VA Tech Shooting

[palingenesis]

http://www.cnn.com/2007/US/04/16/vte...ing/index.html

This happened not too far away from my college campus and not only that I know some people there. Some are saying this is the worst school shooting yet, and CNN confirms this is deadliest shooting in the U.S.

With at least 20 dead and more than 25 wounded, it is stuff like this that makes me a little angry, worried and all those other feelings that came with Columbine.

Why does stuff like this happen? Even if there is no good explanation, let's talk about.

[11:54]

32 people are dead and atleast 28 more wounded is what I heard last. When I first head the story, it was 1 dead and a few wounded. I also heard he went into a classroom, gathered up students, and shot them execution style., thought I don't knwo how much truth there is to that.

This is very sad indeed and I can never understand why people do these kind of things. :(

[shockwave]

32 people are dead and atleast 28 more wounded is what I heard last. When I first head the story, it was 1 dead and a few wounded. I also heard he went into a classroom, gathered up students, and shot them execution style., thought I don't knwo how much truth there is to that.

This is very sad indeed and I can never understand why people do these kind of things. :(

yeah, the execution process is true unfortunately. what i dont get is the time difference between the two attacks (2 hours). i was very suprised to hear that they hadn't found the gunman before.

extremely depressing to hear an attack like this has happened again...they really need to look into it further to prevent it happening again. i heard that am attack like this has happened before on 19 different occasions, which is very sad.

[Will]

Earlier in the day I'd heard that there was only a couple people shot dead, and I assumed that one of those people was the shooter and he'd killed someone he didn't like, like a professor or something.

But when I got home from my classes, my dad told me that at least 30 people had been shot dead and it shook me to my bones. This situation is really scary to me because I'm going to be attending Kent State this coming fall and it could happen there just as it happened at Virginia Tech.

My condolences go out to the families of all the people killed today...

[Fatal]

This is just plain horrible! What do people try to earn out of doing such things?

[Mark]

What the fuck?!

[Chris Luke]

Man do I hate violence.

[Christopher]

I just heard 33 people died (including the shooter) during the shooting...

Seems really pointless violence and I feel bad for all the people who suffer from it.

[Luke]

What the fuck is wrong with some people in this world. Why the fuck would you shoot 32 students? Dear god.

R.I.P. All those who passed away today.

[MooMoozer]

I just heard about it. When did this happen?

Maybe that's why I felt so down today.

[ryuranshin]

My condolences to all the families and friends of the victims.

[越南]

wow thats really fucked up. who the hell is crazy enough to go through such a thing like that

[Shade]

Hey guys, I go to Virginia Tech, and yeah things a pretty crazy here. Went outside this morning to go to my first class and sirens were everywhere. We have a big field in the middle of campus (Drillfield) and everybody was just standing there confused while police swarmed the campus. Spent most of the day locked in the dorms, watching TV and trying to get calls out. Instant Messenger has never been so valuable. Anyways...yeah, just figured I'd post.

[Andrea]

When I came home from work today my mom just randomly hugged me. I found it odd and I asked her if she was ok. She said that there was a massacre at Virginia Tech and she wanted to hug me to let me know and let herself know how much she loves me. When she told me about the shooting I instantly felt sick and overcome with such sadness. How someone can be so selfish and commit such an act is beyond me.

Condolences to all.

[Louis]

Hearing about this ruined my day. It's terrible. Absolutely terrible.

Condolences to the victims' families and friends.

[Mark]

Hey guys, I go to Virginia Tech, and yeah things a pretty crazy here. Went outside this morning to go to my first class and sirens were everywhere. We have a big field in the middle of campus (Drillfield) and everybody was just standing there confused while police swarmed the campus. Spent most of the day locked in the dorms, watching TV and trying to get calls out. Instant Messenger has never been so valuable. Anyways...yeah, just figured I'd post.

Wow, man. It must be absolutely surreal to be in the middle of a storm like that. I'm so sorry to hear it happened.

I mean, could you hear the gunshots? How long a walking distance is it from the two separate areas of campus where the shootings occured 2 hours apart? How close are your dorms to either shooting? There's just so many questions.

This is twice now we've had a forum member living in the middle of a tragedy like this. It's so unfortunate things like this have to happen.

[Todd]

Hey guys, I go to Virginia Tech, and yeah things a pretty crazy here. Went outside this morning to go to my first class and sirens were everywhere. We have a big field in the middle of campus (Drillfield) and everybody was just standing there confused while police swarmed the campus. Spent most of the day locked in the dorms, watching TV and trying to get calls out. Instant Messenger has never been so valuable. Anyways...yeah, just figured I'd post.

Damn, that must've been scary as shit. Glad to hear you're OK, and I hope all your friends who go to VT with you are OK.


This makes our powdered sugar anthrax scare 2 months ago seem like nothing.

[Tomi]

My computer science teacher had it on the tv during lunch and break, and I was watching it. Damn. RIP to those killed, and best of luck to those who are in critical condition.

[Rahat]

Hearing about this reminds me of when my friend got shot and when i almost did, being on the opposite end of a gun is the scariest feeling in the world...rest in peace to those who died and i know how the families of the students must feel now...it really sucks

[Kate]

I heard about this when I saw the Ctrl-Alt-Del splash page. I'm shocked that someone would do this. I hope there's something we can do, later on, to help.

Meanwhile, I hope those who were injured recover quickly, those who were killed rest in peace, and the families and friends of all find comfort.

[Mark]

There's actually some lunatics out there posting pictures on websites about how this could have been prevented if the students had been allowed the "peacable possession of firearms".

Yeah, 26,000 vigilantes with guns. Sounds like a fucking brilliant idea.

I'm incredulous as to the ridiculous nature of these people and their campaign. Who the hell turns a group created to share condolences in this terrible tragedy into a gun rally? The fucking nerve of some people.

[Shade]

Wow, man. It must be absolutely surreal to be in the middle of a storm like that. I'm so sorry to hear it happened.

I mean, could you hear the gunshots? How long a walking distance is it from the two separate areas of campus where the shootings occured 2 hours apart? How close are your dorms to either shooting? There's just so many questions.

This is twice now we've had a forum member living in the middle of a tragedy like this. It's so unfortunate things like this have to happen.

I couldn't hear the gunshots, the first shooting was in West Ambler Johnson Hall, a coed dorm. My dorm Pritchard is right next to it - so that was a little freaky. I know several people living in West AJ, but they're all ok. The remainder of the shootings as I understand it took place in Norris Hall, an academic building on the other side of campus, separated by a huge field.


Damn, that must've been scary as shit. Glad to hear you're OK, and I hope all your friends who go to VT with you are OK.

Thanks, just happy it's over and my friends are ok.

Anyways, we're all awaiting to see what the rest of this week will bring, and the inevitable storm of controversy. Everyone is wondering why classes weren't canceled after the first shooting (the two were separated by 2 hours). Even if there was a solid reason for it, it's sure to brood a lot of anger.

[androidkaita]

I feel sorry for all the people that died, my condolences to there families.

ok, this is just ridiculous, as soon as this happens, some idiot makes a rant about how this was caused by video games.
http://pspupdates.qj.net/Jack-Thompson-links-Virginia-Tech-shooting-to-videogames/pg/49/aid/89634

[abajaj2280]

there are people on MSNBC posting comments saying that more people should have died...
WTF

[Daniel]

Turns out it was a result of his ex-girlfriend, or something.
http://news.ninemsn.com.au/article.aspx?id=261454

What the fuck is wrong with this world?

[Mark]

The events today which saw the senseless murder of 32 students our age at a quiet university campus in Virginia are an absolute tragedy of the highest proportions.

Can you imagine something of this nature happening to you? I know some of us have taken living in Canada for granted in times like these, saying "there's no way something like this would happen in Canada", but remember that students at Dawson College in Montreal learned that the hard way back in September. It was those events that led me to do a study as part of my Business Communications research report on the effect of shootings like this on the sense of security of Memorial students. For the most part, even in the wake of the Dawson College shootings, most of my surveyed participants said living in Canada made them feel safer from the occurence of events like these.

The fact of the reality in times like these (and I'm not fear mongering) is that this can happen anywhere, anytime. We need to be aware of this. By all means, don't let the fear of a potential school shooting change the way in which you go about your life on and off campus. That's not my point. But events like this help put things into perspective. You can be here one day and gone the next. There is no certainty in the world when it comes to things like this.

This is why these events hit me so hard today. I was outraged to hear about the shootings, and the fact that the world had been robbed off 32 bright young students in an absolutely senseless act of cowardice. This is not some "the world is so unfair" rant, but things like this are just surreal. I couldn't believe it.

