in November and we will fight this with all we've got until January 20, 2013... This new brand of Conservatives is very promising, much more so than the Bush-era morons.... Rubio, Angle, Rand Paul, and a handful of others are the future of this movement... Bachmann is gem as well... These are true fiscal consevatives, limited government conservatives... If they put up a half-decent Conservative in 2012 it will be a landslide victory for the GOP... Hell even in California we've got Fiorina leading in some of the polls over that nutjob Barbara Boxer... Massachusetts elected a Republican to the Senate for the first time in decades... This country is souring towards the Libs VERY fast.

Oh and one more point... Compare a Reagan speech to an Obama speech... in fact compare a speech from ANY conservative to an Obama speech... Reagan constantly talked UP America, talked UP freedom, he seemed to really revere the people.... Every Obama speech is bashing this country, whining about what's wrong with our system, apologizing for our past and talking about what he wants to change... You EVER heard this clown talk up the heart of this country? NEVER. He hates this country as it was and still is (sort of is), he is elected to an office that is meant for someone who wants to PROTECT the Republic, not transform it.

Don't worry, in 2013 he can go back to the south side of my hometown, Chicago, and go back to being a community organizer, whatever the hell that means

[Saoberlinwaves]

That's all teabaggers can do. Throw around insults and "isms".
And I'm sure you don't mind me calling you people teabaggers. After all, if you're going to call it the Democrat Party because "it's demeaning and it irritates them" then I'm sure you don't mind if I do the same for that reason.


You can call us whatever you want. Pretty soon it will be Speaker Boehner and two years from then we will restore the Presidency. This little "Hope and Change" experiment is over. REAL Hope and REAL Change is coming, and the nutjobs on the Left aren't gonna like it. In fact, I hope Palin wins just so Chris Matthews puts himself out of his misery. I'd love to be watching MSLSD's broadcast that election night (I'd be the only one watching too lol)

And those "Obama Tax Cuts" are another lie. EVERYONE'S TAXES go up one second after midnight, New Year's Day when the Bush Tax Cuts expire. The 250,000 number is a lie, if you have a small business that brings in more than that then you don't qualify. And if they add a VAT tax, then everybody's taxes are going up. And if the enviro-facists get their way and we have a Carbon tax, uh then our taxes go up... The social engineers on the Left want to control every aspect of our lives, and tax/regulate everything, and it's just sickening. Want a nanny state government? Go live in Europe. That's what theyre about over there. That is NOT America, leave my country alone.

[Dean]

Is all of the USA stuck in the '50s or is it just this guy?

[Saoberlinwaves]

Is all of the USA stuck in the '50s or is it just this guy?

In the 50's, if you associated with as many Communists and radical nutjobs Leftists as Barack Hussein Obama has and still does, you'd be under FBI surveillance... I love how Leftists always say Conservatives want to revert back to the old ways... WHAT'S WRONG WITH THAT??? We need to STICK to our American values, stand up for liberty, and REJECT this statist, authoritarian shift the Left is bringing to America.

[Jeff]

The discussion up above and previous pages is EXACTLY why I tend to stay out of politics :lol:

[Derek The Infamous]

Is all of the USA stuck in the '50s or is it just this guy?
Just that guy.

Listen saoberlinwaves, we're all for free speech here on LPA and support a healthy debate every once and a while, but you are completely bat shit crazy. When you learn that the Cold War is over, and climb out of that bomb shelter of yours please let me know.

Till then, I'm out of this thread. I'm done debating with someone who refuses to research the facts and instead spouts bullshit based on personal feelings. If you'd remove your aluminum foil hat for just a second, you'd see that Sarah Palin is nothing more than a media whoring, psychopathic, attention seeking bitch who would do/say anything the Republican party tells her to do, and is incapable of thinking for herself. Hell, she aligned herself alongside those crackpots in the tea-party until it damaged her "public image" and she separated herself from them to save face. Not only that she has her own TV show now, and is basically obsessed with the limelight. She claims to be full of family values, and a "model American" and yet she can't even prevent her daughter from spreading her legs and getting pregnant out of wedlock.

She's a virus, and I hate John McCain daily for unleashing such a low-IQ pile of trash on this world. I think even McCain regrets the monster he's created.

Like I said earlier: Woman president? Yes. Sarah Palin? FUCK. NO.

[Saoberlinwaves]

Just that guy.

Listen saoberlinwaves, we're all for free speech here on LPA and support a healthy debate every once and a while, but you are completely bat shit crazy. When you learn that the Cold War is over, and climb out of that bomb shelter of yours please let me know.

Till then, I'm out of this thread. I'm done debating with someone who refuses to research the facts and instead spouts bullshit based on personal feelings. If you'd remove your aluminum foil hat for just a second, you'd see that Sarah Palin is nothing more than a media whoring, psychopathic, attention seeking bitch who would do/say anything the Republican party tells her to do, and is incapable of thinking for herself. Hell, she aligned herself alongside those crackpots in the tea-party until it damaged her "public image" and she separated herself from them to save face. Not only that she has her own TV show now, and is basically obsessed with the limelight. She claims to be full of family values, and a "model American" and yet she can't even prevent her daughter from spreading her legs and getting pregnant out of wedlock.

She's a virus, and I hate John McCain daily for unleashing such a low-IQ pile of trash on this world. I think even McCain regrets the monster he's created.

Like I said earlier: Woman president? Yes. Sarah Palin? FUCK. NO.

I think as a politician she's pathetic but it couldn't possibly be worse than Obama. At least with Palin I agree with her on most of the issues ideologically... I'd vote for a box of frosted flakes if it ran against Obama, that's where I'm at. Heck I'd vote for Hillary... And if things keep going downhill for Obama, she will make a primary run in 2012 and probably win. Heck, the Clintons look like George Washington compared to Barack.

[Dean]

Listen saoberlinwaves, we're all for free speech here on LPA and support a healthy debate every once and a while, but you are completely bat shit crazy. When you learn that the Cold War is over, and climb out of that bomb shelter of yours please let me know.
That's exactly what I was thinking. The amount of paranoia here makes my head spin.

[Jesse]

Just that guy.

Listen saoberlinwaves, we're all for free speech here on LPA and support a healthy debate every once and a while, but you are completely bat shit crazy. When you learn that the Cold War is over, and climb out of that bomb shelter of yours please let me know.

Till then, I'm out of this thread. I'm done debating with someone who refuses to research the facts and instead spouts bullshit based on personal feelings. If you'd remove your aluminum foil hat for just a second, you'd see that Sarah Palin is nothing more than a media whoring, psychopathic, attention seeking bitch who would do/say anything the Republican party tells her to do, and is incapable of thinking for herself. Hell, she aligned herself alongside those crackpots in the tea-party until it damaged her "public image" and she separated herself from them to save face. Not only that she has her own TV show now, and is basically obsessed with the limelight. She claims to be full of family values, and a "model American" and yet she can't even prevent her daughter from spreading her legs and getting pregnant out of wedlock.

She's a virus, and I hate John McCain daily for unleashing such a low-IQ pile of trash on this world. I think even McCain regrets the monster he's created.

Like I said earlier: Woman president? Yes. Sarah Palin? FUCK. NO.

I agree 100% with you. I can't take anything that guy says seriously and I just can't help but to laugh somewhat hysterically at someone who honestly hopes for Palin to win a presidential election.

So instead of typing a very long reply to the guy I'm going to take your cue and just ditch this thread and leave his empty words to hang in dead air because he sure as hell can't back up anything that he spits out. It's total non-sense and in my opinion the more anti-American than anyone else in this thread so far.

And I know he's probably going to comment me and give some "facts" that are just more paranoid bullshit that comes out of his mouth instead of the other way around.

