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Ryo Hazuki
02-21-2008, 10:04 PM
What do you think of this term-phrase. Do you think it's stupid or annoying? Do you think that only ignorant people mostly use the term. Do you love this word and use it for everything. Love it, hate it?
Discuss:
As for me personally, I hate this term. I've been called "Emo" many a time, and I've felt offended. Just because sometimes I am in a not so good mood does not give people a right to label me as a word, furthermore these people that call me it do not even really know me. Emo is a type of music, emotive hardcore or w/e screamo is not emo which a lot of people seem to think is. I just really hate the term and think it's quite useless and offensive, unless you label yourself as "emo". What do you think?
Screamo is emo, but with screaming. That's why it's called screamo. Surprise!
Anyway, there's a huge difference between being scene and being emo. Scene kids are generally alright, and are the ones who wear skin-tight jeans, stupid headbands, wear the "emo" hairstyle, etc. Emo kids can generally be anyone, including scene kids, who cut themselves, harm themselves, etc.
I think it's ridiculous to call someone "emo." It's stupid.
I'll use emo to describe Sunny Day Real Estate and early Jimmy Eat World, not my dumb neighbor.
esaul17
02-21-2008, 10:23 PM
Emo is a phrase that is so overused it lost any meaning. People call Panic at the Disco emo, when their lyrics and sound do not overlap at all with the stereotype. People just toss it around for the hell of it, because they can't think of an intelligent way to classify or insult a certain band. They just call it "emo" and feel it is now done with.
Emo is this social disease where you get really depressed, listen to music with lots of sad shit, dress dark, and usually get into self-mutilation as a way of relieving the terrible symptoms.
Chris(tmas)
02-21-2008, 10:36 PM
I use it all the time, just for fun :lol:
People are calling bands emo because they wear make-up.
Ryo Hazuki
02-21-2008, 10:43 PM
Emo is this social disease where you get really depressed, listen to music with lots of sad shit, dress dark, and usually get into self-mutilation as a way of relieving the terrible symptoms.
I don't believe that you are "emo" if you wear dark clothing. I genuinely like black it's my favorite color (even though it's technically not a color), and I also don't believe emo is a depressed person either.
I don't believe that you are "emo" if you wear dark clothing. I genuinely like black it's my favorite color (even though it's technically not a color), and I also don't believe emo is a depressed person either.
No.. that's like saying coughing means you have cancer. PSH! Dark clothing is just one of the things that happens to you when you get Emo.
Agent O
02-21-2008, 10:47 PM
I use it all the time, just for fun :lol:
Same here.
My idea of emo is MCR.
esaul17
02-21-2008, 10:48 PM
You also need hair styled like Zak's!
You also need hair styled like Zak's!
You mother fucker. I'm gonna kick your ass when I see you, you Canadian bitch.
On a lighter note, I, honestly, don't believe in the term 'Emo' and think it should be erased from all existence FOR AAAAALL ETERNITYYYYYYYYYYY
Messy Marj
02-21-2008, 10:54 PM
I know it's a serious topic, but this makes me laugh. :lol:
I know it's a serious topic, but this makes me laugh. :lol:
Well, at least we know you don't have Emo.
Messy Marj
02-21-2008, 10:55 PM
Well, at least we know you don't have Emo.
We have similar hair though. :o
Ryo Hazuki
02-21-2008, 10:56 PM
I'm so emo my brownies cut themselves. so har har har. Seriously I hate the word lol
I'm so emo my brownies cut themselves.
About as funny as racism, asshole. Emo is a real condition, and any joking about it whatsoever is entirely inappropriate.
vasiab
02-21-2008, 11:04 PM
Finding N-Emo????:-D
Ha! It's just another trend I think..I have a friend who became an emo just to have more crushes!:P
Ewww...I don't like emos!
Ryo Hazuki
02-21-2008, 11:05 PM
About as funny as racism, asshole. Emo is a real condition, and any joking about it whatsoever is entirely inappropriate.
Simply I disagree. But I may be an asshole. I don't believe emo is a condition, it's a term used to label people. Bi-poplar and suicidal are conditions, not emo. So once again, I disagree with you.
Theazninvasion68
02-21-2008, 11:21 PM
Emo is a label, and to justify their lack of critical thought on the spur of moment.
Because majority of people refuse to look into their life, and find out "oh, why does this person do this, listen to depressing music, ect ect.." People just don't like you;therefore just mark you as "emo" and know you as that.
jerks. D=!
Emo is a label, and to justify their lack of critical thought on the spur of moment.
Because majority of people refuse to look into their life, and find out "oh, why does this person do this, listen to depressing music, ect ect.." People just don't like you;therefore just mark you as "emo" and know you as that.
jerks. D=!
Okay. End thread.
EDIT: Nevermind. I apologize for saying End Thread. I didn't completely understand what was said in the first post, and I apologize. This isn't just an answer to what Emo is, it's a discussion of opinions, and for me to try to put an end to this thread is not right. I'm so sorry to everyone who thought the thread was over. Please resume discussion.
About as funny as racism, asshole. Emo is a real condition, and any joking about it whatsoever is entirely inappropriate.
You're comparing taking the piss out of emo to racism? Are you fucking kidding me?
I hate most things to do with Emo. It's just some ugly, mutated crap that branched out of Punk's darker side. I hate the look and most bands associated with it. I can't believe that it's actually grown so much and recognised as one of the major culture nowadays. It's completely stained rock culture and music, so much so that narrow minded cunts who don't know jack shit about rock/punk etc. just go around calling people Emos because they listen to rock music.
Bands are being mislabled as Emo and any music with what could be seen as 'Emo lyrics' is automaticly branded Emo. Fucking everything is Emo.