Anyways, I joined a group created to share condolences with those affected by the Virgina Tech shootings, only to find it overran with inconsiderate scum pushing agendas that these events wouldn't have happened if students at VT were allowed to "peaceably possess firearms". Are you fucking kidding me? First off, who has the nerve to turn a group created to share thoughts and prayers with the victims and their affected families and friends of this massacre into a gun rally? Secondly, that's the most asinine idea I've ever heard. Creating a school of 26,000 vigilante students wielding guns does not prevent violence, it only increases the chance of events like this occuring again. And who's to say that this shooter wasn't a student from on campus? Yeah, providing potential lunatics like the shooter with guns is a brilliant idea. I could not stand to be surrounded by such idiocy, so I left.

I am appauled by the inconsiderateness and nerve of some people who take advantage of tragedies like this to try to rally support for their personal agendas. Would you not be incredulous if someone came out and said in the wake of 9/11 that regular passengers should be allowed to carry weapons on board planes to prevent terrorist hijackings?

Then again, judging by the amount of intelligence portrayed by some people, somebody probably already has.

Just put this in my Facebook notes.

[Todd]

Anyways, we're all awaiting to see what the rest of this week will bring, and the inevitable storm of controversy. Everyone is wondering why classes weren't canceled after the first shooting (the two were separated by 2 hours). Even if there was a solid reason for it, it's sure to brood a lot of anger.

Thats really what angers me. Canceling classes could have prevented this, and these 30 people might still be alive.

[Mark]

Thats really what angers me. Canceling classes could have prevented this, and these 30 people might still be alive.

Well, the ones who weren't shot in the first shooting, at least.

I have to question their choice not to cancel classes, as well. I mean, even if they didn't think students were at risk, wouldn't they cancel anyways for grieving and to calm the students down?

[Todd]

Well, the ones who weren't shot in the first shooting, at least.

I have to question their choice not to cancel classes, as well. I mean, even if they didn't think students were at risk, wouldn't they cancel anyways for grieving and to calm the students down?

You'd think so. My school didn't hesitate to shut down the entire campus when a student in one of the buildings went nuts, called in a bomb threat (for a single building, not even the entire campus) and claimed a white powder he had in a bag was anthrax. (no bomb, and it was powdered sugar). You would think that a fucking double homicide on campus would be enough to cancel classes if powdered sugar is. The VT administration really screwed this one up, and I hope they truly regretted it.

I wonder if they were reading My Pet Goat for those 2 hours

[Harlz]

Dammit, its just pathetic how some people react to things.

Im hearing that its because his girlfriend broke up with him.
I feel sorry for the guy, but everyone has problems like that, he should've dealt with it like the rest of us.

My sympathies to the families of those who passed today.

[Tomi]

I feel sorry for all the people that died, my condolences to there families.

ok, this is just ridiculous, as soon as this happens, some idiot makes a rant about how this was caused by video games.
http://pspupdates.qj.net/Jack-Thompson-links-Virginia-Tech-shooting-to-videogames/pg/49/aid/89634
*mutters* That man is getting on my nerves.

He just has to follow around every fucking shooting and blame it on video games. "Hey look! A shooting! VIDEO GAMES! VIDEO GAMES! VIDEO GAMES!"

I can't believe he can call himself a "school shooting expert" either. Unbelievable.

[Shade]

I'm sure there's going to be tons of asinine statements about how students should be arming up to prevent this in the future. I know several people who already think that. I find it absolutely amazing that anyone could think it would be wise to arm a college population. What better than to combine binge drinking with munitions.

There's a memorial convocation tomorrow. The rest of the week is anyone's guess. It's very strange to see your college, which really becomes your home, or at least it has mine after three years, all over the news. Though I have not been hit directly by this as of yet, my roommate and several other friends of mine have. The response from the global community has been pretty astounding. I've heard from people near and far passing their condolences, as have most students here.


I have to question their choice not to cancel classes, as well. I mean, even if they didn't think students were at risk, wouldn't they cancel anyways for grieving and to calm the students down?

In all honesty a lot of the campus population didn't even know about the first shooting to begin with. It happened so early in the morning, and many students aren't quick to check their email around 9 am - assuming their up to begin with. My roommate went to his 8 am without any knowledge of anything. I actually told him about it all when I turned around after attempting to get to my 10 am. My ex got out of class around 9 am and police were closing off the building she was in (next door to Norris where the second shooting took place). She asked what was going on and they only replied with "something's happening" and ran off. While everything was unfolding a lot of us knew very little. The administration simply didn't take the first shooting seriously enough - a costly mistake. A mistake's a mistake, but somebody is gonna catch a lot of flak over this one.

TIME posted an article talks about the lack of communication well:

http://www.time.com/time/nation/article/0,8599,1610857-3,00.html

[Mark]

It's really crazy, how fucked up some people can be. I can't even begin to imagine how surreal all of this is to you, Shade.

I mean, hell, it's surreal to me and I'm a University student living in Eastern Canada. I flipped out when I heard the news. I was fixated on CNN for 4 hours as the news rolled in. I'm disgusted and dismayed by the senselessness of all of this. It must be tenfold for the students of VT.

Once again, my condolences go out to all the victims, their families and friends, and all of the students of VT who had to go through such a traumatic and horrific tragedy. Words can barely even describe how shocked I am about the entire incident.

Take care, Shade. Wow.

[Todd]

In all honesty a lot of the campus population didn't even know about the first shooting to begin with. It happened so early in the morning, and many students aren't quick to check their email around 9 am - assuming their up to begin with.


All it takes is for one student who does check his e-mail to call or text a few friends, who in turn, do the same. During our scare, that's how word got around since e-mails were sent only 30 minutes before the first class. And for those of us who didn't hear the news before hand, the police barricades, crime scene tape, and HAZMAT tents were enough to alert you that something was up.

I've seen the "There's no way they could alert everyone" excuse used a few times today. No, there isn't a way to alert every single one, especially when you have more than 20,000 students. But they could have definitely gotten the word out to thousands of students, and if it would have saved one life, it would've been worth it. It just seems to me that the administration really messed up on this one.

If I were you, I don't know if I could ever go back to that campus and especially that building. It felt weird enough going back into the building where some student threatened to infect people with powdered sugar the day before, it definitely was a strange feeling, that I think would be a lot worse considering what happened at VT.

And now, we have to worry about copycat attacks. IIRC, we had a few after Columbine. It scares me to think what else may happen in the coming weeks. And security at a college is impossible. There's no realistic way to have students go through metal detectors or stuff like that, people are always coming and going, and hundreds of students enter a building at a time for class. Its not like high school where you go in the building and stay put all day. What happened today really makes you realize how vulnerable colleges around the world are to this.

[Shade]

I do agree that the administration messed up big time. I think a lot of this could've been avoided if they had contacted the RAs within the dorms waayyy earlier. It's not too difficult for each RA to bang on the 20 so doors they watch over and that would get the word out quickly to most of the on campus residents, where it clearly needed to.

[Todd]

I also want to know how the hell this guy was able to kill 30 more people before law enforcement took him out. 1 guy with a couple pistols vs a SWAT team with all sorts of assault rifles? It took them that long, and they're not even the ones who took him out? I think there are a lot of questions here that need to be answered....

[Mark]

I also want to know how the hell this guy was able to kill 30 more people before law enforcement took him out. 1 guy with a couple pistols vs a SWAT team with all sorts of assault rifles? It took them that long, and they're not even the ones who took him out? I think there are a lot of questions here that need to be answered....

I believe he chained the doors at Norris hall, where the second set of shootings occured.

Police had to blow up the doors with explosives to get inside.

[Tomi]

I believe he chained the doors at Norris hall, where the second set of shootings occured.

Police had to blow up the doors with explosives to get inside.
Well, at least he was smart, I'll give him that, but damn.

[Arhaz]

how could they have allowed the university to continue even after the first shooting? that was just plain stupid.

[Andrea]

I do agree that the administration messed up big time. I think a lot of this could've been avoided if they had contacted the RAs within the dorms waayyy earlier. It's not too difficult for each RA to bang on the 20 so doors they watch over and that would get the word out quickly to most of the on campus residents, where it clearly needed to.

Ugh, I just want to hug you. Seriously. I feel the same way as everyone in this thread and even though I don't live in VA, it's just so difficult to go on with every day life. I can't imagine how you must feel. Please know that my thoughts and prayers are with you and to everyone that has been affected by this tragedy.

[El Muerto]

Fucking shit I just heard about this. My condolences.

I still don't know the details and I really don't have a slightest idea how could something like this happen.

[Andrea]

CNN.com and every news site out there now has a picture of the killer.

The gunman is identified as Cho Seung-hui, a 23-year-old English major from South Korea.

[Arhaz]

the shooter is most probably chinese or korean, asian to be more sure. about 24 years of age. about six feet. male for sure. a foreign student of the university.

[Dart]

i'm sorry for everybody who died and their families...here in croatia people are shocked...it was the number one topic on the news...a terrible tragedy...i hope shit like this don't happen again,but they will and no law can stop it...that's the sad truth...as long as psychos walk freely, this shit will happen

[Joeykat]

Holy hell.. There are some sick people in this world who need help or to be locked away forever.

My condolences to everyone affected. I'm just hoping nothing like this happens to my college because most of the classrooms are in an eight floor tower block, practically no escape.

[Christopher]

We talked about it for a little while at school today, our teacher told us that Bush actually said this could've been prevented if teachers (and students) were allowed to carry guns with them to school. >_<

That's the most ridiculous thing I've heard...

I think it's a weird situation, though. There isn't a whole lot of information that got throught the first day.

I have no clue what he used as weapons and not even if he was the only one shooting... because there were too shootings.

The news over here was useless, it just said how many people died and got injuried that's it.

[Mark]

Bush didn't say that. I think your teacher was overexaggerating.

Incidents like this provoke people to call for changes to the the second ammendment; the right for an american to bear arms. Bush defended the amendment, saying people should be allowed to possess firearms. He said nothing about whether teachers and students should be wearing firearms in school.

I do believe the US has to beef up their gun control laws, though.

[Christopher]

Bush didn't say that. I think your teacher was overexaggerating.

Incidents like this provoke people to call for changes to the the second ammendment; the right for an american to bear arms. Bush defended the amendment, saying people should be allowed to possess firearms. He said nothing about whether teachers and students should be wearing firearms in school.

I do believe the US has to beef up their gun control laws, though.

Oh, right... thought so too, well then I know how much I can trust her "objectif" opinion as a teacher. >_<

I had seen Bush on tv talking about this, but as far as the fragment of his speech goes he didn't talk about teachers carrying guns, but I thought the fragment I had seen might've been a different part of the speech...

Yeah, the gun control laws are really mild over there.

Over here you can't have a gun without passing an exam, being 18,... all these conditions.
Once you have your gun, you can't keep it loaded, the bullets have to be inside another box.
You can't carry a gun outside either.

[Andrea]

He left a note:



Cho left a long and vitriolic note in his dorm room, law enforcement sources told ABC News. It contains an explanation of his actions and states, "You caused me to do this," ABC News reported.

It also railed against "rich kids," "debauchery" and "deceitful charlatans" on campus, according to the Chicago Tribune.

o.o

Source. cnn.com

[Dr. Octogonapus]

I fucking hate the US media. They're all making this out like it could have been prevented, that they should have shut down the entire campus after the lone shooting earlier in the day. Uhh, HELLO?! The first shooting WASN'T EVEN ON THE CAMPUS, and there was no indication of the suspect heading toward the college immediately afterward. It was a whole 2 hours between the shootings, so how the FUCK would ANYONE have thought it was anything more than a domestic violence type deal at that point?

Talk about gun control and college security all you want, but if you ask me, nobody did anything horribly wrong here.

[Shade]

The first shooting WASN'T EVEN ON THE CAMPUS, and there was no indication of the suspect heading toward the college immediately afterward.

Uh... dude the first shooting happened in a dorm on campus like 50 yards away from the dorm I'm in. So it definitely happened on campus.

[Christopher]

Talk about gun control and college security all you want, but if you ask me, nobody did anything horribly wrong here.

I think he shouldn't have ever been able to get his hands on a gun... there is something wrong with gun control.

[Chris Luke]

UGH. Here we go. Blame everything from the goverment to fucking gun control. How about let's calm the hell down, give our sympathies and shut the hell up. And I love how people who are talking against our goverment are not even from here. Just because you know a few laws about our country DOES NOT mean you fully understand it.

I'm sorry but I'm just seeing this everywhere. No, I am not a "Proud to be an American" asshole here, but come on. Bush nor our goverment pulled the trigger, the guy with the gun did. The man did what he did, we can't do anything about it unfortnatley. Just get over it.

I'm sorry if this offended anyone, but I'm getting sick of people bad mouthing something, espically in a situation like this. I really wish people didn't get into arguments to flex there politcal knowledge muscle bullshit when 30 college kids are shot and killed.

And just so I can cover this, there is nothing we can do about gun control laws except getting rid of it all together. And this gun control law has been in place for a while. See, people do many things with guns besides kill eachother, from hunting to collecting. We can't just take those guns out of there hands. Is it wrong? In my opinon, yeah. But we can't do anything about it because we don't know who the next Columbine shooter is going to be.

[Messy Marj]

This really made me feel sick and really really fucking angry. This asshole was a selfish bitch.

[Mark]

UGH. Here we go. Blame everything from the goverment to fucking gun control. How about let's calm the hell down, give our sympathies and shut the hell up. And I love how people who are talking against our goverment are not even from here. Just because you know a few laws about our country DOES NOT mean you fully understand it.

I'm sorry but I'm just seeing this everywhere. No, I am not a "Proud to be an American" asshole here, but come on. Bush nor our goverment pulled the trigger, the guy with the gun did. The man did what he did, we can't do anything about it unfortnatley. Just get over it.

I'm sorry if this offended anyone, but I'm getting sick of people bad mouthing something, espically in a situation like this. I really wish people didn't get into arguments to flex there politcal knowledge muscle bullshit when 30 college kids are shot and killed.

And just so I can cover this, there is nothing we can do about gun control laws except getting rid of it all together. And this gun control law has been in place for a while. See, people do many things with guns besides kill eachother, from hunting to collecting. We can't just take those guns out of there hands. Is it wrong? In my opinon, yeah. But we can't do anything about it because we don't know who the next Columbine shooter is going to be.

I think you may be the one blowing things out of proportion. :)

I just meant that as an aside, not to be directly related with this shooting. Of course this wouldn't have been prevented.

Also notice how I defended Bush (wow.) after an incorrect statement was made about him. ;)

I live in a nation of gun owners. There's tons of them all over the place. Long-barrel ones at that. Who needs handguns to hunt? And why cater to those who collect guns? I think a dramatic decrease in amount, or even the abolishment, of handguns on the streets would be beneficial.

[Chris Luke]

We don't either. I mean, we never really massacre people every day or anything.

Man, I can't even win in this. Mark kinda has me beat hahaha.

But just, let's lay off of bashing the goverment for my health haha and remember what happened here and everything else. I also had a friend that goes to VT, he got saved because he over slept, thank God.

[Mark]

We don't either. I mean, we never really massacre people every day or anything.

Man, I can't even win in this. Mark kinda has me beat hahaha.

But just, let's lay off of bashing the goverment for my health haha and remember what happened here and everything else. I also had a friend that goes to VT, he got saved because he over slept, thank God.

Yeah, and again I never meant for this to be a rallying cry for gun control. I just mentioned one sentence and it kinda got turned into a debate. :P

You'll notice I wrote a long rant about people inserting personal agendas into tragedies like this on the first page. Haha.

[ragingxchaoz]

Norris hall will be closed for the rest of the semester.

In my opinion:

Yes, killing himself is a sin, killing others is a greater one. Killing more than 30 people is way beyond the word "UNACCEPTABLE". I'm not trying to defend him, but i think he is just too sick to control himself not to do this.

Antidepressants... medication made him too sick, just like eric harris.
it's painful, so just let it go. RIP.

p.s.: Don't blame on the RAs. remember one of the RAs is a victim too. Blame on the administration office, because they didn't even try to close down our dorm, which is connected with west ambler johnston. They are just too confident that they could control this entire situation, they learned their lessons in august already.

[Dart]

I think he shouldn't have ever been able to get his hands on a gun... there is something wrong with gun control.


you americans...tell me something...HOW THE FUCK can a 20 year old student get a fuckin GUN into his possesion just like thet...and not just him...everybody in fuckin america can get a gun in no time (and i mean buy it..not steal it from his dad,a war veteran with 15 rifles,4 handguns and a bazooka in his garage-cos he's a WAR FUCKIN VETERAN so he can have whatever weapon he wants-that bullshit happens in croatia too) i mean buying the weapon...we've done in school endless talks about the american mentality and laws and we didn't come to any conclusion...

[El Muerto]

Well I'm from Serbia, and I'm a 20 year old student and I can easily buy a gun illegaly for 100e ;)

[Derek The Infamous]

Thank you Dusan, what country we are from does not mean shit, you can buy a gun legally or illegally in any country.

I just learned a holocaust survivor and one of the top 5 researchers in the world were also killed in this attack. It just..gets..worse.

[Mark]

you americans...tell me something...HOW THE FUCK can a 20 year old student get a fuckin GUN into his possesion just like thet...and not just him...everybody in fuckin america can get a gun in no time (and i mean buy it..not steal it from his dad,a war veteran with 15 rifles,4 handguns and a bazooka in his garage-cos he's a WAR FUCKIN VETERAN so he can have whatever weapon he wants-that bullshit happens in croatia too) i mean buying the weapon...we've done in school endless talks about the american mentality and laws and we didn't come to any conclusion...

Do you have anything else to add other than American bashing?

Calm down.

[El Muerto]

Thank you Dusan, what country we are from does not mean shit, you can buy a gun legally or illegally in any country.


