What Happend to Mr. Hahn?

[MooMoozer]

I noticed on the album (which I like sorta) you dont hear much of Joe anymore.
what happend to him, I think the music would be more reconizable if there was that electronic sound to it.

Has anyone else noticed the that you don't hear him that much anymore or is that just me?

[Bryan]

I can only hear him in In pieces and What I've Done.

[Cartman]

Yeah I've noticed that too. To be honest, it really sucks to see Joe simply stand behind his turntables and do nothing.

[Christopher]

I noticed it too and more Joe Hahn in the songs was definetily something I was hoping to here on the new record.

[CHW42]

Go watch the What I've Done video again and pay attention to Joe, in this one scene he was shaking his head like a madman. Pretty funny lol. But yea he's basically the least showcased memeber of the band, before they actually gave him his own song, well now, he's just directing the videos. Well at least it's something.

[MooMoozer]

He was really the reason I likes LP so much to begin with the scratching gave their songs an edge. But with out it... it seems kind of blank and empty.

Maybe thats why it's so hard for me to really get into these songs.

[RyzinEnagy]

Go watch the What I've Done video again and pay attention to Joe, in this one scene he was shaking his head like a madman. Pretty funny lol. But yea he's basically the least showcased memeber of the band, before they actually gave him his own song, well now, he's just directing the videos. Well at least it's something.

I do wanna hear Joe more, but I don't think the members of the band just supressed it and kept him out against his wishes. I think he's playing other roles inthe music, including directing videos, like you said.

Or maybe Joe wasn't around during the entire recording process. Just throwing around theories.

[Enjoiske]

I do wanna hear Joe more, but I don't think the members of the band just supressed it and kept him out against his wishes. I think he's playing other roles inthe music, including directing videos, like you said.

Or maybe Joe wasn't around during the entire recording process. Just throwing around theories.

everybody did everything. Joe did vocals even. But they were bad. THe band members didnt play their usual roles, and hahn did record scratches but alot were muted. I blame Rick Rubin. But he slides because the beastie boys record he produced was great.


lol im drunk never mind me. But i speak the truth! And my typing is pretty good for a man under the influence!

[Pr3D]

It's their new sound I guess, just like how it drops the rapping undertone, it drops alot of the effects hahn contributed. It's a shame. They should of let him spin his own dedicated track again - it was a cool touch - and they won instrumental awards for those tracks.

And the jump between 'Cure for the Itch' and 'Session' showed hahn's maturity and progression. We can't benchmark him now.

Come next album he might not exist if they keep rick rubin.

[Harlz]

He was there as much as on Hybrid Theory... His beats are far more prominant than ever before as well. The only difference is they aren't basing songs on samples, thats what Meteora was, they already did that.

[Klootzak]

How would a Linkin Park album co-produced by Rick Rubin and Hahn sound like? Would be a cool idea if he did...

[Lenore]

Turntable-ism is more than just record scratching. I think he's shifted into a more Frank Delgado (Deftones) role, who doesn't use traditional scratches at all. It's just more subtle than previous albums.

Little Things, Shadow, In Between are good examples. It also looks like he does the piano part for Bleed It Out on his sampler (or it appeared so from the SNL clip)

[Con Psy]

yeah but think he'll actually have loads to do live because LP arent gonna be carrying an string orchestra with them on tour. so on shadow of the day, leave out all the rest. he play the string parts and the other parts that the band dindt play on his vinyl. Sucks tho because Wake would have sound better with scratching and effects, they could have made another song like numb which is based on Joe's sample

[the_chemist]

there is no piano part on "bleed it out".

joe's doing a lot of the synth stuff on the album. he's not going with the "nu-metal scratching" anymore, as that's more of the old LP sound; his scratches are rare on this album - just "what i've done" and "in pieces", i think, but joe plays a big part in the album's ... atmosphere, nonetheless.

[Gitsnik]

Yeah I also think that Joe will have enough things to do on stage.