Pretty fucking crazy if you ask me.

[Ant]

He's a Republican. Republicans debate by throwing insults around, calling everyone who doesn't agree with them a "socialist" or a "maxist", and making completely paranoid claims without any research or actual knowledge to back it up.

The "reagan" party isn't around anymore, and hasn't existed since Bush. The Republican party used to stand for something important. It used to be an escape from hypocrites like Joe Lieberman and dare I say Al Gore. Now its full of idiots like Bush, Limbaugh, Palin, Boehner and other assholes who are bringing the country down.

And judging by the posts I've read above, the intelligence of the party has suffered greatly as well.
Both parties throw names around. I don't think either party is any more logical than the other, generally speaking.

I thought John McCain was a superb choice for President, and I think the race would've been far closer if he hadn't made the bonehead move of picking Palin as his runningmate. He should've went with someone like Mitt Romney. McCain had many amazing ideas about fixing our economic situation, and I loved his stance on pork belly spending and earmarks. I think he tried to pander to the radical conservatives in the Republican party too much when he was an amazing candidate without doing that. I find it funny when I hear people say, "Well would you have rather had McCain? He was an idiot!" and stuff like that when they don't know a single stance he had.

I don't think the intelligence of the party has suffered, I think there's simply a whole lot of people giving the Republican party a bad name because they're more vocal -- idiots like the people at Fox News, for instance.

[Derek The Infamous]

I honestly kind of liked the old John McCain more than the one we saw in 2008. He kind of changed from who he was back when Bush was campaigning and it was kind of a bummer. I definitely would've considered voting for McCain if he was the same in 2008 as he was back then. Remember, I was a Republican until I voted for Obama. I wasn't a fan of Clinton, and didn't like Gore/Lieberman. Obama however, seemed way more enticing to me than having that crackpot Palin a heartbeat away from the presidency.

[Benjamin]

I honestly kind of liked the old John McCain more than the one we saw in 2008. He kind of changed from who he was back when Bush was campaigning and it was kind of a bummer. I definitely would've considered voting for McCain if he was the same in 2008 as he was back then. Remember, I was a Republican until I voted for Obama. I wasn't a fan of Clinton, and didn't like Gore/Lieberman. Obama however, seemed way more enticing to me than having that crackpot Palin a heartbeat away from the presidency.

Haha this.

[Saoberlinwaves]

Both parties throw names around. I don't think either party is any more logical than the other, generally speaking.

I thought John McCain was a superb choice for President, and I think the race would've been far closer if he hadn't made the bonehead move of picking Palin as his runningmate. He should've went with someone like Mitt Romney. McCain had many amazing ideas about fixing our economic situation, and I loved his stance on pork belly spending and earmarks. I think he tried to pander to the radical conservatives in the Republican party too much when he was an amazing candidate without doing that. I find it funny when I hear people say, "Well would you have rather had McCain? He was an idiot!" and stuff like that when they don't know a single stance he had.

I don't think the intelligence of the party has suffered, I think there's simply a whole lot of people giving the Republican party a bad name because they're more vocal -- idiots like the people at Fox News, for instance.

McCain should have been President in 2000 instead of Bush. I agree with Derek that the old McCain was better than the new one, but at the end of the day he's still a halfhearted Conservative who loves to pander to the Left... But I'd absolutely support him and vote for him running against Barack. I agree with Palin on a good portion of the issues, and she's a solid conservative, but I just don't think she's bright at all and isn't cut out for a President/VP role...

Clinton at least was a competent leader, he started off his term pushing a pretty Leftist agenda but after the GOP took over the House in 1994 with their Contract With America, Clinton came back to the center and governed as an effective moderate... Clinton shrank the welfare state massively, and didn't spend nearly as much as Barry O is.... As there were Reagan Democrats, there were also Clinton Conservatives... as much as a sleezeball as he is, he was a decent President... In a political sense (Lewinsky aside), the Clinton White House wasn't the circus that this one is.

And I didn't like Bush, I thought he was incompetent, but I'm unbelievably glad he defeated Gore in 2000... I cannot imagine where this country would be and how we would have responded to 9/11 if that enviro nutjob was our commander in chief.... Bush was not a great President but he has my respect for carrying this country through the darkest times we have possibly ever seen... His oval office speech from the night of 9/11 still to this day gives me the chills, that has to be one of the best Presidential speeches in our history.

[Saoberlinwaves]

Haha this.

I'd rather have an idiot with good intentions than a genius with sinister ones. If she runs in 2012 (please no), I'll vote for her. If Barack keeps this up, even Palin might be able to beat him in 2012

[Shayan86]

Politician = Liar

End of the story.

[Saoberlinwaves]

Politician = Liar

End of the story.

There's some good ones out there. Most are in it for themselves and their own agenda, but every now and then you come across someone with a very normal-sized ego who is a true patriot. We haven't seen one of these in the White House in years. The last President that would actually speak to the people as if he was speaking across the dinner table was Reagan. Bush tried to, but came off as an idiot because he has the speaking skills of the average American after five or so shots of whiskey

[Shayan86]

Patriotism is a fake concept. Basically, there's no difference between being born in one part of the world or in another, other than by being born in a specific country you speak the language and get used to the surroundings. And there's no honest politician in the whole world, politics defy honesty.

[Saoberlinwaves]

Patriotism is a fake concept. Basically, there's no difference between being born in one part of the world or in another, other than by being born in a specific country you speak the language and get used to the surroundings. And there's no honest politician in the whole world, politics defy honesty.

Actually there's a big difference. The American spirit and our ideology is vastly different from most of Europe and the rest of the world. The American system is more centered around the freedom and rights of the individual.

America is a sovereign nation. I don't give a damn what the UN thinks of us, or quite frankly what any other country thinks of us. Europe's economy is failing, the welfare states are collapsing, that system does not work. And if it wasn't for the US's willingness to go overseas and defend freedom abroad, the Western World would cease to exist.

[Saoberlinwaves]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7wusgcG4rfo&feature=player_embedded

Compare Reagan to the others in the video... which of these sounds patriotic, which speaks positively about the US, and which sounds inspiring? And which one sounds childish, anti-American, and authoritarian?

[Shayan86]

Actually there's a big difference. The American spirit and our ideology is vastly different from most of Europe and the rest of the world. The American system is more centered around the freedom and rights of the individual.

America is a sovereign nation. I don't give a damn what the UN thinks of us, or quite frankly what any other country thinks of us. Europe's economy is failing, the welfare states are collapsing, that system does not work. And if it wasn't for the US's willingness to go overseas and defend freedom abroad, the Western World would cease to exist.

The American spirit and ideology is not different from Europe, at least not as much as you think it is. And you're delusional if you think the American system is centered around freedom and rights of the individual more than any other country in the world. Go to Scandinavian countries, Switzerland or Netherlands and then you will realise what freedom is. And seems like you are not aware that the credit crunch and economic crisis in the world started from US. US's willingness to defend freedom? You mean all the blood of innocent people that's been spilled in Iraq and Afghanistan and previously Vietnam, and hundreds of thousands of civilians that burnt in Nagasaki and Hiroshima all were for the sake of defending freedom? You're just another guy who thinks USA is the world with no specific knowledge about history or any respect for other nations whatsoever, no point in having a debate with you. Good thing is, the majority of American people are much more intelligent than that and didn't have the same opinions as yours and voted for Obama, and thank Goodness for that.

[Derek The Infamous]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7wusgcG4rfo&feature=player_embedded

Compare Reagan to the others in the video... which of these sounds patriotic, which speaks positively about the US, and which sounds inspiring? And which one sounds childish, anti-American, and authoritarian?

