Montreal College Shootings

[Mark]

Two gunmen who opened fire in a downtown Montreal college Wednesday afternoon are dead, and police are hunting for a third suspect.

At least 16 people were injured in a shooting rampage that terrorized students and staff at Dawson College, a CEGEP serving about 10,000 students.

Montreal General Hospital officials say 12 people have been admitted, six of them in critical condition, two in serious condition and the rest in stable condition.

Montreal police confirmed that at least one suspect was "neutralized," but did not provide details on how the gunman died.

"Whether he did it to himself or not, I can't yet say," said spokesman Yan Lafrenière.

Television images showed police officers dragging a bloody body out of the main doors of the building.

Students inside Dawson College told reporters they heard several shots in the building around 1 p.m.

Eyewitnesses say they saw a tall skinny man, wearing a black trench coat and a

Mohawk haircut, walk into the cafeteria carrying a large gun. He apparently fired several shots.

'The most scary thing that has ever happened to me'
Student Michel Boyer sought shelter behind a reception desk after seeing a gunman and fleeing from the vicinity of the shootings.

"I thought this was fake, and it was just an excuse to get out of class," he told CBC Newsworld. "I did run away as soon as I did see that it was real."

His voice shaking, he added, "It was the most scary thing that has ever happened to me."

Boyer said he saw at least one man holding a gun.

"I'm only 19 and to have flashes of your life and the people that you love going by you, it should not be allowed."

Dawson College instructor Arielle Reid said she was in her office when the shooting began.

"I heard the shots and a student ran into my office," she told CBC Newsworld.

"People don't know what is going on and they don't know what to do."

Students flee building
Hundreds of students fled the building, and the area was cordoned off. Police officers wearing bulletproof vests kept people away from the college.

"They're telling me, 'Go the other way, lady, you're in the line of fire,' " said CBC News reporter Nancy Wood at the scene.

Hundreds of officers surrounded the building in downtown Montreal, cordoning off a park facing the school, as well as the Alexis Nihon Plaza, a nearby shopping centre.

Police were still combing through the college floor by floor and room by room to secure the building, nearly one and half hours after the first shots were heard. They've set up a security perimeter that spans Atwater, Sherbrooke and Maisonneuve streets.

Public transit officials have closed the metro system's green line, which serves Dawson College, in order to allow a SWAT team to sweep the area.

Similarities to notorious Montreal shooting
The shooting raised chilling memories of Dec. 6, 1989, when 25-year-old Marc

Lepine gunned down 14 women at Montreal's École Polytechnique before fatally shooting himself.

Lepine roamed the school for 45 minutes, shouting, "I hate feminists," as he opened fire on the female engineering students.

His use of a 30-round magazine brought immediate calls for gun control. In response, the federal government introduced a national firearms registry.

Dawson students sheltered nearby
Students and staff sought refuge at nearby Concordia University.

The student union is running an emergency centre at the D.B Clarke auditorium on Maisonneuve Street, where psychologists are on hand to assist Dawson students and staff.

Family members of Dawson College students can call (514) 280-2880 or (514) 280-2806 for more information, police said.

http://www.cbc.ca/story/canada/national/2006/09/13/shots-dawson.html

Oh. my. fucking. god.

Things like this aren't supposed to happen in Canada!

Shades of the shootings at Ecole Polytechnique back in 1989. This is absolute madness.

Just wait for video games or heavy music to be blamed for this, when the real issue is gun control.

These are kids my age. That is just unreal.

[Canadian Joe]

Just heard about this myself. This is terrible - it's the last thing I'd ever expect in Canada, especially Montreal.

[Friskey™]

I agree w/ Mark on the fact that the usual will be blamed for this. It's bullshit.

But this is indeed terrible.

[whoneedssubtext?]

Soon enough They will be a documentary on this, and Michael Moore will make some more money off of it. And we can all blame Marilyn again for not being a conformist.
The smartest thing I've ever heard anyone say was when Marilyn answered the question "If you could've talked to the shooters before it happened, what would you have said?" and all he said was Nothing, I would've listened.

But if I read it right, at least no one died, and that's some kind of bonus.

