Is It The Parent's Fault or The Musician's?

[Sarah]

I was having a discussion with some people on facebook today and it was over Lady Gaga's new film clip, Alejandro which is rather raunchy.

So the question comes down, if you're kid/s start acting like the type of music they hear, is it the parent's fault for not controlling what they listen to or it's the type of music to blame?

I agree that it's the parent's fault because they have the ability to turn the channel over whenever something explicit comes on.

[Hawk]

I agree with you Sarah.
They have the control over what they watch/listen to so you can't blame the musician for them starting to do that stuff when they can just stop it.

[Luke]

At the end of the day sex sells. Parents need to know that in this day and age it's impossible to flick through music channels without seeing a raunchy music video so they need to educate their children on the matter. I wouldn't say that simply changing the channel is the solution because if anything that only sparks more curiosity and I personally feel that causes more problems. Perhaps if parents educated their children better, that videos by Lady Gaga, Britney Spears etc. are nothing more than marketing gimmicks, then perhaps we wouldn't have kids dressing like hookers and putting out before they understand what the hell sex and sex appeal is all about.

So no, I don't think it's a musicians fault.

[Hawk]

I guess in these three posts we can all agree that it isn't the musicians and instead the parents fault.

[[TDWP] Jacob]

It's the kids fault for not having any indication what is right or wrong. Music is music. It should be seen that way. If it controls/changes how you act then your a weakminded fool. You can't blame the parent's because with the internet you can find just about anything. and why should the musician's change their art form

[Chris(tmas)]

None of the options you selected.

It's not the parents fault for letting their kids watching videos. If they can't watch it on TV, they will do on the internet. And if they watch it on the internet, it's the parents responsibility to take measurements (no internet, talk with their children about what they've seen). Children should have the ability to watch whatever they want to a certain age. 15 year old kids can watch porn but not 4-8 years old. 9 year olds can watch Lady GaGa and so can 4 year olds. 4 year olds don't even know the word "sex".

[Hawk]

It's the kids fault for not having any indication what is right or wrong. Music is music. It should be seen that way. If it controls/changes how you act then your a weakminded fool. You can't blame the parent's because with the internet you can find just about anything. and why should the musician's change their art form

Well you can't say that when the kid is 4, they don't really know what anything is.

[[TDWP] Jacob]

Well you can't say that when the kid is 4, they don't really know what anything is.

Then whats the damage. Its not like the 4 year old is going to be sleeping with people

[Theazninvasion68]

It's sad that sex sells. It's also sad that musicians focus so much on sex because it sells.

It's also sad that parents don't know when the kids are exposed to it as well. It should be the point for the parents to explain the Birds and the Bees, or whatever, talk. Whatever happened to parents teaching Sex Ed?

In my opinion, when your in middle school (Age: Around 12-14) you should be getting the talk.

Thus, it is both the Parents and the Musicians fault.

[Hawk]

It's sad that sex sells. It's also sad that musicians focus so much on sex because it sells.

It's also sad that parents don't know when the kids are exposed to it as well. It should be the point for the parents to explain the Birds and the Bees, or whatever, talk. Whatever happened to parents teaching Sex Ed?

In my opinion, when your in middle school (Age: Around 12-14) you should be getting the talk.

Thus, it is both the Parents and the Musicians fault.

You do make a point.

[Jordan]

What came first, the music or the misery?

[Hawk]

What came first, the music or the misery?

Music.

[esaul17]

I generally say parents. And also, the kids themselves. But a lot of it is not so much anyone's "fault".

We live in a society where the internet and television are available almost everywhere, and where parents are too busy to watch their kids 24/7. Thusly children will be exposed to this in most cases, if they have any desire at all to be so (and forbidding them won't make them seek it out any less).

Musicians do know that what they make will likely be seen by children, but I think the "so what?" attitude is the best to have. Children dumb and impressionable and unsupervised enough to try having bondage sex in a nun uniform because Lady Gaga did it are susceptible to so many things I would label them a lost cause.

And, at the end of the day, I think good art is worth a few indirectly killed or otherwise negatively impacted kids.

[Hawk]

I guess even if they dress like GaGa or whatever while their 4, they will soon learn that it wasn't as cool as they thought.

[esaul17]

I really don't think a 4 year old is going to run away and join their local burlesque club, or even buy their own clothing. I think the issue would from people 10-14 or so.

[Hawk]

I really don't think a 4 year old is going to run away and join their local burlesque club, or even buy their own clothing.

Snap!

[Dean]

Then whats the damage. Its not like the 4 year old is going to be sleeping with people
No one's said that though. The point is that children are nonetheless impressionable, and there probably aren't too many who are born with a developed sense of morals and principles. If you were an exceptional case then good for you, but expecting that from them is a little bit asinine.

[[TDWP] Jacob]

I just feel that the media and parents shouldn't be placed to blame for how their kids act. Thats just me. Not saying kids shouldn't be disciplined because they should but to assume that its the parent's fault is unfair in particular with teens

[Sarah]

But teens do know right from wrong....children don't.

[Theazninvasion68]

But teens do know right from wrong....children don't.

That is Dependant on their upbringing.

