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Ryo Hazuki
10-27-2008, 10:35 PM
From BBC News http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/europe/3286721.stm



Mr Meiwes appeared relaxed before the opening of his trial
A man accused of killing, dissecting and eating another man has gone on trial in central Germany.
The court heard how horror films had fuelled Armin Meiwes' childhood fantasies of eating school friends.

The 41-year-old computer technician is charged with murder, even though the victim allegedly volunteered for his fate by replying to an internet advert.

The gruesome incident was all captured on camcorder and the footage is expected to form part of the evidence.


"I had the fantasy, and in the end I fulfilled it," he said. The fantasy first developed between the ages of eight and 12, he added.

Mr Meiwes spoke of how he felt ignored by his father, and longed for a good-looking younger brother - whom he would bind to himself forever by consuming.

It is Germany's first cannibalism case, and the world's media have gathered in Kassel to watch the proceedings.

Television images showed Mr Meiwes - wearing a jacket and a tie - smiling and talking light-heartedly to his lawyer moments before the trial began.

It was the first time that the self-confessed cannibal had been seen in public since his arrest.

The grisly details of the case caused a sensation in the German media when Mr Meiwes was arrested in December, 2002. My friend enjoyed dying, death. I only waited horrified for the end after doing the deed. It took so terribly long


Cannibalism: A modern taboo


In a recent newspaper interview he admitted that he had killed and then partly eaten his victim.

Mr Meiwes advertised on the internet for a well-built male prepared to be slaughtered and then consumed.

"Slim and blond, that would have been the type", he told the court.

The victim, 43-year-old Bernd-Jurgen Brandes, answered the advert in March 2001.

Mr Meiwes told investigators he took Mr Brandes back to his home in Rotenburg, where Mr Brandes agreed to have his penis cut off, which Mr Meiwes then flambéed and served up to eat together.

Prosecutors say Mr Meiwes then stabbed the victim repeatedly in the neck and dissected the corpse.

Legally it is a tricky case, says the BBC's correspondent in Berlin, Ray Furlong.


The court will test if Mr Brandes gave his life willingly

Cannibalism is not a recognised offence under German law and the defence will argue that, since the victim volunteered, this was no murder.

If the court accepts the defence argument, Mr Meiwes can expect a jail term of up to five years.

But the prosecution will push for a life sentence on the basis that Mr Meiwes is simply too dangerous ever to be released.

Meanwhile, Germans will continue to be treated to a media frenzy that plays on the story's unrivalled shock value.

And among the "highlights" will be the two-hour video that Mr Meiwes took of the whole incident on his camcorder, our correspondent says.

"The public probably won't be excluded from this part of proceedings; we have a tradition of open trials," says legal expert Felix Hardenberg.

"But the panel of judges will show only the relevant parts: what the victim is saying and doing before and during the killing."

Mr Meiwes has said that after his trial he intends to pass the time in jail - if convicted - by writing his memoirs.

The court will hear 38 witnesses and 14 sessions are scheduled in the trial, which is scheduled to end in late January.

The case only came to light when an Austrian student spotted another advertisement placed by Mr Meiwes on the internet and alerted police.

This is a complicated one

Will
10-27-2008, 10:38 PM
It shouldn't matter if the victim "gave his life willingly." He was still murdered, regardless.

Timothy
10-27-2008, 10:44 PM
Flambéed wang. Silly cannibals.

Jen
10-27-2008, 10:49 PM
Whether or not the *victim* gave up his life willingly, the larger issue should be the mental competence of the suspect.

No one in full possession of their mental capacities is going to be fantasizing about killing and eating people.

I have a feeling that, at the least, he will be confined to a mental health facility for a very long time, if Germany has such a system in place.

Jeffrey Dahmer anyone?

Theazninvasion68
10-27-2008, 10:53 PM
The victum willingly gave up his life, He wanted to be killed and eatten. It's still pretty freaky what the Killer did.


If I had to decide.

Mental insituation, and 5-10 years in jail.



Edit: "Don't blame him" Him being the Victim. He knew full well that when He signed up for that, that he wanted to be killed and then consumed. If he didn't, He wouldn't have signed up for it. If someone wanted to be killed, or would commit suicide, and another person wanted to assist him in suicide (Then eat the person with permission). Well, There you go. If It were a case where He just killed a guy, and ate him, recorded it, I'd say lock him up, and also mental insitution.

Will
10-27-2008, 10:55 PM
You "don't blame him," even though he knew full well that he was murdering another individual, regardless of whether he volunteered himself or not?

No offense, dude, but you've got some fucked up views.

TheRockChick
10-27-2008, 10:56 PM
God, this man is officially fucked up. Of course he should be convicted! You don't just go fuck with peoples' bodies like that, whatever was the case.

Jen
10-27-2008, 11:07 PM
Song about this case by Rammstein here:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lk06_ll_vgo

Lyrics in the side bar in English.

Will
10-27-2008, 11:10 PM
Hang on, hang on, I just looked up this case, and it's been over and done with for several years now. In fact, the article Jesse posted hasn't been updated in more than five years.

Theazninvasion68
10-27-2008, 11:12 PM
Ahh gosh darn it!

I knew this case sounded familer, it was in one of the books im reading :lol:

Ryo Hazuki
10-27-2008, 11:14 PM
Hang on, hang on, I just looked up this case, and it's been over and done with for several years now. In fact, the article Jesse posted hasn't been updated in more than five years.

That is true. I should look at dates on things.

TheRockChick
10-27-2008, 11:16 PM
I supposed so when i read "The victim, 43-year-old Bernd-Jurgen Brandes, answered the advert in March 2001. "

Will
10-27-2008, 11:16 PM
That is true. I should look at dates on things.

It's cool. :lol:

When Jen posted the link to Rammstein's "Mein Teil" video, that's when I actually looked it up. :lol:

At first I thought maybe he was just now going through trial.

Jen
10-27-2008, 11:20 PM
hahaha, I looked up the wikipedia page on this guy and he's now a Vegetarian......

ROFLMAO.

TheRockChick
10-27-2008, 11:21 PM
hahaha, I looked up the wikipedia page on this guy and he's now a Vegetarian......

ROFLMAO.

No shit! lmfao :lol:

Theazninvasion68
10-27-2008, 11:22 PM
hahaha, I looked up the wikipedia page on this guy and he's now a Vegetarian......

ROFLMAO.

LOLOLOL WHAAAT?!!?!?


Oh my, what a HUGE change.

Dean
10-27-2008, 11:24 PM
While I was reading that I was actually waiting for him to start referring to Buffalo Bill and Clarice.

Will
10-27-2008, 11:24 PM
While I was reading that I was actually waiting for him to start referring to Buffalo Bill and Clarice.

LOL.

Dean
10-28-2008, 01:31 PM
I kind of agree with what Maverik said, in that it is open to debate as to whether you could really define this as murder, but either way it's pretty justified that he's given a prison sentence and probably has some kind of therapy as well. If you're looking purely at the circumstances of the killing it is basically assisted suicide, although in a lot of courts that would constitute murder anyway.

Timothy
10-28-2008, 01:48 PM
I kind of agree with what Maverik said, in that it is open to debate as to whether you could really define this as murder, but either way it's pretty justified that he's given a prison sentence and probably has some kind of therapy as well. If you're looking purely at the circumstances of the killing it is basically assisted suicide, although in a lot of courts that would constitute murder anyway.

Yeah, it's hard to judge a case that has no real precedent.

Daniel
10-28-2008, 01:57 PM
I don't know what the deal is in your guys' countries, but over here, statutory law says assisted suicide or 'mercy killings' like this still constitute murder. Plus given the circumstances of the case (i.e. cannibalism) it's very likely he'd be convicted of murder.

Though if he can be diagnosed with a 'recognised psychiatric illness' it's also quite likely he'd be given the partial defence of insanity, meaning he'd be detained in a mental institution until the State deems him fit for release into the public.


Me doing Law finally came in handy. :lol:

El Muerto
10-28-2008, 03:55 PM
And I think to myself.. what a wonderful world..

esaul17
10-28-2008, 03:59 PM
I don't think assisted suicide should be considered moral or be considered really wrong at all. If suicide is legal, helping someone do it should be too. However, the argument is always if the person has the correct mental faculties and such to make the decision.

If we can assume a person is in regular possession of their mental faculties and wishes to die, I think that should be fine. But it opens a scary possibility of forcing people into saying they wish to die so you can kill them without any problem.

So in principle I am for it but in practice things could get ugly.

Dr. Octogonapus
10-28-2008, 04:56 PM
I'm going to close this, just because the case is so outdated. Feel free to open a new thread about assisted suicide or whatever else you feel like discussing from this, though.