[The_Rising_Tied]

yo man! it was soooooooooooo fucking scary!!!!!!

its like u see this in a movie! but when u see it happen in real fucking life! id never thought id experience this

[Mark]

yo man! it was soooooooooooo fucking scary!!!!!!

its like u see this in a movie! but when u see it happen in real fucking life! id never thought id experience this

You were there?

[The_Rising_Tied]

well i was dt, and i called my friend, and shes was cryinggg like crazyy! she was in her classroom..locked of course, and she seen some guy get shot right outsider her door...its so fuckin bad here

[Anthony.]

I'm so speechless... I mean, if it can happen in Montreal, it can happen in Quebec... I could've been there... You don't expect those things up here. You see a peaceful society, one which seems to enjoy some kind of calm, and all of a sudden it goes away.

By the way, the gunman and a woman in her 20s died :( .

[Jon[athan]]

Wow, thats shocking news. I wouldnt have expected something like that to happen in Canada. I just wonder what goes through somones head to make them do something like this.

[Odaton]

Montreal for the most part is one of the safest cities in the World. You can walk downtown at night and not really worry about getting mugged or anything.
So for this to happen is sickening, scary, and just plain wrong. From what I heard the gunman didn't have an aim he was just shooting people randomly, he must have been sick in the head or something....

Anyways, just terrible especially being first year in college myself, someone who had a bright future now doesn't get to experience it.

[Linja]

Dude.. this is Canada. Things like this are not supposed to happen in Canada.

Now with that out of the way.

I agree with Mark, the usual things will be blamed, but people will think about gun control, hopefully.

This is terrible, all good luck and hope to the victims, their families, and the people who underwent the trauma. RIP the young woman who died.

[llewellyn101]

mureder happens around the world every day...

the person sitting next to you (stats has proven) has thought of killing a person atleaste 3 times this month

[Christopher]

The world's really messed up. Even in the most peacefull country these things happen.

People shouldn't blame this on video games or on heavy music but on gun control like Mark said.

I still can't believe those things happen but even in countries where there is gun control things like this can happen.

[llewellyn101]

StOf our lives are defined through the things we achieve... ppl (children) want to be remembered for something ... and this was a good way of doing it...



(Psych 312 - Psychopathology)

[Mark]

StOf our lives are defined through the things we achieve... ppl (children) want to be remembered for something ... and this was a good way of doing it...



(Psych 312 - Psychopathology)

Excuse me, but are you trying to justify these killings?

Yeah, I'm sure anyone would love to be remembered as some asshole who started shooting innocent young people for no reason. I don't care what extraordinary circumstance you might want to dream up, but you should in no way, shape, or form even try to sympathize with the one who committed these atrocities.

So what, people think about killing other people? The thing is, they usually don't go about carrying through with their thoughts! What an asinine attempt to desensitize or take away from what is truly a tragic event. You should be ashamed of that cynical thought process.

[Messy Marj]

StOf our lives are defined through the things we achieve... ppl (children) want to be remembered for something ... and this was a good way of doing it...



(Psych 312 - Psychopathology)

What?


The world is fucked up. <.<

[Dave+Kay]

I feel sorry for the people that were effected by this.. and those hurt.. but.. about what Mark was saying about music and games being blamed for this? well. i will quote DIRECTLY from the news just now, talking about one of the gunman and how he had a profile on VF. '..He has this picture of him with a gun, with a clear caption, 'I think i have an obsession with guns'. He also seemed to have a great interest in heavy metal music.' So? what does that have to do with anything? Gah. I hate the media. Blame it because it's different. If they could find a song with the words 'Get guns and go and kill people in your school' i would pay them every penny i earned until i died. Again, i feel sorry for those affected, i know how much of a hell it would be if it happened at my college..

