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I didn't know whether to put this in Serious or Random chat, but either was, I was amused. :lol:
Minus
12-07-2006, 02:54 AM
The way the images and words come at you while he's talking is so much like The Word on the Colbert Report.
I love it.
Daniel
12-07-2006, 05:59 AM
:D I lol'd
hmm well i think if your atheist then your lost, because my cousin is a atheist and she doesn't know what shes doin in life, with religion at least it gives you something to live for. something to look forward to and to keep you on a steady track in life that guy was funny as hell in a weird way lol
Phantom Duck
12-07-2006, 02:34 PM
hmm well i think if your atheist then your lost, because my cousin is a atheist and she doesn't know what shes doin in life, with religion at least it gives you something to live for. something to look forward to and to keep you on a steady track in life
I hope that was sarcastic.
Hahah, the video was quite ftw =)
hmm well i think if your atheist then your lost, because my cousin is a atheist and she doesn't know what shes doin in life, with religion at least it gives you something to live for. something to look forward to and to keep you on a steady track in life that guy was funny as hell in a weird way lol
wow.....
I'm atheist, and I'm hardly lost in life. I'm currently in college, and a damn good one at that, doing quite well and on track to have a nice job when I graduate and live what I consider a good life. Just because your cousin's lost, doesn't mean all atheists are. There are murderers in jail who have become born again evangelicals, so should I just say that all christains are murderers?
esaul17
12-08-2006, 03:44 AM
Funny video.
And I came in here all ready to smash some religious "logic".
wow.....
I'm atheist, and I'm hardly lost in life. I'm currently in college, and a damn good one at that, doing quite well and on track to have a nice job when I graduate and live what I consider a good life. Just because your cousin's lost, doesn't mean all atheists are. There are murderers in jail who have become born again evangelicals, so should I just say that all christains are murderers?
Using his logic, yes.
Daniel
12-08-2006, 08:12 AM
Okay, i gotta say something. Todd, I'm just guessing, but chances are you are NOT atheist. You're probably agnostic. An atheist is someone who blindly, plainly does not beleive in religion, to the point that they will make derogatory and offensive comments about those who are religious. An agnostic, on the other hand, is merely someone who does not believe in religion, but does not force their opinion onto others.
(Sorry Todd, I didn't mean to intrude or sound rude or anything)
Shade
12-08-2006, 08:25 AM
Okay, i gotta say something. Todd, I'm just guessing, but chances are you are NOT atheist. You're probably agnostic. An atheist is someone who blindly, plainly does not beleive in religion, to the point that they will make derogatory and offensive comments about those who are religious. An agnostic, on the other hand, is merely someone who does not believe in religion, but does not force their opinion onto others.
Uh...actually last time I checked Atheism simply means one doesn't believe in a God or higher being, while agnosticism is the belief that religious views are unprovable and as such followers take no side on religious belief. Neither group by definition blindly does anything. And atheists as a whole certainly don't make deragatory comments all over the place, at least no more so than religious followers themselves. Your generalizations will get you nowhere. And how can you possibly claim whether someone you haven't met is or is not Atheist to begin with?
Great video :-p
Daniel
12-08-2006, 08:41 AM
:lol: yeah that's why I said I'm just guessing...soz. Dammit stupid Mr Sawyer (my English teacher) for giving me the wrong definitions! Hey, don't you start on the generalisations stuff, I get that on every report card I get from school at the end of the year....like the one I got today :lol:. You're too general, expand, expand, expand...and so on. >_<
Okay, i gotta say something. Todd, I'm just guessing, but chances are you are NOT atheist. You're probably agnostic. An atheist is someone who blindly, plainly does not beleive in religion, to the point that they will make derogatory and offensive comments about those who are religious. An agnostic, on the other hand, is merely someone who does not believe in religion, but does not force their opinion onto others.
