Do you believe in life after death [Archive]

finality

08-12-2005, 05:04 AM

I'd like to believe in life after death, so I put yes.

But, honestly, can you name a way, scientifically for it to happen?

The only religion that I think is near correct would be one that believes in reincarnation - no karma or anything involved, just having your memories erased and living as another being/animal/etc in this world.

Scary thought, but really ... it isn't, because once you're gone, you're gone. You won't feel pain, you won't have sad memories or anything like that, it'll be like eternal sleep. It scares me so bad just to think about it... oh man, I don't know why, as it doesn't make a difference.

I wish I could believe in a religion, I really do... :innocent:

Glenn

08-12-2005, 05:06 AM

Originally posted by finality@Aug 12 2005, 12:04 AM
I'd like to believe in life after death, so I put yes.

But, honestly, can you name a way, scientifically for it to happen?

The only religion that I think is near correct would be one that believes in reincarnation - no karma or anything involved, just having your memories erased and living as another being/animal/etc in this world.

Scary thought, but really ... it isn't, because once you're gone, you're gone. You won't feel pain, you won't have sad memories or anything like that, it'll be like eternal sleep. It scares me so bad just to think about it... oh man, I don't know why, as it doesn't make a difference.

I wish I could believe in a religion, I really do... :innocent:
You have a choice to believe in a religion...

finality

08-12-2005, 05:20 AM

Originally posted by Glenn+Aug 12 2005, 05:06 AM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (Glenn @ Aug 12 2005, 05:06 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> <!--QuoteBegin--finality@Aug 12 2005, 12:04 AM
I'd like to believe in life after death, so I put yes.

But, honestly, can you name a way, scientifically for it to happen?

The only religion that I think is near correct would be one that believes in reincarnation - no karma or anything involved, just having your memories erased and living as another being/animal/etc in this world.

Scary thought, but really ... it isn't, because once you're gone, you're gone. You won't feel pain, you won't have sad memories or anything like that, it'll be like eternal sleep. It scares me so bad just to think about it... oh man, I don't know why, as it doesn't make a difference.

I wish I could believe in a religion, I really do... :innocent:
You have a choice to believe in a religion... [/b][/quote]
But see, as a logical thinker, I just can't imagine any of it being possible.

I wish it were as easy as believing in Santa Claus.

Omar A

08-12-2005, 05:21 AM

insanechica007

08-12-2005, 07:58 PM

honestly, i believe in reincarnation, but none of that hippie-type shit..karama and whatnot..but i find god hard to believe in, so i don't think you go to heaven or whatever..

i dunno, maybe you just die. like a candle flame going out..you're just gone.

Debus

08-12-2005, 08:29 PM

I want to believe there is an after-life is you know what i mean, It scares me to think that we're just here for however long and then...that's it. I hope there would be something more. I believe we just start over either in another world/time. So yeah, in that sense i suppose i do believe in life after death

El Muerto

08-12-2005, 09:12 PM

Originally posted by finality@Aug 12 2005, 06:04 AM
But, honestly, can you name a way, scientifically for it to happen?

Well thousand years ago people couldn't name many things that we understand now. Maybe in future people will be able to find out what's beyond life. Though, chances are small.

The only religion that I think is near correct would be one that believes in reincarnation - no karma or anything involved, just having your memories erased and living as another being/animal/etc in this world.

I'd like to be a butterfly. Nobody suspects a butterfly. :shifty:

Messy Marj

08-12-2005, 09:42 PM

Yes. I don't believe in God and crap. But I do believe (at least I hope) that there are more lives after this one. I also believe in Karma.

amanda_diane

08-12-2005, 11:32 PM

I believe in life after death, I do believe there's a heaven and a god, and I believe we'll have a better life after this one.

Fantas_LP4ever!

08-13-2005, 12:59 AM

Yes, I believe.
I believe there are something after death. It's a misterious that nobody alive is able to reveal.
I have a strange theory: the number of deaths of some day in the world is equal to the number of the births in the same day.