I tend to believe that people who choose to be Emo are either those who have a negative outlook on life and generally tend to say that their lives are much worse than they are in reality or those who are just following a trend. Anyone who actually does have problems and chooses to be Emo is an attention seeker.
I hate the whole thing with a passion and I hope this little Emo phase we're having passes. I'd rather be a Chav for fuck sake. And that's saying something considering I have a passionate hate for Chav culture. Bring back the days of Nu-Metal or Grunge is what I say. Hell Skinheads and Greasers for all I care. Just not Emo. I hope it dies quickly.
You're comparing taking the piss out of emo to racism? Are you fucking kidding me?
Okay, maybe it's more like torturing the Jews in the Holocaust to insult Emo. It's that labeling againnnn, and it hurts EVERYONE.
Okay, maybe it's more like torturing the Jews in the Holocaust to insult Emo. It's that labeling againnnn, and it hurts EVERYONE.
You can't be serious.
Emos seem to almost ask for it in my opinion. I'm not saying all of them or even a majority of them are like that but I think the whole idea of Emo is to be placed into a Category/Label.
Labels exist and there's no getting around it. That's the harsh truth. If you don't wanna be put into a label then not being Emo is a start.
You can't be serious.
Okay, Maybe it's like putting the Japanese in those internment camps to insult Emo, because they diiid bomb Pearl Harbor.. psh. Askinn for itttttt >_>
Okay, Maybe it's like putting the Japanese in those internment camps to insult Emo, because they diiid bomb Pearl Harbor.. psh. Askinn for itttttt >_>
Emo cannot be compared to race, Zak. That's like me saying every person who listens to grunge music must be a white stoner.
Zak, go away. I'll take every warning thrown at me for this, but you're an asshole. Just go away.
Ryo Hazuki
02-21-2008, 11:43 PM
The thing is that emo is NOT an condition. To some it's a lifestyle, or a label but it's surely not some kind of medical condition. I think saying it is, is kind of stupid in my own opinion. But that's why I opened this forum for people to discuss their opinions, not to start a flame war.
Zak, go away. I'll take every warning thrown at me for this, but you're an asshole. Just go away.
Okay..
The thing is that emo is NOT an condition. To some it's a lifestyle, or a label but it's surely not some kind of medical condition. I think saying it is, is kind of stupid in my own opinion. But that's why I opened this forum for people to discuss their opinions, not to start a flame war.
QFT.
Okay..
I'm being serious. You're being a complete and total idiot. This thread has nothing to do with anything you're talking about, and you're insulting a lot of different people with your remarks about racism, the Holocaust and the Japanese bombings of Pearl Harbor. None of those things have anything to do with the classification of emo as a genre or lifestyle. All you ever do is take the piss out of threads and act like a complete jackass. I don't care if I get warned, I'm sick of you causing controversy in every thread you post in. For your sake and the sanity of everyone here, GO AWAY.
Andrea
02-21-2008, 11:48 PM
Will pretty much said everything. Goodbye, Zak.
I was told to get off a bus in central London once because I'm a quarter asian and I just so happened to be wearing a back pack. The only thing an emo would get when they got on a bus looking the way they are is looks by passengers saying ''what the fuck'' which in one sense is mission accomplished to them.
Comparing emo to racism is against everything I stand for.
Labels exist and there's no getting around it. That's the harsh truth. If you don't wanna be put into a label then not being Emo is a start.
I don't think it's entirely fair to make this generalization. Some people can't help but me categorized based on how they look, no matter how different they may actually try to make themselves look, you know? I mean, I could pretty much fall into every category from "scene kid" to "prep," but I'm not really any of those things. I'm just me, as cliché as that sounds. But someone else is bound to categorize me a certain way, no matter what.
To not be something is only going to cause you to be labeled as something else, regardless.
I don't think it's entirely fair to make this generalization. Some people can't help but me categorized based on how they look, no matter how different they may actually try to make themselves look, you know? I mean, I could pretty much fall into every category from "scene kid" to "prep," but I'm not really any of those things. I'm just me, as cliché as that sounds. But someone else is bound to categorize me a certain way, no matter what.
To not be something is only going to cause you to be labeled as something else, regardless.
I know exactly what you're saying Will and I agree with you but I tend to believe that way simply because Emo appears to be one of the more extreme cultures and above all seems to be a very trendy and popular thing to do these days. If people didn't want to be put in the obivous categorisation of being Emo then quite frankly the only option is don't be Emo.
I completely stick up for those who are wrongly labeled etc. People who do that are just narrow minded idiots.
Derek The Infamous
02-21-2008, 11:59 PM
Don't worry guys, he's gone. He caused way too many fights on these forums. We finally had no choice but to ban him.
I know exactly what you're saying Will and I agree with you but I tend to believe that way simply because Emo appears to be one of the more extreme cultures and above all seems to be a very trendy and popular thing to do these days. If people didn't want to be put in the obivous categorisation of being Emo then quite frankly the only option is don't be Emo.
I completely stick up for those who are wrongly labeled etc. People who do that are just narrow minded idiots.
You've also got to consider the fact that, as I said, being "emo" and being "scene" are two completely different things. I know a lot of scene kids who aren't emo in the slightest, and have never been unhappy a day in their lives (unless they took an unsatisfying shit or something, which would probably really be the only time they were unhappy :lol:). I guarantee 90% of the "emo kids" you meet or see are actually genuinely happy "scene kids," but since you never hear about the scene kids being sad and shit like that (overgeneralization, I know), you almost hear exclusively about the emo kids.