My point exactly, guns are available everywhere now and that's why all the shit happens in the world.
But I don't think I could buy it legally here at the moment, I don't really know how it's regulated in USA or anywhere else...

[Dart]

Well I'm from Serbia, and I'm a 20 year old student and I can easily buy a gun illegaly for 100e ;)

yeah,i know...you can illegaly buy a gun anywhere pa tako i u srbiji i hrvatskoj :) but a problem in america is that you can LEGALLY buy a gun even easier...so i ask how come?

[Andrea]

It's the never ending debate over gun control and the right to bear arms. People feel the need to have guns to protect themselves. Then you have the people who are messed up and use guns to fulfill their sick fantasies to do more harm than good. It's a torn situation.

[Derek The Infamous]

Next person to bash America in this thread gets a spoonful of warning for breakfast. In the aftermath of what happened a few days ago, it seems people keep trying to blame others for what happened, when in reality what's important is what happened to these students.

Don't bring anything political into this tragedy because the kid who it was sold to never had a criminal record, had a clean bill of mental health, and showed no signs of being the psychopath he's starting to be portrayed as in the media. The gentleman at that store had no reason NOT to sell this kid the gun, as he was of age and everything else checked out, so how dare you bring how much America sucks or our 'lax gun laws' into the equation. Plain and simple this kid was a schizophrenic and was capable of going from a normal kid to an alternate personality (his imaginary brother "question mark") at the drop of a dime.

I'm just sick of this. Other countries are going 'SHAME ON AMERICA FOR LETTING THIS HAPPEN' when they have absolutely no facts as a basis to form this conclusion. The kid was over 18, seemed friendly, had no criminal history/mental health record and seemed calm and reserved when he picked up the guns. The salesman followed procedure and maybe some of you gun control advocates need to realize that.

[Andrea]

Derek, I do agree with you except this guy was not right in the head at all so I'm not sure what you are basing your opinion on. :lol: I mean, I've watched the videos on cnn.com of the students describing how he acted and how he was as a person. You cannot deny that he was not troubled.

[MooMoozer]

Does anyone else notice that mass violence happens during this week?

1. This
2. Columbine - April 20th
3. Oklahoma City Bombing - April 19th

[Derek The Infamous]

Andrea: Yeah but in the same respect, he never had a mental health history (legally at least), and never committed a crime. From what I can understand he was very capable of acting calm when he wanted to be because he has two different personalties. I in no way support the kid, in fact I think he sounded like a loser, and still is one in death, but I'm defending the gentleman who sold it to him because he had no way of telling this kid would snap. If the kid managed to come off calm, and everything legally checked out, by law the salesman has done all he can to ensure the gun is going in the right hands, and its out of his control from there.

If you ask me, looking at this kid compared to some of those whacked out looking rednecks who legally own guns, I'd expect the redneck to snap before the quiet Asian kid. Seriously.

[Andrea]

I'm defending the gentleman who sold it to him because he had no way of telling this kid would snap. If the kid managed to come off calm, and everything legally checked out, by law the salesman has done all he can to ensure the gun is going in the right hands, and its out of his control from there.

Well yeah, that I can agree with.

[Derek The Infamous]

Well yeah, that I can agree with.

That took a while to type that. :lol:

Yeah screw the guy who did the shooting, the kid was bizarre the day he came over here from the sounds of things..I don't even know why they allowed him here.

I'm insensitive to the kid sure, but he was the type of kid who would've been abused at my old school, for being strange as hell. The kids at my old school (hence why I hate it) would've really tortured a kid like this, so I wonder if V-Tech was the same.

[Andrea]

On cnn.com:


Cho Seung-Hui, the gunman in the massacre that claimed more than 30 lives at Virginia Tech, was taken to a mental health facility in December 2005 after two female students complained that he had approached them inappropriately. Authorities were told he might be suicidal, Wendell Flinchum, the Virginia Tech police chief, told reporters today.

Well there's proof now. Ugh.

Bastard.

[Christopher]

Well there's proof now. Ugh.

Bastard.

I heard about that on tv just now...

Apparently he wrote very violant stories and his English teacher wanted to seperate him from the rest of the class because they felt uncomfortable with him around.

[Dart]

Next person to bash America in this thread gets a spoonful of warning for breakfast. In the aftermath of what happened a few days ago, it seems people keep trying to blame others for what happened, when in reality what's important is what happened to these students.

Don't bring anything political into this tragedy because the kid who it was sold to never had a criminal record, had a clean bill of mental health, and showed no signs of being the psychopath he's starting to be portrayed as in the media. The gentleman at that store had no reason NOT to sell this kid the gun, as he was of age and everything else checked out, so how dare you bring how much America sucks or our 'lax gun laws' into the equation. Plain and simple this kid was a schizophrenic and was capable of going from a normal kid to an alternate personality (his imaginary brother "question mark") at the drop of a dime.

I'm just sick of this. Other countries are going 'SHAME ON AMERICA FOR LETTING THIS HAPPEN' when they have absolutely no facts as a basis to form this conclusion. The kid was over 18, seemed friendly, had no criminal history/mental health record and seemed calm and reserved when he picked up the guns. The salesman followed procedure and maybe some of you gun control advocates need to realize that.


first...i'll bash (if you call it bashing) anything that is rotten in it's core like the american law and the moral of it's society in general...it is my CIVIL RIGHT to comment on anything i want to...is so in my country and i assume it is so in your "cradle of democracy"...the truth is that shit like this happens in some other countries except america...BUT HEY!!!when is the last time you have heard a swiss student slaughtered 30 students on his college in switzerland...do the european countries have their "columbine" every couple of years?no..they don't...if it happens once in a decade in the whole europe it's too much...this case is a proof that the usa is the country where you can gain access on weapons shamingly quick...and your goverment (put aside your president.we're talking about the senate,and the whole system) still takes no action in regulating or strenghtening the laws on weapon control KNOWING that the criminal rate in their country is significantly higher than in other ones...also they could fight criminal a bit more and take some action against the weapon black market...

this is not bashing...this is the truth...if anyone wants to warn me or ban me cos' of this disscussion i urge the administrators of this forum to delete me from this forum permanently..."cradle of democracy"-bear that in mind

[Minus]

first...i'll bash (if you call it bashing) anything that is rotten in it's core like the american law and the moral of it's society in general...it is my CIVIL RIGHT to comment on anything i want to...is so in my country and i assume it is so in your "cradle of democracy"...the truth is that shit like this happens in some other countries except america...BUT HEY!!!when is the last time you have heard a swiss student slaughtered 30 students on his college in switzerland...do the european countries have their "columbine" every couple of years?no..they don't...if it happens once in a decade in the whole europe it's too much...this case is a proof that the usa is the country where you can gain access on weapons shamingly quick...and your goverment (put aside your president.we're talking about the senate,and the whole system) still takes no action in regulating or strenghtening the laws on weapon control KNOWING that the criminal rate in their country is significantly higher than in other ones...also they could fight criminal a bit more and take some action against the weapon black market...

this is not bashing...this is the truth...if anyone wants to warn me or ban me cos' of this disscussion i urge the administrators of this forum to delete me from this forum permanently..."cradle of democracy"-bear that in mind

Calling something rotten is bashing, my friend.

Second, your argument about gun control is a completely different topic entirely.

THIS THREAD IS ABOUT THE VIRGINIA TECH SHOOTINGS, THOSE LOST, ETC. IT IS NOT ABOUT GUN CONTROL, HOW MUCH AMERICA SUCKS, ETC. THIS THREAD IS FOR THOSE WHO WOULD LIKE TO GIVE THEIR CONDOLENCES TO THE FAMILIES WHO HAVE LOST LOVED ONES.

And as a note: (Basically) All governments are corrupt, and don't do enough in terms of guns. Get over it.
----
On another note, I mentioned this earlier in the 'Got Something You Want To Let Out?' thread. It seems that there is starting to be some retaliation (sp?) against Asians over this. I'm experiencing it over here (Yay Texas! [sarcasm]), and I don't know how the long term effects of this tragedy will affect everyone else.

[Andrea]

@Dart: Maybe you should come to America and fix it for us since you think you know so much.

Please stop bringing political shit in this thread and have some respect for this tragedy.

Update on cnn.com:


A court order from 2005 states that Virginia Tech killer Cho Seung-Hui was declared mentally ill and "an imminent danger to others," a district court clerk tells CNN.


Well damn, if he was "mentally ill" and "an imminent danger to others" then why the hell wasn't he stopped before something like this happened? Enough evidence of him before this tragedy existed and yet nothing severe was done. Good lord.

[Dart]

Calling something rotten is bashing, my friend.

Second, your argument about gun control is a completely different topic entirely.

THIS THREAD IS ABOUT THE VIRGINIA TECH SHOOTINGS, THOSE LOST, ETC. IT IS NOT ABOUT GUN CONTROL, HOW MUCH AMERICA SUCKS, ETC. THIS THREAD IS FOR THOSE WHO WOULD LIKE TO GIVE THEIR CONDOLENCES TO THE FAMILIES WHO HAVE LOST LOVED ONES.

And as a note: (Basically) All governments are corrupt, and don't do enough in terms of guns. Get over it.
----
On another note, I mentioned this earlier in the 'Got Something You Want To Let Out?' thread. It seems that there is starting to be some retaliation (sp?) against Asians over this. I'm experiencing it over here (Yay Texas! [sarcasm]), and I don't know how the long term effects of this tragedy will affect everyone else.


first...ok,rotten is maybe a bit harsh...
second...if it were for the gun control we probably wouldn't have this topic...
third...i have offered my condolencences
fourth...america as a country doesn't suck...only the ignorant rednecks do...as seen in you comment on asian retaliation...pure prejudice...and you must admit america has quite a few of them (rednecks,not asians)...one is even leading you country(yes,i'm bashin bush...buhuhu...like he doesn't deserve it)...if you want arguments,i'll provide them

cut it with the patriotism and turn on your common sense...everyone


@Dart: Maybe you should come to America and fix it for us since you think you know so much.

Please stop bringing political shit in this thread and have some respect for this tragedy.

the tragedy is...my ideas...or ideas from anyone with common sense could help a lot...

i have huge respect for this tragedy and i have said it in my first post in this thread...page 1,2 or 3...i don't know...and politics is a part of EVERYTHING...sad but true...

once again,for the second time i offer my deepest sympathies to everyone affected by this tragedy...cos' where i come from we know what tragedy means...and we know what are the questions that rise after the tragedy...and we face it

[Shade]

Thank you Dusan, what country we are from does not mean shit, you can buy a gun legally or illegally in any country.

I just learned a holocaust survivor and one of the top 5 researchers in the world were also killed in this attack. It just..gets..worse.

Yeah, Professor Liviu Librescu. One of my friends had him for a class - fortunately not THE class. He was killed barricading the door so students could escape through the windows. To survive the Holocaust and be killed by a punk with a handgun... In any case, he's garnered as a hero.

As for the gun control talk, as much as I agree, and always have, that some work needs to be done there, this perhaps is not the best time to pull out political rhetoric. At least not until the situation has been fully investigated and somewhat more resolved. There's plenty of questions that need to be answered still, particularly about how the situation was handled, and who this guy was - and perhaps it would be be best to step off the political platform until more is known.

To whoever said don't blame the RAs, I certainly didn't mean that. I just wish they had been involved more BY the administration if they hadn't been already.

Thanks for all the support from all, I'm back home now, along with many students, until Sunday.

[Dedicated]

This was a complete tragedy and it's terrible that people are having to deal with something like this.

Concerning the debate about the legality of guns in America I just want to say that hopefully this will open some eyes in concern to the law on guns. I just believe that this type of thing is more likely to happen if guns are easily avaliable.

I actually have a question about the incident as well, so if anyone could clear this up for me I'd appreciate it.

I've been hearing that there were 2 people killed 2 hours or so before the rest of the shootings occured. Were the body of these two people discovered after the second shooting occured or before? The reason I ask this is because surely there should have been some kind of evacuation from the university?

[Shade]

They were found before the second shooting. The first two people were killed in a dorm building on campus. The administration deemed it was an isolated incident and believed the perpretrator had left. Not the best choice by any means, and it's a hot debate as to whether it was an honest mistake, or negligence.

[Derek The Infamous]

Why is it so difficult for people to just listen to me when I ask them to do something on these boards? I've noticed an overwhelming amount of people just not giving a crap, and doing the complete opposite of what I've told them not to do. I even tell the person a warning will be handed out, and it's like it goes in one ear and out the other.

Dart, with all due respect take your political bullshit elsewhere. The reason I told you to stop bashing America is because this is NOT the thread to discuss how terrible we are with our gun control laws. It is putting an unnecessary political twist to a completely non-political related tragedy. It is not welcome in this thread, and if you feel our gun control laws are terrible make a poll in Serious Chat asking for people's opinions on Gun Control. Keep it out of here.

This is the last time I will ask people to stop criticizing America, or our gun control laws in this thread. I am deeply affected by this tragedy and thus I will take whatever measures to ensure the proper respect is given towards the people who died.

[Dedicated]

Okay. Thanks for that information.

[Derek The Infamous]

I just don't want how stupid our gun control laws are to litter this thread. This is for updates on the tragedy and to show condolences, I just think anything else is disrespectful. There's people I know on other forums who lost 2-3 people they knew. It's terrible.

You're welcome to create a Gun Control topic in Serious Chat though :).

[Dedicated]

My comment was to Shade.


But I can understand why you're upset by this.

[Andrea]

Holy shit...I need to stop viewing cnn.com. I am just lost for words over the new pictures and even videos of the killer that are on there.

[Nick]

my prayers are with the families of the victims

[ragingxchaoz]

Yeah, Professor Liviu Librescu. One of my friends had him for a class - fortunately not THE class. He was killed barricading the door so students could escape through the windows. To survive the Holocaust and be killed by a punk with a handgun... In any case, he's garnered as a hero.

As for the gun control talk, as much as I agree, and always have, that some work needs to be done there, this perhaps is not the best time to pull out political rhetoric. At least not until the situation has been fully investigated and somewhat more resolved. There's plenty of questions that need to be answered still, particularly about how the situation was handled, and who this guy was - and perhaps it would be be best to step off the political platform until more is known.

To whoever said don't blame the RAs, I certainly didn't mean that. I just wish they had been involved more BY the administration if they hadn't been already.

Thanks for all the support from all, I'm back home now, along with many students, until Sunday.

The administration office just thought they are supermen and could know where is that dude, according to their "master minds".

I moved out from East AJ yesterday also. Hope the school will be recovered and resume regular routine.

Professor Librescu is a really good guy. There was one time that I lost my wallet, with all my IDs and stuff in it. It was him that he found my wallet, notified the office and gave me back the wallet. He's really nice. I felt bad that this guy killed him, whether he meaned to it, or not.

I just hope the school could resume the regular routine ASAP. So that at least we, the students, could go back and concentrate on our academics, not just suffer from the incident and not moving on.

As I said before, it's painful. But just let it go, nothing could change the fact, the only thing we could do now is to spit it out, suck it up, and move on right? We all know that they will be remembered.

[Paul]

Dart: This can easily happen anywhere in the world. Not just America.

You know what is really pissing me off? The media is giving so much attention to Cho rather then the victims themselves. I mean, Cho WANTED the attention. The motherfucker even send videos and pictures of himself to MSNBC just for national attention.

R.I.P to all the victims.

[Arlene]

I just want to offer my condolences to the families of the victims and people who are associatied with the victims. This is a terrible tragedy that noone wanted to see happen, but what's done is done and all we can do is pray for the affected families. All of you are in my thoughts and prayers. To the victims, rest in peace. :sad:

[User Name]

Anything that I want to say about this event has already been echoed by other people, so I'll just leave it at that.

[Ark]

My condolences go out to all of the victims and their families/friends.I can't imagine how it must affect them, seeing how it's affected those not personally involved.

My friend told me today that her stepsister's boyfriend (I think? I can't remember exactly who she said) was his roommate at some point, not necessarily when the shootings happened, though. I'm going to ask her a little more about it tomorrow...

Edit-- I don't know if anyone posted this link yet, but I though this article was pretty interesting-
http://abcnews.go.com/US/story?id=3048108&page=1

[JNudda]

this is an amazing picture

http://www.vt.edu/tragedy/images/memorial7.jpg

[Shade]

Yes...yes it is. God I love that picture.

[Joeykat]

It is a pretty picture.

It is a shame that only tradgedies bring people together :(

My condolences again to anyone affected :)

[Minus]

Just an update.. seems in Texas the anti-asian sentiments (and in the nation apparently) are starting and reported in the news. Right now it's just the fear of the backlash, but I'm already seeing it. Today in class when I sat down, there was a 2 desk radius of empty desks around me. It's very unsettling to see the public in fear like this.

[Joeykat]

Just because the attatcker was Asian DOES NOT mean that all asians are evil in that way. Man some people need a morality check.

EDIT

It is just like when 9/11 and 7/7 happened. Musloms got hated everywhere... Sometimes I am ashamed of our human race. I want to be a feline sometimes >.<

[Linja]

Muslims*

Right. This shooting, this massacre, this is all horrible. Destruction and waste of life. My deepest condolences to all affected by this tragedy, victims, their loved ones, etc.

[Joeykat]

I am so sorry for the typo. Was early when I posted.

Condolences again and I hope the victims are where they deserve to be, in heaven :)

[Christopher]

Holy shit...I need to stop viewing cnn.com. I am just lost for words over the new pictures and even videos of the killer that are on there.

Yeah, same here.

It's really disturbing to watch him just before he was going kill all those people.

Again, my condolences for everyone who lost someone in the shooting.

[Friskey™]

First off, my condolences go out to people who has lost a loved one during this tragedy and all of the others down in VT who had to witness this first hand.

Second, so, you know all those protesters that show up at the funeral services of American soldiers who died in Iraq, causing chaos and causing even more misery and agony for the family and friends of the deceased there? Well, now one of their "sub groups", the Westboro Baptist Church, is planning on protesting at the funerals of the kids that were murdered at the VTT massacre. As ridiculous as this sounds, it's true. They are going to go to the funeral services of kids that were shot dead, and tell their parents that their children deserved to die. I usually yell at people for bringing up things that don't have much to do with the XHF, but I think this is one of those cases where this is necessary.

That is a petition against the WBC and what they're trying to do. While it may not seem like it'll matter much, those who are going to do what they can to prevent these fuck ups from protesting and inflicting more greif on the loved ones of those who died at VTT would like some proof that there are enough people out there that completely disagree with what is being done here. I urge you guys to sign this, if not it's cool, but I just thought I'd help spread the knowledge. www.ipetitions.com/petition/VTfunerals/index.html

[Hahninator]

Cho was bullied in school...that's why we need to stop making fun of kids so bad dude I'm telling you, this shit always happens.

you can't blame him man, he had NO friends, he wanted some friends and a girlfriend desperately, he was driven over the edge. he didn't speak english that well, hell I wouldn't ever do something like that but I was in that situation I'd be about as upset as him.

that's why at school when I see people making fun of kids so bad all the time...I just try and tell them it could be them, sometimes it's not always their fault and to show some respect for others.

[Minus]

Cho was bullied in school...that's why we need to stop making fun of kids so bad dude I'm telling you, this shit always happens.

you can't blame him man, he had NO friends, he wanted some friends and a girlfriend desperately, he was driven over the edge. he didn't speak english that well, hell I wouldn't ever do something like that but I was in that situation I'd be about as upset as him.

that's why at school when I see people making fun of kids so bad all the time...I just try and tell them it could be them, sometimes it's not always their fault and to show some respect for others.

Didn't speak English very well? He emmigrated when he was 8, and was in a Creative Writing class, and was majoring in English. He at least had an average grasp of the language.

I wish I knew people who didn't speak English well who could use the phrase 'deceitful charlatans' in a sentence.

[Andrea]

Just as a reminder, I heard on the news that tomorrow is a national day of mourning and that VA Tech is urging people to wear their colors of maroon and orange tomorrow. Since it's casual Friday at where I work, I will be wearing their colors. If you have their colors, please show support! <3

[Mark]

Cho was bullied in school...that's why we need to stop making fun of kids so bad dude I'm telling you, this shit always happens.

you can't blame him man, he had NO friends, he wanted some friends and a girlfriend desperately, he was driven over the edge. he didn't speak english that well, hell I wouldn't ever do something like that but I was in that situation I'd be about as upset as him.

that's why at school when I see people making fun of kids so bad all the time...I just try and tell them it could be them, sometimes it's not always their fault and to show some respect for others.

Are you trying to sympathize and excuse what he did as the result of not being accepted by his peers? Are you serious?

You are uninformed.

First, I'm not going to repeat what Kayce said about his language issues, of which there were none.

In December 2005, Cho was served with a court order to go to a mental facility for an examination, where it was determined he was an immenent threat to himself. Multiple accounts have students trying to talk to him in class, yet him refusing to talk with them. He had stalking tendancies and was found taking pictures with his cell phone of girls in his classes, leading to them complaining about harassment. His plays involved plotting to kill people and lashing out at authority figures and peers.

He was mentally unstable! This wasn't the result of bullying or not being accepted by his peers. He was a nutjob! That's why he was a loner; because of himself and his actions. He tried to blame it all on others, but in reality all that happened to him was because of his mental health and his actions among his peers. He was a creep.

That may have been true for the kids at Columbine, and I agree that bullying can lead to this type of behaviour, but that is NOT the case here.

[Hahninator]

ok sorry Mark...wow I was wrong >_< you're right.

but yes I did read that he didn't speak English very well...when he talked it sounded really mumbled and jumbled and everyone pointed and laughed at him.

[androidkaita]

Today at a local high school (not the one I go to) A kid got into a fight with his mom. I dont know the exact details, but apparently he said that he was going to repeat the VT Tech tragedy at his school or something along the lines of that. His mother immediately informed the police luckily, and the school went into a lockdown. I know this because my brother had track today and they run to that high school's field to practice, and when he got there, they were told to turn around by police officers. There was helicopters and everything.

[Hahninator]

BLACKSBURG, Va. - In high school, Cho Seung-Hui almost never opened his mouth. When he finally did, his classmates laughed, pointed at him and said: "Go back to China."

As such details of the Virginia Tech shooter's life come out, and experts pore over his sick and twisted writings and his videotaped rant, it is becoming increasingly clear that Cho was almost a textbook case of a school shooter: a painfully awkward, picked-on young man who lashed out with methodical fury at a world he believed was out to get him.

[Mark]

BLACKSBURG, Va. - In high school, Cho Seung-Hui almost never opened his mouth. When he finally did, his classmates laughed, pointed at him and said: "Go back to China."

As such details of the Virginia Tech shooter's life come out, and experts pore over his sick and twisted writings and his videotaped rant, it is becoming increasingly clear that Cho was almost a textbook case of a school shooter: a painfully awkward, picked-on young man who lashed out with methodical fury at a world he believed was out to get him.

First I've read of it. Weird. I apologize for calling you uninformed for that. Kind took me back. That happened in high school back in 2003, now that I've read a few news articles.

I still attribute the blame to his mental instability, however. Being picked on is one thing, buying a gun and killed 30+ people is another. He obviously had mental issues.

Cho was in my playwriting class last fall, and nobody seemed to think much of him at first. He would sit by himself whenever possible, and didn't like talking to anyone. I don't think I've ever actually heard his voice before. He was just so quiet and kept to himself. Looking back, he fit the exact stereotype of what one would typically think of as a "school shooter" – a loner, obsessed with violence, and serious personal problems. Some of us in class tried to talk to him to be nice and get him out of his shell, but he refused talking to anyone. It was like he didn't want to be friends with anybody. One friend of mine tried to offer him some Halloween candy that she still had, but he slowly shook his head, refusing it. He just came to class every day and submitted his work on time, as I understand it.
-- Classmate's blog.

[Paul]

Anybody see the video Cho made? What a douchebag. He talks like Napolian Dynomite.

I seriously wish he was still alive. Honestly. I wish he could be tied to a tree and people could just line up and beat the crap out of him.

I don't buy that bullying crap either. Everyone has been bullied sometime in their life. You know what I think? Cho was scared of rejection so thats why he never talked to anybody. He probably thought everybody hated him or some shit. I mean, the guy WAS mentally ill.

And for the record, shooting up your school is the cowardly way out. Hell, you'd be better off telling a teacher and being known as a snitch rather then doing something like this.

What a coward.

[Will]

It's that type of stuff we don't need. I'm Asian, brought up by Asian parents, and I have an accent that makes my words sound unclear sometimes. His voice is like that because he's Korean and that's how they talk. I know you're mad, but don't rope us all together because we don't speak like you do.

I don't think Paul was generalizing Asians at all, Keaton. He was just commenting on his accent, not everyone's accent.

[Misfit Jay]

I've been waiting to get my opinion out on this. First off, my condolences to all the friends and families who are suffering.

I dunno if anyone has touched on this but I hate how the news is giving Cho what he wanted. And that's putting his face on tv by showing those photos and video. Also all I kept seeing yesterday and today was not only pictures of Cho but pictures of police dragging/carrying bodies of the students who died out of the building. I just don't think that that's right to do.

[Friskey™]

Today at a local high school (not the one I go to) A kid got into a fight with his mom. I dont know the exact details, but apparently he said that he was going to repeat the VT Tech tragedy at his school or something along the lines of that. His mother immediately informed the police luckily, and the school went into a lockdown. I know this because my brother had track today and they run to that high school's field to practice, and when he got there, they were told to turn around by police officers. There was helicopters and everything.

http://www.publicopiniononline.com/localnews/ci_5709556

Yeah, the school my brother goes to had a bomb threat today.

[Gluez]

Cho was bullied in school...that's why we need to stop making fun of kids so bad dude I'm telling you, this shit always happens.

you can't blame him man, he had NO friends, he wanted some friends and a girlfriend desperately, he was driven over the edge. he didn't speak english that well, hell I wouldn't ever do something like that but I was in that situation I'd be about as upset as him.

that's why at school when I see people making fun of kids so bad all the time...I just try and tell them it could be them, sometimes it's not always their fault and to show some respect for others.

I agreed with you, man. We shouldn't make fun of others and stop racist. Though, Cho chosen the wrong way but If I were him maybe I would have walk the same path as he do.

[MooMoozer]

I know this is alittle off topic.. but it still goes into this area.

Since this happened there has been alot of school violence. Well at least what i've seen. Like yesterday some kid was arrested at a school for brining stolen guns and ammunition to school.

And my boyfriend is in lock own at his school because there was a bomb threat :( and I'm worried.

[Dean]

Seems like the another dude lost it. The tragedy at Virginia Tech gets to me. But it gets to me on many levels.

Certainly the death of teachers and students is hard to grasp, 30 something people murdered in cold blood. The loss for friends and family is immeasurable. The tragedy however, doesn&#180;t end there. It&#180;s grows with everday as the news broadcasts like pigs in a troth, feast on vilifying the killer, creating a monster out a f**ked up kid, while wallowing in the pain and tears of the victims families.

Then there&#180;s that son of a b***h George Bush Jr. and his repulsive entourage using the whole f*****g filthy mess as a PR platform for his sickening spectacle.

The shame of it all is that noone really bothered with all the signs of mental unhealth and emotional pain from the kid with the gun.

Interviews with witnesses portay him as a weirdo. "Weirdo" A word used in preschool...

He was human OK? Mentally ill, but still human. A human being in absolute despair. Broken. Not right.

I feel so much for all the families involved. Nothing but time can heal their loss. But I feel for that kid and his family too. The anxiety, pain, rage, fear, distain and alienation he must have carried, to finally make that choice is something no exploitive horror flick could ever do justice. The f*****g nightmare in his head finally exploding.

I&#180;ve carried hatred, a lack of trust, and paranoid delusions at the very core of me, wrapped around my heart like a wet acid blanket for a large part of my life. Believe me, it burns like a mutherfucker.

Yeah, I&#180;m one of the lucky dudes who found help in people around me. This kid, and as a result; the humans he murdered, and their families - didn&#180;t.

It comes down to this; we need an end to the patronizing, selfsufficient groupings we get into as people. We need to see eachother, not constantly simplify others and magnify our own happy go lucky bubbles. Superior, utilitarian elitism, the constant glorification of the well adjusted, the "normals", the successful, the rich and the beautiful. Everything quantified, with a broken measuring stick.

There is no boogeyman in all this. Only tragedy.
That's what Peter Dolving from The Haunted had to say in his blog. Like with a lot of things he's right. Judging by what I've read I know exactly how that guy felt and it sickens me almost as much that people can say some of the things that have been said about him when he obviously needed sympathy. There's a fine line between containing yourself and doing something stupid and it can be incredibly hard to tread it.

My condolences to everyone including Cho.

[Andrea]

From cnn.com, Family issues statement:


BLACKSBURG, Virginia (AP) -- The family of Virginia Tech gunman Cho Seung-Hui told The Associated Press on Friday that they feel "hopeless, helpless and lost," and "never could have envisioned that he was capable of so much violence."

"He has made the world weep. We are living a nightmare," said a statement issued by Cho's sister, Cho Sun-Kyung, on the family's behalf.

It was the Chos' first public comment since the 23-year-old student killed 32 people and committed suicide Monday in the deadliest shooting rampage in modern U.S. history.

Wade Smith, a lawyer in Raleigh, North Carolina, provided the statement to the AP after the Cho family reached out to him. Smith said the family would not answer any questions, and neither would he.

"Our family is so very sorry for my brother's unspeakable actions. It is a terrible tragedy for all of us," said Cho Sun-Kyung, a 2004 Princeton University graduate who works as a contractor for a U.S. State Department office that oversees American aid for Iraq.

"We pray for their families and loved ones who are experiencing so much excruciating grief. And we pray for those who were injured and for those whose lives are changed forever because of what they witnessed and experienced," she said. "Each of these people had so much love, talent and gifts to offer, and their lives were cut short by a horrible and senseless act."
The family's whereabouts are unclear. But authorities said they are under law enforcement protection.

The statement was issued during a statewide day of mourning for the victims. Silence fell across the Virginia Tech campus at noon and bells tolled in churches nationwide in memory of the victims.

"We are humbled by this darkness. We feel hopeless, helpless and lost. This is someone that I grew up with and loved. Now I feel like I didn't know this person," Cho's sister said. "We have always been a close, peaceful and loving family. My brother was quiet and reserved, yet struggled to fit in. We never could have envisioned that he was capable of so much violence."
She said her family will cooperate fully with investigators and "do whatever we can to help authorities understand why these senseless acts happened. We have many unanswered questions as well."

Wendy Adams, whose niece, Leslie Sherman, was killed in the massacre, said of the family's statement: "I'm not so generous to be able to forgive him for what he did. But I do feel for the family. I do feel sorry for them."
"I do believe they're living a nightmare," she added.

Virginia Tech spokesman Larry Hincker said: "Based on this sorrowful statement, it is apparent that the family grieves with everyone in the world."
Cho's name was given as "Cho Seung-Hui" by police earlier this week. But the Cho family statement rendered his name as "Seung-Hui Cho."

[Chris(tmas)]

The video really disgusts me. He films like its some.. i have no fucking idea. Like "You made me spill my blood" blablabla. Just reincarnate yourself and slowly die. Idiot.

And I hate the media in America. I saw some footage of CNN and NBC and that just sucked. They dont treat it that something bad has happened, they treat it as "Oohh lunatic goes crazy! lets go guys! :D :D"

At least, thats what I thought when I saw it but I dont watch CNN and NBC 24/7.

[androidkaita]

I hate how he says that he dies like Jesus. That made me mad.

[Arlene]

I hate how he says that he dies like Jesus. That made me mad.

He said that? How does he figure?

[androidkaita]

He said that? How does he figure?

hold on ill get the video
edK5tf5_bL4

[Arlene]

@ androidkaita- I really don't know how he goes about comparing himself to Jesus, it just doesn't make sense to me. What do you think he meant by it..? I just don't see how he sees the comparison?

-EDIT-
My computer was downloading the video slow, so i thought he only made that one reference at the beginning of the video, about bleeding on the cross, but I just read that part at the end about "inspiring" people? Wtf, killing 32 innocent is inspiring? That sickens me..

[androidkaita]

@ androidkaita- I really don't know how he goes about comparing himself to Jesus, it just doesn't make sense to me. What do you think he meant by it..? I just don't see how he sees the comparison?

-EDIT-
My computer was downloading the video slow, so i thought he only made that one reference at the beginning of the video, about bleeding on the cross, but I just read that part at the end about "inspiring" people? Wtf, killing 32 innocent is inspiring? That sickens me..

I know, I was just like... wow... when he said that. I think he horribly misinterpreted Jesus. I think that he means that Jesus was put to death for no reason, and he thinks that people are making fun of him for no reason, so its almost the same thing.

I think hes an idiot.

[Dean]

It's funny how other people have felt the same as Cho but because they coped with it differently they're geniuses. J.D. Sallinger wrote The Catcher In The Rye. Kurt Cobain went on smack, wrote a few good songs about his problems then shot himself, now apparently he's one of the greatest musicians of all time. I'm not trying to justify what Cho did and I can't make out that he's a talent on a par with those two (or Sallinger, anyway) having never known him, but he was a human being who chose the wrong way to deal with how he felt and needed help whatever the cause of his problems were.
A couple of months ago I was on the brink. Call me a coward if you want, I just felt that my life had became one fuck-up after another and that if I didn't want to put up with it I didn't have to. I'd tried to tell people about how I'd felt but they'd just let it go in through one ear and out the other. What does this have to do with Cho? Well, even though I've never really been unpopular (but then again I've never been popular) there are a few people who I mutually hate with every ounce of my being and if I was, depending on how you look at it, brave enough, cowardly enough or unstable enough I would have wanted to take them down with me. Then I chose to tell three people what I'd actually been considering because I knew that if I'd tried to tell anyone else they'd just dismiss me as fishing for compliments or whatever, and the fact that I'd actually had people to talk to who weren't going to dismiss me made a hell of a difference. I'm not looking for attention by posting this, I'm just using it as an example of personal experience.

[Fox]

This was just another example on how unsafe is school...
C'mon, things that pisses me off is that, yeah NOW it's when US government is paying attention in schools' regulations when they could have done long time ago.... but no, they didn't. Too busy in wars, waste of time.

Florida schools are freaking out. Now we are having lockdowns everyday. Students are not allowed to go anywhere if parents don't come and sign them up. Ed's classes have been cancelled and so gym. Now we have a shortcut for lunch and we are just allowed to eat fro 25 minutes when we had 40 minutes before. We don't have security guards anymore, but we have real policemen watching over all the schools hallways, including that my school is having policemen, -women, in the restroom's doors...

the association of parents have been seding lettlers to students' parents telling them to check on their children and to be aware when their children go to school, what they carry on their backpacks and other stuff.

[Joeykat]

This was just another example on how unsafe is school...
C'mon, things that pisses me off is that, yeah NOW it's when US government is paying attention in schools' regulations when they could have done long time ago.... but no, they didn't. Too busy in wars, waste of time.

Florida schools are freaking out. Now we are having lockdowns everyday. Students are not allowed to go anywhere if parents don't come and sign them up. Ed's classes have been cancelled and so gym. Now we have a shortcut for lunch and we are just allowed to eat fro 25 minutes when we had 40 minutes before. We don't have security guards anymore, but we have real policemen watching over all the schools hallways, including that my school is having policemen, -women, in the restroom's doors...

the association of parents have been seding lettlers to students' parents telling them to check on their children and to be aware when their children go to school, what they carry on their backpacks and other stuff.

Hmm this seems to be taking the phrase 'Better to be safe than sorry' a tad too far me thinks....

[Fox]

Hmm this seems to be taking the phrase 'Better to be safe than sorry' a tad too far me thinks....

Yup, agreed with you...

Right now the South Korean government is getting things up with USA to make sure the Koreans don't get insulted and discriminated by Americans...


:mellow:

[Joeykat]

Yup, agreed with you...

Right now the South Korean government is getting things up with USA to make sure the Koreans don't get insulted and discriminated by Americans...


:mellow:

At this rate America might invade South Korea just like they did in Iraq.. And who will Bush Jnr drag down with him.. Good ol Blair of course :rolleyes:

Condolences again to everyone affected... And to make a point.. I am NOT an American hater.. Just not a fan of Bush Jnr or blair..

[Fox]

At this rate America might invade South Korea just like they did in Iraq.. And who will Bush Jnr drag down with him.. Good ol Blair of course :rolleyes:

Condolences again to everyone affected... And to make a point.. I am NOT an American hater.. Just not a fan of Bush Jnr or blair..

Same here... <3

[Joeykat]

Same here... <3

Aww <3 I thinks me has made a fwiendling ^_^

[Fox]

Aww <3 I thinks me has made a fwiendling ^_^

Yay!

You are dam' right... :lol: <3

[Joeykat]

Yay!

You are dam' right... :lol: <3

Disasters, whether man made or natural always bring people closer together in the end <3

[Fox]

Disasters, whether man made or natural always bring people closer together in the end <3

Of course, dear ;) ...


Wow, my culture teacher's uncle teaches at VT... he's fine tho' but my culture teacher seemed to be really affected...

I wish I could do soemthing for all those family member who lost their children in VT...

<333

[Joeykat]

Of course, dear ;) ...


Wow, my culture teacher's uncle teaches at VT... he's fine tho' but my culture teacher seemed to be really affected...

I wish I could do soemthing for all those family member who lost their children in VT...

<333

Everybody wishes that.. But we aren't super powerful.. yet


<333

[Dean]

I couldn't see anyone already mentioning this, but anyway, I wonder how long it'll be before Rockstar Games or any given band are being blamed for this if no one has done so already.

[Joeykat]

I couldn't see anyone already mentioning this, but anyway, I wonder how long it'll be before Rockstar Games or any given band are being blamed for this if no one has done so already.

No no no.. EVERYTHING is blamed on video games or anything violent or gang related :rolleyes:

[Fox]

No no no.. EVERYTHING is blamed on video games or anything violent or gang related :rolleyes:

You're damn right on that one... :blink:

Myspace has been added to the list for "who to blame"...
and of course, "violent friends"

[Joeykat]

You're damn right on that one... :blink:

Myspace has been added to the list for "who to blame"...
and of course, "violent friends"

*coughCHAVScough* :rolleyes:

Surprised Bebo or chatrooms or the playround haven't been added to the list... ;)

[Fox]

*coughCHAVScough* :rolleyes:

Surprised Bebo or chatrooms or the playround haven't been added to the list... ;)

*sighs*.. They will but Myspace is always the 1st one..
of course, AOL is being blamed too, since one of the AOL administartors used to be friends with Cho, and from the website they holded together, people were telling Cho to do something really bad, so there's where the whole thing started..

:mellow:

[Dean]

It's funny because violent films are meant to be more likely to provoke that kind of reaction but with them it's either a Scorsese or Tarantino flick (don't get me wrong, I love them) and it's art, or it's starring Vin Diesel and it's just mindless fun. It's easy to slag off games because most people think they start with Pong and Tetris and end with GTA and Manhunt with nothing in between.

Life On Mars is on what I like to call 'The List Of Things To Blame When Shit Goes Down' as well now, people must be more inherently stupid than I thought if they can't realise the irony in that programme.

[Joeykat]

*sighs*.. They will but Myspace is always the 1st one..
of course, AOL is being blamed too, since one of the AOL administartors used to be friends with Cho, and from the website they holded together, people were telling Cho to do something really bad, so there's where the whole thing started..

:mellow:

Hmm yes blank stare.. Don't you just love it when the blame gets shifted all the time :rolleyes:

[Fox]

Hmm yes blank stare.. Don't you just love it when the blame gets shifted all the time :rolleyes:

of course, :lol: ... it's play time!

as long as they don't balme me, then everything is ok... :lol:
that'll be interesting if they relate me to it when I'm like 4 states away Virgina..
:lol:

[Joeykat]

of course, :lol: ... it's play time!

as long as they don't balme me, then everything is ok... :lol:
that'll be interesting if they relate me to it when I'm like 4 states away Virgina..
:lol:

Or to me when I'm across the pond :P

But seriously this whole tradgedy could of been prevented if Cho got the psychiatric help it was advised he should of had...

[Fox]

Or to me when I'm across the pond :P

But seriously this whole tradgedy could of been prevented if Cho got the psychiatric help it was advised he should of had...

Yup, but the VT principal didn't pay attention to it...
and guess what, he's not even getting fired anytime soon...

Ignorance is everywhere..

:blink:

[Joeykat]

Yup, but the VT principal didn't pay attention to it...
and guess what, he's not even getting fired anytime soon...

Ignorance is everywhere..

:blink:

Sometimes I do not find bliss in ignorance :(

[Fox]

Sometimes I do not find bliss in ignorance :(

You can't... If you care about the world and what's happening around you, then you just can't ignore them...

But I think you are trying to mean about those people who get in your nerve and you try to ignore them... but still, ignorance is not good...

It'll be too late when people open their eyes and see what's going on woth their world right now...
We have from global warning, to school shootings, to over population, to corruption, to higher taxes, to wars, to diseases, to robbings.... and they are all increasing everyday more...

:blink:

[androidkaita]

I couldn't see anyone already mentioning this, but anyway, I wonder how long it'll be before Rockstar Games or any given band are being blamed for this if no one has done so already.

well, some idiot named Jack thompson blamed it on video games less tahn 24 hours after the shooting occured

[Dean]

well, some idiot named Jack thompson blamed it on video games less tahn 24 hours after the shooting occured
What a wanker. Even though I agree with some of the things he's said to an extent he's a conceited, egotistical twat and to comment on something like this to satiate his needs, especially so soon after, is fucking sick.

[Paul]

You know what I don't get? Cho said he hated rich kids. As far as I'm concered, aren't VT and Stanford REALLY expensive schools? If they are, then it's obvious Cho's family had some money.


well, some idiot named Jack thompson blamed it on video games less tahn 24 hours after the shooting occured.

Cho's roomates said that he never played videogames. If the press pulls the "videogames are too blame" card, then I will be extremely pissed.

[Minus]

well, some idiot named Jack thompson blamed it on video games less tahn 24 hours after the shooting occured

Jack Thompson blames EVERYTHING on video games.

[Dean]

You know what I don't get? Cho said he hated rich kids. As far as I'm concered, aren't VT and Stanford REALLY expensive schools? If they are, then it's obvious Cho's family had some money.
I thought what he might have meant were privileged kids who were spoilt and turned their noses up at people who were less wealthy, not actual rich kids in general. It's also possible that his family weren't that well off and they had to make sacrifices for him to go there, or maybe he just said something with no basis because he wasn't right in the head.

[DarthPeanut]

Cho was a kid who was picked on for being a foreigner. He saw those who picked on him as rich people who thought high of themselves. I have friends at VT who lost friends. They stand behind the principal. Even though they are fustrated that the tragedy did happen, they feel that the principal did the best he could under the circumstances of the situation. For those who live out of state, things like this can happen anywhere. The same day, schools all over the nation were having threats that someone was going to top the body count at VT. How often does a mass shooting occur at a school? They will now take the time to come up with a plan on dealing with this in case it happens again. This will also open the eyes of those who have been ignoring warning signs, however this will also cause loads of people who just like the quiet life to be singled out.

[The One And Only....]

http://www.cnn.com/2007/US/04/16/vte...ing/index.html

Why does stuff like this happen?

RIP VT students...and god does everything for a reason....guess this is another one of those events, we will never know why but there is always a reason. trust on him to make it right...