Link04

08-13-2005, 03:10 AM

No, I don't believe in life after death. This is my heaven. I don't entertain the thought that the spirit and the body are two entities in themselves, but rather, two gears to the machine that is an individual. Without one, I wouldn't WANT to live without the other, much less whether it's possible, which I don't believe is so. It seems, in my opinion, somewhat arrogent to think that because we have an advanced thought process we'll be spared the same cycle of existence/non-existence as animals.

Ant

08-13-2005, 03:25 AM

Yes, it's a belief of mine.

Holiday

08-13-2005, 06:42 AM

i believe that once your body dies you die.....maybe you're soul or memory and cling to this plane for a while. but death is the great black abiss.....nothingness....

at least in my opinion.

LD50

08-13-2005, 08:23 AM

It sure would be nice to believe in life after death.

It isn't happy to think that when we die, we experience the nothingness that is so very hard to grasp. It isn't happy to think that once this life is over, that's all there is. But it's fantasy to believe otherwise.

You just gotta do what you can with what you got.

Tom

08-13-2005, 11:02 AM

i belive we come back to life as someone new and have no memory of it.

arT saveS

08-13-2005, 06:16 PM

Originally posted by Omar A@Aug 12 2005, 12:21 AM
Well why won't you get off your arse and research and find something you believe in?

A person cannot force themselves to believe in something. That's why it's called faith. It just happens, you believe in it deeply. Sure, a person can change and end up believing, but it wouldn't be from forcing themselves to believe. I wish I could believe there was a god of some kind, or atleast something besides "eternal sleep", but as he said I am too a logical thinker, and believing in a higher being, in a paradise after life, isn't exactly logical.

cam_KARMA

08-24-2005, 08:52 AM

EVEN THOUGH MY USERNAME...STATES kARMA..(HALF i BELIEVE ON IT).I DO BELIEVE THAT THERE IS LIFE AFTER DEATH...

Dave+Kay

08-24-2005, 12:52 PM

there should be am 'I'm not sure' vote. because I'm not. and I don't think about it either. I'm just going to wait and see.

EDIT: yeah. that means Nullvote

08-24-2005, 03:12 PM

Originally posted by Adam@Aug 11 2005, 09:34 PM
I believe we die, go six feet under and that's that.
well said

Unplugged

08-24-2005, 04:41 PM

Yes
But no one never dies, cause you keep living in some people's hart and it's kinda crappy if there was only this life..maybe stupid to you, but that's mine opinion :lol:

Runawy

08-24-2005, 10:45 PM

Sometimes I think it would be sweet if there was life after death, that it wasn't just over, but... No, I don't believe in it. When you die you die.

session0677

08-26-2005, 02:04 AM

yes i believe in it i believe in reincarnation

cam_KARMA

09-01-2005, 09:04 AM

^ i BELIEVE BUT ONLY HALF OF IT...

BUDDHISM STATES KARMA...IN A WAY..THAT WHATEVER YOU ARE DOING TO YOUR LIFE NOW..WHETHER ITS BAD OR GOOD THINGS...IN THE NEXT LIFE YOU WILL GAIN OR SUFFER OF YOUR DOINGS...-THAT i BELIEVE ON IT..

BUT I DONT BELIEVE THAT IN THE NEXT LIFE W E COULD BE A PIG...OR SOME KNIDA ANIMAL THING...THAT i DONT BELIEVE ON THAT...

Evan™

09-01-2005, 12:21 PM

im not sure, but i have this weird theory about life after death...i think that we become a new kid all over again and another one is that, the Human Race has a swt number of people, meaning that when people die during a span of time, an equal amount of people will be giving birth to an equal amount of kids! but it sounds so dumb....

