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Ander
07-15-2005, 08:42 PM
http://www.freep.com/entertainment/music/e...5e_20050715.htm (http://www.freep.com/entertainment/music/encore15e_20050715.htm)

On Eminem's new summer tour, a tense video storyline is woven through the Detroit rapper's show. Following a montage of visuals encapsulating his vast celebrity -- magazine covers, TV footage, limos, crowds -- the star is seen alone backstage, aiming a loaded pistol at his image in a mirror before turning it toward himself.

The climax is abrupt: With the gun to his temple, Eminem pulls the trigger. The screen goes black.

When the dressing room eventually fades back into view, the audience sees that the rapper sits unharmed; the gun has misfired. Eminem looks into the camera.

"This is how you go out with a bang, baby!"

At a casual glance, it might come off like the latest shock attack in a career defined by controversy. But dig a bit deeper and you'll come upon a revelation even more startling, one that has been known only to the artist's closest friends and associates.

Marshall Mathers is ready to get rid of Eminem.

Here's what it could mean, say those close to the rapper: When he steps off the stage Sept. 17 in Dublin, Ireland, he will have made his final concert appearance. "Encore," his slyly titled 2004 release, will stand as the final Eminem album. The reign of Eminem, and his alter ego Slim Shady, will have been voluntarily vanquished.

It wouldn't be a mere name game, in the hip-hop fashion that let Puff Daddy become P. Diddy, or the fanciful indulgence of a superstar toying with personas, like Prince. Nor would it be some gimmicky farewell stunt, say hometown friends and professional associates, many of whom asked not to be named in this story, citing sensitivity about the issue deep within Eminem's record label and management camps.

What it would represent, say those friends, is a dramatic life shift for a celebrity grown weary of public commotion -- and an artist who feels trapped by musical expectations.

"Em has definitely gotten to the level where he feels like he's accomplished everything he can accomplish in rap," said rapper Proof, Mathers' right-hand man onstage. "He wants to kick back and get into the producing thing."

Detroit producer Jeff Bass, who won an Academy Award for cowriting Eminem's "Lose Yourself," said while he won't rule out the possibility of further solo albums from Mathers, "the Eminem part of his career isn't going to be at the forefront anymore."

If Mathers is truly set to shake things up, exactly where he goes from here is unclear. He's not doing interviews this summer, and his spokesman at Interscope Records in Los Angeles declined to comment. Manager Paul Rosenberg said there's been "no official decision" about the future. But he acknowledged that some kind of recalibration is likely, adding that Eminem's latest multiplatinum record is "certainly the cap on this part of his career."

Others by his side, from business partners to fellow rappers in D12, say Mathers is ready to embark on a path like that of mentor Dr. Dre, who upon reaching his 30s eased away from the microphone for a successful career as a producer and star-maker.

Such a move by Mathers would shake the tectonic plates of pop culture. At 33, he is now the best-selling hip-hop artist in history and is, by many standards, the globe's biggest music star.

If this is indeed a final bow, Eminem will join a special society of pop icons: the ones who went out on a high note. It's a small and exclusive membership that includes the Beatles, Sam Cooke, Led Zeppelin and Nirvana -- artists who, by choice or fate, quit while they were ahead. They're the ones who left stories with clear beginnings and ends and legacies that never risked getting spoiled.

"Why not bow out while you're on top?" said Proof, speaking last Friday inside his tour bus at Germain Amphitheater in Columbus, Ohio, second stop on the Anger Management Tour 3.

"Marshall is very smart about this stuff," said another musical partner. "He knows the danger of being at this level, where there's nowhere to go but down."

Within the star's tightly insulated Detroit circle -- a small group of long-trusted friends and collaborators -- the signals began to emerge during sessions for his latest record. This was it, he told them. The last album, the last tour, the last sprint through the thicket of public hysteria.

"We didn't go into this for the celebrity thing. We were never looking for that," said Mark Bass, brother of Jeff Bass. Mathers is signed to their production company, 8 Mile Style, which landed the rapper's deal with Interscope.

