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Will
10-12-2006, 03:09 AM
NEW YORK -- A small plane carrying New York Yankees pitcher Cory Lidle slammed into a 50-story apartment building Wednesday after issuing a distress call, killing Lidle and a second person in a crash that rained flaming debris onto the sidewalks and briefly raised fears of another terrorist attack.

A law enforcement official in Washington said Lidle -- an avid pilot who got his license during last year's offseason -- was aboard the single-engine aircraft when it plowed into the 30th and 31st floors of the high-rise on Manhattan's Upper East Side. Mayor Michael Bloomberg said both people aboard were killed.

Lidle's passport was found on the street, according to a federal official, speaking to The Associated Press on condition of anonymity. It was not immediately clear who was at the controls and who was the second person aboard. There was no official confirmation of Lidle's death from city officials.

Federal Aviation Administration records showed the single-engine plane was registered to Lidle, who had repeatedly assured reporters in recent weeks that flying was safe and that the Yankees -- who were traumatized in 1979 when catcher Thurman Munson was killed in the crash of a plane he was piloting -- had no reason to worry.

"The flying?" the 34-year-old Lidle, who had a home near Los Angeles, told The Philadelphia Inquirer this summer. "I'm not worried about it. I'm safe up there. I feel very comfortable with my abilities flying an airplane."

"No matter what's going on in your life, when you get up in that plane, everything's gone," Lidle told a Comcast SportsNet interviewer while flying his plane in April.

The crash came just four days after the Yankees' embarrassingly quick elimination from the playoffs, during which Lidle had been relegated to the bullpen. In recent days, Lidle had taken abuse from fans on sports talk radio for saying the team was unprepared.

"This is a terrible and shocking tragedy that has stunned the entire Yankees organization," Yankees owner George Steinbrenner said in a statement. He offered his condolences to Lidle's wife, Melanie, and 6-year-old son.

The federal official said the plane had issued a distress call before the crash. The craft took off from New Jersey's Teterboro Airport about 2:30 p.m. and was in the air for barely 15 minutes, authorities said. Bloomberg said Lidle and his flying companion were sightseeing and were taking a route that took them over the Statue of Liberty, the Brooklyn Bridge and the Empire State Building.

The FAA said it was too early to determine what might have caused the crash. The National Transportation Safety Board sent investigators.

How the plane managed to penetrate airspace over one of the most densely packed sections of New York City was not clear. The plane was unusual in that it was equipped with a parachute in case of engine failure, but there was no sign the chute was used.

The crash rattled New Yorkers' nerves five years after the Sept. 11 attacks, but the FBI and the Homeland Security quickly said there was no evidence it was anything but an accident. Nevertheless, within 10 minutes of the crash, fighter jets were over several cities, including New York, Washington, Detroit, Los Angeles and Seattle, Pentagon officials said.

The plane, flying north over the East River, along the usual flight corridor, came through a hazy, cloudy sky and hit The Belaire -- a red-brick tower overlooking the river -- with a loud bang. It touched off a raging fire that cast a pillar of black smoke over the city and sent flames shooting from four windows on two adjoining floors. Firefighters put the blaze out in less than an hour.

At least 21 people were taken to the hospital, most of them firefighters. Their conditions were not disclosed.

Large crowds gathered in the street in the largely wealthy New York neighborhood, with many people in tears and some trying to reach loved ones by cell phone.

"It wasn't until I was halfway home that I started shaking. The whole memory of an airplane flying into a building and across the street from your home. It's a little too close to home," Sara Green, 40, who lives across the street from The Belaire. "It crossed my mind that it was something bigger or the start of something bigger."

Outside Lidle's home in Glendora, Calif., neighbors and others quickly converged. Keri Pasqua, a close friend of the player's wife, and Mary Varela, Lidle's mother-in-law, told reporters that Melanie Lidle wasn't home and they weren't certain if she knew about the crash.

"This is a tragedy for everybody involved," a teary-eyed Varela said.

