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sicx
10-04-2005, 11:15 PM
I posted this in the Believe Me thread, but Mike uses a sample in the Garage Band program on Mac's. Here is the sample, then compare it with Believe Me.

http://rapidshare.de/files/5886182/Orchest...8_copy.aif.html (http://rapidshare.de/files/5886182/Orchestra_Strings_08_copy.aif.html)

If this is the wrong forum, just move it.

Chris.
10-04-2005, 11:19 PM
Wow, you're right.

:wth:

Ander
10-05-2005, 12:04 AM
Hahah. Decent.

越南
10-05-2005, 12:21 AM
wow , nice catch.
hope he doesnt get sued :o

KirbyRockz
10-05-2005, 01:18 AM
Hahaha, sickness.

Louis
10-05-2005, 01:53 AM
Originally posted by sicx@Oct 4 2005, 11:15 PM
I posted this in the Believe Me thread, but Mike uses a sample in the Garage Band program on Mac's. Here is the sample, then compare it with Believe Me.

http://rapidshare.de/files/5886182/Orchest...8_copy.aif.html (http://rapidshare.de/files/5886182/Orchestra_Strings_08_copy.aif.html)

If this is the wrong forum, just move it.
People like you need to be paid. :lol:

sicx
10-05-2005, 02:01 AM
Originally posted by GiriosXeni+Oct 4 2005, 05:53 PM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (GiriosXeni @ Oct 4 2005, 05:53 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> <!--QuoteBegin--sicx@Oct 4 2005, 11:15 PM
I posted this in the Believe Me thread, but Mike uses a sample in the Garage Band program on Mac&#39;s. Here is the sample, then compare it with Believe Me.

http://rapidshare.de/files/5886182/Orchest...8_copy.aif.html (http://rapidshare.de/files/5886182/Orchestra_Strings_08_copy.aif.html)

If this is the wrong forum, just move it.
People like you need to be paid. :lol: [/b][/quote]
That&#39;s what I keep telling everbody....but no, I&#39;m not good enough :(

Astat
10-05-2005, 03:18 AM
Isn&#39;t Garage Band a music production program? If that&#39;s the case, I don&#39;t see a problem with using a sample from it, since that&#39;s kinda what it&#39;s purpose is anyway. I mean, they sampled a Led Zeppelin track (The Ocean) on Dolla from the FM mixtape, and there&#39;s no big deal over that.

Chris.
10-05-2005, 03:22 AM
Originally posted by tasta@Oct 4 2005, 11:18 PM
Isn&#39;t Garage Band a music production program? If that&#39;s the case, I don&#39;t see a problem with using a sample from it, since that&#39;s kinda what it&#39;s purpose is anyway. I mean, they sampled a Led Zeppelin track (The Ocean) on Dolla from the FM mixtape, and there&#39;s no big deal over that.
How do you know that? Is the mixtape out?

Astat
10-05-2005, 03:27 AM
Originally posted by BuriedxTragedy+Oct 4 2005, 11:22 PM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (BuriedxTragedy @ Oct 4 2005, 11:22 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> <!--QuoteBegin--tasta@Oct 4 2005, 11:18 PM
Isn&#39;t Garage Band a music production program? If that&#39;s the case, I don&#39;t see a problem with using a sample from it, since that&#39;s kinda what it&#39;s purpose is anyway. I mean, they sampled a Led Zeppelin track (The Ocean) on Dolla from the FM mixtape, and there&#39;s no big deal over that.
How do you know that? Is the mixtape out? [/b][/quote]
No, but it&#39;s been talked about already on the FM boards, and I heard a live clip of the song. Being a Zeppelin fan, I knew the sample as soon as I heard it.

And before I get PMs from people asking about it, it was a crappy quality live bootleg recording, and it was only a clip of the song. I deleted it after a couple listens and don&#39;t even have it now. The mixtape&#39;s gonna be out this month, you&#39;ll hear a good quality version soon enough.