(Sorry Todd, I didn't mean to intrude or sound rude or anything)
:lol: Wrong definitions, buddy. Your teacher obviously has something wrong with non-religious people, as he's teaching people wrong on purpose.
atheist (http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/atheist) - a person who denies or disbelieves the existence of a supreme being or beings.
agnostic (http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/agnostic) - a person who holds that the existence of the ultimate cause, as God, and the essential nature of things are unknown and unknowable, or that human knowledge is limited to experience.
Daniel
12-08-2006, 08:58 AM
Grr *grumblemumblegrumble* :angry:
...Frankly I shouldn't be surprised, I've corrected his spelling and definitions so many times before it's not funny :lol: (I got top in my English class for the year (w00t))
Grr *grumblemumblegrumble* :angry:
...Frankly I shouldn't be surprised, I've corrected his spelling and definitions so many times before it's not funny :lol: (I got top in my English class for the year (w00t))
Hah, don't worry, nothing negative towards you. Your teacher just obviously sucks. :lol:
That video was awesome. And the worst part about it is that there are a lot of Christians I know who are exactly like that. It's really frustrating half the time. You ask them to "prove it" and they say "it's right here in the Bible." And then they ask you to "prove gravity" so you punch them in the dome and they fall down and they call you a sinner. Psht. :lol:
Okay, i gotta say something. Todd, I'm just guessing, but chances are you are NOT atheist. You're probably agnostic. An atheist is someone who blindly, plainly does not beleive in religion, to the point that they will make derogatory and offensive comments about those who are religious. An agnostic, on the other hand, is merely someone who does not believe in religion, but does not force their opinion onto others.
(Sorry Todd, I didn't mean to intrude or sound rude or anything)
Well, even if that was the definition (which it sure as hell is not) then I'd still be an Atheist because I have made derogatory and offensive comments towards those who are religious :D
Christopher
12-08-2006, 03:20 PM
Cool video. :D How it's possible that people still believe that, is beyond me...
Religion is just a VERY GOOD way invented by people to control the masses, man. :lol:
Feenix
12-08-2006, 04:39 PM
Ahaha, that video was brilliant. But I am a very strong atheist so I would say that.
That video made my day :lol:
As mentioned by someone before, it's the sad truth that some religious people actualy do think that because something is written in the bible it must be true. Using that sense of logic that would be like me reading a safety manual saying ''Fire doesn't hurt when you touch it'' or ''you will get a very nice sensation when a nuclear missile explodes next to you''. I don't mean to offend people by this but those kind of people are nutters in my opinion, just look at Brian Welch (ex-Head from KoRn) - the guy asks Jesus in the supermarket what food he should eat to be healthy *headdesk* I mean c'mon. The the bible is a nice set of fairy tales but I doubt even an eigth of it is true, if that.
devilsnight2003
12-08-2006, 05:03 PM
after watching that i feel like hitting someone, the guys voice annoys me.
I think religion was invented as a way of easing worries to questions that would frighten people like what happens when u die and i also think religion was invented to control people. thats my opinion
I agree to an extent. I'd focus on the ethics that Religion was invented to categorise people and seperate them from one and other.
Phantom Duck
12-08-2006, 09:56 PM
Nah, religion was invented so long ago people didn't even know how to fool others (which may not be 100% true, but meh). It's how people get the whole "religion" and "church" thing and what they're taught about it that makes it so damn messed.
Woah, he's slagging off Christianity. Give the man a cookie.
There are worse religions, and I'll leave it at that.
Woah, he's slagging off Christianity. Give the man a cookie.
There are worse religions, and I'll leave it at that.
Like what?
And please don't say Islam. Christianity has more blood on its hands than any other religion out there.
Like what?
And please don't say Islam. Christianity has more blood on its hands than any other religion out there.
Maybe I was wrong in saying other religions (Islam being the main one) were worse, but at least Christian governments don't stone people to death for infidelity and homosexuality, and at least they don't start protesting with placards mentioning how they're going to kill non-believers when someone sends up their faith. Maybe they'd like to, but they aren't at that stage at the moment.