Link04

09-01-2005, 05:33 PM

Originally posted by Evan@Sep 1 2005, 12:21 PM
im not sure, but i have this weird theory about life after death...i think that we become a new kid all over again and another one is that, the Human Race has a swt number of people, meaning that when people die during a span of time, an equal amount of people will be giving birth to an equal amount of kids! but it sounds so dumb....
I guess that could be a possibility if the birth and death rates were the same...if I'm interpreting what you're saying correctly. I'm not quite sure, but I think the global birth rate out does the global death rate.

Fantas_LP4ever!

09-05-2005, 10:29 PM

I didn’t write everything in the last answer for this topic and what I will say next It’s serious.

The majiority of the ancient civilizations believed in the life after death, for example, the ancient Egyptian civilization. This civilization removed all of the organs from the body of the Pharaohs and of other riche and power people except their heart. They embalmed the bodies and beside the bodies were kept organs in vases. They did that ritual events cause they believed in the life after death, the deads turned back to the life with their last body.

When you go to a hypnotist he can know your last life. (I never went to one but I heard this in the television and read in the magazines.) It’s so strange, no? The hypnotists can know what you did in your past or/and last lifes. If you were a king or a slave. If you lived in the Renascenece’s era or in the Mediaeval’s era. Trought that he can know your fears and cure you from them.

One day I had lessons about ‘the body and the death’. We discussed that subject. I have ever seen some documentaries about the Egyptian civilization and I think I said some thing like that:
‘ The body is just a temporary address to the spirit. The spirit never dies except the body. So when we die we die physicaly and not spiritaly. The spirit is imortal.” The catechist said to me that I was right.

There are people that affirme they had or have some direct contacts with the spirit of the dead people. It’s frightenned but I believe.

Well, Christ after tree days of his death He resuscitated.

In Creed there is something like that“ And I wait the resurrection of the deads and the life of the world that is coming .”

Well, what do you want to say about that?

Link04

09-06-2005, 03:38 AM

Originally posted by Fantas_LP4ever!@Sep 5 2005, 10:29 PM

When you go to a hypnotist he can know your last life. (I never went to one but I heard this in the television and read in the magazines.) It’s so strange, no? The hypnotists can know what you did in your past or/and last lifes. If you were a king or a slave. If you lived in the Renascenece’s era or in the Mediaeval’s era. Trought that he can know your fears and cure you from them.

And how would you ever possible prove him correct or incorrect? I could tell you that in your last life you were a fish, and what could you do to tell me that I was wrong? Even IF I accepted the premise for one second that reincarnation was true, no one KNOWS what you were in your 'last life.' They're either guessing to screw with you, or to put food on the table. Unless they were there to observe it, which, if they weren't a thousand years old, they probably weren't, how can they TELL you with a straight face what you were in your last life? There's absolutely no factual, concrete, tangible evidence, your guess would be as legitimate as his.

I'll say it again, I have absolutely no reason to believe that the body and spirit are two separate entities that work against each other, or in spite of one another. That's what the whole "life after death" argument is based upon. My body and spirit are nothing without the other, as two gears to my being. If the spirit didn't need the body, why does a body exist at all?

And the majority of ancient civilizations had slaves, that doesn't mean they were any more correct in believing in that. What you implied there is a logical fallacy.

Evan™

09-06-2005, 06:47 AM

Originally posted by Link04+Sep 6 2005, 03:38 AM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (Link04 @ Sep 6 2005, 03:38 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> <!--QuoteBegin--Fantas_LP4ever!@Sep 5 2005, 10:29 PM

When you go to a hypnotist he can know your last life. (I never went to one but I heard this in the television and read in the magazines.) It’s so strange, no? The hypnotists can know what you did in your past or/and last lifes. If you were a king or a slave. If you lived in the Renascenece’s era or in the Mediaeval’s era. Trought that he can know your fears and cure you from them.

And how would you ever possible prove him correct or incorrect? I could tell you that in your last life you were a fish, and what could you do to tell me that I was wrong? Even IF I accepted the premise for one second that reincarnation was true, no one KNOWS what you were in your 'last life.' They're either guessing to screw with you, or to put food on the table. Unless they were there to observe it, which, if they weren't a thousand years old, they probably weren't, how can they TELL you with a straight face what you were in your last life? There's absolutely no factual, concrete, tangible evidence, your guess would be as legitimate as his.

I'll say it again, I have absolutely no reason to believe that the body and spirit are two separate entities that work against each other, or in spite of one another. That's what the whole "life after death" argument is based upon. My body and spirit are nothing without the other, as two gears to my being. If the spirit didn't need the body, why does a body exist at all?

And the majority of ancient civilizations had slaves, that doesn't mean they were any more correct in believing in that. What you implied there is a logical fallacy. [/b][/quote]
damn right

laolith

09-06-2005, 03:16 PM

well if u count cyrogenics there is a life after death. wen ur frozen u die, and when ur unfrozen u r alive again. :D

Luke

09-06-2005, 06:14 PM

Death isn't the end of life, its just a path we must all take and move on to our next stages of existance...however I'll be damned if I'm gonna believe that heaven is a floating cloud in the sky...face it,if that was the case we would have discovered it by now :lol:

But I think paradise follows after death somehow.

Link04

09-06-2005, 06:18 PM

Originally posted by Hellflame@Sep 6 2005, 06:14 PM
Death isn't the end of life, its just a path we must all take and move on to our next stages of existance...however I'll be damned if I'm gonna believe that heaven is a floating cloud in the sky...face it,if that was the case we would have discovered it by now :lol:

But I think paradise follows after death somehow.
If heaven is exists in a metaphysical realm, to house our metaphysical souls, how do expect physical humans to "discover" it by physical means?

+ / –

09-06-2005, 06:20 PM

Originally posted by cam_KARMA@Sep 1 2005, 03:04 AM
^ i BELIEVE BUT ONLY HALF OF IT...

BUDDHISM STATES KARMA...IN A WAY..THAT WHATEVER YOU ARE DOING TO YOUR LIFE NOW..WHETHER ITS BAD OR GOOD THINGS...IN THE NEXT LIFE YOU WILL GAIN OR SUFFER OF YOUR DOINGS...-THAT i BELIEVE ON IT..

BUT I DONT BELIEVE THAT IN THE NEXT LIFE W E COULD BE A PIG...OR SOME KNIDA ANIMAL THING...THAT i DONT BELIEVE ON THAT...
http://maddox.xmission.com/keyboard4.jpg

Luke

09-06-2005, 09:11 PM

Originally posted by Link04+Sep 6 2005, 06:18 PM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (Link04 @ Sep 6 2005, 06:18 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> <!--QuoteBegin--Hellflame@Sep 6 2005, 06:14 PM
Death isn't the end of life, its just a path we must all take and move on to our next stages of existance...however I'll be damned if I'm gonna believe that heaven is a floating cloud in the sky...face it,if that was the case we would have discovered it by now :lol:

But I think paradise follows after death somehow.
If heaven is exists in a metaphysical realm, to house our metaphysical souls, how do expect physical humans to "discover" it by physical means? [/b][/quote]
I've got a better quiestion, why do you challenge every opinion I have about anything philosiphical?

@Minus Xero: lmfao! :lol:

Link04

09-06-2005, 09:11 PM

Originally posted by Hellflame+Sep 6 2005, 09:11 PM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (Hellflame @ Sep 6 2005, 09:11 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'>
Originally posted by -Link04@Sep 6 2005, 06:18 PM
<!--QuoteBegin--Hellflame@Sep 6 2005, 06:14 PM
Death isn't the end of life, its just a path we must all take and move on to our next stages of existance...however I'll be damned if I'm gonna believe that heaven is a floating cloud in the sky...face it,if that was the case we would have discovered it by now :lol:

But I think paradise follows after death somehow.
If heaven is exists in a metaphysical realm, to house our metaphysical souls, how do expect physical humans to "discover" it by physical means?
I've got a better quiestion, why do you challenge every opinion I have about anything philosiphical?