Imprint
10-05-2005, 05:25 AM
Yeah, when I first heard Believe Me, the first thing that came to mind was Garage Band. I remember using that sample for a multimedia presentation. I guess Mike is Garage Band user too.

JJ
10-05-2005, 06:38 PM
it wont let me download it.....?


[edit]: thats obviously been stolen - tut tut mike

sicx
10-05-2005, 08:43 PM
Originally posted by tasta@Oct 4 2005, 07:18 PM
Isn&#39;t Garage Band a music production program? If that&#39;s the case, I don&#39;t see a problem with using a sample from it, since that&#39;s kinda what it&#39;s purpose is anyway. I mean, they sampled a Led Zeppelin track (The Ocean) on Dolla from the FM mixtape, and there&#39;s no big deal over that.
I&#39;m getting on Mike for using a pre-made sample. If it was a sound that he made into some notes then I wouldn&#39;t be trippin&#39;. It shows that whoever made the beat how lazy and talentless they are. If they have to use a pre-made sample to make a beat. That&#39;s just my opinion.

Astat
10-05-2005, 10:45 PM
Originally posted by sicx+Oct 5 2005, 04:43 PM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (sicx @ Oct 5 2005, 04:43 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> <!--QuoteBegin--tasta@Oct 4 2005, 07:18 PM
Isn&#39;t Garage Band a music production program? If that&#39;s the case, I don&#39;t see a problem with using a sample from it, since that&#39;s kinda what it&#39;s purpose is anyway. I mean, they sampled a Led Zeppelin track (The Ocean) on Dolla from the FM mixtape, and there&#39;s no big deal over that.
I&#39;m getting on Mike for using a pre-made sample. If it was a sound that he made into some notes then I wouldn&#39;t be trippin&#39;. It shows that whoever made the beat how lazy and talentless they are. If they have to use a pre-made sample to make a beat. That&#39;s just my opinion. [/b][/quote]
The strings aren&#39;t the only thing in there though, Mike still did the percussion and bassline and all the other samples in there himself. This isn&#39;t like what Vanilla Ice did to Under Pressure..."Mine has that *tsh&#33;* noise in it&#33; That makes all the difference&#33;" :lol:

$pvcxGhxztCasey
10-05-2005, 10:57 PM
Originally posted by sicx@Oct 4 2005, 06:15 PM
I posted this in the Believe Me thread, but Mike uses a sample in the Garage Band program on Mac&#39;s. Here is the sample, then compare it with Believe Me.

http://rapidshare.de/files/5886182/Orchest...8_copy.aif.html (http://rapidshare.de/files/5886182/Orchestra_Strings_08_copy.aif.html)

If this is the wrong forum, just move it.
Do you have a life?

Oh my god, Mike copied/ripped off/ACTUALLY USED GARAGE BAND in a song. Get over it. It&#39;s a tiny little sample.

Derek
10-06-2005, 03:54 AM
Originally posted by tasta+Oct 5 2005, 05:45 PM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (tasta @ Oct 5 2005, 05:45 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'>
Originally posted by -sicx@Oct 5 2005, 04:43 PM
<!--QuoteBegin--tasta@Oct 4 2005, 07:18 PM
Isn&#39;t Garage Band a music production program? If that&#39;s the case, I don&#39;t see a problem with using a sample from it, since that&#39;s kinda what it&#39;s purpose is anyway. I mean, they sampled a Led Zeppelin track (The Ocean) on Dolla from the FM mixtape, and there&#39;s no big deal over that.
I&#39;m getting on Mike for using a pre-made sample. If it was a sound that he made into some notes then I wouldn&#39;t be trippin&#39;. It shows that whoever made the beat how lazy and talentless they are. If they have to use a pre-made sample to make a beat. That&#39;s just my opinion.
The strings aren&#39;t the only thing in there though, Mike still did the percussion and bassline and all the other samples in there himself. This isn&#39;t like what Vanilla Ice did to Under Pressure..."Mine has that *tsh&#33;* noise in it&#33; That makes all the difference&#33;" :lol: [/b][/quote]
"Their&#39;s goes..dun dun dun dika dun dun..dun dun dun dun dika dun dun..."