[Snail]

Like checking his email. XP

[Xenogenesis]

I think Joe Hahn can be heard several of times in the songs; just not prominently as much as the scratching previously. Right now I assume that you could hear some of his simple sampling in Shadow of The Day, scratching on prominently the beginning of Valentine's Day when Chester's voice gets raspy or something, In Pieces more scratching as well as The Little Things You Give Away.

[User Name]

The band members didnt play their usual roles, and hahn did record scratches but alot were muted. I blame Rick Rubin.

Take that with a grain of salt. The band has been known to be sarcastic and joking in the past. Like how they buried the Meteora demos in the backyard.

[-x-ecks-x-]

I saw on stage that he has a lot more equipment, like a laptop for one. He's not a designated turntablist (if that's a word). There are a lot of samples still on the new album, although you really have to pay attention to hear some of them.

Considering the huge success of M2M, we can be sure that LP will be back. They will continue to evolve this new sound and I think they will start to pick up on their roots again. This album was them maturing and stretching new muscles. Chester even said in an interview that the band was absolutely positive they would lose fans with this album, and they didn't care. I respect that, they do enough for the fans, it's about time they did something for themselves. After Meteora, I think they started to feel weighed down by their "style". A Hybrid Theory: Part 3 would have been cool, but I think their next album will be amazing.

They aren't afraid anymore due to their recent success. LP are definitely here to stay, and I'm sure Joe will be back bigger then ever.

[spikeshinizle]

Although I do miss his scratches, they wouldnt fit into most songs. I'm pretty sure Joe was responsible for a lot of the synth stuff, which a lot of songs have. As well as some of the smaller beats that Rob doesnt play. Overall, I think he gave some of the songs their ambience, so they werent just guitar and drums.

[Feenix]

It is sad Joe and Mike have been pushed to the side with the band's new sound. They were primarily the hip-hop element of the band and with a lot of that gone, there's not a whole lot for them to do.

It does make watching them live quite funny though, cause Joe just stands there doing his head-bopping thing and nothing else for very long periods of time.

[-x-ecks-x-]

He said in an interview years ago, that half of what he does already was head banging. I think he's fine with it.

[Colonel Sanders]

Ok people, ive just been informed from sources unknown, that DJ mr. hahn, is not daed. :lol:

[Cuidado314]

It is sad Joe and Mike have been pushed to the side with the band's new sound. They were primarily the hip-hop element of the band and with a lot of that gone, there's not a whole lot for them to do.

It does make watching them live quite funny though, cause Joe just stands there doing his head-bopping thing and nothing else for very long periods of time.


It's not that they've been pushed to the side... Mike co-produced the album, which is a chore all in it's own. And Joe still provided the samples and some beats, so it's not like they were 'stripped of their duties' so to speak. They all compiled tracks, and all decided on what songs made the album, so it's not like they lacked the input, either. It was a decision made by the band as a whole, so if they're happy, we should be as well.

[LP_mydestiny]

Yeah. I noticed that too. May be the LP wants to change the style
Anyway, I love all especially Joe

[Jordan]

there is no piano part on "bleed it out".

joe's doing a lot of the synth stuff on the album. he's not going with the "nu-metal scratching" anymore, as that's more of the old LP sound; his scratches are rare on this album - just "what i've done" and "in pieces", i think, but joe plays a big part in the album's ... atmosphere, nonetheless.

Listen again.

[lparks41]

It's their new sound I guess, just like how it drops the rapping undertone, it drops alot of the effects hahn contributed. It's a shame. They should of let him spin his own dedicated track again - it was a cool touch - and they won instrumental awards for those tracks.

And the jump between 'Cure for the Itch' and 'Session' showed hahn's maturity and progression. We can't benchmark him now.

Come next album he might not exist if they keep rick rubin.

Please don't keep Rubin...lol I mean it's great that he has produced so many great records in the past, but I don't get what everyone sees in Rick thats so great in contribution to Lp's sound, Don was much better for Lp's style. I'm not saying go back to Don, but please don't choose Rubin again.