Kevin Lidle, Cory Lidle's twin brother, said on CNN's "Larry King Live" that he had spoken to their parents, who were "obviously having a tough time."

"But what can you do? Somehow you hang in there and you get through it," he said. "I've had a lot of calls from friends and family, people calling and crying. And they've released some emotions, and I haven't done that yet. I don't know -- I guess I'm in some kind of state of shock."

On Sunday, the day after the Yankees were eliminated from the playoffs, Lidle cleaned out his locker at Yankee Stadium and talked about his interest in flying.

He said he intended to fly back to California in several days and planned to make a few stops. Lidle had reserved a room for Wednesday night at the historic Union Station hotel in downtown Nashville, Tenn., hotel spokeswoman Melanie Fly said.

Lidle discussed with reporters the plane crash that killed John F. Kennedy Jr. and how he had read the accident report on the NTSB Web site.

Lidle, acquired from the Philadelphia Phillies on July 30 along with outfielder Bobby Abreu, told The New York Times last month that his four-seat Cirrus SR20 was safe.

"The whole plane has a parachute on it," Lidle said. "Ninety-nine percent of pilots that go up never have engine failure, and the 1 percent that do usually land it. But if you're up in the air and something goes wrong, you pull that parachute, and the whole plane goes down slowly."

Lidle pitched 1 1/3 innings in the fourth and final game of the AL Division Series against the Detroit Tigers and gave up three earned runs but was not the losing pitcher. He had a 12-10 regular-season record with a 4.85 ERA.

He pitched with the Phillies before coming to the Yankees. He began his career in 1997 with the Mets and also pitched for Tampa Bay, Oakland, Toronto and Cincinnati.

Lidle's $6.3 million, two-year contract, signed with the Phillies in November 2004, contained a provision saying the team could get out of paying the remainder if he were injured or killed while flying a plane. Because the regular season is over, Lidle had already received the full amount.

After the Yankees' defeat at the hands of the Tigers, Lidle called in to WFAN sports talk radio two days before the crash to defend manager Joe Torre and said: "I want to win as much as anybody. But what am I supposed to do? Go cry in my apartment for the next two weeks."

Lidle was an outcast among some teammates throughout his career because he became a replacement player in 1995, when major-leaguers were on strike.

Among the baseball stars killed in plane crashes were Pittsburgh Pirates outfielder Roberto Clemente, killed Dec. 31, 1972, at age 38 while en route to Nicaragua to aid earthquake victims; and Munson, the Yankee catcher killed Aug. 2, 1979, at age 32 in Canton, Ohio.

"It's just sadder than sad," said New York Mets pitching coach Rick Peterson, who was Lidle's pitching coach in Oakland. "It's horrific. It's almost unbelievable. It's a surreal moment."

Young May Cha, a 23-year-old Cornell University medical student, said she was walking back from the grocery store down East 72nd Street when she saw something come across the sky and crash into the building. Cha said there appeared to be smoke coming from behind the aircraft, and "it looked like it was flying erratically for the short time that I saw it."

Former NTSB director Jim Hall said in a telephone interview he does not understand how a plane could get so close to a New York City building after Sept. 11.

"We're under a high alert and you would assume that if something like this happened, people would have known about it before it occurred, not after," Hall said.

Mystery writer Carol Higgins Clark, daughter of author Mary Higgins Clark, lives on the 38th floor but was not home at the time. She described the building's residents as a mix of actors, doctors, lawyers, writers and people with second homes.

Despite initial fears of a terrorist attack, all three New York City-area airports continued to operate normally, FAA spokesman Jim Peters said. The White House said neither President Bush nor Vice President Dick Cheney was moved to secure locations.

The Belaire was built in the late 1980s and is situated near Sotheby's auction house. It has 183 apartments, many of which sell for more than $1 million.

Several lower floors are occupied by doctors and administrative offices, as well as guest facilities for family members of patients at the Hospital for Special Surgery, hospital spokeswoman Phyllis Fisher said. No patients were in the high-rise, Fisher said.

Mets pitching coach Rick Peterson said Mets third base coach Manny Acta lived in the building that Lidle's plane crashed into.