@Minus Xero: lmfao! :lol: [/b][/quote]
Because what you "believe" is absolutely ridden with contradictions.

Now please, answer the question.

Evan™

09-06-2005, 09:59 PM

Originally posted by Link04+Sep 1 2005, 05:33 PM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (Link04 @ Sep 1 2005, 05:33 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> <!--QuoteBegin--Evan@Sep 1 2005, 12:21 PM
im not sure, but i have this weird theory about life after death...i think that we become a new kid all over again and another one is that, the Human Race has a swt number of people, meaning that when people die during a span of time, an equal amount of people will be giving birth to an equal amount of kids! but it sounds so dumb....
I guess that could be a possibility if the birth and death rates were the same...if I'm interpreting what you're saying correctly. I'm not quite sure, but I think the global birth rate out does the global death rate. [/b][/quote]
but there are some days that there are more dead people then the birth rates and that will draw both rates level....hmm....maybe....

Link04

09-06-2005, 10:01 PM

Originally posted by Evan+Sep 6 2005, 09:59 PM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (Evan @ Sep 6 2005, 09:59 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'>
Originally posted by -Link04@Sep 1 2005, 05:33 PM
<!--QuoteBegin--Evan@Sep 1 2005, 12:21 PM
im not sure, but i have this weird theory about life after death...i think that we become a new kid all over again and another one is that, the Human Race has a swt number of people, meaning that when people die during a span of time, an equal amount of people will be giving birth to an equal amount of kids! but it sounds so dumb....
I guess that could be a possibility if the birth and death rates were the same...if I'm interpreting what you're saying correctly. I'm not quite sure, but I think the global birth rate out does the global death rate.
but there are some days that there are more dead people then the birth rates and that will draw both rates level....hmm....maybe.... [/b][/quote]
Right, but what I mean by a "rate" is over an extended period of time. Like, the rates are a net gain or net loss over say...a year's time. So if the birth rate is even +.01, there are still more babies being born in a year then people dying, and I was under the impression that the birth rate already exceeded that on average.

Luke

09-06-2005, 10:09 PM

Originally posted by Link04+Sep 6 2005, 09:11 PM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (Link04 @ Sep 6 2005, 09:11 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'>
Originally posted by -Hellflame@Sep 6 2005, 09:11 PM

Originally posted by -Link04@Sep 6 2005, 06:18 PM
<!--QuoteBegin--Hellflame@Sep 6 2005, 06:14 PM
Death isn't the end of life, its just a path we must all take and move on to our next stages of existance...however I'll be damned if I'm gonna believe that heaven is a floating cloud in the sky...face it,if that was the case we would have discovered it by now :lol:

But I think paradise follows after death somehow.
If heaven is exists in a metaphysical realm, to house our metaphysical souls, how do expect physical humans to "discover" it by physical means?
I've got a better quiestion, why do you challenge every opinion I have about anything philosiphical?

@Minus Xero: lmfao! :lol:
Because what you "believe" is absolutely ridden with contradictions.

Now please, answer the question. [/b][/quote]
Here's some advice, learn what the word contradiction means before you throw it at someone like 50 times. I was joking about the heaven clouds and even if my beliefs are contradications (as you say) so fucking what, they're my beliefs and not yours to challenge because you have no right to tell me what to believe because thats some straight up dictative shit.

Good day to you sir.

Link04

09-06-2005, 10:12 PM

Originally posted by Hellflame@Sep 6 2005, 10:09 PM
Here's some advice, learn what the word contradiction means before you throw it at someone like 50 times. I was joking about the heaven clouds and even if my beliefs are contradications (as you say) so fucking what, they're my beliefs and not yours to challenge because you have no right to tell me what to believe because thats some straight up dictative shit.

Good day to you sir.
A contradiction, roughly, is a scenario where two directly conflicting thoughts or ideas are held as one believe.