It's kind of like how in baseball right now, all the steroid talk is making the clean players look bad and whatnot, when actually the percentage of steroid-using players is super low compared to the complete makeup of baseball as a sport. The same concept applies to being emo or scene.
You've also got to consider the fact that, as I said, being "emo" and being "scene" are two completely different things. I know a lot of scene kids who aren't emo in the slightest, and have never been unhappy a day in their lives (unless they took an unsatisfying shit or something, which would probably really be the only time they were unhappy :lol:). I guarantee 90% of the "emo kids" you meet or see are actually genuinely happy "scene kids," but since you never hear about the scene kids being sad and shit like that (overgeneralization, I know), you almost hear exclusively about the emo kids.
It's kind of like how in baseball right now, all the steroid talk is making the clean players look bad and whatnot, when actually the percentage of steroid-using players is super low compared to the complete makeup of baseball as a sport. The same concept applies to being emo or scene.
Yeah I get what you're saying (I think :lol:). I'm not saying Emos are bad people or live up to the slit-wrist shit or anything (apart from those who are just attention-seekers through and through). I just hate the decision they've made to join this unholy bandwagon. :lol:
Yeah I get what you're saying (I think :lol:). I'm not saying Emos are bad people or anything (apart from those who are just attention-seekers through and through). I just hate the decision they've made to join this unholy bandwagon. :lol:
And that's exactly what makes it a "scene," really.
In all actuality, any "scene" can be called a "scene" for sake of using stupid, improper words. I could call a group of metalheads "scenesters" and wouldn't be wrong, because they're following their own scene, which is metal.
The problem with the "emo" scene as that it's so broad a term (everything from pop punk to metalcore, nowadays) that it's just referred to as "the scene," and it's really got little bearing to do with being "emo" at all.
I agree it's a stupid bandwagon, if only because everyone and their mother is jumping on.
A friend of mine hate's emos so much that one time him and his friends just threw two of them into the Canal at Camden Lock. I don't condone that kind of shit at all and I think it was a pretty cuntish thing to do but it made me think that there really is a pure hatred for Emo in the world these days which is why it is astonishing to see so many people take to this culture which is easily targeted for abuse.
Sure enough various people are gonna hate various other cultures than Emo but Emo really does stand out, at least to me, as the culture that everyone loves to hate.
I think my dislike for Emo stems from the resentment that I have for the fact that their are several artists I like who are wrongly branded Emo and because I listen to them I get called Emo by narrow minded cunts. Those same narrow minded cunts are the type of people who'll listen to a rock song by someone like Foo Fighters or Papa Roach and call it Emo.
Daniel
02-22-2008, 12:22 AM
Yeah, I don't really like the way the term's used nowadays. I suppose I look fairly scene, I mean I DO wear skinnies and have a fringe. I also listen to bands like MCR, it just pisses me off when people don't pay attention to any of the other bands I listen to.
I've gotten into many an argument about the true meaning of emo, and that's why I'm just going to say that I don't like the term emo used the way it is most of the time. According to 90 percent of the people I know, emo is "slit slit, die choking bitch," and that's not what it is at all. Sure, there are those who act that way, but emo is more about emotions (hence the EMO part :lol:). Seriously, I don't like the term used at all, because it's pigeonholing for one, and for another, people use it in the wrong context when they use it.
Harlz
02-22-2008, 02:43 AM
I hate the whole thing with a passion and I hope this little Emo phase we're having passes. I'd rather be a Chav for fuck sake. And that's saying something considering I have a passionate hate for Chav culture. Bring back the days of Nu-Metal or Grunge is what I say. Hell Skinheads and Greasers for all I care. Just not Emo. I hope it dies quickly.
Yes please, Like, extremely soon.
Emo is a stupid fad that will pass on soon enough, and everyone is gonna be too embarrassed to admit they were ever into it.
I'm just sick of the 'emo' kids who think they're non-conformist.
Chris.
02-22-2008, 03:03 AM
YOU JUST DON'T UNDERSTAND
*cries*
Linja
02-22-2008, 05:00 AM
I don't know, I just don't know. I don't actually consider emo. It's like the curtains (that I still don't have!) on my window. It's just there. I like the style. I'd totally get myself a long fringe if my hair wasn't so damn curly. It's the stereotype I don't understand.
its barely even a genre.
fans of old hardcore didnt like the direction some of the musicians were heading in, ie ian mackaye and guy picciotto forming fugazi, and jawbreaker touring with nirvana. hence the term 'emocore' being brought about as a derogatory epithet.
Cale.
02-22-2008, 06:16 AM
Emo is bollocks.
It's psuedo-rock.
The pseudo bit implying it's actually shithouse.
I'd totally get myself a long fringe if my hair wasn't so damn curly.
Off topic, but I just realized that that would look totally amessing. :D
vasiab
02-22-2008, 04:40 PM
Emo is bollocks.
It's psuedo-rock.
The pseudo bit implying it's actually shithouse.
I totally agree with you!...pseudo-genre
Ryo Hazuki
02-22-2008, 07:46 PM
Once again, I think the term is bullshit. It really pisses me off when people label me as emo. I listen to all types of music, and AKG, is not emo for all the non smart people that tell me all japanese music is "emo" pffts.
Don't worry guys, he's gone. He caused way too many fights on these forums. We finally had no choice but to ban him.
Mind if i kiss you? :lol:
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Personally I dislike emo's. However the emo's i know are probably different to what you think. I live in a street which has a few emo's in it, now i don't mind people at all, but when I'm walking past them, well first of they are wearing their skinny jeans around their knee's, now being me, I don't want to look at their bright fucking white boxers with their non existent crotch(s). Now you might think I'm exaggerating the around the knees thing, I'm actually not, I asked Sam why he does it and he said that the top of his knee caps tied with his belt keep them up. So to sum up, I generally dislike emo's how look rather than how they act, it's not because the clothes are black or purple, it's because the way they wear them is ridiculous.