[The_Rising_Tied]

Like u have no idea...everyone here is feels like shit. Youre not supposed 2 go 2 school worrying about ur life, its supposed 2 be a good place, and the girl that died that was 20 graduated from the same high school as me, i knew of her, but i didnt kno her personally! it fuckin sucks that u die at 20 in something that u had nothing to do with! this world makes me sick sometimes. Everything always goes 2 shit

[Jon[athan]]

I feel sorry for the people that were effected by this.. and those hurt.. but.. about what Mark was saying about music and games being blamed for this? well. i will quote DIRECTLY from the news just now, talking about one of the gunman and how he had a profile on VF. '..He has this picture of him with a gun, with a clear caption, 'I think i have an obsession with guns'. He also seemed to have a great interest in heavy metal music.' So? what does that have to do with anything? Gah. I hate the media. Blame it because it's different. If they could find a song with the words 'Get guns and go and kill people in your school' i would pay them every penny i earned until i died. Again, i feel sorry for those affected, i know how much of a hell it would be if it happened at my college..



That is so true. I would put money on a bet saying that within a few more weeks, the media will have totally blamed this on a negative effect metal, and video games had on the shooters.

[Snail]

I've been reading up on the net concerning this incident, and I'm, well shocked. I can't believe this had happened, and in Canada too! Well, I'm getting pretty paranoid now, my former friend ' D-Pak ' hes indian, has an AK-47, a rifle locked up in his closet complete with ammunition, now I'm pretty sure he wouldn't come out and shoot us all to death, but if he ever become very lonely...then I have no idea. His house is right across the street from my school, Windermere Secondary.

http://www.ctv.ca/servlet/ArticleNews/story/CTVNews/20060914/gill_profile_060914/20060914?hub=Canada Heres a link holding more info regarding this incident.

Furthermore, I would like to say that, advertisement companies should start advertising more on an effective level, by posting it everywhere and make their advertisements a highly common sight to us all. The advertisements should remind us of these tragedies, and several others from the past, that way it would keep us all ALERT, and AWARE of the people close to us, as well as our distant acquintances.

[Neil]

My dad was watching TV and said that they blamed a particular video game, but he didn't remember what.


Maybe blame the fact that the guy was a fucking goth outcast crazy fucking cocksucker. I've really had it with these trenchcoat wearing outcast motherfuckers.

Look at this shit:
http://www.theksbwchannel.com/2006/0914/9848990_480X360.jpg
http://a123.g.akamai.net/f/123/12465/1d/media.canada.com/cp/national/20060914/n091407a.jpg?size=l

Vampirefreaks.com? What the fuck? Why are people allowed to encourage the actions of fucking outcasts. "Gothic industrial culture" they call it. I call it a bunch of fucking crazy motherfuckers who are so fucked in the head they need a trip to an asylum.

Look at those photos.
That piece of shit is holding a goddamn shotgun and uzi posing like he's some sort of hunter or something. THAT FUCKING PILE OF SHIT! I fucking swear to god if that stupid piece of shit lived, I'd get my ass out to montreal and curbstomp that useless, outcast striving, waste of life.

I wasn't directly affected by this, but I live in ottawa, and I'll be in college in January. Not only that, I've had it with these fucking goth kids. Has anyone noticed the rising amount of crime with these fuckers? Yeah, let's dress all dark and wear makeup and drink blood and fucking quote really gothic things and talk about 666 and all sorts of other shit. They make me wasnt to like emo kids.

My point being, I don't know.

FUCK

[.Amanda.]

Why is everyone all:

"OMG THIS IZ CANADA SO THIS IZ NOT SPOSE 2 HAPPN LULZ"

Uhm... welcome to a little thing called THE WORLD. This could have happened anywhere at anytime. Canada isn't heaven, you know. Bad shit's going to happen.

Don't be so "greater-than-thou" about it.

[Kæton]

Christ, I was going to stay out of this thread because I had the same thoughts that this is the world and no place is safe but... Neil, you need to lighten up a bit. I don't know if your post was sarcasm or you really feel that way, but just in case you're serious... It's that type of mentality that probably drives the "outcasts" to act like they do. It's never smart to pour gasoline on a fire. I'm not part of the "goth" lifestyle, but I know what it feels like to be labeled as one as you have and it's not necessarily properly handling the situation and therefore will have negative consequences.