You are aware any, and I mean any video can be edited to make someone sound like a saint or a devil right?

[Ant]

I don't get why people are so hung up on Reagan. He was a good President, a great man -- don't get me wrong -- but he wasn't the end-all-be-all, and a Republican doesn't have to emulate him to be a great President or a great candidate. I hate it when people ask Presidential candidates (of the Republican party), "what makes you like Ronald Reagan?" Does it really matter? Hell, Reaganomics are utterly stupid, as most economists will attest to. Trickle down doesn't work.

So, yes, while he was a great guy and a good President, people need to stop declaring that to be a good member of the Republican party you have to emulate him.

@ Derek: Yeah, that's what I meant -- McCain, in my opinion, was the best candidate in the 2004 election. Bush just killed him when the whole (erroneous) rumors of him fathering a black child out of wedlock came about. He was like that at the start of the 2008 election, but he tried to pander too much to the conservative group of Republicans for their large amount of votes. I still like his ideas, though, and think he's a great, classy politician.

[Dean]

Politician = Liar

End of the story.


And there's no honest politician in the whole world, politics defy honesty.

I wouldn't say so, I understand it's easy to be cynical about this sort of thing though.

[Shayan86]

I wouldn't say so, I understand it's easy to be cynical about this sort of thing though.

My job is completely related to politics, and I have been dealing with politicians for nearly 6 years. I can honestly tell you a politician is a liar, although I wouldn't blame them that much, it's hard to survive in the world of politicis without lying.

[Dean]

My job is completely related to politics, and I have been dealing with politicians for nearly 6 years. I can honestly tell you a politician is a liar, although I wouldn't blame them that much, it's hard to survive in the world of politicis without lying.
I guess I meant to say or at least add that there's a difference between being flat out dishonest and evil like that, and the sort of pragmatic lying and spin where its existence is kind of a moot point whether you like it or not. But yeah, there are still people with honest intentions and principles in politics in any case, and while the amount of them is debatable I can say that whether or not I have a job in politics myself.

[Shayan86]

That's exactly the point, some of them are honest people who have to do dishonest jobs, hence why I said politics defy honesty.

[Saoberlinwaves]

I don't get why people are so hung up on Reagan. He was a good President, a great man -- don't get me wrong -- but he wasn't the end-all-be-all, and a Republican doesn't have to emulate him to be a great President or a great candidate. I hate it when people ask Presidential candidates (of the Republican party), "what makes you like Ronald Reagan?" Does it really matter? Hell, Reaganomics are utterly stupid, as most economists will attest to. Trickle down doesn't work.

So, yes, while he was a great guy and a good President, people need to stop declaring that to be a good member of the Republican party you have to emulate him.

@ Derek: Yeah, that's what I meant -- McCain, in my opinion, was the best candidate in the 2004 election. Bush just killed him when the whole (erroneous) rumors of him fathering a black child out of wedlock came about. He was like that at the start of the 2008 election, but he tried to pander too much to the conservative group of Republicans for their large amount of votes. I still like his ideas, though, and think he's a great, classy politician.

Reagan's demeanor and his love for this country were what made him so special. Every time he spoke he lifted up the American people, much like FDR. I don't like FDR's domestic policy, or the fact that he pulled off the most blatantly unconstitutional act any US president has ever done (imprisoning hundreds of thousands of Japanese Americans, many citizens), but the one thing I love about FDR is the way he spoke up the American spirit during World War 2. Reagan did the same thing. Reagan's speeches make you want to love this country and love its values. Obama's either make you want to kill yourself (if you're a conservative) or become a community organizer nutjob working for ACORN and Organizing for America (if you're a drone)... Reagan raised the American spirit and never stopped complimenting America, Obama does the EXACT opposite. The guy can't make it through 2 minutes of a speech without bashing America in some way, shape, or form.

[Dean]

That's exactly the point, some of them are honest people who have to do dishonest jobs, hence why I said politics defy honesty.
Fair enough then. :)

[Ant]

Reagan's demeanor and his love for this country were what made him so special. Every time he spoke he lifted up the American people, much like FDR. I don't like FDR's domestic policy, or the fact that he pulled off the most blatantly unconstitutional act any US president has ever done (imprisoning hundreds of thousands of Japanese Americans, many citizens), but the one thing I love about FDR is the way he spoke up the American spirit during World War 2. Reagan did the same thing. Reagan's speeches make you want to love this country and love its values. Obama's either make you want to kill yourself (if you're a conservative) or become a community organizer nutjob working for ACORN and Organizing for America (if you're a drone)... Reagan raised the American spirit and never stopped complimenting America, Obama does the EXACT opposite. The guy can't make it through 2 minutes of a speech without bashing America in some way, shape, or form.
Reagan was a well-known actor, of course he was a good speaker and good at communicating with the public. Obama's main problem is he won't stop blaming everything on the previous administration, which the public is started to get tired of. At the beginning of his presidency, sure, he could get by with saying that stuff. But now? People are just tired of it and want results. But every president we've had has loved our country, I'm not sure how you could claim otherwise.

[Jeff]

. I don't like FDR's domestic policy, or the fact that he pulled off the most blatantly unconstitutional act any US president has ever done (imprisoning hundreds of thousands of Japanese Americans, many citizens)

It wasn't FDRs fault that people misunderstood what Executive Order 9066 was all about. Nowhere in the Order directly said Japanese Americans. Its just after the attack on Pearl Harbor, many Americans panicked, and so when the Order was out to get anyone who was a threat to the country, the Military, not FDR, interpreted that "threat" as Japanese Americans. Please read this for further insight. (http://bss.sfsu.edu/internment/executiorder9066.html)

[Saoberlinwaves]

Reagan was a well-known actor, of course he was a good speaker and good at communicating with the public. Obama's main problem is he won't stop blaming everything on the previous administration, which the public is started to get tired of. At the beginning of his presidency, sure, he could get by with saying that stuff. But now? People are just tired of it and want results. But every president we've had has loved our country, I'm not sure how you could claim otherwise.

You ever heard Obama give a speech talking up the American spirit? NO. He talks up for nutjob leftists' spirits, he speaks of "Change", but he NEVER praises how wonderful this country is and how we are truly the greatest bastion of freedom in the entire world. He constantly bashes the free market, undermines states' rights, undermines the efforts to protect our border, gives more focus on how we can kiss our enemies' asses than how we can defeat them... His rhetoric towards this country is that of an outsider and a revolutionary, not a temporary servant (which is exactly what the President is).

[Saoberlinwaves]

It wasn't FDRs fault that people misunderstood what Executive Order 9066 was all about. Nowhere in the Order directly said Japanese Americans. Its just after the attack on Pearl Harbor, many Americans panicked, and so when the Order was out to get anyone who was a threat to the country, the Military, not FDR, interpreted that "threat" as Japanese Americans. Please read this for further insight. (http://bss.sfsu.edu/internment/executiorder9066.html)

As President, he allowed it to happen. And the Japanese part isn't even the part that matters to me. The Citizens part is what matters. He violated the rights of citizens protected under the Constitution, as a good number of the detainees were American-born.

[Saoberlinwaves]

And another reason I despise Obama is he has taken NASA and transformed it from a space agency into just another arm of the Enviro-facist Left.