What I was getting at was that there are other religions that deserve almost as much criticism, if not the same or more.
No more from me.
at least Christian governments don't stone people to death for infidelity and homosexuality
No, you don't get killed for being gay, you just get killed for not being a Christian (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_crusades).
and at least they don't start protesting with placards mentioning how they're going to kill non-believers when someone sends up their faith. Maybe they'd like to, but they aren't at that stage at the moment.
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http://img101.imageshack.us/img101/9224/z3ur.jpg
http://www.pinknews.co.uk/images/godhatesfagsfuneral.jpg
http://worldcommunity.wordpress.com/files/2006/07/2744-constrain-300x373.jpeg
What I was getting at was that there are other religions that deserve almost as much criticism, if not the same or more.
Like which ones? Islam? Sorry, but the deathtoll of 9/11 is NOTHING compared to what Christians are responsible for. Judaism? They're usually on the receiving end of violence. Buddhists? I think they're the only religion who hasn't been in a war.
No more from me.
Funny, that's what every Christianity supporter says when arguing with me. And I'm horrible at debating, but when what you're trying to support has so much evidence against it, you might as well give up.
Okay, so you got me with the part about protests. But the crusades were hundreds of years ago.
The reason I said 'no more from me' was because some of my better friends here are Muslims, or from that background, and I didn't want to go too far, so thanks for that. I'm not a christian supporter either, and I've had to say that to you in practically every thread like this that I've posted in, so even if you've just beaten my argument you're still up yourself.
Phantom Duck
12-09-2006, 01:53 PM
Personally, its not God I dislike, its his fan club I can't stand.
=)
Christopher
12-09-2006, 02:29 PM
I agree with Todd. Islam itself might not be worse than Christianity.
But keep in mind that the goverments and countries Dean refers to based their laws on Islam, but they go beyond it too.
Countries like Afghanistan (was), where babies got killed when they were handicapted because they'd dishonor the family and the family would get cut of out the society to live in shame.
That's just insane!
And come on, the crusades. That's kind of old news, isn't it?
The crusades were a terrible thing, and it's proof Christianity isn't a better religion than Islam.
The only good religion is Buddhism. It's all about peace and harmony, living a good life and becoming an even better person in the next.
(I'm not a Buddhist)
In the end, it doesn't matter what you believe in. For me it's all about being a good person and treating everyone equaly. (fixed :lol:)
That's why I'm an Atheist. I'm not even sure if I want to belong in that category. I just don't believe in any religion.
Minus
12-09-2006, 02:57 PM
The only good religion is Buddhism. It's all about peace and harmony, living a good life and becoming an even better person in the next.
(I'm not a Buddhist)
The reason why Buddhism is a good religion is because it is not even a religion. It's more of a way of life, a practical philosophy rather than an entity that tells you what to believe.
I know it was a typo, but St0f's comment was hilarious:
For me it's all about being a good person and threating everyone equaly.
:lol:
Christopher
12-09-2006, 03:26 PM
The reason why Buddhism is a good religion is because it is not even a religion. It's more of a way of life, a practical philosophy rather than an entity that tells you what to believe.
I know it was a typo, but St0f's comment was hilarious:
:lol:
:lol: You know that's not what I meant. Stupid typo.
But if Buddhism ain't a religion than I have no clue what this thread is about. >_<
Rachel
12-09-2006, 04:26 PM
I'm just a little happy Messianic Jew over here whose father is Jehovah's Witness.
I don't agree with half of the shit that religions deal with, so that's why I'm Reform (my mom's side is Reform). I have the Jewish beliefs with the Christianity part of Jesus being the messiah (Messianic, thanks to my father, the Jehovah's Witness). I will go kosher on the high holy days, and I don't celebrate Christmas because it's a crock of shit, as are any other mainstream Catholic holidays.
I'm just going to quote Dogma on this shit: It's better to have an idea about God than to have a whole belief structure based upon it. Ideas can change. Beliefs can't.
...Lauren?
12-11-2006, 11:16 PM
I'm just a little happy Messianic Jew over here whose father is Jehovah's Witness.
I don't agree with half of the shit that religions deal with, so that's why I'm Reform (my mom's side is Reform). I have the Jewish beliefs with the Christianity part of Jesus being the messiah (Messianic, thanks to my father, the Jehovah's Witness). I will go kosher on the high holy days, and I don't celebrate Christmas because it's a crock of shit, as are any other mainstream Catholic holidays.
I'm just going to quote Dogma on this shit: It's better to have an idea about God than to have a whole belief structure based upon it. Ideas can change. Beliefs can't.
I agree with you on the Christmas thing.
meteora_freak92
12-11-2006, 11:57 PM
i hate hearing all the debating over religions. i don't even have a religion. I just find it hard to believe there is some sort of god out there. My parents don't have a religion either.
Dr. Octogonapus
12-12-2006, 02:12 AM
I hate it when people assume I'm an Atheist or Agnostic when I say I don't follow religion. Atheists and Agnostics are specific groups just as much as any religion is. I prefer not to associate myself with any religious OR anti-religious group, period.
meteora_freak92
12-12-2006, 03:00 AM
I hate it when people assume I'm an Atheist or Agnostic when I say I don't follow religion. Atheists and Agnostics are specific groups just as much as any religion is. I prefer not to associate myself with any religious OR anti-religious group, period.
same with me.
I'd like to make one little point in this dicussion, as I myself am a Muslim and am at a Christian school.
Neither Chrisitianity nor Islam promotes violence. People promote violence when they wrongly interpret sacred texts. This is what an ancient, but great Muslim scholar (Averroes) and another ancient, but great Christian scholar (Aquinas) had worried about, along with thousands of others. In fact, Aquinas explicity based much of his argument for correct intepretations from Aristotle (a pagan) and Averroes. The differences between men that leads to such difficult times arises not from religion, which, in its presumed nature is a perfect creation, but rather from its followers, who need religion because they are not perfect creations.
Religion is not necessarily a bad practice, even for those who do not subscribe to one. All men desire for truth, and whether or not you formally do so through means of a common faith or on your own free will, it is the same intent. So please, let's not blame religion, or a lack thereof, for our problems. I can assure you, there is a much different catalyst.
The Outsider
12-12-2006, 04:08 AM
I think everyone is entitled to what they chose to believe and what they don't. I myself, is not a completely atheist in fact I don't know what I am of what I am called. I believe there is a god, but I don't know who he is and where he lives, so therefore I don't preach.
...Lauren?
12-12-2006, 09:52 PM
I'd like to make one little point in this dicussion, as I myself am a Muslim and am at a Christian school.
Neither Chrisitianity nor Islam promotes violence. People promote violence when they wrongly interpret sacred texts. This is what an ancient, but great Muslim scholar (Averroes) and another ancient, but great Christian scholar (Aquinas) had worried about, along with thousands of others. In fact, Aquinas explicity based much of his argument for correct intepretations from Aristotle (a pagan) and Averroes. The differences between men that leads to such difficult times arises not from religion, which, in its presumed nature is a perfect creation, but rather from its followers, who need religion because they are not perfect creations.
Religion is not necessarily a bad practice, even for those who do not subscribe to one. All men desire for truth, and whether or not you formally do so through means of a common faith or on your own free will, it is the same intent. So please, let's not blame religion, or a lack thereof, for our problems. I can assure you, there is a much different catalyst.
THANK YOU. Someone finally making sense in this thread.