To me, this guy and any other school shooting situations are all the same, or seem to have a similar pattern. In my opinion it doesn't matter where you come from, eventually people snap. The amounts differ and depending on background, it will justify differently. It's unfair to blame a group for what individuals do as that's acting just as blindly as politicians who think Grand Theft Auto out of all things is encouraging sexual behavior. To back this up, when I was still in high school, guns were the "cool" thing. I couldn't go a few hours without hearing people before class started talking about their newest guns or ventures with guns. However, these were also the football team talking. So generally, a gun lover (using this as an example due to the story), does not make them what they appear to be. There are lines to be drawn and obviously the line of passion and obsession-without-being-able-to-think-clearly was crossed.

People are allowed to encourage the "goth lifestyle" the same way we're allowed to encourage the sports lifestyle, geeks lifestyle, or anything else that has it's own set of ideas with a label. Simple fact is if he was a "goth" and he was being treated with disrespect, then it shouldn't be a surprise. If sites like Vampirefreaks.com is encouraging people of a certain lifestyle that feels shunned by their peers can make them feel a bit better about their life, choices and those around them, then I say more power to the websites. Not because I encourage negative behavior, but if a troubled individual can find closure/acceptance in a place (even if a web site/community), then it's less likely that individual will lose composure and go on a killing spree.

I'm not saying these killings are justified. Taking another person's life in terms of revenge or anything of the sorts is not acceptable by any means, but I won't admit that people these days don't deserve it. There's absolutely no reason for us to judge others to the point we're degrading them. Maybe I was brought up differently but I don't intentionally ever badmouth people with the motive to destroy or degrade another human being. People these days just love to cross those lines for entertainment purposes and make broad generalizations based on individual acts which usually exhibit an overzealous obsession.

I feel for those who have been traumatized by this situation, but I've become desensitized to school shootings. It's always the same story and the same things are blamed over and over again. I don't know if people think if it happens once it won't happen again, or people think it won't happen where they live, but obviously people have yet to learn how to fix what ever it is that causes these people to snap. A happy person who loves their life is not necessarily going to pick up a gun and shoot people. There's something that people must be ignoring or failing to teach children these days that can prevent this from continuously happening. I'm not trying to preach; just stating my observations.
Just my two cents.

[whoneedssubtext?]

Agreed.
They interviewed someone who called himself a "real Goth" and he didn't wear a trench coat, and he said he's been one since the 80's.
He said Gothic Culture is seeing the darker, yet still beautiful, side of life.
He also said, one person doing this, is going to ruin it for the rest of them, because of the fact that it's a stereyotypical thing to do.
If a bunch of, I don't know, let's say linkin park fans did this, none of you would say "Linkin Park is a bad influence and I hate them all, now, excuse me while I sing a long to qwerty"
And, all these people say "It's because of violent video games"
Well, what if it's because of knitting, how do we know this guy didn't knit?
Or skip?
Politicians just wait for things like this to happen, they love it, because that gives them a chance to do something other than sit on there fat ass' and argue with each other.
Although, even this brings up arguments about gun control and video games.
The man purchased his guns legally, what more do you need to know?
Abolish all guns besides Rifles.
Because, there's no point to a hand gun, or an ak-47, besides taking lives.
You can say you hunt, and all that shit, that's fine and dandy, but if you need an ak-47 for hunting, I say you take up the noble sport of tiddilywinks.
Guns are useless.
The only people I can see needing them are police, but then again, Police are just as likely to kill someone as a linkin park fan.

[Evan™]

shootings no matter how safe the country is will always have a possibility of occuring...no matter the reason, theres always a chance of something like this happening even in Canada, Singapore, England...hell wherever you live...for all i know tommorrow someone could just drive by house and shoot the fuck out of me....

[Mark]

Why is everyone all:

"OMG THIS IZ CANADA SO THIS IZ NOT SPOSE 2 HAPPN LULZ"

Uhm... welcome to a little thing called THE WORLD. This could have happened anywhere at anytime. Canada isn't heaven, you know. Bad shit's going to happen.

Don't be so "greater-than-thou" about it.

Sure we can be like that. Things like that never happen here. The homicide rate in Canada in 2004 was 1.5 per every 100,000 people. The homicide rate in the US in 2004 was 4.3 per every 100,000 people. With us being exposed to American media and watching more of it than local media, it's easy to assume the "greater-than-thou" standpoint, however egotistical it may seem. The thing is, we've consistently been one of the safest countries in the world, especially when compared to our other North American counterparts.