"As much as he caters to his fans, this has always been about putting food on the table," Mark Bass said. "And he knows the right thing to do to make sure that happens. If that's moving into producing 50 Cent and the other new artists he's handling, then that's what it is. He's a smart guy. He knows what he's doing."

In November, Eminem unveiled his mind-set for everybody -- and nobody caught on. His new album was titled "Encore," complete with a cover photo that showed him taking a bow. For his fourth release since his 1999 breakout, Eminem had chosen to announce the end of the show.

"I was actually pretty shocked when no one picked up on the concept," said manager Rosenberg.

Maybe the audience was still too noisy to notice. "Encore," his first solo effort in more than two years, was the most anticipated album of the season, generating wall-to-wall hype on its way to the obligatory critical kudos and No. 1 debut. Eight months later, sales are nearing 5 million.

The new concert video, with its metaphoric killing of Eminem, merely extends a concept already sketched by Mathers.

Buried in the "Encore" album notes is a line that reads, "To my fans ... I'm sorry," adjacent to an image of a bullet. On the album-ending "Encore/Curtains Down," he delivers his closing stanza accompanied by the sound of gunfire: "Ladies and gentlemen, thank you all for coming out -- peace! / Oh ... I almost forgot / You're comin' with me / Ha ha! Bye bye!"

As "Encore" promotional plans were mapped out, sources say, worried advisers convinced the rapper to leave it at that, to resist further tip-offs that "Encore" was the end: Why chain himself to a pledge he might not want to keep?

Any fears would be understandable. Even in an industry often accused of nearsightedness, the short-term publicity bang of a retirement announcement wouldn't trump the loss of the decade's biggest seller. Since 1999, Eminem has sold more than $1 billion worth of records. So much was on the line for so many, from the global executives at Universal Music to Mathers' local team of writing partners. Though Mathers remains under contract to Interscope, he can't be forced to deliver another record, based on music industry precedent established by California courts.

Extensive discussions did precede the album's release, said Rosenberg, but the decision to withhold a farewell announcement was driven by Mathers himself.

"He didn't want to seem like one of those guys who's playing a trick on his fans, or playing with their heads," said Rosenberg, pointing to the on-again-off-again retirement of hip-hop star Jay-Z. "It's part of the same struggle he goes through in his music -- 'How much of my inner thinking should I be putting out there?' "

But if this really is it, why now?

Friends say several factors have converged to create the transformative moment: a growing weariness with the media spotlight, a related drive for solitude and family time, and a savvy recognition of the links between credibility, age and the limited shelf lives that come with pop stardom. But musical motivations top the list.

Over time, Eminem's own songs have alluded to his frustration at feeling creatively cornered by public expectations. You don't need a decoder ring to get the message: "I've created a monster / 'Cause nobody wants to see Marshall no more," he rapped on the chart-topping 2002 hit "Without Me." "They want Shady / I'm chopped liver."

"Marshall feels like he's said everything he can say as Eminem," noted one insider. "The idea that he intended this to be his last record is something that everyone on the inside circle has known for a while."

"At this point," said Mark Bass, "he's a producer."

Mathers will likely devote increased time to "guest appearances and working on other people's stuff," said Jeff Bass. "The songs I've been writing with him are being placed on other artists' albums now."

2002 was a career peak for Eminem. Three top-10 albums. Box office success and critical acclaim for the film "8 Mile." A subsequent Oscar for the song "Lose Yourself," which spent three months at No. 1. Behind the scenes, he was taking increasing command of his own production work while beefing up his Shady Records roster of artists, including soon-to-be sensation 50 Cent.

Even amid the whirlwind of '02, Mathers rarely spoke with the media. But in an interview that December with the Free Press, he hinted at a day when his rapping appetite might wane.

"When it does for me, as far as rap goes, as far as being the front man, I'll still be doing music," he said. "Which is why I'm trying to build my clientele, so to speak, and producing. People have a hard time recognizing that, looking past the fact that I'm a rapper."

Summer 2005 was already shaping up as a crucial moment in the Eminem story, a time of transition for both his career and the broader pop-culture realm where it operates.

Few pop artists hold on long to the double aces of creative vitality and commercial clout. It's just not the nature of the pop-music deal, which rarely delivers that winning hand in the first place -- let alone allows it to be played several times in a row.

Eminem has now been front and center of American culture for nearly seven years. The Beatles were there for six.

That he's pulled off such a feat within this era, within the realm of rap, makes the dynasty that much more remarkable. Both the 2000s and hip-hop favor the chew-'em-up, spit-'em-out mentality. Together, they're nearly lethal to longevity.

"The public is certainly fickle," said Howard Hertz, the rapper's Bloomfield Hills attorney. "But when you've got an artist with such enormous talent, it tends to rise above the crowd in terms of staying power."

For a figure who remains perched atop the music world, Mathers has kept a startlingly low profile these past three years. No U.S. tour, one solo album, few forays into the big-media spotlight. In an age of surplus celebrity, prone to information overdose, Mathers and his advisers have approached the game carefully, cautiously. They've played it Prince and Bob Dylan style: Seclusion feeds the mystique that feeds the public demand.

Even when Eminem seemed everywhere, he was rarely anywhere outside his familiar daily orbit -- namely, his Oakland Township manor and the Ferndale studio where he records much of his work.

Since a pair of gun incidents in 2000 that led to probation -- and accompanying drug testing -- Mathers has reshaped his personal life, toning down his wild side while toning up in the gym. In recent years, he has largely managed to avoid tabloid headlines, which have been left to focus on the perpetual legal troubles of his ex-wife, Kim Mathers. In stark contrast to fellow Detroit star Kid Rock, who also hit big in 1999, Mathers is the bane of gossip writers across the land, conspicuously avoiding the late-night, out-on-the-town scene.

It's an interesting study in restraint for a guy who made his name with a loud mouth. Of course, when you're as big as Eminem, the physics of fame works both ways, and public demand also can force seclusion. When the world grabs at every piece of you, saving some for yourself can take hard work.

On the evening of Detroit's fireworks last month, Eminem made a rare appearance to perform a song at a downtown rooftop party. His brisk entrance and departure were waged with presidential precision. Staffers snapped crisp orders over headsets; bodyguards jammed into tight formation; a Department of Homeland Security dog team sniffed for bombs. And that was just in an otherwise deserted parking-garage stairwell.

On his way out of the party, a crowd surged toward him, armed on an autograph mission. One lanky teenager was among the lucky few to get a CD signed as Eminem stopped briefly to indulge the group. The scrawled name wasn't enough; the young man had found his opening.

"I had to meet you, man," he hollered desperately, hands still stabbing forward for a touch. "I've been waiting to meet you, man. I had to meet you!"

Eminem nodded vaguely as his security staff prodded the rapper toward the exit. Five years after discovering that he could start alone at one end of a shopping mall and wind up surrounded by 500 people when he got to the other, Mathers still seems uncertain how to handle the crush of attention, so much of it intensely personal.

His 1999 debut, recorded when he was a virtual unknown, was packed with standard hip-hop bluster about dominating the world. Just 15 months later, "The Marshall Mathers LP" found him wrestling with the reality of explosive celebrity. On the song "Stan," he tackled it head-on, condensing the complexities of fame, the blurring of private and public life, into a narrative about an overzealous fan.

It was the first big sign that Mathers wasn't going to let the public snatch him up and have its way with his psyche. While insiders say he relished the popularity, which served as a figurative middle finger to any former doubters, he also developed a kind of bunker mentality, seeking sanctuary as he retreated from the celebrity circus.

Rosenberg concedes that some fans have been frustrated by Mathers' detachment, an isolation that is aided by one of the most unyielding media policies in modern entertainment. But the manager defends the choices, pointing out that Mathers has already revealed more than most public figures, via his emotionally raw music.

"In a sense, he feels like, 'Hey, I'm giving y'all enough already,' " said Rosenberg, a Detroit native now based in Manhattan. "There's a strong dichotomy between what he puts on the table with his private life through his art, and what he wants people to see in public. He exposes exactly what he wants to expose. Everything else, as far as he's concerned, is private."

Central to that quest, said Mark Bass, was simply remaining in the Detroit area, deliberately avoiding the frantic entertainment centers on the coasts.

"If we'd stayed out in Los Angeles, this would all have happened a lot quicker. He might be gone already," said Bass. "I really think the best thing is that he stayed here -- that he stayed home."

Privacy has been a growing priority for the rapper, who reunited late last year with his ex-wife. Friends say he is now happiest at home, where the couple tend to their 9-year-old daughter Hailie, Mathers' 12-year-old niece Alaina and 2-year-old Whitney, Kim Mathers' daughter by another man.

Mathers has come to dislike travel, and though his breezy demeanor at last week's Columbus concert was perhaps the loosest he's ever appeared onstage, he had to be cajoled into tackling this tour, scheduled to complete its U.S. leg Aug. 12 at Comerica Park.

But looming over all else, say some on the inside, is a fear that Eminem could be musically spent. The making of "Encore" proved particularly tough, as Mathers searched for new ways to cover the stock Eminem repertoire: feuding with Kim, battling the establishment, cleaning out his family's emotional closet -- all the familiar fare that has defined his public character.

"This was a very difficult record for him to make," said a source in Detroit. "Marshall really struggles to write for himself now, to speak through the voice of Eminem. He knows as well as anybody that there comes a point where you risk beating this thing to death."

There's an old cliche in the music biz: You've got your entire life to write your first record; after that, you're at the mercy of the annual cycle. If you're among those who score riches and fame, you may find yourself straining to stay connected to an audience whose world you no longer inhabit.

Some artists try to confront the dilemma with stylistic twists and turns, a craft mastered by Madonna, another Detroit-bred star. Most, though, just plow ahead, resigned to steadily dwindling relevance.

What's rare is quitting before the erosion gets a chance to kick in. It requires a distinct kind of foresight, the kind that might belong to someone with an acute self-awareness -- the kind that might be second nature to someone who spent his formative years as a white outsider seeking legitimacy in a black cultural form.

"Marshall isn't young anymore," said a staffer with Mathers' hometown operation. "Throughout these six years, he's always stayed one step ahead. Now it's knowing that he's at an age where teenagers might be ready to move on to something else."

No matter how it goes down, no matter what the rationale, fans are likely to be blindsided if 2005 is the last call for Eminem.

In Columbus late Friday night, concertgoers streamed out of the amphitheater buzzing about the Eminem set they'd just seen, a spectacle featuring some of the highest production values to hit a hip-hop stage. Against a three-story backdrop layered with balconies and intricate lights, Em and Proof delivered 90 minutes of music punctuated by confetti showers and pyrotechnic flash.

But if anyone had picked up on the night's underlying angle -- Eminem's potential career finale -- it wasn't obvious.

Greg Thomas, 24, had made the trip from Ann Arbor, the work of a die-hard fan with a $90 seat down front. He had watched the onstage video and heard the "Encore" songs. But he hadn't connected the dots. The notion that this could be it, the end, left him in disbelief.

"That would be horrible," he said. "Eminem is the one who unites everybody. Look around you here. He brings together white, black, Puerto Rican, Filipino, everybody. If he were to give it up now, who would take over?"

Fans will always have their CDs. Around Detroit, though, an Eminem exile would directly alter the lives of those who have been part of the ride, enjoying everything from steady work to million-dollar paydays.

The members of D12, rappers who played barren Detroit dives with Eminem long before they accompanied him in sold-out arenas, have already begun preparing for the shift -- founding their own companies, taking on outside production work, recording solo albums and scheduling solo tours.

Backstage in Columbus, Proof reflected on the past as he looked ahead to a future that might find Mathers "doing some raps now and then."

"He's been like a gift and a curse at the same time," said Proof, who on Aug. 9 will release "Searching for Jerry Garcia," the debut album for his new Iron Fist Records. "He's the biggest rap artist of all time, so he overshadows everything -- not just me personally, but all of hip-hop. Now I've got a chance to get my label really cranking."

It was an affectionate comment, echoing the sentiments of many in the Shady sphere. Whatever the personal impact of an Eminem fadeout, those closest to Marshall Mathers say they would marvel in respect, admiring what could be the brashest move of all by a friend who has long pushed the envelope.

"I would envy him for it," said producer Mark Bass. "Who knows if he'll make another album. But he's worked hard -- he's been at the top because he's worked hard. If he makes a break, he deserves to get a break."

Old news if you saw him be interviewed on Fuse a few mu

Scotty
07-15-2005, 09:03 PM
In terms of rapping he's been on a downward spiral since the Marshall Mathers LP. Encore was just about decent.

Doctor Manhattan
07-15-2005, 11:24 PM
Originally posted by Dean@Jul 15 2005, 03:03 PM
In terms of rapping he's been on a downward spiral since the Marshall Mathers LP. Encore was just about decent.
"The Eminem Show" wasn't nearly as bad as everyone makes it out to be.

Luke/Hellflame
07-15-2005, 11:32 PM
Damn,he's my favorite rapper aswell...

All his albums are good,the last 2 aren't as good as the rest but they're still fucking good.

越南
07-15-2005, 11:41 PM
it was over ever since he joined D12.. IMO he was making horrible music then

Doctor Manhattan
07-15-2005, 11:47 PM
Originally posted by DJHahn@Jul 15 2005, 05:41 PM
it was over ever since he joined D12.. IMO he was making horrible music then
Dude, Eminem has been with D12 since like 1995.

Ander
07-15-2005, 11:59 PM
Originally posted by Vismund Cygnus+Jul 15 2005, 02:47 PM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (Vismund Cygnus @ Jul 15 2005, 02:47 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> <!--QuoteBegin--DJHahn@Jul 15 2005, 05:41 PM
it was over ever since he joined D12.. IMO he was making horrible music then
Dude, Eminem has been with D12 since like 1995. [/b][/quote]
If he doesn't like Eminem at all, this would be kinda clever sarcasm.

If not he got served.

Link
07-16-2005, 12:01 AM
Fuck this. That sucks.

Scarlet
07-16-2005, 02:41 AM
Wait... so what this is saying is that Eminem is retiring after his current tour is over? :o (I just skimmed the article.)

Well, if it's true.... that sucks. He's like the only rapper I like. He has done a lot since he came out though and I think he deserves a rest. I think it's good he''ll still continue producing.

I don't think his current release did as good as the other albums. It would have been cool to like retire after releasing something really good. So people would have something good to remember him by.

Minus Xero
07-16-2005, 03:35 AM
I hope he either a) he improves his producing or B ) he doesn't at all, because I'm sorry to say the beats he produce are lame.

Man though... the end of an era.

Gluez
07-16-2005, 03:51 AM
He's my favourite rapper all time, man. He's a great rapper too. But now he's gone. :(

Sylar
07-16-2005, 04:40 AM
This is so disheartening about Eminem. I really loved his music.

On a side note: Fuck Yes. Proof's Album is coming out on August 9th.

arT saveS
07-16-2005, 06:43 AM
I don't really like his music all that much, though some of its ok. But my opinion about him is different, I respect him as a person. His music will still be there for everyone to hear, and he's still going to be around, whether he's rapping or not, so why is everyone saying this is an end to him and his music?

Louis
07-16-2005, 06:55 AM
I'm not extremely upset about this happening. I mean, I have all of his albums (because my friend felt like burning them for me), but I don't really like his music. His first two albums were good, The Eminem Show was okay and so was Encore.

But I mean, he's not literally disappearing. As many of you say, he's not "gone". He's going into producing. You'll see him on many discs saying, "Produced by Marshall Mathers" and he'll get attention for it. He's not "gone". That's a word you say when someone passes away. Is Marshall Mathers dead? No.

Of course, the pity is that he's killing his pseudonyms, which are known World-Wide, but no matter what, he's still Slim Shady and Eminem to us.

Guys...this isn't the end of the world. That's all I'm saying.

Doctor Manhattan
07-16-2005, 07:12 AM
His musical career is gone. He won't be making music. He'll just be producing.

Big difference.

Ryan
07-16-2005, 07:38 AM
Ah whatever Jay-Z is the best rapper alive anyways, this isn't a big loss to the rap industry. Maybe rap will return to rap instead of that poppy shit that everyone is attracted to.

Cale.
07-16-2005, 08:12 AM
I'm sad to see him go. (w00t)

Doctor Manhattan
07-16-2005, 08:15 AM
Originally posted by Ryan@Jul 16 2005, 01:38 AM
Ah whatever Jay-Z is the best rapper alive anyways
Maybe rap will return to rap instead of that poppy shit that everyone is attracted to.

lol

Paul
07-16-2005, 08:22 AM
Originally posted by Ryan@Jul 16 2005, 06:38 AM
Ah whatever Nas is the best rapper alive anyways
Fixed it for you. :)

I'm kinda dissapointed. "Encore" is not good enough for a last album. I hope he makes one more record which goes back to his Marshall Mathers LP roots.

He sucks as a producer.

Sylar
07-16-2005, 04:06 PM
Originally posted by Ryan@Jul 16 2005, 02:38 AM
Ah whatever Jay-Z is the best rapper alive anyways, this isn't a big loss to the rap industry. Maybe rap will return to rap instead of that poppy shit that everyone is attracted to.
We still have 50 Cent :rolleyes:

Andrea
07-16-2005, 05:32 PM
I'll miss Eminem. <3

Debus
07-16-2005, 05:40 PM
Well this sucks! The only decent rapper but then again he has gone reallt downhill since The Eminem Show. He's turned into all the usual crap that's getting churned out.

User Name
07-16-2005, 08:16 PM
Originally posted by BuriedxTragedy+Jul 16 2005, 08:06 AM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (BuriedxTragedy @ Jul 16 2005, 08:06 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> <!--QuoteBegin--Ryan@Jul 16 2005, 02:38 AM
Ah whatever Jay-Z is the best rapper alive anyways, this isn't a big loss to the rap industry. Maybe rap will return to rap instead of that poppy shit that everyone is attracted to.
We still have 50 Cent :rolleyes: [/b][/quote]
Fuck Fiddy! :lol:

bennylp
07-16-2005, 09:11 PM
ah, hoo cares, i don't, i hav my 3 fav bands. lp, gc, and yc

linkin park
good charlotte
yellowcard

Todd
07-16-2005, 09:13 PM
Originally posted by bennylp@Jul 16 2005, 03:11 PM
ah, hoo cares, i don't, i hav my 3 fav bands. lp, gc, and yc

linkin park
good charlotte
yellowcard
Well apparentley a lot of people care and learn to spell words correctly :rolleyes:

NickelNine
07-16-2005, 09:54 PM
Originally posted by Paul+Jul 16 2005, 01:22 AM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (Paul @ Jul 16 2005, 01:22 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> <!--QuoteBegin--Ryan@Jul 16 2005, 06:38 AM
Ah whatever Nas is the best rapper alive anyways
Fixed it for you. :)

I'm kinda dissapointed. "Encore" is not good enough for a last album. I hope he makes one more record which goes back to his Marshall Mathers LP roots.

He sucks as a producer. [/b][/quote]
i agree with everything said here.

Scarlet
07-16-2005, 10:08 PM
Originally posted by Ryan@Jul 16 2005, 01:38 AM
Ah whatever Jay-Z is the best rapper alive anyways, this isn't a big loss to the rap industry. Maybe rap will return to rap instead of that poppy shit that everyone is attracted to.
Jay-Z may be a better rapper but I'd rather listen to Eminem over Jay-Z anytime. :P // Anyway, I'm not into the whole rap thing. I only like Jay-Z for one thing... and that's Linkin Park. :rolleyes:

eXess7
07-16-2005, 10:08 PM
Originally posted by Minus Xero@Jul 15 2005, 07:35 PM
I hope he either a) he improves his producing or B ) he doesn't at all, because I'm sorry to say the beats he produce are lame.
He's an excellent producer. You're telling me you didn't like the beats in any of these...

Lose Yourself - Eminem
Till I Collapse - Eminem
Moment Of Clarity - Jay-Z
Renegade - Jay-Z
Warrior Part 2 - Lloyd Banks
Patiently Waiting - 50 Cent
Don't Push Me - 50 Cent
Go To Sleep - DMX

There's so many more too. Have you forgotten "Lose Yourself" won him an Academy Award? Pretty sure they wouldn't have given it to him if the beat was lame. I'm forced to assume you are in the minority if you believe his beats are "lame". ^_^

As for Vismund Cygnus
His musical career is gone. He won't be making music. He'll just be producing.

Big difference.
Look up what producers do in the rap industry. It is different than the actual rapping, however, saying "He won't be making music" is just plain incorrect. :lol:

It is too bad though that he is leaving rap; we're losing a legend.

Paul
07-16-2005, 10:24 PM
Originally posted by eXess7@Jul 16 2005, 09:08 PM
Lose Yourself - Eminem
Till I Collapse - Eminem
Moment Of Clarity - Jay-Z
Renegade - Jay-Z
Warrior Part 2 - Lloyd Banks
Patiently Waiting - 50 Cent
Don't Push Me - 50 Cent
Go To Sleep - DMX


The only unique beat on that list in "Warrior Pt. 2" All the other beats sound the same in some content.

"Moment Of Clarity" sounds like "Patiently Waiting" 50 Cent's "Gatman and Robbin' sounds EXACTLY like Tony Yayo's "Drama Setter"

Doctor Manhattan
07-16-2005, 10:47 PM
Originally posted by eXess7@Jul 16 2005, 04:08 PM
As for Vismund Cygnus
His musical career is gone. He won't be making music. He'll just be producing.

Big difference.
Look up what producers do in the rap industry. It is different than the actual rapping, however, saying "He won't be making music" is just plain incorrect. :lol:
So he'll be rapping on his own songs, and putting out CDs under the name Eminem?

Okay.

eXess7
07-16-2005, 10:56 PM
Originally posted by Vismund Cygnus+Jul 16 2005, 02:47 PM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (Vismund Cygnus @ Jul 16 2005, 02:47 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> <!--QuoteBegin--eXess7@Jul 16 2005, 04:08 PM
As for Vismund Cygnus
His musical career is gone. He won't be making music. He'll just be producing.

Big difference.
Look up what producers do in the rap industry. It is different than the actual rapping, however, saying "He won't be making music" is just plain incorrect. :lol:
So he'll be rapping on his own songs, and putting out CDs under the name Eminem?

Okay. [/b][/quote]
Haha, calm down. You said "He won't be making music" and all I'm saying is he will. You said nothing in that post about his own songs or CDs under his name originally. I do like the sarcasm use though.

Your board warrior skills are probably much greater than mine so I'll bow out of this now. I've gotten into trouble in the past when dealing with frequent posters here, therefore, your 10k+ posts win you this disagreement.

Okay. :D

Doctor Manhattan
07-16-2005, 11:10 PM
About time my post count got me something.

越南
07-16-2005, 11:56 PM
Originally posted by Vismund Cygnus+Jul 15 2005, 10:47 PM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (Vismund Cygnus @ Jul 15 2005, 10:47 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> <!--QuoteBegin--DJHahn@Jul 15 2005, 05:41 PM
it was over ever since he joined D12.. IMO he was making horrible music then
Dude, Eminem has been with D12 since like 1995. [/b][/quote]
well since he "got back with d12" then i guess..
im not really that big of a fan.

Doctor Manhattan
07-17-2005, 12:03 AM
He never left D12. What the hell are you talking about?

越南
07-17-2005, 12:52 AM
Originally posted by Vismund Cygnus@Jul 16 2005, 11:03 PM
He never left D12. What the hell are you talking about?
i thought they split up for a while? i swear i heard that somewhere..

Doctor Manhattan
07-17-2005, 12:53 AM
No. They've always been together to my knowledge. They're more of a support group than an actual group, like G-Unit or D-Block.

Ander
07-17-2005, 05:38 AM
D12 is were their own group before Bugz died and Eminem decided join. He ran with them and rapped with them at shows and stuff but he wasnt really a part of the group until Bugz got shot.

Pinkin Lark
07-17-2005, 11:52 AM
Well considering that Jay-Z might make a 'comeback', I can see Eminem doing the same. Its not the last you'll hear Marshall Mathers rap again.

Bexyboo
07-17-2005, 12:28 PM
I'm not too bothered. Some of his older stuff is awesome, but his new album is just a joke. I think he's making the right decision, if that is the musical route he would otherwise be taking.

LP4ever
07-17-2005, 02:44 PM
well.. to be honest, i don't like his idea of quitting the show biz, it's not a good idea for him to do so

btw, i don't think he will completely retire, he will do something like jay-z, still sings on other artists' albums..

Tom
07-18-2005, 11:18 AM
i liked eminem to a certain point after that well :wth:

Matt
07-19-2005, 07:14 PM
I was just watching MTV News, and they said that Eminem's record label said the rumors about him retiring are false... :mellow: I dunno...




So, if I'm wrong, shoot MTV, not me.

maverik68
07-19-2005, 07:21 PM
Damn, Eminem gone.... mabye.. but damn, He was my favoirt rapper(Dont kill me for saying that).

Sylar
07-19-2005, 07:29 PM
Originally posted by Matt@Jul 19 2005, 02:14 PM
I was just watching MTV News, and they said that Eminem's record label said the rumors about him retiring are false... :mellow: I dunno...




So, if I'm wrong, shoot MTV, not me.
I hope to god you're right.

NickelNine
07-19-2005, 07:46 PM
Originally posted by BuriedxTragedy+Jul 19 2005, 12:29 PM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (BuriedxTragedy @ Jul 19 2005, 12:29 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> <!--QuoteBegin--Matt@Jul 19 2005, 02:14 PM
I was just watching MTV News, and they said that Eminem's record label said the rumors about him retiring are false... :mellow: I dunno...




So, if I'm wrong, shoot MTV, not me.
I hope to god you're right. [/b][/quote]
i also saw this on MTV news yesterday and they said it again today on TRL.. my sister was watching and i heard it..

CloserToCrawling
07-19-2005, 11:01 PM
Eminem's not retiring. At a recent concert, he told everyone that the retirement rumors were false. He joked about it, saying that he reads the tabloids too, and he said he saw his retirement rumor next to a rumor about the moon blowing up one day. Hence, his withdrawal from the music business is false. He then continued from this into his next song, "Rainman" at the concert.

Here is a link to the D12 boards, and a person who attended the said concert wrote:

D12 Boards (http://www.d12world.com/board/showthread.php?t=229488)

Disclaimer: The D12 boards contains a whole lot of cursing.

forgottenlp52
07-20-2005, 12:44 AM
Thank god its not true

*whipes sweat from head.*

Sylar
07-20-2005, 02:37 AM
Alright! (w00t)

NickelNine
07-20-2005, 03:02 AM
"Eminem Retirement Rumor Is False"

Teenies across the world rejoice after the rumor was proven wrong. Many celebrated by listening to their favorite Eminem shitty-ass, trl pop songs that include "My Name Is", "The Real Slim Shady", "Without Me", "Just Lose It", and "Ass Like That".

On a side note: I'd like Eminem if he cut out all that Mickey Mouse, kiddy crap out of his albums and made a real album without the bullshit.

EDIT: I did forget about "Without Me." Partially because it's a clone of the Real Slim Shady.

Ander
07-20-2005, 04:05 AM
Without Me is the best TRL teenie pop song because everyone forgets to put that one on their "Eminem sucks" lists unless they say "lol i fuckn hate all his songz".