So i dislike emo's because of a very small group next to where i live, other than that i don't have a problem with anyone.
Luke - Yup I'm with you on being a chav than an emo. and I hate Chav's too. :lol:
Arashi
02-24-2008, 05:48 AM
I use it all the time, just for fun :lol:
Same.
Emo is when people are sad to be noticed.
OVERRATED.
Arlene
02-24-2008, 02:07 PM
I think using the term is stupid, mostly because noone knows how to really use it. For example, my friends are like "Oh har har har you like Linkin Park? They are so EMO!" And I'm like "...Linkin Park aren't emo is any way...so I don't take offense because you obviously have no idea what you're talking about."
It's just stupid in my opinion.
And haha, this is my first time going through this thread, and that Zak dude was a complete ass. Kudos to Will for just putting it out there, I was thinking the same thing as I was reading through the thread, :lol:.
I think using the term is stupid, mostly because noone knows how to really use it. For example, my friends are like "Oh har har har you like Linkin Park? They are so EMO!" And I'm like "...Linkin Park aren't emo is any way...so I don't take offense because you obviously have no idea what you're talking about."
It's just stupid in my opinion.
And haha, this is my first time going through this thread, and that Zak dude was a complete ass. Kudos to Will for just putting it out there, I was thinking the same thing as I was reading through the thread, :lol:.
QFT. So many people say LP are Emo and I just don't even respond because that's fucking absurd.
And to be honest I'd been wanting to say something to Zak for weeks but I didn't want to risk a forum war or something. I'm glad Will and the staff stepped in though and I'm glad he's gone.
Same.
Emo is when people are sad to be noticed.
OVERRATED.
Yeah, for sure.
erasethepain
03-12-2008, 06:12 AM
just about any band today that comes out is emo. they all sound high pitched over punk rock meets goth rock guitars. and the lyrics are kinda creative but they all sound the same. i don't know how panic at the disco isn't emo. and the phrase is thrown around so much because that's the music and image that's being produced alongside rap and a little pop and it's getting irritating. all we have is emo and pop. i do not like the direction rock music is taking and as much as people hated nu-metal at least they had something in common. people that hated nu-metal liked the bands those bands were influenced by. maybe i dont enjoy emo that much because im not influenced by the bands emo is mostly inspired by. not to mention even former nu-metal bands linkin park and papa roach are promoted alongside and like emo bands.
the most original ROCK singer that has came out in the last couple of years (that i can think of) is daughtry and he came off american idol. seriously. we need more rock singers that can sing and sound good without a band. i don't hate emo, there's just so much of it out there there's no wonder why the word gets thrown around.
we should list the bands that are not emo and why to make it clear why 99% of the bands emo fans say are not emo actually are. for one, nickelback for example. the music, the actual music, does not sound emo. it may be pop but it is not emo. for 1) chad kroqger (sp?) can sing with a deep, aggresive signature rock voice that has personality and depth 2) the music does not sound emo. angry, sad, and poppy? yes but not emo. not punk rock with dark, distorted guitars. the only thing thats left is do they dress emo? chas has long, blonde hair and a beard. he looks like a country singer or metallica if anything so id say no.
there is a difference beetween emo and dark/angry music. emo is a trend, not just musically but has a fashion, and dark angry/music has been around for years and years because people have felt dark and angry for years and years. people dont just call people emo because its depressing its because emo is a trend and people are fitting in and playing along with that trend. those people that do that dont know the difference because they prolly didnt get into the music scene before emo.
just how i feel.
Chris.
03-12-2008, 06:24 AM
Daughtry is FAR from original.
erasethepain
03-12-2008, 06:43 AM
I'm talking about his voice. And compared to the 2424324432234 emo bands I would say his voice is pretty original.
Chris.
03-12-2008, 06:53 AM
I'm talking about his voice. And compared to the 2424324432234 emo bands I would say his voice is pretty original.
And compared to 4534543543 rock bands, it's not.
esaul17
03-12-2008, 07:11 AM
erasethepain: Panic at the Disco have lyrics like:
"'Cause it's nine in the afternoon
Your eyes are the size of the moon
You could 'cause you can so you do
We're feeling so good
Just the way that we do
When it's nine in the afternoon"
How exactly is this in any way, shape, or form emo? Lyrics count for something here, as emo is supposed large based on the lyrical content.
How do they sound emo? They are hardly dark, but closer to dance. Gothic guitars? Not at all. Sure Brandon's voice is a bit high, but I hardly think a high voice makes you (look out Rush, apparently you're emo now!). Sure, you may think he dresses emo, but that has absolutely nothing to do with the genre of music they make.
Harlz
03-12-2008, 10:35 AM
And compared to 4534543543 rock bands, it's not.
Yea, Daughtry ain't shit. Nothing special at all.
Daniel
03-12-2008, 12:40 PM
I agree, Daughtry is probably one of the LEAST original bands/singers I've heard in a while. As for him being a rock singer that can sound good without a band? What the fuck? Last I checked he was backed by drum/bass/guitar. :rolleyes:
Honestly, I think this debate is pointless. Let people listen to the music/dress how they want. It's their choice. I for one wear tight jeans, have a fringe, dyed hair and the like. And yes I have a Fall Out Boy sig. But I have (what I feel) is a very diverse taste in music. The whole 'emo' term is over-used IMO anyway. It's all just music to me :lol:
Dushan
03-12-2008, 12:40 PM
I agree with Ataka, emos are sad cuz they didn't noticed by other people, and as other of u said earlier, there are many scene kids that think they'r emos just becouze of style... It ceartnly a social disease, and it keep spreading... all in all, we cannont discuss about tastes, all of us have diffrent and emo is one of it ;)
Bands like LP are paired with emo bands on tour simply because money hungry labels such as Warner are only following the emo trend. They see that it's taken off (for whatever reason I don't know) and it's, dare I say, the most popular form of rock music out there today. A good example of this is when the Nu-Metal phase was around, Evanescence's label wanted them to focus on mixing goth style rock with the Nu-Metal sound which is why Evanescence don't sound anything like they did back in 2003.