I know anything can happen anywhere at any time, but based on assumptions based on past statistics, it's a much less occuring event here. We're just accustomed to events like this not happening.

[F-ck Casey]

Yeah, totally, let's blame music, games, america, ramen noodles, etc. Whatever floats your boat, as long we you don't get to the central issue of this entire thing: where were the parents, man? Was he teased (ie: see Neil's post)? Metal music is an outlet for rage & depression. It's supposed to make you feel like you aren't the only one feeling these things. I don't know what the canadian media is blaming this on, so I can't go further really.

All in all, like Amanda, I don't see the point in the holier than thou attitude. Whoopteedoo, Canada's homicide rate was 3 points lower than the United States. Congratulations, not as many people kill each other in your country than it does in ours. But, it still happens, and this is just another case of it.

I also love the blaming of american culture and media on this. What's next? Danzig?

P.S. - Neil, the game's your dad was probably trying to remember was "Postal" and "Super Columbine Massacre".

[The_Rising_Tied]

Anastasia,

This loss is enormous, this is the only person yet who died in the montreal shooting at dawson college. She was 18, and it was her first year there. Imagine you just graduate high school, and you start college and 3 weeks later, you wake up in the morning do your regular routine, get a ride to school, and then you never get to go home. Like when i think about it kills me, imagine me doing me regular rountine and my life ending that day. Like it cant imagine it happening, Like she was so young and college was so new and its just not right to end ur life like that. Now i wonder if god really exsists. No one so cruel can do that to some young girl. And from now on im not taking my life for granted, Everything that comes in my life i should respect... It just rly fucking terrible to end your happy life that badly.

My thoughts and prayers are with you anastasia and im really sorry.

[Andrea]

Anastasia,

This loss is enormous, this is the only person yet who died in the montreal shooting at dawson college. She was 18, and it was her first year there. Imagine you just graduate high school, and you start college and 3 weeks later, you wake up in the morning do your regular routine, get a ride to school, and then you never get to go home. Like when i think about it kills me, imagine me doing me regular rountine and my life ending that day. Like it cant imagine it happening, Like she was so young and college was so new and its just not right to end ur life like that. Now i wonder if god really exsists. No one so cruel can do that to some young girl. And from now on im not taking my life for granted, Everything that comes in my life i should respect... It just rly fucking terrible to end your happy life that badly.

My thoughts and prayers are with you anastasia and im really sorry.

Just to let you know, I merged the thread you made in here.

[The_Rising_Tied]

and another thing! all of guys blaming one of another! SHUT THE FUCK UP! IM SICK OF EVERYONE BLAMING EVERYONE! FUCK, if it was an italian guy, theyd probably blame is on gangsters, if it was an arab they probably blame on terroisim!!! who gives a fuck who the guy was, this bull shit isnt suposed 2 fucking happen! youre not supposed to go to school worrying about your fucking life! Anastasia was fucking 18!! im 18! she probably pictured herself getting married and having kids and havign a house! but look thats not gunna happen anymore is it? why dont u guys stop bitching about this fucking asshole with no life and im so happy hes dead! and start worrying about your life and how your going to start fuckign living it! because some people like anastasia never got a chance to live her life!!! never got a fucking chance!

[.Amanda.]

All in all, like Amanda, I don't see the point in the holier than thou attitude. Whoopteedoo, Canada's homicide rate was 3 points lower than the United States. Congratulations, not as many people kill each other in your country than it does in ours. But, it still happens, and this is just another case of it.

Fucking thank you.

[Mark]

Fucking thank you.

My entire point was that it happens less often here than in the States, so when it happens here, it's more of a surprise since we're not used to it happening. You cannot deny that however much you wish to disagree with it.

Stuff happens. Events like this do have the potential to happen anywhere, you're right. But potential often gives way to likelihood, of which there is a much lesser chance of a school shooting or murder happening in Canada than in other countries, not just the US. I only used the US for comparison reasons.