"Ours goes..dun dun dika dun dun *TSH* duna dun dun dika dun dun.."

"It&#39;s that little bitty ting..its not the same&#33;"

sicx
10-06-2005, 06:22 AM
Originally posted by Casey+Oct 5 2005, 02:57 PM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (Casey @ Oct 5 2005, 02:57 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> <!--QuoteBegin--sicx@Oct 4 2005, 06:15 PM
I posted this in the Believe Me thread, but Mike uses a sample in the Garage Band program on Mac&#39;s. Here is the sample, then compare it with Believe Me.

http://rapidshare.de/files/5886182/Orchest...8_copy.aif.html (http://rapidshare.de/files/5886182/Orchestra_Strings_08_copy.aif.html)

If this is the wrong forum, just move it.
Do you have a life?

Oh my god, Mike copied/ripped off/ACTUALLY USED GARAGE BAND in a song. Get over it. It&#39;s a tiny little sample. [/b][/quote]
And you&#39;re a tiny little man, get a life? I probly have more of a life than you, since you&#39;re the one with how many thousand posts? Please.

sicx
10-06-2005, 06:26 AM
Originally posted by tasta+Oct 5 2005, 02:45 PM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (tasta @ Oct 5 2005, 02:45 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'>
Originally posted by -sicx@Oct 5 2005, 04:43 PM
<!--QuoteBegin--tasta@Oct 4 2005, 07:18 PM
Isn&#39;t Garage Band a music production program? If that&#39;s the case, I don&#39;t see a problem with using a sample from it, since that&#39;s kinda what it&#39;s purpose is anyway. I mean, they sampled a Led Zeppelin track (The Ocean) on Dolla from the FM mixtape, and there&#39;s no big deal over that.
I&#39;m getting on Mike for using a pre-made sample. If it was a sound that he made into some notes then I wouldn&#39;t be trippin&#39;. It shows that whoever made the beat how lazy and talentless they are. If they have to use a pre-made sample to make a beat. That&#39;s just my opinion.
The strings aren&#39;t the only thing in there though, Mike still did the percussion and bassline and all the other samples in there himself. This isn&#39;t like what Vanilla Ice did to Under Pressure..."Mine has that *tsh&#33;* noise in it&#33; That makes all the difference&#33;" :lol: [/b][/quote]
True, I mean he showed that he has talent and is a very skilled man with the Remember The Name beat. That beat is PHAT&#33; :mike:

But I don&#39;t see why he would use a pre-made sample when he has the mind set to make his own samples.

Neil
10-06-2005, 12:12 PM
If he owns garage band... doesn&#39;t that mean he can use the sample? Wouldn&#39;t that make it an almost open source sound? Freely distributable material?

Besides, it&#39;s a fucking part of a beat. How do you make a new beat, you put already made materials together. See my point?

So the next person who says that Mike&#39;s a freeloading no talent scumbag can:

i) Go fuck themselves
ii) Try to write, produce and make a whole album in under a year.
iii) Fail.

Paul
10-07-2005, 04:14 AM
This thread is hillarious.