Also, Daughtry is a talented guy alright but he is in no way unique or original.
Bands like LP are paired with emo bands on tour simply because money hungry labels such as Warner are only following the emo trend. They see that it's taken off (for whatever reason I don't know) and it's, dare I say, the most popular form of rock music out there today. A good example of this is when the Nu-Metal phase was around, Evanescence's label wanted them to focus on mixing goth style rock with the Nu-Metal sound which is why Evanescence don't sound anything like they did back in 2003.
It's not as if there are many bands still playing nu-metal anyway.
Ryo Hazuki
03-14-2008, 10:59 PM
I'm sticking with my original opinion that "EMO" is just a label. It's used mostly by people who don't know what the hell they are talking about. I can understand, and comprehend using the term when kidding around but when labeling a person "EMO" because they listen to Visual Kei bands and dress all in black, I find that very offensive. Why can't a person just not have a label and be what they are? A person that likes black, and Visual Kei? And, yes many many many people I know say that all Visual Kei bands are "Emo"
Voltage
03-15-2008, 03:29 AM
I think it should just be used to describe that genre of music.. nothing more, nothing less
I Scream
03-22-2008, 11:16 AM
You're comparing taking the piss out of emo to racism? Are you fucking kidding me?
I hate most things to do with Emo. It's just some ugly, mutated crap that branched out of Punk's darker side. I hate the look and most bands associated with it. I can't believe that it's actually grown so much and recognised as one of the major culture nowadays. It's completely stained rock culture and music, so much so that narrow minded cunts who don't know jack shit about rock/punk etc. just go around calling people Emos because they listen to rock music.
Bands are being mislabled as Emo and any music with what could be seen as 'Emo lyrics' is automaticly branded Emo. Fucking everything is Emo.
I tend to believe that people who choose to be Emo are either those who have a negative outlook on life and generally tend to say that their lives are much worse than they are in reality or those who are just following a trend. Anyone who actually does have problems and chooses to be Emo is an attention seeker.
I hate the whole thing with a passion and I hope this little Emo phase we're having passes. I'd rather be a Chav for fuck sake. And that's saying something considering I have a passionate hate for Chav culture. Bring back the days of Nu-Metal or Grunge is what I say. Hell Skinheads and Greasers for all I care. Just not Emo. I hope it dies quickly.
that is not very respectful, and a violation to multiple forum rules.
you should show at least some intelligence and respect other people's choices. personally, i find this reaction disgusting. if people considered as ''emo'' (including myself) like the msuic that they like and wear the clothes that they wear, let them! what if someone told you ''i absolutely hate your style, i hope you drop it quickly and i tell you to not listen to the music you like'' would you find it anywhere near ''fair'' , "normal"or "respectful"? of course not! but it is what youa re doing now.
Emotive Hardcore. End of story. Look it up. It's not this whole "oh, I'm so sad, and no one understands me", it's just what it is. Emotive Hardcore. PATD isn't emo, all these people trying ot pass themselves off as emo are just either depressed, or pretending to be something they don't understand, or percieve as something it's not.
Ryo Hazuki
03-23-2008, 12:59 AM
that is not very respectful, and a violation to multiple forum rules.
you should show at least some intelligence and respect other people's choices. personally, i find this reaction disgusting. if people considered as ''emo'' (including myself) like the msuic that they like and wear the clothes that they wear, let them! what if someone told you ''i absolutely hate your style, i hope you drop it quickly and i tell you to not listen to the music you like'' would you find it anywhere near ''fair'' , "normal"or "respectful"? of course not! but it is what youa re doing now.
Dude, emo is just a label. (IMHO) What defines emo in the sense of clothing style or music? You NEED to read this whole entire thread and if you had then I'm sorry to say you've missed a lot of things so go back and read again.
Like OFFA said, emo was originally Emotive Hardcore, not some type of label to stick on people
And as I've said all along liking black does not make you emo, listening to PATD does not make you emo, cutting yourself doesn't even make you emo, that just makes you a person who needs a therapist.
And actually I've found you the one being rude in saying that a person can not voice their opinion and discuss what they think emo is.(you didn't use those words but the message is the same) A person can voice their likes and dislikes. If I had said "I HATE FISH!" so, is that disrespectful for all the people who love fish? If someone wants to say they hate a certain style they can because it's their opinion and it's not harmfull or disrespectful at all.
Further more, this is a discussion thread. It's what it's for.
that is not very respectful, and a violation to multiple forum rules.
you should show at least some intelligence and respect other people's choices. personally, i find this reaction disgusting. if people considered as ''emo'' (including myself) like the msuic that they like and wear the clothes that they wear, let them! what if someone told you ''i absolutely hate your style, i hope you drop it quickly and i tell you to not listen to the music you like'' would you find it anywhere near ''fair'' , "normal"or "respectful"? of course not! but it is what youa re doing now.
Actually I was invoking my freedom of speech to speak of my hatred for Emo. It's my opinion and I wont change it.