:) For the most part lol

[Jordan]

But teens do know right from wrong....children don't.

http://www.theage.com.au/ffximage/2008/01/16/rgn_corey_wideweb__470x350,0.jpg

[Theazninvasion68]

^ :lol:!!

[Jeff]

Honestly i pin this on both the parents and the artists. If artists didnt put racy or inappropriate material on the TV or internet we wouldnt have to worry about kids getting a bad influence,k however, since this stuff is out there, it is also the parents fault as well if their kids pick up on it because they ultimately have the power to block anything inappropriate whether its on the internet or on the TV. and if they dont, then there isnt much stopping the kid from picking up on the behavior

[Hawk]

You make a good point Jay.

[Jordan]

Personally I'm not exactly sure why we're hiding these things from children, but Lady Gaga isn't nearly the worst "idol" we've had in recent times. I think a lot of the members here would have grown up with Britney Spears, who not only had all the same obscenities as Lady Gaga, but also went on to fuck her life up again and again. Lady Gaga seems to be fairly stable, so if anything parents nowadays should feel lucky.

Also, new video clip is light shit, wouldn't think twice about it when i was a little younger.

[Hawk]

Yeah, Lady GaGa isn't as bad as Britney.

[Sarah]

Honestly i pin this on both the parents and the artists. If artists didnt put racy or inappropriate material on the TV or internet we wouldnt have to worry about kids getting a bad influence,k however, since this stuff is out there, it is also the parents fault as well if their kids pick up on it because they ultimately have the power to block anything inappropriate whether its on the internet or on the TV. and if they dont, then there isnt much stopping the kid from picking up on the behavior

But the thing is pop music is usually aimed at teenagers not little kids. If you have a kid, teach them that this behaviour that celebrities have is wrong and is not allowed. As a parent you have control over what your child watches, get them into Taylor Swift or someone less controversial. I grew up with Britney and Xtina around me because my mum let me listen to their music but not dress like them, because I didn't want to have my tits hanging out of my top, but no way on earth would my mother let me watch Gaga film clips. As a parent comes a responsibility to give your kid the best uprising, even if it means denying them to watch or listen to certain things. Cos no fucking way was I allowed to watch Titanic until I was 16.

[Jordan]

If artists didnt put racy or inappropriate material on the TV or internet no one would watch it
Fix'd

And seriously, if we're going to talk about teenagers here, music videos are fucking light. I don't know anyone who doesn't watch porn from time to time. Kids acting like celebrities is not really a problem at all as far as I see it, at my school, we should probably be focusing on getting half my year off cigarettes...

Edit: http://imgs.xkcd.com/comics/swimsuit_issue.png

[AStarkson]

You just can't stop inappropriate content from touching child, no matter how hard artist/parents try. Internet is everywhere, and you just can't stop it. The problem is from the society and children themselves.
Society influenced children with inappropriate content.
Children can't help being influenced.
And here it goes.

[minuteforce]

It'll get to the point where the music and associated imagery become more of an influence than the parents are, though.

[Hawk]

I guess it comes down to, the kids will later learn what all that stuff (when they where younger) was not as good/cool as they thought, and they have to learn about that stuff anyway.

[hybridsoldier1989]

It's up to the parent. Like the music artist, they have a right to an opinion and the right to voice it or do with it as they please. Their children are their own charge and they can monitor what they see and often should in this day and age, which has only grown more and more liberal with views on sex, overall. The artist has the right to free speech and I think music videos easily fall under the first amendment's protection.

[the enigma]

It comes down to a child's upbringing. We are over saturated with media (by this I mean the means to acquire information). We will all be exposed to pretty much everything on the planet simply because everything is recorded and broadcast and posted and streamed and talked about and etc and etc. So, if a parent does not explain things to their child, their child will not know how to react. In some cases, this doesn't matter, they still become productive members of society. Sometimes, they blame a musician when they kill someone. Sure, the media should be more responsible, but so should the parents.

[Rahat]

It's the parents responsibility to make sure their kids know what's right from what's wrong and what kind of behavior is appropriate and what isn't. If it means taking measures to make sure the kids aren't exposed to certain things at times then so be it. Unfortunately its impossible to completely shield your child from the world so the best thing to do is to talk to them and try to get them to understand.

[Disturbedthoughts]

Boundaries will continue to be pushed just as they always have. Every generation has had this argument and then the next generation turns out just fine. Eventually having the same argument somewhere down the line. As for the fault, parents to some degree but sometimes no matter the upbringing some people will turn out the way they do. Parents are obligated to teach them right and wrong but they can only enforce it so much. Artists aren't going to stop and neither is sex appeal, so teach the kids about it. Plus, despite being very trusting studies have shown people are their most rational at twelve lol.

[_cam_]

It comes down to a child's upbringing. We are over saturated with media (by this I mean the means to acquire information). We will all be exposed to pretty much everything on the planet simply because everything is recorded and broadcast and posted and streamed and talked about and etc and etc. So, if a parent does not explain things to their child, their child will not know how to react. In some cases, this doesn't matter, they still become productive members of society. Sometimes, they blame a musician when they kill someone. Sure, the media should be more responsible, but so should the parents.

I agree with this in a gajillion times.