Rob Manfred, executive vice president of MLB, told ESPN's Karl Ravech that neither of Wednesday night's championship series games would be postponed because of the crash and Lidle's death. However, Game 1 of the NLCS between the St. Louis Cardinals and New York Mets was postponed because of a steady rain, with the best-of-seven series now set to begin Thursday night.


http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/news/story?id=2621860

Andrea
10-12-2006, 04:09 PM
It's very sad. When he was with the Phillies, I actually met him and took his picture. I need to find that. :mellow:

Canadian Joe
10-12-2006, 04:20 PM
*Warning: Speculation follows!*

Sad, sad story. The SR20 he was flying was equipped with the Garmin G1000 system - a full suite of instruments on two large screens. You have an electrical failure, you are fucked...except for a small 2" set of instruments that don't need power to run. Add to that the marginal VFR weather they were in, and you might just run into this kind of situation. He did have an instructor with him though, which is kinda fishy considering they got themselves into a situation like that with someone who very likely had over 1000 hours. Lidle himself had about 400 - which is enough to know the basics of navigation and (I presume) use a VOR - which will get you unlost anytime. And the G1000 has a nice GPS system too, so he should've known where he was...take the screens away though, and that whole theory goes out the window. Kinda odd that the reporter mentioned the CAPS parachute system - deployment of that over NYC would be suicide, as you have no control over your drift when you're under the chute.

Again, very sad that this happened...and hopefully, if it's proven it was the fault of the SR20/G1000, Cirrus can improve their design so that nothing like this happens again.

Will
10-12-2006, 04:40 PM
There were reports that they radioed in a call regarding something about fuel problems.

Canadian Joe
10-12-2006, 04:45 PM
There were reports that they radioed in a call regarding something about fuel problems.

Hm.

Possibly trying to turn back because of a fuel pump failure (in which case the shitty booster pump will give you about 50% power)...?

Interesting. That might actually go as far as to explain it...although it's most definitely not fuel starvation, they wouldn't have taken off with bone-dry tanks...

I guess we'll have to wait for the NTSB report to come out instead of trusting the popular media...they're very notorious for getting aviation-related stories wrong.

Edit: It seems that Lidle might have been trying to avoid the LaGuardia Class B airspace - there's a small VFR corridor of class E (non-restrictive) airspace that follows the East River, but closes off before LGA. Top of that airspace is 1100...trying to turn back from the 'end' of that corridor and not bust airspace can be a tight turn, and I can see how you could let the steep turn required turn into a pseudo-spiral dive, lose a bit of altitude and find the buildings.

Note that I just looked at a VTA chart for New York City - this isn't reported by anyone right now. Just more speculation.

An engine failure at 1100 would also give you about 10 seconds before you're below skyscraper height in NYC if you're in that corridor. Trying to find a decent forced landing site could've done it too in the event of a failure.

Dr. Octogonapus
10-12-2006, 07:26 PM
Here's the sad part, the 9/11 conspiracy theorists are having a field day with this:

"Where are the wing markings on the building?"
"How could his passport have survived the fire?"
"The building's owned by the same people that owneed WTC 7 and are building the Freedom Tower!"
"Where's the plane wreckage?"
"Why did NORAD scramble fighter jets? Perfect excuse for them to redeem themselves after 9/11"

I'm a 911 Truth supporter, but for fuck's sake, I really wanna just smack these people.

Christopher
10-12-2006, 09:03 PM
Heard about it yesterday. It's really sad.

But I think it's a bit weird how something like this could have happened... esspecially in Manhatten. Of course they won't stop a small plane with jetfighters but you know...

Canadian Joe
10-12-2006, 10:47 PM
Heard about it yesterday. It's really sad.

But I think it's a bit weird how something like this could have happened... esspecially in Manhatten. Of course they won't stop a small plane with jetfighters but you know...

Wanna bet?

The new FAA legislation more or less indicates that force can be used 'if deemed absolutely necessary to ensure the safety of possible targets, ground installations and other aircraft'.