Besides, why are we talking about religion, aren't we supposed to be talking about a comedy show or something? I can't even remember.
the enigma
12-13-2006, 04:37 PM
Religion doesn't give you anything to live for. That is a false belief. If anything, it just makes you afraid of the world. You know, you don't need cancer treatment, cause if you just pray a lot, you're saved. Yipee! Trust me, that doesn't work.
See, the bible wasn't written by God. Sure, it's God's word, but it was written down by man. And then translated by man. So the entire thing is just one big fallacy.
When people get deluded by the bible, they lose sight of what's important. God does not exist. He just doesn't. Sometimes I wish it weren't true, and that perhaps there is a plan for the world, but with all the sh*t that's going on in the world, and in my own world, I can't believe it. But, I still have something to live for. See, I will eventually have children, but first I have to learn and live, and when I do have children, I want to leave a legacy, something to remember me by. I want to raise them right. I wish that I could leave this earth better than when I found it, but I feel that won't happen. One reason is religion. The biggest wars in the history of man were based on religion. Millions and millions of people have died for Christianity and for the Catcholic church and every other religion, when in those religion's holy texts it states that killing is a sin.
For me, believing in the existence of God is just irrational...for now.
the enigma
12-13-2006, 04:47 PM
By the way...Stof mentioned that handicapped kids get killed in certain religions because they'd dishonor the family.
Well, that happened every where, no matter the religion. Way back in the day, your kids actually worked for their food. Having a mouth to feed that didn't contribute to the work was too much to handle, thus the child didn't stick around. It was something that everyone had to do. I assume that the dislike of homosexuality came about in much the same way. When you don't have a large population, it's important to have children to carry on your legacy. If you are gay, and therefore unattracted to the opposite sex, is less likely that you'll have offspring. Over time, the little things like this went into the religion, and possibly into amendmants to the holy scriptures.
miny_girl_LP
12-13-2006, 05:43 PM
interesting......hmmm i never looked from the point of view he had but i'm gonna stick to my atheism and that's that.
But it was fun watching it!I lol all they way through.
At this time I'd like to bring to everyone's attention a line in a song by Trivium that sums it all up for me: ''Behold you fellow man through centuries of control, adhearing to a decree of a manufactured god''
Manufactured is the key word. Each of the holy books in all religions have been re-written over and over again over time. One damn passage different in the Bible or the Quran or whatever could have re-shaped an entire religion. The fact of the matter is that no religion promotes violence, it's a quiestion of people acting out of what they think would honour their religion but in actual fact could completly go against it - it's a matter of interpretation and people such as those who kill people with handicaps and deformaties as an act of religion have gotten it all wrong and in my opinion have gone against what their religion stands for.
But that's the sad fact about it isn't it, because it's categorised under a religious act and carried out in a prodominantly religious country it's automaticly fine. Does this mean that if a religion that did promote violence that people would be allowed to run riot through streets and kill whoever and whatever they wanted?
Furthermore I find it absolutely ridiculous that in the 21st century we're actualy talking about this kind of crap. I say live and let live and don't look your nose down on anyone who believes something different to you (as long as it's a matter of personal faith).
User Name
12-14-2006, 02:46 AM
Each of the holy books in all religions have been re-written over and over again over time.
The job of a scribe is to reproduce documents on a new set of paper so that the words that are contained within the old set will continue to last. In the case of the Bible, each translation that you see today (New Living Translation, New International, King James, New American Standard, etc.) were translated directly from copies of the Greek and Hebrew manuscripts that compose the Old and New Testaments.
If there was any discrepency between the old and new copies, it could be cross-referenced and checked for any errors.
The job of a scribe is to reproduce documents on a new set of paper so that the words that are contained within the old set will continue to last. In the case of the Bible, each translation that you see today (New Living Translation, New International, King James, New American Standard, etc.) were translated directly from copies of the Greek and Hebrew manuscripts that compose the Old and New Testaments.
If there was any discrepency between the old and new copies, it could be cross-referenced and checked for any errors.
True in some respect. The bibles we have today have more errors in them than there are words. The thing is that the scribes reproducing them often added things they liked, were very bias and had a predetermined will in scribing, and alot of them were even uneducated, and made several spelling errors and others.
The fact is that we don't have have a full copy of any of the New Testament books until the 4th century, and therefore we don't know if they were changed or not. The church was very very very big on changing things in the Bible and the doctrine, and so I don't believe you can rest assured that the Bible translations are correct. There are errors of translation to conclude things in the Bible itself, and so I don't think you can trust any of it.
If there was any discrepency between the old and new copies, it could be cross-referenced and checked for any errors.
Back then, the church would throw you in jail for saying that the Earth revolves around the sun, I can't imagine what they would do to anyone who said that something in the bible was wrong.
User Name
12-18-2006, 05:35 AM
Back then, the church would throw you in jail for saying that the Earth revolves around the sun, I can't imagine what they would do to anyone who said that something in the bible was wrong.
Well, yeah. That's what happened when church and state mixed.
I've just watched a tv programme that jogged my memory back to some of my History lessons earlier in the year, and Mao's government was atheist. If I remember correctly the Great Leap Forward resulted in the deaths of quite a few people, although that wasn't to do with religion, but his Red Guard also attempted to condition people who followed religions, as well as capitalists, people who were successful academically, etc. An even better example of that would be Stalin and Lenin but no one tends to give a toss about the non-Nazis they killed or persecuted, pretty much because of the battle of Stalingrad. Pol Pot and Hitler may also have been atheists, I think. If I was to use Todd's reasoning I could go back a century or two to the Jacobeans, and Darwin's theory of evolution, which inspired Hitler's eugenics policy.
Bear in mind that the only parts of that paragraph taken from that programme were the mention of the Jacobeans, who I didn't have a clue about before, and eugenics, which I did know a little bit about.
I made a mess of my last couple of posts, huh. Sorry Todd for saying you were up yourself, if you were actually offended by that. :P
Oh, and Luke, scientific theories are rewritten and replaced all the time, just like scriptures.
Just to set it straight, I don't attatch myself to any particular religion, and I don't really have a problem with most people following any of them, it's just certain dogmas that annoy the hell out of me, as well as when atheists are just as narrow. You can't prove that God exists, just as you can't prove that he doesn't. If there is a biblical God, and it isn't just the way people interpreted alien visitors that advanced them in the stone age or whatever, he could be above science, what with him being omnipotent and all that.
Just to set it straight, I don't attatch myself to any particular religion, and I don't really have a problem with most people following any of them, it's just certain dogmas that annoy the hell out of me, as well as when atheists are just as narrow. You can't prove that God exists, just as you can't prove that he doesn't. If there is a biblical God, and it isn't just the way people interpreted alien visitors that advanced them in the stone age or whatever, he could be above science, what with him being omnipotent and all that.
The Biblical God doesn't exist. I believe that's been practically proven. All people trying to twist things to allow him are apologetics doing a laughable job.
The Biblical God doesn't exist. I believe that's been practically proven. All people trying to twist things to allow him are apologetics doing a laughable job.
I didn't say I believe in him. I'm just open to the possibility, which I think there is. Like I said before, if there was some omnipotent being out there, it would probably be above science. How exactly has it's nonexistence been proven? I'm not questioning whether that's happened, just curious.
esaul17
12-19-2006, 02:47 AM
There is a difference between an atheist doing a bad thing and a religious person doing a bad thing BECAUSE OF their religion.
And science is strongly supported fact. It isn't an arbitrary set of beliefs people follow and kill for.
I didn't say I believe in him. I'm just open to the possibility, which I think there is. Like I said before, if there was some omnipotent being out there, it would probably be above science. How exactly has it's nonexistence been proven? I'm not questioning whether that's happened, just curious.