And your beliefs are mine to challenge. When you post your beliefs in this forum, you make it clear that they're up for challenging, which I'm doing. If you think you're as right as you do, why not try proving me wrong? I don't believe you're able.

Luke

09-06-2005, 10:23 PM

Originally posted by Link04+Sep 6 2005, 10:12 PM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (Link04 @ Sep 6 2005, 10:12 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> <!--QuoteBegin--Hellflame@Sep 6 2005, 10:09 PM
Here's some advice, learn what the word contradiction means before you throw it at someone like 50 times. I was joking about the heaven clouds and even if my beliefs are contradications (as you say) so fucking what, they're my beliefs and not yours to challenge because you have no right to tell me what to believe because thats some straight up dictative shit.

Good day to you sir.
A contradiction, roughly, is a scenario where two directly conflicting thoughts or ideas are held as one believe.

And your beliefs are mine to challenge. When you post your beliefs in this forum, you make it clear that they're up for challenging, which I'm doing. If you think you're as right as you do, why not try proving me wrong? I don't believe you're able. [/b][/quote]
No my beliefs aren't yours to challenge, its your right to comment on them but you can't tell me my beliefs are wrong. So next time don't start getting all technical with me and trying to spot flaws in my posts because to be honest I think thats quite sad that your spending a vast amount of time trying to prove everything I say wrong.

Link04

09-06-2005, 11:19 PM

Originally posted by Hellflame+Sep 6 2005, 10:23 PM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (Hellflame @ Sep 6 2005, 10:23 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'>
Originally posted by -Link04@Sep 6 2005, 10:12 PM
<!--QuoteBegin--Hellflame@Sep 6 2005, 10:09 PM
Here's some advice, learn what the word contradiction means before you throw it at someone like 50 times. I was joking about the heaven clouds and even if my beliefs are contradications (as you say) so fucking what, they're my beliefs and not yours to challenge because you have no right to tell me what to believe because thats some straight up dictative shit.

Good day to you sir.
A contradiction, roughly, is a scenario where two directly conflicting thoughts or ideas are held as one believe.

And your beliefs are mine to challenge. When you post your beliefs in this forum, you make it clear that they're up for challenging, which I'm doing. If you think you're as right as you do, why not try proving me wrong? I don't believe you're able.
No my beliefs aren't yours to challenge, its your right to comment on them but you can't tell me my beliefs are wrong. So next time don't start getting all technical with me and trying to spot flaws in my posts because to be honest I think thats quite sad that your spending a vast amount of time trying to prove everything I say wrong. [/b][/quote]
The last time I checked, this forum was for serious topics and debate. Maybe if you're sensitive to being proved wrong or questioned, you shouldn't post it here? By posting your beliefs here, yes, they are subject to criticism. I have not attacked you personally, I have kept it pretty respectful, I have merely pointed out the flaws in your argument, to generate discussion, and even for you to review your own beliefs and maybe start criticising them yourself. This is one of the ways humans learn collectively. By presenting ideas and theories, and seeing which ones make sense, which don't, and proving right or wrong certain ideas.

You've presented your ideas. I haven't been technical at all, the contradictions in what you've presented are pretty blatant. If you disagree, again, prove otherwise. If not, you're pretty much making a public statement that your beliefs don't make sense.

I don't find it sad at all that I attempt to use reason and logic to find truth. Do you?

Luke

09-06-2005, 11:22 PM

Originally posted by Link04+Sep 6 2005, 11:19 PM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (Link04 @ Sep 6 2005, 11:19 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'>
Originally posted by -Hellflame@Sep 6 2005, 10:23 PM

Originally posted by -Link04@Sep 6 2005, 10:12 PM
<!--QuoteBegin--Hellflame@Sep 6 2005, 10:09 PM
Here's some advice, learn what the word contradiction means before you throw it at someone like 50 times. I was joking about the heaven clouds and even if my beliefs are contradications (as you say) so fucking what, they're my beliefs and not yours to challenge because you have no right to tell me what to believe because thats some straight up dictative shit.