Minus
10-07-2005, 04:22 AM
Originally posted by Neil@Oct 6 2005, 06:12 AM
So the next person who says that Mike&#39;s a freeloading no talent scumbag can:

i) Go fuck themselves
ii) Try to write, produce and make a whole album in under a year.
iii) Fail.
I think a mixture of the three would work out fine. :lol:

XVZ
10-07-2005, 02:30 PM
Holy Sh*t dude ur right it sounds the same

Rather Red
10-07-2005, 06:50 PM
Originally posted by sicx+Oct 6 2005, 06:22 AM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (sicx @ Oct 6 2005, 06:22 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'>
Originally posted by -Casey@Oct 5 2005, 02:57 PM
<!--QuoteBegin--sicx@Oct 4 2005, 06:15 PM
I posted this in the Believe Me thread, but Mike uses a sample in the Garage Band program on Mac&#39;s. Here is the sample, then compare it with Believe Me.

http://rapidshare.de/files/5886182/Orchest...8_copy.aif.html (http://rapidshare.de/files/5886182/Orchestra_Strings_08_copy.aif.html)

If this is the wrong forum, just move it.
Do you have a life?

Oh my god, Mike copied/ripped off/ACTUALLY USED GARAGE BAND in a song. Get over it. It&#39;s a tiny little sample.
And you&#39;re a tiny little man, get a life? I probly have more of a life than you, since you&#39;re the one with how many thousand posts? Please. [/b][/quote]
HAHAHAHA&#33; snap

Justin V.
10-07-2005, 07:06 PM
Originally posted by Neil@Oct 6 2005, 12:12 PM
If he owns garage band... doesn&#39;t that mean he can use the sample? Wouldn&#39;t that make it an almost open source sound? Freely distributable material?

Besides, it&#39;s a fucking part of a beat. How do you make a new beat, you put already made materials together. See my point?

So the next person who says that Mike&#39;s a freeloading no talent scumbag can:

i) Go fuck themselves
ii) Try to write, produce and make a whole album in under a year.
iii) Fail.
I think you&#39;re missing the point here. Mike said he was going to play most of the instruments AND... AND make his own samples. I could give a fuck less if Mike samples at all. Sampling is hip-hop (Kanye West duh). But it&#39;s the fact that he seems to pride himself on not sampling and making his own.

Now "making a new beat" is a different process. In music there are two types of samples. Loops and one-shots. One shots are what the "beat" are made out of. One drum, one snare. The beat isn&#39;t pre-made, but each individual part of a drumset is. THAT takes creativity&#33; Now getting a string section to re-do a Garage Band sample? Not so much creativity involved.

So there&#39;s a difference between "HE USED SAMPLES FOR THAT BEAT&#33;" and "HE COPIED GARAGE BAND&#33;" Saying the beat is sampled is like saying playing a keyboard is sampling every note of a real piano, it is, but it&#39;s not. There&#39;s a difference.

Even though I just typed that, I really don&#39;t care if he samples or not. Sampling is a part of hip-hop. I just don&#39;t want dudes to get making a beat and using a string sample twisted. And yes, it&#39;s royalty free so he can use it all he wants.

P.S. - I&#39;ve fucked myself, wrote and produced my first album in under a year, and failed at many a thing&#33;

Derek
10-07-2005, 07:14 PM
Yeah it is a little sad that Mike just took the sound and didn&#39;t alter it at all. Mike goes on about making the album organic then rips off a computer made sample.

Sad thing is we all know Mike probably could&#39;ve written a better violin sample then that..

Mushroom Cloud
10-08-2005, 01:10 PM
Originally posted by Derekt Hit@Oct 7 2005, 07:14 PM
Yeah it is a little sad that Mike just took the sound and didn&#39;t alter it at all. Mike goes on about making the album organic then rips off a computer made sample.

Sad thing is we all know Mike probably could&#39;ve written a better violin sample then that..
yeah...I have to admit it sucks that he did that.....but it is a hip-hop album......rap artist do it all the time.....but I did expect better from mike.....especially since he had an orchestra at the time......ohwell

Derek
10-08-2005, 04:15 PM
Mike just has to step it up because honestly Fort Minor so far is a joke. He should just call it Styles of Beyond ft. Mike Shinoda because he hasn&#39;t outshined SOB at all on any of the songs released to date.

Infact his lyrics on his own songs have gotten worse since Meteora..something tells me this isn&#39;t Don Gilmore.

Luke
10-08-2005, 08:28 PM
So what?

If it wasn&#39;t for samples we wouldn&#39;t have half of Tupacs songs, many many Eminem songs or Many Coolio songs.

Its true Mike could have come up with a better sample than this but to be honest I think the song is fine and pretty catchy and Fort Minor is shaping up to be quite good.

JJ
10-08-2005, 09:23 PM
Originally posted by Hellflame@Oct 8 2005, 08:28 PM
So what?

If it wasn&#39;t for samples we wouldn&#39;t have half of Tupacs songs, many many Eminem songs or Many Coolio songs.

Its true Mike could have come up with a better sample than this but to be honest I think the song is fine and pretty catchy and Fort Minor is shaping up to be quite good.
...and thats then end of that chapeter :lol:

Geki
10-09-2005, 12:37 AM
That&#39;s kind of weird, but Mike does what he wants.

IAlsoLikeLP
10-09-2005, 06:02 AM
so what ur saying is that mike ripped some stuff of a grage band that havent hit the big time yet??

Paul
10-09-2005, 06:03 AM
Originally posted by IAlsoLikeLP@Oct 9 2005, 06:02 AM
so what ur saying is that mike ripped some stuff of a grage band that havent hit the big time yet??
Yes, that&#39;s exactly what he&#39;s saying.

JJ
10-09-2005, 07:30 PM
Originally posted by Geki@Oct 9 2005, 12:37 AM
That&#39;s kind of weird, but Mike does what he wants.
and he likes what he does :lol:

Chris.
10-09-2005, 07:31 PM
Originally posted by Paul+Oct 9 2005, 02:03 AM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (Paul @ Oct 9 2005, 02:03 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> <!--QuoteBegin--IAlsoLikeLP@Oct 9 2005, 06:02 AM
so what ur saying is that mike ripped some stuff of a grage band that havent hit the big time yet??
Yes, that&#39;s exactly what he&#39;s saying. [/b][/quote]
:lol: :lol: :lol:


EDIT: I don&#39;t see this as a big deal and just because sicx posted about it. It&#39;s kind of interesting. Some people in this thread really need to calm the fuck down though. The attacks are ridiculous.

boojitsu
10-11-2005, 04:39 PM
haha this is a sad notice, but if you listen to the end, it goes UP instead of staying flat... that&#39;s a difference :)

and who knows

we&#39;re all up on mike saying he ripped it off... .maybe he DIDN"T... and heard that somewhere (the violin song on whatever the program is) and a couple months later, when writing... kinda was like i want to be like this ... and starts writing violins basically with the tune in his head he heard a while ago but not really remembering where he heard it...

i&#39;ve done that quite a few times with guitar and sometimes i never remember where i heard the riff...

example:

http://www.myspace.com/boojitsu21

song: Lacking


i wrote the song... and later found out i ripped off a band called lovedrug... the guitar is very similar (if not identical) but still a different style song, whatever.... so if any of you know lovedrug (or don&#39;t and are interested in checking them out) you can see how i basically "copied" them... but i honestly didn&#39;t mean to haha

-Boojitsu21

Aplacetorest
10-19-2005, 06:00 PM
Originally posted by Casey+Oct 5 2005, 10:57 PM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (Casey @ Oct 5 2005, 10:57 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> <!--QuoteBegin--sicx@Oct 4 2005, 06:15 PM
I posted this in the Believe Me thread, but Mike uses a sample in the Garage Band program on Mac&#39;s. Here is the sample, then compare it with Believe Me.

http://rapidshare.de/files/5886182/Orchest...8_copy.aif.html (http://rapidshare.de/files/5886182/Orchestra_Strings_08_copy.aif.html)

If this is the wrong forum, just move it.
Do you have a life?

Oh my god, Mike copied/ripped off/ACTUALLY USED GARAGE BAND in a song. Get over it. It&#39;s a tiny little sample. [/b][/quote]
good call