Also if it was a violation of the forum rules then why havn't I been warned yet? I've been here nearly 4 years, I know the rules. ;)
Emo is applied to people way too much, kind of like Goth. They're also mis-applied, if you wanna call it that. I know someone who's into Death Metal, and they do the whole white facepaint, black eye stuff. That's Death Metal. I also know someone who's into the whole scene thing. Scene and Emo are not the same thing. As for Goth, well, that's a whole different story. Emo and Goth are pretty much the same thing. You can be both without: being depressed, cutting, wearing dark makeup, having a weird haircut, wearing dark clothes, wearing tight clothes... Contrary to popular belief, most true "Emos" and Goths are actually quite happy people. Sure, they have their ups and downs like the rest of us, but that's just it. They're like the rest of us. Hell, recently, I've been getting into a bunch of Gothic stuff, but yet I'm not depressed, cutting, etc. Yes, it's true I wear black nailpolish, etc., but that's because I like it, not because I want to conform to a label.
I Scream
03-23-2008, 05:47 AM
i just fail to understand how one can ''hate'' a whole (pretty big) group of people. do you know all of them? have you any reason to hate them for the music they like? i mean, i hate rap music, but i don't have to hate all the ''gangsta'' people out there, i know some of them must be nice, so i tend not to say: ''i hate them''. my opinion is thus that i (to use your words) hate people who judge by appearance and music taste, or who just say things like ''i hate emos/goths''
@OFFA:
i so agree with you. people see someone who in their eyes is a ''filthy goth'' and they just call it at them without thinking it through. i had a load of ''filthy goth''s and ''emofag''s thrown at me for practically the last three years. yes i wear a load of black. yes my hair covers my eye. yes i have mental issues. yes i am depressed a load. yes i am emotionally unstable. but can i do anything about it? can i change what i like? i am just who i am. if i see a shirt i like, i get it. if that shirt is considered ''emo'', who cares? it's not like i'm trying to be emo.
i just fail to understand how one can ''hate'' a whole (pretty big) group of people. do you know all of them? have you any reason to hate them for the music they like? i mean, i hate rap music, but i don't have to hate all the ''gangsta'' people out there, i know some of them must be nice, so i tend not to say: ''i hate them''. my opinion is thus that i (to use your words) hate people who judge by appearance and music taste, or who just say things like ''i hate emos/goths''
Excuse me, maybe you'd like to read all my posts in this thread before you start ranting at me.
You have no right to be telling me my views are wrong, especially since it seems you havn't even bothered to actually read the whole thread. If you did then you'd see this post:
Emos seem to almost ask for it in my opinion [the abuse that they get and the label that is placed on them]. I'm not saying all of them or even a majority of them are like that but I think the whole idea of Emo is to be placed into a Category/Label.
Labels exist and there's no getting around it. That's the harsh truth. If you don't wanna be put into a label then not being Emo is a start.
For your information I'm the last person in the world to prejudge someone. When I see someone who genuinly has problems in their lives but still perseveres and gets on with their lives it sickens me to see someone who over-exagerates their problems/actually has no problems who beg for attention like little brats. Like Jesse (Grey Incubus) said earlier, just because I hate the culture that doesn't mean I hate the people. I hate those who chose to become emo to gain attention.
I by no means am saying that all people who chose to be emo are like that and I don't think even a majority of people do that however in my honest opinion the whole look of the culture is to be noticed and get attention. That's my opinion and whether you think it's wrong or not isn't of my concern.
Also, for your information, on this forum we use something called grammar and if you want to be taken seriously around here then you might wanna use it.
Janie Jones
03-23-2008, 06:21 PM
Yes, it's true I wear black nailpolish, etc., but that's because I like it, not because I want to conform to a label.
I shouldn't be butting into arguments because I just came back here, but that's very true. I think the problem is the image and the personality get confused a lot. mean, you can't help what you like, if you're a guy and you like eyeliner, or if you like the whole emo look on you, or think painting little bats near your eyes is cool, go for it, by all means. It makes you feel good to look a certain way, you should be ostracized for it. But some people try and mould their personality to conform to a stereotype, and that always annoys me. I guess when I sometimes speak aout hating, 'emo people', it is't because they like MCR or FOB or have hair sweeping their eyes or whatever. It's the fact that they moan about their non existent problems and think they're so 'cool' or whatever that does me. And this is by no means any sort of broad description of whom I think emos are, it's just- when people say they hate emos, I think this is the thing that they're talking about. When the style and the culture clash with personality. It's tough to seperate them because most of the times they overlap, I guess.
If someone likes the look of emo then fine, more power to them. I quite honestly don't understand why anyone would want to be emo but that's irrelevant. One thing I will say though is that if you chose to have the emo look then you're gonna be placed in a label like it or not.
I don't like labels any more than anyone else does but I can accept that they exist.
I know they exist, I just choose to ignore them. If that makes any sense. :lol:
I Scream
03-23-2008, 08:45 PM
Excuse me, maybe you'd like to read all my posts in this thread before you start ranting at me.
You have no right to be telling me my views are wrong, especially since it seems you havn't even bothered to actually read the whole thread. If you did then you'd see this post:
(...)
For your information I'm the last person in the world to prejudge someone. When I see someone who genuinly has problems in their lives but still perseveres and gets on with their lives it sickens me to see someone who over-exagerates their problems/actually has no problems who beg for attention like little brats. Like Jesse (Grey Incubus) said earlier, just because I hate the culture that doesn't mean I hate the people. I hate those who chose to become emo to gain attention.
I by no means am saying that all people who chose to be emo are like that and I don't think even a majority of people do that however in my honest opinion the whole look of the culture is to be noticed and get attention. That's my opinion and whether you think it's wrong or not isn't of my concern.