I do think that it should be taken into account. For some reason most scientists I see defending atheism talk about how improbable an intelligent designer would be. But, of course, that is the point. The fact is that the only real 'evidence' we have for the Biblical God is the Bible, obviously, and so far we've really found out it's not very accurate. You would think that creator of such an amazing universe would be a little more intelligent. The God of the Bible certainly is a very unintelligent being.
I do think that it should be taken into account. For some reason most scientists I see defending atheism talk about how improbable an intelligent designer would be. But, of course, that is the point. The fact is that the only real 'evidence' we have for the Biblical God is the Bible, obviously, and so far we've really found out it's not very accurate. You would think that creator of such an amazing universe would be a little more intelligent. The God of the Bible certainly is a very unintelligent being.
I didn't necessarily mean the actual God from the Bible or any holy book. :P I just meant a God in that context, one that created the universe and so on. I don't think it's existence has been disproven, and chances are it won't be proven and you'll only find out the truth upon death.
esaul17
12-20-2006, 06:23 PM
Yeah. It is just really unlikely God exists. REALLY unlikely.
Well said, Omar (on the second page).
I'm a Christian, but the video is amusing. Not amusing in the same sense you guys see it, just amusing in that some people actually do use that logic to both (a) support Christianity, and (b) to disprove Christianity. I don't have a problem with anyone who's atheist or agnostic, but anyone who feels the need to shove their beliefs down the throat of others can shove it (to put it mildly and keep my post terse; and, yes, I include Christians in that comment).
Well said, Omar (on the second page).
I'm a Christian, but the video is amusing. Not amusing in the same sense you guys see it, just amusing in that some people actually do use that logic to both (a) support Christianity, and (b) to disprove Christianity. I don't have a problem with anyone who's atheist or agnostic, but anyone who feels the need to shove their beliefs down the throat of others can shove it (to put it mildly and keep my post terse; and, yes, I include Christians in that comment).
I disagree that you can use logic to support Christianity. In what way? I have never seen it, and I've been dealing with the subject for a long time now.
I disagree that you can use logic to support Christianity. In what way? I have never seen it, and I've been dealing with the subject for a long time now.
First of all, congratulations on completely misreading my post. I said "use that logic" as in the "logic" used in the movie. I never implied anything more than that. Secondly, your arrogance on the matter of religion (or your belief in the lack of any 'true' religion or anything along those lines) indicates that no matter the argument, you wouldn't believe it.
Just as some Christians, no matter the argument, won't buy into atheism.
It's stupid involving yourself in an argument that's not winnable, but good luck to you, sir.
I don't believe one can necessarily rely on logic to deduce the existence of God (none of the world's brightest minds could), however, logic is highly essential in developing guidelines in which to live your life. No religious text will cover every topic and appropriate behavior, hence, you must reason (in accord with your beliefs) how to behave. Logic is the glue that holds all prominent religions together, and seperates them from those who operate on a few erratic principles.
First of all, congratulations on completely misreading my post. I said "use that logic" as in the "logic" used in the movie. I never implied anything more than that. Secondly, your arrogance on the matter of religion (or your belief in the lack of any 'true' religion or anything along those lines) indicates that no matter the argument, you wouldn't believe it.
Just as some Christians, no matter the argument, won't buy into atheism.
It's stupid involving yourself in an argument that's not winnable, but good luck to you, sir.
Well, I definitely don't think I approach religion with arrogance. Being a Christian my entire life and still attending church every Sunday and being involved in all the Sunday School classes that I possibly can be a part of, I'd say that I have a pretty open mind to it all and have dealt with almost every argument in the book. I even once had a popular thread in this forum where I was supporting Christianity, so I have to say you're wrong there.
I did misread you, and I apologize, but it wasn't really in defense of my position or anything that I said it. I was just stating that I don't think you can use logic to defend Christianity, and I don't think those arguments are very logical, either.
So it was sort of relevant. I don't think that the 'logic' you said Christians use to support Christianity that is used in the movie is actually logical, and so I don't think my post was too far off.
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