Anybody see that story about the "smart" recycling bins in Cleveland, that used up millions of dollars in "stimulus" money? LOL... And they can tell if you don't recycle something, and automatically fine you??? Can you say BIG BROTHER??? Not only is this a complete waste of money, it's an incredible infringement on liberty and privacy and just another attack on those perpetrated by the enviro-facists on the Left. They will not rest until they control, tax, and regulate every aspect of our lives on the aspects of wealth as well as "carbon output". Gimme a break!!! I don't hate the environment, I believe in protecting it. But this is absolutely ridiculous, just like the entire environmental agenda is.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GIy6UqpF4SI&feature=related


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JsDsY0t2MOA&feature=related

"This is the most oppressive economic scheme yet to be advanced by the states". Levin is a true American patriot, one of the shining voices on the Right standing up to this oppressive regime. Limbaugh and Hannity are friggin morons with no education and zero brains, Mark Levin and Michael Savage are the true geniuses of the Conservative Media. Those two are brilliant and inspiring.

[Jeff]

As President, he allowed it to happen. And the Japanese part isn't even the part that matters to me. The Citizens part is what matters. He violated the rights of citizens protected under the Constitution, as a good number of the detainees were American-born.

As I said this before, people panicked and misinterpreted what was meant to be an Order to get rid of a threat (kind of like with Bush's whole crap with the Patriot Act). Now, don't get me wrong, FDR shouldn't have let anything be misinterpreted as far as what was supposed to happen with 9066, but it did indeed happen, and we cannot change that, since time travel is both non-existent and impossible. And the Japanese Americans were able to get over it.

[Harlz]

There's nothing wrong with making people recycle...
If you think raping our planet for future generations is a right, then you've got issues.
We have reesponsibilities to our children/grandchildren.

[Todd]

http://www.toddscrap.com/Global-Warming-Comic.jpeg

[Dean]

http://www.toddscrap.com/Global-Warming-Comic.jpeg
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[Harlz]

We can go into it if you like, I kinda cbf right now, but it's not hoax.
My university degree (which admittedly I haven't yet completed) is largely based around the studies into climate change, and it's far from a hoax.
And even if it is, non-renewable energy sources are just that, non-renewable. We're fucked no matter what if we keep going how we're going.

[Louis]

And another reason I despise Obama is he has taken NASA and transformed it from a space agency into just another arm of the Enviro-facist Left.

Anybody see that story about the "smart" recycling bins in Cleveland, that used up millions of dollars in "stimulus" money? LOL... And they can tell if you don't recycle something, and automatically fine you??? Can you say BIG BROTHER??? Not only is this a complete waste of money, it's an incredible infringement on liberty and privacy and just another attack on those perpetrated by the enviro-facists on the Left. They will not rest until they control, tax, and regulate every aspect of our lives on the aspects of wealth as well as "carbon output". Gimme a break!!! I don't hate the environment, I believe in protecting it. But this is absolutely ridiculous, just like the entire environmental agenda is.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GIy6UqpF4SI&feature=related


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JsDsY0t2MOA&feature=related

"This is the most oppressive economic scheme yet to be advanced by the states". Levin is a true American patriot, one of the shining voices on the Right standing up to this oppressive regime. Limbaugh and Hannity are friggin morons with no education and zero brains, Mark Levin and Michael Savage are the true geniuses of the Conservative Media. Those two are brilliant and inspiring.

1) You have no idea what you're talking about.
2) You fill my heart with sadness.
2) Recycling is not totalitarian. It's called protecting the environment. Get your head out of 1984.
3) You still have no idea what you're talking about.
4) The conservative media is a huge part of reason everyone is afraid and part of the reason why nothing gets done. I don't care who is a genius of it or who isn't. The conservative media, wherever you go, is full of idiots. Not because they're conservative, but because they feel the need to shove their views (which are still sometimes close-minded and unaware) down everyone's throats and tell them not to support their President.
5) If it were oppressive, you wouldn't have your rights. Get over yourself.
6) The people you posted about have no idea what they're talking about.
7) Try not to triple post next time.

[Mark]

Typical Republican-backing behaviour; spew a bunch of off-topic nonsense and conjecture and don't address the issue at hand.

[Saoberlinwaves]

There's nothing wrong with making people recycle...
If you think raping our planet for future generations is a right, then you've got issues.
We have reesponsibilities to our children/grandchildren.

I think destroying our economy and leaving our children with a debt so large that the amount of national debt owed averages out to over $120,000 PER CITIZEN and a welfare state that is collapsing is a much greater concern than "some plastic bags" (as George Carlin put it).

[Saoberlinwaves]

1) You have no idea what you're talking about.
2) You fill my heart with sadness.
2) Recycling is not totalitarian. It's called protecting the environment. Get your head out of 1984.
3) You still have no idea what you're talking about.
4) The conservative media is a huge part of reason everyone is afraid and part of the reason why nothing gets done. I don't care who is a genius of it or who isn't. The conservative media, wherever you go, is full of idiots. Not because they're conservative, but because they feel the need to shove their views (which are still sometimes close-minded and unaware) down everyone's throats and tell them not to support their President.
5) If it were oppressive, you wouldn't have your rights. Get over yourself.
6) The people you posted about have no idea what they're talking about.
7) Try not to triple post next time.

1. Nope
2. Get over it
3. Controlling every aspect of citizens' lives, how much carbon they are allowed to admit, water they can use, forcing them to recycle, etc is absolutely authoritarian.
4. "The conservative media" consists of Fox News, Wall St. Journal, Talk Radio, and the Right-Wing Blogosphere. The Liberal Media consists of ABC, NBC, PBS, CBS, CNN, MSLSD, New York Slimes, WaPo, and an ever-powerful Soros smear-machine going by the names Media Matters, Center For American Progress, MoveOn.org, etc. The difference is that the general American public sees Fox and Talk Radio as Conservative outlets, but falsely regards CNN, ABC, NBC, etc as being nuetral and unbiased media sources. The Liberal Media is 100x more powerful than the Conservative media because they pass themselves off as being truthful and nonpartisan when that's not the case. I'll be the first to admit that FOX is a biased network, but the Liberals have the ENTIRE mainstream media backing them... Is it too much for us to ask for ONE network of our own???

5. Our rights are slowly disappearing, be it our free speech rights under attack from their Orwellian fairness doctrine garbage, their attacks on the privacy and freedom of the internet, their efforts to silence Talk Radio through the bureaucracy, their back-door efforts to slip through Cap and Tax through the EPA, their attacks on our economic freedom through redistributive policies and specifically through the unconstitutional mandate that we must buy health insurance. This isn't happening overnight, it's happening under the disguise of being in our best interests. Intrusive, over-powerful government NEVER serves the best interests of the people and seeks only to destroy and enslave.

6. Mark Levin has a better understanding of and respect for the Constitution and the Founding values of this nation in one finger than King Barack has in his entire pathetic body. The man is a Reaganite Conservative and one of the greatest voices for liberty and against this tyrannical New Left in america.

7. alright?

I should have known that discussing politics on the LP board would be an absolute lost cause, but this is just pathetic... Put down the Communist manifestos your college professors have given you and pick up a copy of the US Constitution, the Declaration of Independence... I don't give a damn what this ACORN community organizer from the South Side of Chicago thinks is best for my country, screw him. I owe my allegiance to the Constitution, the Bill of Rights, and the Declaration of Independence. I believe in unalienable rights, as did our founders, that can not be granted or taken away by our temporary leaders but are granted to all humans by God, by natural law, by humanity, or by whatever you believe in.

"We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness. — That to secure these rights, Governments are instituted among Men, deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed, — That whenever any Form of Government becomes destructive of these ends, it is the Right of the People to alter or to abolish it, and to institute new Government, laying its foundation on such principles and organizing its powers in such form, as to them shall seem most likely to effect their Safety and Happiness. Prudence, indeed, will dictate that Governments long established should not be changed for light and transient causes; and accordingly all experience hath shewn that mankind are more disposed to suffer, while evils are sufferable than to right themselves by abolishing the forms to which they are accustomed. But when a long train of abuses and usurpations, pursuing invariably the same Object evinces a design to reduce them under absolute Despotism, it is their right, it is their duty, to throw off such Government, and to provide new Guards for their future security"


Bet your nutjob professors don't read anything from this great document. In fact, most of them despise this document. The "Intellectual Left" is more interest in social engineering projects than your unalienable rights and protecting the Republic.