[Tomozaurus]

Scratching is not all that Joe does!
He is hugely prominet on this album. Wake includes many synthy Joe things at the beginning section. LOATR is almost all Joe. SOTD is almost all Joe except for the solos at the end. What I've Done includes scratching. No More Sorrow has some synth drums in the intro. In Between is all Joe. In Pieces includes scratching and a very prominent hip hop beat and TLTGYA includes a very promintent hip hop beat.

He is still a massive, massive part of this album. Only Given Up, The two rap songs and Valentine's Day include no Joe influences, and even some of them include backing tracks that Joe would have to play live.

[Scotty]

No More Sorrow has some synth drums in the intro.
Aren't they the wooden drums they were talking about using?

[Jammist]

I miss a lot of Joe's more prominent work. He no longer has his own song or any scratch solos. Ultimately I guess he probably did not have a huge say in it...like from that interview by LPA (which was tight as shit btw), he apparently did a lot of scratching but it ended up being "muted out". Perhaps it was necessary. At least hes directing cool videos still?

As for the amount of work he does on stage and what not with the new album and songs...well according to what I have heard from certain people I know, he gets paid the least out of the 6 members. I guess he doesn't mind due to that...besides, he has SURU keeping him busy now lol.

Hopefully he will make his return next time!!!

[kev]

Maybe Joe will have something on LPU 7. As for Rubin, I'm not a big fan. They just picked him up for his big name and I think, even though the album was pretty good, it could have been better. Look for Mike to produce the next album by himself.

[EagleMorph]

Joe Hahn is actually the only musician playing anything at the beginning of The Little Things Give You Away, until the acoustic guitar comes in.

He's not scratching much, but he's still heavily involved.

[Con Psy]

Scratching is not all that Joe does!
He is hugely prominent on this album. Wake includes many synthy Joe things at the beginning section. LOATR is almost all Joe. SOTD is almost all Joe except for the solos at the end. What I've Done includes scratching. No More Sorrow has some synth drums in the intro. In Between is all Joe. In Pieces includes scratching and a very prominent hip hop beat and TLTGYA includes a very promintent hip hop beat.

He is still a massive, massive part of this album. Only Given Up, The two rap songs and Valentine's Day include no Joe influences, and even some of them include backing tracks that Joe would have to play live.

Joe is in Valentine's Day, he plays those sounds of wind blowin gin the beginning 20 seconds. He is not in Bleed It Out but plays the piano bit live, all the songs that he isn't on like Hands Held High, he'll just play the string parts on them. But he won't do anything in only Given Up when they play it live

[User Name]

he apparently did a lot of scratching but it ended up being "muted out". Perhaps it was necessary. At least hes directing cool videos still?

Minus 60 points for taking the band too seriously.

[jonedj82]

yeah there's definitely scratching on the beginning of LTGYA, and that beat is held through the whole song..but i agree. just cause theres less scratching doesnt mean he's not doing somthing. the album as a whole is veryyyy electronic besides one or two songs if you really think about it.

[Bryan]

Actually, If you listen carefully he is in Shadow Of The Day, Leave Out All The Rest, Wake, Valentine's day and he does scratching in What I've Done, In Pieces, and The Little Things Give You Away.

[Con Psy]

In Between only has Joe playing doesn't it. Maybe Phoenix recorded the cell part or someone else did but it not being played but looped. So i suppose it''s kind of a solo Hahn track

[Penny]

I miss Joe in this album!
Sth funny about it(from www.linkinpark.com) by Mike Shinoda:
http://forums.linkinpark.com/showthread.php?t=1276

[lpkornfan22]

you guys keep on blaming Rick Rubin for the absence of Joe but its not entirely his fault
i mean what Rick Rubin did was throw suggestions at Linkin Park
he probably didnt command them to do something
they wanted to change what they had accomplished and maybe Joe wanted to try something new instead of the traditional scratching pieces

[The Catalyst]

Rick Rubin didn't ruin the new record. Like lpkornfan22 said, he didn't make them change, it's something that the band did themselves.