I can turn it around and say an event like these shootings are more likely to happen here in Canada rather than in, say, Netherlands or Belgium. Sure, there's a potential for it to happen anywhere, but the likelihoods change per location, and thus lead to varying assumptions by people all over the world about the chance of events like these happening where they live.

It's like comparing the chances of terrorism occuring in Switzerland and the US.

[.Amanda.]

But none of that gives you any right to act like the greatest country on the fucking earth, Mark.

Can't you see why we're upset? America's not so great, I get that. We're a pretty fucked up country. And you seem to have some type of hard on for CONSTANTLY nailing that thought into this forum. We get it, already. You think America sucks and that Canada's the greatest thing since anti-fungal toenail cream. But do you HAVE to go around saying it whenever anything remotely bad happens?

This is the last post I'll be making in the thread. I don't want to be involved with this debate any longer as it'll only get hostile.

Good job for being born in your country. Good job for being in a country with a lower killing rate than the US. Congrats.

Get over yourself. And get over your country.

[Mark]

But none of that gives you any right to act like the greatest country on the fucking earth, Mark.

Can't you see why we're upset? America's not so great, I get that. We're a pretty fucked up country. And you seem to have some type of hard on for CONSTANTLY nailing that thought into this forum. We get it, already. You think America sucks and that Canada's the greatest thing since anti-fungal toenail cream. But do you HAVE to go around saying it whenever anything remotely bad happens?

This is the last post I'll be making in the thread. I don't want to be involved with this debate any longer as it'll only get hostile.

Good job for being born in your country. Good job for being in a country with a lower killing rate than the US. Congrats.

Get over yourself. And get over your country.

I didn't mean for it to come off that way. If you want to overreact and misinterpret what I'm saying, that's your prerogative and your mistake, at that.

What I say is the truth, really. Things like that don't happen here nearly as often as other places. We have a right to be shocked it happened here because that's the reality; it's a rarity. And it's not like I'm pruposefully picking on the US or trying to put it down, I'm just saying that when you, an American, are playing down these events from a "shit happens, deal with it" perspective, it's not necessarily representative of the Canadian perspective. Nor should Canadians react how Americans react to these events. I don't know if it's a matter of you being more desensitized to things like this happening in the US, but Canadians have a different way of reacting to events like this because of their infrequency of occurance.

I notice that on CNN, when reporting the death of a soldier in Iraq, (s)he's often treated as a statistic. When a Canadian soldier dies in Afghanistan, CBC often devotes 30 minutes to tell the story of their life. Before you go and overreact and tell me I'm portraying Americans (or their media) as cold-hearted or bastards, I'm not. My point is that the death of an American soldier is so common that it doesn't come off as big of a surprise as the death of a Canadian soldier. Sure, the potential of them dying is the same, but the frequency of its occurance is what molds our level of surprise. We still grieve the same amount for the fallen soldiers, but how surprised we are is motivated by the frequency of the occurance. Thus why I was very surprised something like this school shooting would happen in Canada; because it's a very rare occurance.

I have nothing against Americans, but I also happen to think Canada is great. I may not agree with most of the things your government does, but that is not to be miscontrued with how I view the country and their people itself. Do not blend my distaste for the American government with how I feel about America. They are not the same, and I don't like it when words are being put in my mouth, thank you. ;)

[The_Rising_Tied]

wow guys....ur pathetic, some1 just died cuz of all this and u guys r fighting about how great ur country is.....


pathetic

[Kæton]

wow guys....ur pathetic, some1 just died cuz of all this and u guys r fighting about how great ur country is.....


pathetic


And you think somehow by calling people "pathetic" via Internet is going to do anything about it? :blink: As long as there are things that trouble people, people will fight. They will put the blame on others and they will defend what they believe in. People die everyday, high profile tragedy or not. That doesn't mean death is any reason for people's personal politics to be ignored. In fact, death is always a catalyst to other's personal politics. I'd say get used to it because there will always be these types of debates after high profile tragedy. ;)

[The_Rising_Tied]

whatever, high profile you have no respect for anything do you? yea ill just accept but bitching about how great canada is..isnt going to change anything either

[Andrea]

whatever, high profile you have no respect for anything do you? yea ill just accept but bitching about how great canada is..isnt going to change anything either

And bitching about this situation isn't going to change anything either. ;)

[The_Rising_Tied]

im not the one whose fucking bitching! did u not read my other posts?!? forget it im done here. You guys talk about whatever you want all i kno is that young girl could of been me. Im done with this thread

[Andrea]

Yes, I read your posts and you did come off as "bitching". I understand the whole "that could have been me" thing, but it wasn't you and your coming off way too defensive.