[Saoberlinwaves]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MF_tL8m9e-c&feature=player_embedded

Holocaust survivor gets shouted down by some nutjob hateful liberal at mosque protest.

[Hellions]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MF_tL8m9e-c&feature=player_embedded

Holocaust survivor gets shouted down by some nutjob hateful liberal at mosque protest.

Hey guys remember when this thread was started about the Muslim community center debate?

Oh yeah, me neither.

Also, since it doesn't seem to stick for some reason, because "Community center" doesn't have quite the spin and sensationalism Fox News and company rely on for their ratings:

It's not a mosque.
It's not a mosque.
It's not a mosque.
It is not.
A fucking.
Mosque.


And quite frankly, fuck the guy. If anybody should know a thing or two about religious persecution and intolerance. But no, instead he contributes to a protest that is a direct slap in the face to those who perished in the terrible stain on history he had the fortune of surviving. It's amazing how little people can learn.

[Theazninvasion68]

I, for one, don't think recycling is a bad thing. It certainly does more than dumping it into the landfills. If a new Can has 100% aluminium, and a recycled Can has 50% used aluminium, 50% new aluminium, then we saved/reduced using new material to create one item. Eventually, a recycled Cans can produce more while not needing new materials. If 50% of a Can can be reused, then after 2 new Cans can possibly be generated with less material, therefore, lower costs. This applies to plastic, paper, etc. Therefore, Recycling is good because it can generate more material with less.

If that went over your head, then consider a mechanical pencil. Once you use its preloaded lead, you purchase more lead. You reuse the mechanical pencil, but the lead is refilled. This, I hope, is a familiar concept, and is also a form of recycling.

Now, are we given the choice to recycle? Yeah. I mean, I can toss as many glass, plastic and paper into my regular dumpster and take it out. I'll get no complaints from the Waste Management Co., nor will i get a letter saying that I am a unethical dude with serious issues regarding the environment.

Recycling and Cap/trade policy, or as you said clearly about what it is in essence "How much carbon they are allowed to emit", are different. Recycling bottles and paper is good. It does not effect the economy so seriously that it has harmed us more. Cap/trade policy directly involves production of goods in America. ( I forgot what part...:lol:)

Sooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo How is recycling bad and "Absolutely totalitarian" When it is good, and also by choice of the consumer?

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We can go into it if you like, I kinda cbf right now, but it's not hoax.
My university degree (which admittedly I haven't yet completed) is largely based around the studies into climate change, and it's far from a hoax.
And even if it is, non-renewable energy sources are just that, non-renewable. We're fucked no matter what if we keep going how we're going.

Even though I am not 100% convinced of Global Warming, I am 100% convinced and agree with Harlz that we need renewable energy sources, and good ones at that. It is just a matter of fact Truth that not everything we have is unlimited. Just as there is x amount of animals that exist on this planet, there are x amount of non-renewable energy resources. Why shouldn't we invest in creating stronger, more powerful solar panels? Or x energy source? While they are totally new technologies, thats what they are. New Technologies. The computer was a "New Tech." Cars used to be "New Tech", even airplanes. Why can't energy sources be as well? Coal does produce extraordinarily great power, and it's good. But coal will eventually run out. Nuclear powerplants are a new technology that will help us. Bill Gates has invested in a Experimental powerplant that runs off of nuclear powerplant waste .Effectively solving the problem of "where to store" and "cost of storing." Also, it generates almost the same amount as a regular nuclear power plant can. If you're curious, Look up his TED talk on www.ted.com.

[Mark]

Hey guys remember when this thread was started about the Muslim community center debate?

Oh yeah, me neither.

Also, since it doesn't seem to stick for some reason, because "Community center" doesn't have quite the spin and sensationalism Fox News and company rely on for their ratings:

It's not a mosque.
It's not a mosque.
It's not a mosque.
It is not.
A fucking.
Mosque.


And quite frankly, fuck the guy. If anybody should know a thing or two about religious persecution and intolerance. But no, instead he contributes to a protest that is a direct slap in the face to those who perished in the terrible stain on history he had the fortune of surviving. It's amazing how little people can learn.

THANK YOU.

Can we please get back on topic?

The fact of the matter is that this is not a mosque. It's a multiple-level community centre that will house a basketball court, a culinary school, and more. The top two levels are reserved as a Muslim prayer space.

The xenophobia exemplified by these protestors is absolutely appalling. This has become an admonishment of the muslim religion (when it wasnt even about that in the first place!) and should not even be an issue! It's sad, really. It's like that whole terror babies conspiracy put forth by that Texas congressman. Just shout unsubstantiated suggestions over people enough, don't present any legitimate evidence, and refuse to listen to logical reasoning. Sounds like the Right to me.

[Todd]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MF_tL8m9e-c&feature=player_embedded

Holocaust survivor gets shouted down by some nutjob hateful liberal at mosque protest.

Holocaust survivors can still be racist bigoted idiots. It's surprising, I would think a Holocaust survivor would be the last person on this planet to support religious persecution. But being a Holocaust survivor isn't a free pass to spew hatred and racism.

[Shayan86]

All this Islamophobia nonsense that is being visualised by the western media is another step in the drection of alienation of different civilisations, people should be afarid of a certain communtiy because of their nationality, religion or ideology, utter nonsense.

[Saoberlinwaves]

I, for one, don't think recycling is a bad thing. It certainly does more than dumping it into the landfills. If a new Can has 100% aluminium, and a recycled Can has 50% used aluminium, 50% new aluminium, then we saved/reduced using new material to create one item. Eventually, a recycled Cans can produce more while not needing new materials. If 50% of a Can can be reused, then after 2 new Cans can possibly be generated with less material, therefore, lower costs. This applies to plastic, paper, etc. Therefore, Recycling is good because it can generate more material with less.

If that went over your head, then consider a mechanical pencil. Once you use its preloaded lead, you purchase more lead. You reuse the mechanical pencil, but the lead is refilled. This, I hope, is a familiar concept, and is also a form of recycling.

Now, are we given the choice to recycle? Yeah. I mean, I can toss as many glass, plastic and paper into my regular dumpster and take it out. I'll get no complaints from the Waste Management Co., nor will i get a letter saying that I am a unethical dude with serious issues regarding the environment.

Recycling and Cap/trade policy, or as you said clearly about what it is in essence "How much carbon they are allowed to emit", are different. Recycling bottles and paper is good. It does not effect the economy so seriously that it has harmed us more. Cap/trade policy directly involves production of goods in America. ( I forgot what part...:lol:)

Sooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo How is recycling bad and "Absolutely totalitarian" When it is good, and also by choice of the consumer?

================


Even though I am not 100% convinced of Global Warming, I am 100% convinced and agree with Harlz that we need renewable energy sources, and good ones at that. It is just a matter of fact Truth that not everything we have is unlimited. Just as there is x amount of animals that exist on this planet, there are x amount of non-renewable energy resources. Why shouldn't we invest in creating stronger, more powerful solar panels? Or x energy source? While they are totally new technologies, thats what they are. New Technologies. The computer was a "New Tech." Cars used to be "New Tech", even airplanes. Why can't energy sources be as well? Coal does produce extraordinarily great power, and it's good. But coal will eventually run out. Nuclear powerplants are a new technology that will help us. Bill Gates has invested in a Experimental powerplant that runs off of nuclear powerplant waste .Effectively solving the problem of "where to store" and "cost of storing." Also, it generates almost the same amount as a regular nuclear power plant can. If you're curious, Look up his TED talk on www.ted.com.