Good day to you sir.
A contradiction, roughly, is a scenario where two directly conflicting thoughts or ideas are held as one believe.

And your beliefs are mine to challenge. When you post your beliefs in this forum, you make it clear that they're up for challenging, which I'm doing. If you think you're as right as you do, why not try proving me wrong? I don't believe you're able.
No my beliefs aren't yours to challenge, its your right to comment on them but you can't tell me my beliefs are wrong. So next time don't start getting all technical with me and trying to spot flaws in my posts because to be honest I think thats quite sad that your spending a vast amount of time trying to prove everything I say wrong.
The last time I checked, this forum was for serious topics and debate. Maybe if you're sensitive to being proved wrong or questioned, you shouldn't post it here? By posting your beliefs here, yes, they are subject to criticism. I have not attacked you personally, I have kept it pretty respectful, I have merely pointed out the flaws in your argument, to generate discussion, and even for you to review your own beliefs and maybe start criticising them yourself. This is one of the ways humans learn collectively. By presenting ideas and theories, and seeing which ones make sense, which don't, and proving right or wrong certain ideas.

You've presented your ideas. I haven't been technical at all, the contradictions in what you've presented are pretty blatant. If you disagree, again, prove otherwise. If not, you're pretty much making a public statement that your beliefs don't make sense.

I don't find it sad at all that I attempt to use reason and logic to find truth. Do you? [/b][/quote]
I see where you're coming from but for a change could you perhaps challenge someone else opinion :lol:

I'm not holding anything personal against you but it just seems to me that whatever I post here you immeadiatly challenge.

Link04

09-06-2005, 11:30 PM

Well, mostly, what you've posted is completely against what I know to be true.

I've argued with Ant in the past, but he seemed to have stop arguing with me after he laughed at me a lot but still didn't prove me otherwise wrong.

And most other times I'll speak my mind, unless I deem someone beyond reaching. I'm sorry you felt that I was singling you out, I guess it's just been coincidence lately. Just look at it this way, probably half of LPA believes what you do, but you're one of the only ones willing to debate with me about it.

Luke

09-06-2005, 11:33 PM

I'll debate but theres a certain point where you can't take any more challenges :lol:

Give me a while and I'l be back to debate,I swear ;)

Theazninvasion68

09-07-2005, 01:37 AM

I think we become ghosts and no-one botheres us unless we want them too.

Will

09-07-2005, 02:40 AM

There's no life after death. That's why you died.

Holiday

09-07-2005, 02:47 AM

I think that its funny that a higher percentage of people believe in life after death than a God or the idea of God....

+ / –

09-07-2005, 03:55 AM

Originally posted by Holiday@Sep 6 2005, 08:47 PM
I think that its funny that a higher percentage of people believe in life after death than a God or the idea of God....
More religions have life after death than do a single God.

Buddhism, for example, exemplifies reincarnation but doesn't have a diety, persay.

It has a teacher, Buddha, but he isn't considered a God. He was elevated to that level by his followers.

Holiday

09-07-2005, 04:38 AM

Originally posted by Minus Xero+Sep 6 2005, 08:55 PM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (Minus Xero @ Sep 6 2005, 08:55 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> <!--QuoteBegin--Holiday@Sep 6 2005, 08:47 PM
I think that its funny that a higher percentage of people believe in life after death than a God or the idea of God....
More religions have life after death than do a single God.

Buddhism, for example, exemplifies reincarnation but doesn't have a diety, persay.

It has a teacher, Buddha, but he isn't considered a God. He was elevated to that level by his followers. [/b][/quote]
oh, believe me. I understand that. I was thinking of that while i was writing that post, actually. I was thinking that the "idea of a God" thing covered it. Buddha is looked up to and as you said, his followers elevated him to the level of diety. Also, they are an organized religion, and most....if not all believe in some sort of life after death.