Also, for your information, on this forum we use something called grammar and if you want to be taken seriously around here then you might wanna use it.
i totally agree with the bold part.
and i apologize for being respectless myself, i guess i'm just way to used to prejudging people who would react on this basically with ''shut up, emo-fag''
by the way, what did i do wrong grammar-wise??
I shouldn't be butting into arguments because I just came back here, but that's very true. I think the problem is the image and the personality get confused a lot. I mean, you can't help what you like, if you're a guy and you like eyeliner, or if you like the whole emo look on you, or think painting little bats near your eyes is cool, go for it, by all means. It makes you feel good to look a certain way, you should be ostracized for it. But some people try and mould their personality to conform to a stereotype, and that always annoys me. I guess when I sometimes speak aout hating, 'emo people', it is't because they like MCR or FOB or have hair sweeping their eyes or whatever. It's the fact that they moan about their non existent problems and think they're so 'cool' or whatever that does me. And this is by no means any sort of broad description of whom I think emos are, it's just- when people say they hate emos, I think this is the thing that they're talking about. When the style and the culture clash with personality. It's tough to seperate them because most of the times they overlap, I guess.
i mostly agree with the bold parts again. i just want to say that indeed - you are you and you should be able to choose what to wear and what to listen to. adressing myself - if i wear skinny jeans and i striped t-shirt with a black-and-white hoodie, i get two hundred ''emo-fag''s hurled at me every day. But i want to look this way and feel good looking this way, so i do.
about the underlinded part: this is not always the fact. i for one have an actual mental illness, and indeed a load of problems in everyday life. but yes, i do resent the peeple who in any way think it is ''cool'' or whatever to have problems, or ''like''it in any way. bacause i can speak for most of us if i say that i don't enjoy having problems. I just do. i'm not going to whine about it here, and it takes a pretty lot of trust from me to get anything real out of me; i just find that talking about it can indeed be a great help. But it truly bothers me that anyone would be considered ''tough'' or ''cool'' for having problems
Personally I think it's quite ridiculous for someone to lambaste other people because they choose to dress a certain way over another way one might find normal or at least more normal than the way they're choosing to dress in the first place. It's also quite dumb when the argument is brought up along the lines of, "You wouldn't like it if someone lambasted you for the way you dress, so why lambaste them?" Their response is always, "I wouldn't care." So why do it to them? Did it ever occur to you maybe they don't care either? If you've got to go out of your way to list reasons why "emos" or "scene kids" are so weird and crazy and how they "deserve" to be made fun of, then maybe you need a lesson in ethics or something, because that's the stupidest thing in the world.
I'm not saying anyone deserves to be persecuted simply by the way they dress...in fact I stand for the opposite. It's when people use the way they look and adopt a certain way of life that seems to scream out ''look at me!" that gets on my nerves.
I personally hate the look and I hate the fact that it's come to the point that if you put emo as one of your styles on your myspace music page (even if you're style isn't emo whatsoever) then you're gonna gain a fuck load more attention than many other better sounding bands out there because emo is the trend at the moment.
As I've said before, the only people I dislike who have anything to do with emo is the attention seekers and the people who just blindly follow it because they see it's the latest trend and just conform to it.
@I Scream - You don't use capitals or anything lol.
Ryo Hazuki
03-24-2008, 12:07 AM
Who said anything about making up reasons to make fun of the label(stereotype) "Emo". I was saying that its a right to say you do not like a certain style and if someone told me that they didn't like mine, which people have I wouldn't give a shit because I don't care what they think. I would care if people label me as emo though(as they have) as most people associate the word with depressed, crazy people who loves to make all their problems known, which isn't what emo is at all. It's a person who is just cray and depressed and who wants to make all problems known. I hate sandals! did I offend all the people on the beach wearing sandals? I don't think so.
:ermm: I wasn't really directing that to anyone here. It was more of a general statement.
Something interesting: 90% of the emo artists listed on any music site have nothing to do with the original emo music, which evolved from... hardcore punk.
Something interesting: 90% of the emo artists listed on any music site have nothing to do with the original emo music, which evolved from... hardcore punk.
That says just about everything.
EDIT: I'll elaborate on that seeing as no one got it lol.
Basicly I was just saying out it really says volumes when you see all these emo bands who, really aren't actually anything to do with emo, getting mainstream success.
I'm confused as to that last comment, but okay...
@I Scream - You don't use capitals or anything lol.
There should have been a comma before 'lol'. :P
Honestly, people should actually read my posts. I explained the hardcore connection pretty well a couple of pages ago.
I'm confused as to that last comment, but okay...
Mine?
El Muerto
03-24-2008, 12:55 AM
@I Scream - You don't use capitals or anything lol.
That's not grammar but capitalization/punctuation.
There should have been a comma before 'lol'. :P
Honestly, people should actually read my posts. I explained the hardcore connection pretty well a couple of pages ago.
I just figured out that whole connection. Tells you how into that stuff I am. I just listen to music for the music, and dress how I want, because I like it, not because of the trends.
Ryo Hazuki
03-24-2008, 12:56 AM
I'm surprised that this thread is still active.
That's not grammar but capitalization/punctuation.
Those come under grammar. Grammar is the structure and presentation of language, which both of those are used for.
El Muerto
03-24-2008, 12:57 AM
I just listen to music for the music, and dress how I want, because I like it, not because of the trends.
That's the only right way
That's not grammar but capitalization/punctuation.
My god...Okay fine I Scream I apologise for being wrong about grammar as Dusan just pointed out to me. It is in fact capitalization that you got wrong. :rolleyes:
EDIT: Fuck it. It is grammar.
El Muerto
03-24-2008, 01:09 AM
Those come under grammar. Grammar is the structure and presentation of language, which both of those are used for.
Well not really.. maybe in the most broadest meaning of the word grammar
@hellflame: that's what you get when you're trying to act smart and correct people even when they're right ;)
Mine?
Your post was sort of weird.
@Dusan:
Drop it.
Well not really.. maybe in the most broadest meaning of the word grammar
Don't start a riot.
El Muerto
03-24-2008, 01:14 AM
Don't start a riot.
Great. Now you reminded me of Hayley Williams..
Well not really.. maybe in the most broadest meaning of the word grammar
@hellflame: that's what you get when you're trying to act smart and correct people even when they're right ;)
Dusan, what you just said was ridiculous and made no sense. Especially considering you're actually wrong. ;)
Great. Now you reminded me of Hayley Williams..
Good gawd, not again. :lol: Take it to RT.
So, emo...
Yeah, back on topic, or I get the feeling this is gonna get locked.
So, emo...
Sunny Day Real Estate and early Jimmy Eat World.
NOT Paramore and Panic At The Disco.
Epic921
03-24-2008, 01:55 AM
I think it's kind of an ignorant term...
LinettePham
04-22-2008, 06:37 PM
emo is just a trend that hit the mainstream & like the offspring of "mainstream counterculture" (for lack of a better phrase) it will rise, fall, & branch off into a zillion more meaningless trends--which the mainstream will of course steal, calculate & market to the next egofreak generation...
Chocolate
04-24-2008, 08:12 PM
I think it's kind of a stupid term. I've seen millions of people use it though.
minuteforce
04-25-2008, 03:48 AM
I think it's kind of a stupid term.word.
i resent the term -- i mean, can anyone explain to themselves and others what it actually means?
BTW, we should start a thread on grammar and discuss that. :lol:
Speed Freak
04-30-2008, 07:12 PM
I think it's kind of an ignorant term...
I agree... I think its misunderstood...
erasethepain
05-05-2008, 02:28 AM
i think its good because it helps desribe a genre of music.
as for labelling people, if people dont want to be called emo then they shouldnt dress emo.
Ryo Hazuki
05-05-2008, 02:31 AM
i think its good because it helps desribe a genre of music.
as for labelling people, if people dont want to be called emo then they shouldnt dress emo.
Tell me, what is dressing emo? Having a certain type of hairstyle? Wearing black cloths? Having piercings? There is no such thing as dressing emo, and people shouldn't be stereotyped according to what they wear. I don't believe you can dress emo, since it's a genre that means emotive hardcore
Tell me, what is dressing emo? Having a certain type of hairstyle? Wearing black cloths? Having piercings? There is no such thing as dressing emo, and people shouldn't be stereotyped according to what they wear. I don't believe you can dress emo, since it's a genre that means emotive hardcore
As much as I hate saying this, just like with punk and goth rock, a subculture has developed based on the fashions that emotive hardcore artists wear. However, most of the fashion comes from alternative bands mislabeled as emo.
Real emo bands:
Beefeater
Dag Nasty
Embrace
Fire Party
Gray Matter
The Hated
Moss Icon
Nation of Ulysses
Rites of Spring
Shudder to Think
Now, anything that deals with any sort of emotion, regardless of how the song is presented musically, is labeled automatically as emo.
Ryo Hazuki
05-06-2008, 01:12 AM
As much as I hate saying this, just like with punk and goth rock, a subculture has developed based on the fashions that emotive hardcore artists wear. However, most of the fashion comes from alternative bands mislabeled as emo.
Real emo bands:
Beefeater
Dag Nasty
Embrace
Fire Party
Gray Matter
The Hated
Moss Icon
Nation of Ulysses
Rites of Spring
Shudder to Think
Now, anything that deals with any sort of emotion, regardless of how the song is presented musically, is labeled automatically as emo.
I know, It's that I don't agree with it. I find it somewhat offensive.
Most times I just try to ignore things but sometimes I'm in a bad mood, and well that's just say everyone ends up with a grudge. :lol:
Haha, I get where you're coming from. I just dress how I want to dress, not how I'm dictated to dress. If it's Goth, or Punk, then it's purely coincidental.
minuteforce
05-06-2008, 06:59 AM
Now, anything that deals with any sort of emotion, regardless of how the song is presented musically, is labeled automatically as emo.Well, how did people use it before? :mad: Nowadays, it's pretty much, if you hate an artist, they're "emo". Or one of your friends is recovering from a loss or some traumatic experience - so they're "emo". Someone accidentally draws a little blood from their finger while handing a needle - "emo". You're not a brave enough person to admit that you cry - so you call everyone else "emo".
And, so on.
F**kin' bullsh*t. Seriously.
Well, how did people use it before? :mad: Nowadays, it's pretty much, if you hate an artist, they're "emo". Or one of your friends is recovering from a loss or some traumatic - so they're "emo". Someone accidentally draws a little blood from their finger while handing a needle - "emo". You're not a brave enough person to admit that you cry - so you call everyone else "emo".
And, so on.
F**kin' bullsh*t. Seriously.
I'll admit I use "emo" as an insult, but I really don't think the way people who actually call things "emo" and mean it do. I think it's absolutely stupid to hear a rock song about a girl and automatically label it "emo." It just makes no sense to me.
As has been pointed out, Sunny Day Real Estate and early Jimmy Eat World are real good examples of accessible emo. Even early Saves the Day is a good example. I'd even go so far as to say Far may even be considered emo.
minuteforce
05-06-2008, 07:08 AM
As has been pointed out, Sunny Day Real Estate and early Jimmy Eat World are real good examples of accessible emo. Even early Saves the Day is a good example. I'd even go so far as to say Far may even be considered emo.So what's the common thread here? :)
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