Try to calm down.

[The_Rising_Tied]

HERE:
http://www.ottawasun.com/News/National/2006/09/15/1843322-sun.html

maybe this will change ur fucking mind

[Mark]

HERE:
http://www.ottawasun.com/News/National/2006/09/15/1843322-sun.html

maybe this will change ur fucking mind

Alright, you can either calm the hell down immediately and stop being so antagonistic, or you can be warned. Talk about a complete overreaction. You're mad, we get it. I'm mad, but you don't see me attacking everything in sight to try and deal with it. Manage your anger better. You're acting completely irrational. Stop.

[Kæton]

Holy crap, did someone actually call me insensitive of the sorts? :lol:

I'm not telling you to "get over being afraid." I'm telling you get over the fact that people are going to drag personal politics into ANYTHING with a high profile tragic outcome.

People need to stop coming to Serious Chat with a hothead; rarely do they think clearly. It never comes out well when folks come here looking for someone's head to bite off.

[Todd]

im not the one whose fucking bitching! did u not read my other posts?!? forget it im done here. You guys talk about whatever you want all i kno is that young girl could of been me. Im done with this thread

It could have been any of us here. You don't see us overreacting and throwing around insults. Most of us will come close to death at one point in our life, or if we don't, someone we know will. I know I've been in that situation before. Yet I'm not on some internet forum acting like a maniac because it could've been me or a family member who died.

Oh, and for what its worth, teenagers die every day, probably more like every hour. Anastasia isn't special, and certainly not the only one that age who has died. Hell, I bet that somewhere in the world, as I typed this post, some 18 year old died who didn't have to. Just fucking drop it. Yes, it's a tragedy, but you've overreacting over something that is sadly so common in our world.

[The_Rising_Tied]

alright fine wtv. sorry for being so bitchy. I didnt mean to get you guys ticked off and im sorry mark,todd, andrea and kaeton.

Sorry Everyone.

[Derek The Infamous]

Vampirefreaks is NOT a bad site and most of the people there are good people. I happen to have an account there and I find it pathetic how certain people (Neil in particular) want to attack it because of one f--ing idiot.

It's not goth culture that did it. It's not videogames. It's an idiot with psychological issues who didn't get help before it was too late. Nothing else.

[Mark]

Vampirefreaks is NOT a bad site and most of the people there are good people. I happen to have an account there and I find it pathetic how certain people (Neil in particular) want to attack it because of one f--ing idiot.

It's not goth culture that did it. It's not videogames. It's an idiot with psychological issues who didn't get help before it was too late. Nothing else.

Exactly.

[Derek The Infamous]

The question in all of this, which the media never asks is..where were the parents at? Nobody ever looks to see if the problem stemmed at home. Perhaps he had a horrible family life and it scarred him psychologically. Nobody ever considers that.

[Messy Marj]

Oh, and for what its worth, teenagers die every day, probably more like every hour. Anastasia isn't special, and certainly not the only one that age who has died. Hell, I bet that somewhere in the world, as I typed this post, some 18 year old died who didn't have to. Just fucking drop it. Yes, it's a tragedy, but you've overreacting over something that is sadly so common in our world.

Thank youuu.
That's exactly what I've been thinking all this time.
I just couldn't find a way to say it a bit...nice.

[The_Rising_Tied]

cuz the media just wants a good story, they dont care about the people. Just their ratings.

[Todd]

Thank youuu.
That's exactly what I've been thinking all this time.
I just couldn't find a way to say it a bit...nice.

Right, if she would've died any other way, we wouldn't even know who she was or know of her death. The media wants stories that make entertaining TV

[SPACED]

exactly, if someone died of suffocation, no one would care, but if someone gets gunned down in a college by some fucked up reatard, money in the bank

[Messy Marj]

Amen!