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09-07-2005, 05:14 AM

Originally posted by Holiday@Sep 6 2005, 10:38 PM
Buddha is looked up to and as you said, his followers elevated him to the level of diety.
They elevated him to that level, but that doesn't necessarily mean he is, as he lacks the general characteristics of a god.

That is, omniscience, the power to enforce the rules of said religion, etc.

Buddha is a person who is looked up to as a god, but doesn't necessarily mean that he is. In reality he is only a person who created a way of life. He is not creator of all living things, just someone who tried to make sense of it all.

Holiday

09-07-2005, 06:16 AM

Originally posted by Minus Xero+Sep 6 2005, 10:14 PM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (Minus Xero @ Sep 6 2005, 10:14 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> <!--QuoteBegin--Holiday@Sep 6 2005, 10:38 PM
Buddha is looked up to and as you said, his followers elevated him to the level of diety.
They elevated him to that level, but that doesn't necessarily mean he is, as he lacks the general characteristics of a god.

That is, omniscience, the power to enforce the rules of said religion, etc.

Buddha is a person who is looked up to as a god, but doesn't necessarily mean that he is. In reality he is only a person who created a way of life. He is not creator of all living things, just someone who tried to make sense of it all. [/b][/quote]
He is being followed by millions. He is the name-sake of a religion. He is either a god or a demigod, but he is a diety in a way. Also, Buddha had his own beliefs in life after death that millions of people adopted.

...and look at Greek gods-all of them were not creators of things, they mearly looked after things.

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09-07-2005, 06:25 AM

Originally posted by Holiday@Sep 7 2005, 12:16 AM
He is being followed by millions. He is the name-sake of a religion. He is either a god or a demigod, but he is a diety in a way. Also, Buddha had his own beliefs in life after death that millions of people adopted.

...and look at Greek gods-all of them were not creators of things, they mearly looked after things.
Greek Gods had powers. They oversaw life and it's intricate paths and influenced them.

Buddha did not have any powers. He does not have any powers. He just started a way of life.

Marxism is a way of life, and is also named after somebody. He is followed by many, does that make him a God?

Holiday

09-07-2005, 07:00 AM

Originally posted by Minus Xero@Sep 6 2005, 11:25 PM
Greek Gods had powers. They oversaw life and it's intricate paths and influenced them.

Buddha did not have any powers. He does not have any powers. He just started a way of life.

Marxism is a way of life, and is also named after somebody. He is followed by many, does that make him a God?
So....by your explination Jesus was not really a god...He was just a person, there is no real proof that he did any miracles. People are telling these stories...and what these people say has everything to do with what everyone believes. He is who millions upon millions of people pray to and ask to guid thier lives. He has incredible power over people's lives.

People have just as much power as gods...people are why gods have power in the first place. Without the belief, there isn't the god. The more people that believe, the more power the belief has. Imagine if Marxism reached the point of Christianity; he would then be a god. Who knows what people would be saying about him if his words had all that power? Gods are what people make them into.

Buddha has millions of people who follow, pray and look up to him for advice, teachings or infuence. How can you really say that isn't equal to a god? How many people or beliefs have more influence?

Will

09-07-2005, 03:14 PM

Jesus wasn't a God. He was just some guy the Bible immortalized.

Omar A

09-07-2005, 03:37 PM

Jesus is a prophet send from God just like Moses and Mohammed.

Holiday

09-07-2005, 07:25 PM

yeah, yeah i know. i suppose my point is a little convoluted. but "god" doesn't really have anything to do with what i was trying to say about life after death....i was mearly pointing out that this god-type belief or being a member of an organized religion normally goes along with believing in life after death....but the statistics showed otherwise (at least on this board).

also, in my opinion, gods and life after death and all this hope and belief was made up by people becuase they were afraid of what they did not know and did not understand.

oh, and there are many many many many different beliefs behind Jesus. Some people believe that he was God in a physical form to really discover what life...real life, not being up in heaven, was like. There is some science behind things, but a lot, if not most, is a matter of opinion and what you've been taught to believe.