I agree with a lot of your post. I agree that recycling is good, I'm all for protecting the environment, but nowhere in the Constitution does it give the government the right to force us to recycle. Yeah, that clause is right next to the health care one and the abortion one... It doesn't exist. It's not the right of the government to control these aspects of our lives, it is intrusive government.

I completely agree we need to find renewable energy resources. Apparently the Democrat party does not agree, because they hate nuclear power and do everything they can to stop it, which though I'm slightly wary of nuclear it's the only existing source of energy under current technology that could realistically be used on a wide scale and replace coal... Solar, Wind, Water, etc are just not realistic and will never be accepted on a wide scale for a plethora of reasons.

And I never said mandating recycling is "totalitarian"... I said it's "authoritarian"... this alone doesn't make the US an authoritarian state, but it is certainly authoritarian in nature. One by one this regime is nationalizing industries and regulating private aspects of our lives... Cap and Trade will not only be the greatest intrusion on personal liberty in the history of this nation, it will be catastrophic to our economy and destroy our wealth. I just don't understand why people support growing the government when it's pretty obvious it's WAY too big as it is. The EPA is way too powerful for our own good, it thinks it can pass laws and regulations without going through the legislative process, they honestly need to be shut down or at least blown apart and restructured massively and put in their place

[Saoberlinwaves]

All this Islamophobia nonsense that is being visualised by the western media is another step in the drection of alienation of different civilisations, people should be afarid of a certain communtiy because of their nationality, religion or ideology, utter nonsense.

We aren't afraid of it because of our religion, ideology, etc. You still just don't get it. ANY other location and nobody would give a damn either way. We're not afraid of anything here, we're angry and disgusted that they are desecrating our nation's most hallowed ground by putting up a shrine to the same religion that murdered 3000 of our citizens in their offices and on commercial airplanes on 9/11. ANY other location and nobody would care about this whatsoever. It's not Islamophobia, it's called standing up for the sanctity of the most sacred ground on our soil.

[Hellions]

We aren't afraid of it because of our religion, ideology, etc. You still just don't get it. ANY other location and nobody would give a damn either way. We're not afraid of anything here, we're angry and disgusted that they are desecrating our nation's most hallowed ground by putting up a shrine to the same religion that murdered 3000 of our citizens in their offices and on commercial airplanes on 9/11. ANY other location and nobody would care about this whatsoever. It's not Islamophobia, it's called standing up for the sanctity of the most sacred ground on our soil.

So because a group of people from a religion decided to do something, fuck the whole thing, right?

I'm a little uncomfortable with how close that Catholic church is to that daycare center... I mean if they'd put it ANY other location, it would be fine.

Oh, I forgot, there's three churches for every block in most cities. But ONE Muslim center and holy shit right?



Also government isn't forcing you to recycle by encouraging it, and they're not forcing you to get an abortion by allowing it. Abortions are just fun. :awesome:

[Todd]

We aren't afraid of it because of our religion, ideology, etc. You still just don't get it. ANY other location and nobody would give a damn either way. We're not afraid of anything here, we're angry and disgusted that they are desecrating our nation's most hallowed ground by putting up a shrine to the same religion that murdered 3000 of our citizens in their offices and on commercial airplanes on 9/11. ANY other location and nobody would care about this whatsoever. It's not Islamophobia, it's called standing up for the sanctity of the most sacred ground on our soil.

Let's get some facts straight....

1. There are already mosques near Ground Zero.
2. The propose building is not a Mosque, it's a community center.
3. The community center is not visible from Ground Zero, and Ground Zero is not visible from the community center.
4. The people who want to build the community center had nothing to do with 9/11.
5. The current building at the site of the community center is a decrepit old building that is falling apart and is no longer in use. Building the community center will improve the look of the area and increase property values of buildings around it.
6. Any other location and nobody would care? See Murfreesboro, TN mosque (http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2010/08/22/AR2010082202895.html?hpid=topnews) and Mayfield, KY mosque (http://onevoiceamongmany.newsvine.com/_news/2010/08/26/4975598-residents-cheer-as-kentucky-town-rejects-mosque-).
7. There are churches near the site of the Oklahoma City bombing, and Centennial Olympic Park in Atlanta bombing, which were acts of terrorism carried out by Christian terrorists, and none of you people are bitching about it.

[Hellions]

Let's get some facts straight....

1. There are already mosques near Ground Zero.
2. The propose building is not a Mosque, it's a community center.
3. The community center is not visible from Ground Zero, and Ground Zero is not visible from the community center.
4. The people who want to build the community center had nothing to do with 9/11.
5. The current building at the site of the community center is a decrepit old building that is falling apart and is no longer in use. Building the community center will improve the look of the area and increase property values of buildings around it.
6. Any other location and nobody would care? See Murfreesboro, TN mosque (http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2010/08/22/AR2010082202895.html?hpid=topnews) and Mayfield, KY mosque (http://onevoiceamongmany.newsvine.com/_news/2010/08/26/4975598-residents-cheer-as-kentucky-town-rejects-mosque-).
7. There are churches near the site of the Oklahoma City bombing, and Centennial Olympic Park in Atlanta bombing, which were acts of terrorism carried out by Christian terrorists, and none of you people are bitching about it.

Guaaaahhh I love it

[Derek The Infamous]

Todd for the motherfucking win.

[Saoberlinwaves]

So because a group of people from a religion decided to do something, fuck the whole thing, right?

I'm a little uncomfortable with how close that Catholic church is to that daycare center... I mean if they'd put it ANY other location, it would be fine.

Oh, I forgot, there's three churches for every block in most cities. But ONE Muslim center and holy shit right?



Also government isn't forcing you to recycle by encouraging it, and they're not forcing you to get an abortion by allowing it. Abortions are just fun. :awesome:

This is an absolutely idiotic post in almost every regard. So 9/11 families' pain caused by putting a mosque next to the world trade center is comparable to having a catholic church near a daycare? Are you really that sick? That is an absolutely disgusting statement to make, completely and in every regard.

I never said fuck the whole thing because a group of Muslims attacked us on 9/11. If you know a damn thing about the Quran and Islam you'd realize that their actions are actually justified by many of the later passages in the Quran, which are to take precedence over earlier, more peaceful ones. I don't hate Muslims, and not all Muslims are violent or believe in oppression, but Islamic law is for the most part oppressive and violent. Funny how you and the rest of the Leftists go out of your way to bash Christianity when every Christian nation in the world today is free and democratic, while Islamic nations are iron-fisted and theocratic. Ironic because you people claim to stand up for human rights, yet go to all odds and ends to defend a religion guilty of more human rights violations in this world today than every other religion combined.

And the government IS forcing you to recycle if they're forcing you to use "smart" recycling bins and financially punishing you for not recycling.

What you said about abortion is just reprehensible on so many levels. You Lefitsts are sick, Liberalism is a mental disorder. Why do you all insist on defending the slimes of the earth, the oppressors, and the terrorists, yet you attack those of us who promote freedom and peace? Nutjobs.

[Todd]

every Christian nation in the world today is free and democratic
Oh, like Uganda, a Christian nation that is considering a law banning homosexuality that would result in the death penalty for anyone who is gay?

[Saoberlinwaves]

Oh, like Uganda, a Christian nation that is considering a law banning homosexuality that would result in the death penalty for anyone who is gay?

Please show me this, I've never seen anything about such a thing. And Uganda is not ruled under any sort of theocratic law or doctrine, as Iran and Saudi Arabia are. One of the 10 Commandments is Thou Shall Not Murder... For any reason... Including those regarded as sinners... Where is such a provision in Islamic Law? Even if what you say is true, they have no basis whatsoever in Christianity or the Bible for such a law. Differs a lot obviously from Iran, where Islamic Sharia Law requires that the punishment for homosexuality be execution.

[Jen]

Christianity is responsible for some of the most reprehensible acts in history, and yet I don't see you bringing up any of that. Can we say the Crusades, The Spanish Inquistion, or what happened in the state of California when the Spanish monks basically forced the Native American Indians that lived here to convert to Catholicism? I'm Catholic, and these things, among a few others are all disturbing. What makes them any different than the acts of the Muslim extremists? NOT A DAMN THING.

People on a whole are evil, no matter how you look at it, or attempt to rationalize it away. If it wasn't the Muslims that were religious terrorists, it would be some other religion with a whack job like Osama bin Laden at the helm leading them into killing in the name of whatever God they believe in.

and in regards to Hellions statement on abortion, can you say over exaggeration?

[Todd]

I always hate linking to Wikipedia, but it has all the info in one spot and there are sources if you care to check them out.... http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anti-Homosexuality_Bill


The private member's bill was submitted by MP David Bahati in Uganda on 13 October 2009. Homosexuality is currently illegal in Uganda—as it is in many sub-Saharan African countries—punishable by incarceration in prison for up to 14 years. The proposed legislation in Uganda, however, has been noted by several news agencies to be inspired by American evangelical Christians. A special motion to introduce the legislation was passed a month after a two-day conference was held where three American Christians asserted that homosexuality was a direct threat to the cohesion of African families. The bill, the government of Uganda, and the evangelicals involved have received significant international media attention and criticism from Western governments, some of whom have threatened to cut off financial aid to Uganda. In response to the attention, a revision was introduced to soften the strongest penalties for the most egregious offenses to life imprisonment.

These Christian fascists know they can't pass that kind of crap in the US so they do it in third world countries. And don't give me any of that ten commandments bullshit, there have been plenty of cases in history of people killing in the name of Christianity (Salem witch trials, Crusades) and plenty instances of killing in the bible.

[Saoberlinwaves]

I say we take the 150 America-hating nutjobs that were shouting anti-semetic things at the counter mosque-protest last week, pack them in a 757, and fly their pathetic bigoted hateful asses into a field in Pennsylvania like they did to our innocent, peace-loving civilians. Fuck them. I hate people who constantly work towards the destruction of my country. We will fight with everything left in the tank to preserve this great nation and stop this hijacking of the last beacon of freedom left in this world. When the GOP takes back the House in November, and is seated in January, Speaker Boehner needs to begin impeachment proceedings. We have HAD ENOUGH. We will not watch as these lowlife miscreant nutjobs run our country into the ground, spend our kids into economic servitude, and dissolve the US as a sovereign nation. This November, we take back our country, and in 2012, we restore the Presidency. This little experiment is over, we have unalienable rights as Americans that cannot continue to be disregarded by the federal government. Long live freedom baby, we will NOT go quietly into the night and we will NEVER accept Marxist, tyrannical, Leninist policy in this great nation once referred to as the Shining City Upon a Hill by Reagan. We will preserve that shining city, whatever we have to do.

[Todd]

You are a disgusting, sick person for even joking about killing 150 like that. Go get help.

[Saoberlinwaves]

You are a disgusting, sick person for even joking about killing 150 like that. Go get help.

The only sick thing here is the idea of building a megamosque a block from the world trade center. Sorry if that brings up an emotional reaction, I mean I do love my country and all...

[Hellions]

This is an absolutely idiotic post in almost every regard. So 9/11 families' pain caused by putting a mosque next to the world trade center is comparable to having a catholic church near a daycare? Are you really that sick? That is an absolutely disgusting statement to make, completely and in every regard.

I never said fuck the whole thing because a group of Muslims attacked us on 9/11. If you know a damn thing about the Quran and Islam you'd realize that their actions are actually justified by many of the later passages in the Quran, which are to take precedence over earlier, more peaceful ones. I don't hate Muslims, and not all Muslims are violent or believe in oppression, but Islamic law is for the most part oppressive and violent. Funny how you and the rest of the Leftists go out of your way to bash Christianity when every Christian nation in the world today is free and democratic, while Islamic nations are iron-fisted and theocratic. Ironic because you people claim to stand up for human rights, yet go to all odds and ends to defend a religion guilty of more human rights violations in this world today than every other religion combined.

And the government IS forcing you to recycle if they're forcing you to use "smart" recycling bins and financially punishing you for not recycling.

What you said about abortion is just reprehensible on so many levels. You Lefitsts are sick, Liberalism is a mental disorder. Why do you all insist on defending the slimes of the earth, the oppressors, and the terrorists, yet you attack those of us who promote freedom and peace? Nutjobs.

Yeah, because the damage of sexual abuse and its lasting effects are totally exaggerated and meaningless in comparison to the death of a loved one. Ask somebody who was molested as a child and I doubt they'll agree.

Rule by Christianity is in no way free and democratic. Unless by democratic you mean "Let's just leave decisions up to God". Gays? God says fuck 'em. Dying an excruciating death of cancer that has reduced you to a life of nothing but constant agony? God says fuck you, walk it off, pussy. Baby presenting potentially fatal health risks? God says fuck that, you're taking the risk. Rape victim? Sorry, God says you get to bear that burden and live with that reminder. (I like the recurring theme of rape being A-Okay here.) The list goes on and on.

And I don't appreciate your remarks about my views on abortion. I've got to eat too, you know.

[Todd]

IT'S NOT A FUCKING MOSQUE. How hard is it for you bigots to understand that? It's the equivalent of a fucking YMCA or JCCA. IT'S NOT A GOD DAMNED MOSQUE!

[Saoberlinwaves]

I always hate linking to Wikipedia, but it has all the info in one spot and there are sources if you care to check them out.... http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anti-Homosexuality_Bill



These Christian fascists know they can't pass that kind of crap in the US so they do it in third world countries. And don't give me any of that ten commandments bullshit, there have been plenty of cases in history of people killing in the name of Christianity (Salem witch trials, Crusades) and plenty instances of killing in the bible.

They can't pull it off in the US because this is the most tolerant, accepting society in the world. There is no haven for the nutjob, Westboro Baptist style Christians. The entire middle east is a haven for radical Islam, and most of these governments protect the terrorists and promote them.

There is no justification in the Bible for murder. Any and all murder directly conflicts with the Bible and the teachings of Christ. There IS, however, justification in the Quran for murder, holy war, and violence against women, gays, etc.

[Hellions]

IT'S NOT A FUCKING MOSQUE. How hard is it for you bigots to understand that? It's the equivalent of a fucking YMCA or JCCA. IT'S NOT A GOD DAMNED MOSQUE!

And certainly not a "megamosque". It's an old Burlington Coat factory for fuck's sake. :lol: Certainly nothing comparable to the multiple churches in my city I'd sooner think were a goddamn shopping mall if I didn't know any better.

[Saoberlinwaves]

IT'S NOT A FUCKING MOSQUE. How hard is it for you bigots to understand that? It's the equivalent of a fucking YMCA or JCCA. IT'S NOT A GOD DAMNED MOSQUE!

Yes, it is a mosque. Comparing it to the YMCA is laughable. Find me a YMCA run by a Hamas-funded Imam and I'll concede.

The only bigoted ones here are the anti-West Muslims, who see it as their duty to convert the whole world to Islam through holy war. We are tolerant of their pathetic, hateful religion, but we certainly will NEVER endorse it and it's anti-American principles

[Hellions]

Yes, it is a mosque. Comparing it to the YMCA is laughable. Find me a YMCA run by a Hamas-funded Imam and I'll concede.

The only bigoted ones here are the anti-West Muslims, who see it as their duty to convert the whole world to Islam through holy war. We are tolerant of their pathetic, hateful religion, but we certainly will NEVER endorse it and it's anti-American principles

No, it's actually just like the YMCA, except with less Indians, bikers, sailors, construction workers, and gay shower sex.

[Todd]

There is no justification in the Bible for murder. Any and all murder directly conflicts with the Bible and the teachings of Christ. There IS, however, justification in the Quran for murder, holy war, and violence against women, gays, etc.

Deuteronomy 13:6
If thy brother, the son of thy mother, or thy son, or thy daughter, or the wife of thy bosom, or thy friend, which is as thine own soul, entice thee secretly, saying, Let us go and serve other gods, which thou hast not known, thou, nor thy fathers; Namely, of the gods of the people which are round about you ... Thou shalt not consent unto him, nor hearken unto him; neither shall thine eye pity him, neither shalt thou spare, neither shalt thou conceal him: But thou shalt surely kill him; thine hand shall be first upon him to put him to death, and afterwards the hand of all the people. And thou shalt stone him with stones, that he die

2 Chronicles 15:13
Whosoever would not seek the LORD God of Israel should be put to death, whether small or great, whether man or woman.

Leviticus 20:13
If a man also lie with mankind, as he lieth with a woman, both of them have committed an abomination: they shall surely be put to death; their blood shall be upon them.

Exodus 22:20
He that sacrificeth unto any god save unto the LORD only, he shall be utterly destroyed.

Deuteronomy 22:13
If any man take a wife, and go in unto her, and hate her ... and say, I took this woman, and when I came to her, I found her not a maid: Then shall the father of the damsel, and her mother, take and bring forth the tokens of the damsel's virginity unto the elders of the city in the gate.... But if this thing be true, and the tokens of virginity be not found for the damsel: Then they shall bring out the damsel to the door of her father's house, and the men of her city shall stone her with stones that she die: because she hath wrought folly in Israel, to play the whore in her father's house: so shalt thou put evil away from among you.

Leviticus 24:16
He that blasphemeth the name of the LORD, he shall surely be put to death, and all the congregation shall certainly stone him.

[Jen]

This thread is slowly dissolving into Saoberlinwave's personal tirade. I'm done contributing to the view count.

However, I think you should leave the country Saoberlin and find a country with a government thats in line with your hatred and bigotry.



The only bigoted ones here are the anti-West Muslims, who see it as their duty to convert the whole world to Islam through holy war. We are tolerant of their pathetic, hateful religion, but we certainly will NEVER endorse it and it's anti-American principles


See: History of Christianity, The Crusades.

[Dean]

Deuteronomy 13:6
If thy brother, the son of thy mother, or thy son, or thy daughter, or the wife of thy bosom, or thy friend, which is as thine own soul, entice thee secretly, saying, Let us go and serve other gods, which thou hast not known, thou, nor thy fathers; Namely, of the gods of the people which are round about you ... Thou shalt not consent unto him, nor hearken unto him; neither shall thine eye pity him, neither shalt thou spare, neither shalt thou conceal him: But thou shalt surely kill him; thine hand shall be first upon him to put him to death, and afterwards the hand of all the people. And thou shalt stone him with stones, that he die

2 Chronicles 15:13
Whosoever would not seek the LORD God of Israel should be put to death, whether small or great, whether man or woman.

Leviticus 20:13
If a man also lie with mankind, as he lieth with a woman, both of them have committed an abomination: they shall surely be put to death; their blood shall be upon them.

Exodus 22:20
He that sacrificeth unto any god save unto the LORD only, he shall be utterly destroyed.

Deuteronomy 22:13
If any man take a wife, and go in unto her, and hate her ... and say, I took this woman, and when I came to her, I found her not a maid: Then shall the father of the damsel, and her mother, take and bring forth the tokens of the damsel's virginity unto the elders of the city in the gate.... But if this thing be true, and the tokens of virginity be not found for the damsel: Then they shall bring out the damsel to the door of her father's house, and the men of her city shall stone her with stones that she die: because she hath wrought folly in Israel, to play the whore in her father's house: so shalt thou put evil away from among you.

Leviticus 24:16
He that blasphemeth the name of the LORD, he shall surely be put to death, and all the congregation shall certainly stone him.
http://rationalwiki.org/wiki/List_of_actions_prohibited_by_the_Bible
http://rationalwiki.org/wiki/Actions_which_demand_the_death_penalty_in_the_Old_ Testament
http://rationalwiki.org/wiki/Examples_of_God_personally_killing_people

[Hellions]

I'm not one to throw around the term "troll", but outright completely denying the bible calls for violence or killing in its name? Not even the greatest of idiots could achieve such a feat. I can only assume you are in reality a very intelligent and rational man, Saoberlinwaves, and we have all been had. Good day, Sir.

[Timothy]

Even Ron Paul thinks this debate is silly.

[Mark]

I have never facepalmed more in my life.

[Shayan86]

We aren't afraid of it because of our religion, ideology, etc. You still just don't get it. ANY other location and nobody would give a damn either way. We're not afraid of anything here, we're angry and disgusted that they are desecrating our nation's most hallowed ground by putting up a shrine to the same religion that murdered 3000 of our citizens in their offices and on commercial airplanes on 9/11. ANY other location and nobody would care about this whatsoever. It's not Islamophobia, it's called standing up for the sanctity of the most sacred ground on our soil.

Islam didn't murder your citizens, a bunch of terrorists did, and those terrorists have nothing to do with the people who are building that community center. Is it too hard to understand or what?


Yes, it is a mosque. Comparing it to the YMCA is laughable. Find me a YMCA run by a Hamas-funded Imam and I'll concede.

The only bigoted ones here are the anti-West Muslims, who see it as their duty to convert the whole world to Islam through holy war. We are tolerant of their pathetic, hateful religion, but we certainly will NEVER endorse it and it's anti-American principles

I'm a muslim, and I should basically be offended by that post, but I'm not. You are just a brainwashed guy who has no idea about democracy, freedom, religion, and even your own country. Just to make it clear, Islam is not a pathetic, hateful religion, no religion is.

EDIT: Sorry for double posting, could an admin/mod fix it please? Thanks.

[Derek The Infamous]

However, I think you should leave the country Saoberlin and find a country with a government thats in line with your hatred and bigotry. Agreed, and get the hell off of our boards too. You're a racist, bigoted, brainwashed fool and I refuse to let LPA be a soapbox for your delusional Anti-American tirades. The people at that rally aren't Anti-American, you are for disrespecting the freedoms that make this country such a great place. The people building the COMMUNITY CENTER are protected by the constitution. Now you can either respect the constitution, or move to another country.

But while you're contemplating what option to take, you can enjoy a lengthy and permanent vacation from these forums. We're all for freedom of speech, but you're a psychopath. Goodbye.

[Benjamin]

:hitself:

[Harlz]

I think destroying our economy and leaving our children with a debt so large that the amount of national debt owed averages out to over $120,000 PER CITIZEN and a welfare state that is collapsing is a much greater concern than "some plastic bags" (as George Carlin put it).

Money means shit all when you compare it to the real issues they are going to face.
eg.
Food.
Energy.
Mineral resources.

All of those are real. Money is a human concept.

EDIT: I missed something aye... :lol:

[Ant]

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