If I go tooling around in my PA28 with the transponder set to 7500 (the code for 'hijack') around sensitive airspace (NYC being a prime example), and I ignore all radio calls made to me, I can fully expect to be intercepted...and possibly fired on if I make a hostile move.


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New report on the possible cause: engine failure due to carb icing. Long story short, because the carbeurator is a small venturi tube, it's susceptible to icing at temperatures up to 20 degrees C, and high humidity conditions. It's possible that the carb iced up, the engine stopped, and in an attempt to find a suitable landing site, the plane found the building instead :sad:

whoneedssubtext?
10-12-2006, 11:24 PM
I heard about this.
That's a great lose.

Will
10-13-2006, 03:37 AM
Wanna bet?

The new FAA legislation more or less indicates that force can be used 'if deemed absolutely necessary to ensure the safety of possible targets, ground installations and other aircraft'.

If I go tooling around in my PA28 with the transponder set to 7500 (the code for 'hijack') around sensitive airspace (NYC being a prime example), and I ignore all radio calls made to me, I can fully expect to be intercepted...and possibly fired on if I make a hostile move.


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New report on the possible cause: engine failure due to carb icing. Long story short, because the carbeurator is a small venturi tube, it's susceptible to icing at temperatures up to 20 degrees C, and high humidity conditions. It's possible that the carb iced up, the engine stopped, and in an attempt to find a suitable landing site, the plane found the building instead :sad:

I like you. You're smart.

They showed a video on the news earlier. His plane made a weird maneuver and they speculate the engines shut off from the maneuver he did make, and that's what caused the crash.

@tasta
Man, that's ridiculous. I support the whole "truth" thing, too, but that's just going overboard.

Canadian Joe
10-13-2006, 05:44 AM
Bank-induced fuel starvation? Super. The SR20 is supposed to be immune to that. If that's what they conclude caused a loss of power...well, Cirrus is gonna have some major work to do.

For those who don't know what I mean...the fuel inlets in each tank are at the lowest point in the tank. You typically operate on one tank (L or R) in cruise, and both during takeoff/landing. If he took off on only one tank, and then banked towards that tank (with a helluva bank angle, ~60 degrees, which is a LOT), that could actually draw fuel away from that inlet and starve the engine.

Right outta the SR20 checklists, Before Takeoff section:

FUEL SELECTOR .................................................. ........... BOTH

Hm. Maybe he didn't use his checklists. Big mistake. I always use 'em, even if I have it memorized.

Arashi
10-13-2006, 01:01 PM
He was great. It's a tragedy. R.I.P.

越南
10-15-2006, 05:40 PM
I got this on my phone a couple days ago, pretty weird :/

Strange coincidence... A plane crashed into a bldg in nyc on 10/11/06 now turn the date upside down and look at it...

Christopher
10-15-2006, 05:45 PM
I got this on my phone a couple days ago, pretty weird :/

Strange coincidence... A plane crashed into a bldg in nyc on 10/11/06 now turn the date upside down and look at it...

God, I didn't even realise that. Messed up coincidence.


@Joe: Shocking that they would shoot a small plane down but they didn't...

Andrea
10-15-2006, 05:47 PM
I didn't even notice that either. I HATE stuff like that. It gives off this eerie feeling. Strange coincidence.

Will
10-15-2006, 08:24 PM
That coincidence doesn't even make sense.

It'd end up being 90/11/01. I'm pretty sure the months don't even go up to 90.

Andrea
10-15-2006, 08:47 PM
Obviously knock off the zero. :lol:

Christopher
10-15-2006, 09:06 PM
Obviously knock off the zero. :lol:

:lol: Obviously.

Will
10-17-2006, 04:29 AM
Shut up. :lol:

I think everyone should've been more concerned that I wasn't sure if months went up to 90 or not... :lol:

Minus
10-17-2006, 06:13 AM
Shut up. :lol:

I think everyone should've been more concerned that I wasn't sure if months went up to 90 or not... :lol:
Okay fine.

You thought the months went up to 90? :lol: