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May 95% of Canadians, 5% of Americans, and 0% of Europeans rejoice!
After 301 days and a lost season, the National Hockey League owners and their players union have finally come to an agreement on a new Collective Bargaining Agreement. Terms of the new CBA include;
-- Salary cap with a range between $21 million to $39 million per team, including all player costs (benefits, insurance, etc).
-- A 24% player salary rollback from contracts with time still left on them. Contracts from the lost season will not be honoured.
-- Liberalized free agency, a more restricted entry level system, revamped salary arbitration, improved benefits and revenue-sharing.
-- Age eligibility for unrestricted free agency at age 31 in 2005, 29 in 2006, 28 in 2007, 27 (or 7 years service) in 2008.
-- Participation in the 2006 Turin Olympics.
In addition, new rule changes are set to go into effect once the league resurfaces in October. Speculation suggests tag-up offsides, no touch icing, smaller goalie pads, bigger nets, fatter blue lines, goal lines moved back, and more. The rules will open the game up more, allowing for more goals and excitement. I'm optimistic about it all.
Finally, now we have hockey this year. It was a tough off-season for me, and I'm very glad to have it back.
For all NHL/NHLPA CBA news and features, visit TSN.ca (http://www.tsn.ca).
Andrea
07-13-2005, 08:41 PM
FINALLY! (w00t)
-throws confetti-
hmmm....new rule changes. I can't wait to see how that turns out. I am glad hockey is back. <3
Sylar
07-13-2005, 08:42 PM
I think the pay cap is going to highly affect the Red Wings, for some reason.
I mean, I'm pretty sure we had a few players that got paid more than the new salary cap.
EDIT: I'm also highly excited about hockey being back. :D
Originally posted by BuriedxTragedy@Jul 13 2005, 05:12 PM
I think the pay cap is going to highly affect the Red Wings, for some reason.
I mean, I'm pretty sure we had a few players that got paid more than the new salary cap.
EDIT: I'm also highly excited about hockey being back. :D
Oh definately. Teams like Toronto, Detroit, Philadelphia, New York Rangers, and Colorado are all going to have to do some major overhauls. It's going to be a crazy, crazy couple of weeks. Players getting bought out of their contracts, hundreds of free agents, the entry draft. It'll be very exciting.
Toronto have 9 players signed at $26 million. That's without signing Alex Mogilny, Gary Roberts, Joe Nieuwendyk, and Tie Domi. There's no way they're going to sign those players, and about 10 others for under $13 million. I think they're going to have to buy Ed Belfour (who's now 40) out of his contract, and trade away Owen Nolan for some younger picks.
What I'm most excited about is who's going to get the first pick in the entry draft so they can pick Sidney Crosby. What an amazing, amazing player. I can't wait to see what he can do.
The way the draft lottery is going to be played out is that every team gets three balls. Every time you make the playoffs in the last 3 seasons, or every time you have win the number one pick in the last 4 entry drafts, you lose a ball. You're guaranteed to have one ball, though. Buffalo, Pittsburgh, Columbus, and the New York Rangers have 3 balls. (Full list (http://www.tsn.ca/nhl/feature.asp?fid=7314)). I can see Sidney in Pittsburgh with Lemieux. How amazing that'd be to see those two playing together! Although it'd be most preferable if Toronto gets the pick. :lol:
Testament
07-13-2005, 09:13 PM
w00t.
When this mess is finally all fixed up, Winnipeg will get a team. I can sincerely promise that.
I'm still waiting, Gary.
@Mark-The Rangers will have to cut Two thirds of their fucking team. :lol:
Originally posted by Thanatos@Jul 13 2005, 05:43 PM
w00t.
When this mess is finally all fixed up, Winnipeg will get a team. I can sincerely promise that.
I'm still waiting, Gary.
@Mark-The Rangers will have to cut Two thirds of their fucking team. :lol:
Yeah. And they still can't make the playoffs! :lol:
Although it seems to have worked out in their favour with the draft picks.
Testament
07-13-2005, 09:16 PM
Originally posted by Mark+Jul 13 2005, 02:15 PM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (Mark @ Jul 13 2005, 02:15 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> <!--QuoteBegin--Thanatos@Jul 13 2005, 05:43 PM
w00t.
When this mess is finally all fixed up, Winnipeg will get a team. I can sincerely promise that.
I'm still waiting, Gary.
@Mark-The Rangers will have to cut Two thirds of their fucking team. :lol:
Yeah. And they still can't make the playoffs! :lol:
Although it seems to have worked out in their favour with the draft picks. [/b][/quote]
They'll practically have to bring up all of the Hartford Wolf Pack.
Sylar
07-13-2005, 09:22 PM
Originally posted by Mark+Jul 13 2005, 04:11 PM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (Mark @ Jul 13 2005, 04:11 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> <!--QuoteBegin--BuriedxTragedy@Jul 13 2005, 05:12 PM
I think the pay cap is going to highly affect the Red Wings, for some reason.
I mean, I'm pretty sure we had a few players that got paid more than the new salary cap.
EDIT: I'm also highly excited about hockey being back. :D .
The way the draft lottery is going to be played out is that every team gets three balls. Every time you make the playoffs in the last 3 seasons, or every time you have win the number one pick in the last 4 entry drafts, you lose a ball. You're guaranteed to have one ball, though. Buffalo, Pittsburgh, Columbus, and the New York Rangers have 3 balls. (Full list (http://www.tsn.ca/nhl/feature.asp?fid=7314)). I can see Sidney in Pittsburgh with Lemieux. How amazing that'd be to see those two playing together! Although it'd be most preferable if Toronto gets the pick. :lol: [/b][/quote]
Wow that is extremely confusing to me. :lol:
I secretly hoped that the lockout would last another season, We want our NHL players back home :(
Originally posted by Hana@Jul 13 2005, 05:56 PM
I secretly hoped that the lockout would last another season, We want our NHL players back home :(
Quit hogging them! :lol:
Originally posted by Mark+Jul 13 2005, 09:27 PM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (Mark @ Jul 13 2005, 09:27 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> <!--QuoteBegin--Hana@Jul 13 2005, 05:56 PM
I secretly hoped that the lockout would last another season, We want our NHL players back home :(
Quit hogging them! :lol: [/b][/quote]
No I won't! :lol:
I've been a huge NHL fan for the longest amount of time, but I don't know that I'm a fan of most of the changes. Some are good, but I'm not sure I'll enjoy the NHL -- this coming from a diehard fan.
Originally posted by Ant@Jul 13 2005, 07:09 PM
I've been a huge NHL fan for the longest amount of time, but I don't know that I'm a fan of most of the changes. Some are good, but I'm not sure I'll enjoy the NHL -- this coming from a diehard fan.
I'm incredibly excited about the tag-up offside rule.
Basically, for those of you who don't know, here's what tag-up is;
Any players inside the blueline before the puck gets thrown in must come back outside of the zone and re-enter for the play to continue. In this case, the only way an offside is called is if the puck is carried in while there are teammates inside the offensive zone blueline. Tag-up offsides allows plays to go along longer without annoying stoppages every 30 seconds. We play this way in houseleague and it's such an improvement over the usual offside.
I really hope they eliminate the red line to open the game up fully. Those long passes from inside the defensive zone to a player streaking up the center of the ice would make the game so much more exciting, and again, the plays would be longer with less stoppages.
I hope the goalies can be as well protected with the smaller equipment.
That's one of the new rules I like, actually. But I feel it's negated by no-touch icing... what the heck is up with that?
Originally posted by Mark@Jul 14 2005, 03:35 AM
I really hope they eliminate the red line to open the game up fully. Those long passes from inside the defensive zone to a player streaking up the center of the ice would make the game so much more exciting, and again, the plays would be longer with less stoppages.
The red line is going to be implemented in our league in the upcoming season <_<
Originally posted by Ant@Jul 14 2005, 02:00 AM
That's one of the new rules I like, actually. But I feel it's negated by no-touch icing... what the heck is up with that?
You're right. But I don't think it'll make that much of a difference as to negate the improvements the tag-up offside rule will bring.
I mean, 95% of icing calls are blown down anyways because the opposing team just gets for it first, but now it's 100%. The main reason they're taking it out is because players are getting thrown head-first or feet-first into the end boards while racing for the puck and are suffering career-threatening injuries. Even hockey traditionist Don Cherry has been labouring for this for years.
USAF.07
07-17-2005, 09:48 PM
Great news! I missed hockey so much, playing NHL 2005 on my ps2 wasn't quite a good substitute for the real thing on tv lol.
All of the rule changes sound good, I played goal for 7 years so the pad size changes initially sounded evil but given the scores in most of the games I can understand why...I think FIFA is outscoring the NHL now lol.
Go Wild!!!
Yah I'm really excited aobut this new agreement.
First of all this is going to bring a new life for the edmonton Oilers. Since they were a team that spent 32 million last season on players saleries with the 24% rollback in effect that should put them at just over 24 million in salery. This will allow them to spend some money and get a number one centre that they have always been seeking since the loss of Doug Weight. This number one centre will help them develop players like Hemsky and help Dvorak put up the numbers that he can put up.
Secondly, half those rule changes they have proposed are ridiculously dumb. They better not do anything with the nets for one. The key is to make the goalies equipment smaller. Tag up offsides will be good as the system they use right now is kinda stupid. They ahve the delayed system and half the time its delayed whne the puck goes in and the player is offside then when he clears they still end up calling an offside. No touch icing is dumb to i think, sure it can cause injuries but thats part of the game. Alot of times icing will get waved off and a play can happen out of it, or sometimes it will get beat out and a scoring chance can be created.
All in all I can't wait for the season to start. Oh yah I'm gonna laugh when Crosby is the first overall pick and he fold under the pressure and turns out to be another Daigle.
Originally posted by Ryan@Jul 17 2005, 07:31 PM
Yah I'm really excited aobut this new agreement.
First of all this is going to bring a new life for the edmonton Oilers. Since they were a team that spent 32 million last season on players saleries with the 24% rollback in effect that should put them at just over 24 million in salery. This will allow them to spend some money and get a number one centre that they have always been seeking since the loss of Doug Weight. This number one centre will help them develop players like Hemsky and help Dvorak put up the numbers that he can put up.
Secondly, half those rule changes they have proposed are ridiculously dumb. They better not do anything with the nets for one. The key is to make the goalies equipment smaller. Tag up offsides will be good as the system they use right now is kinda stupid. They ahve the delayed system and half the time its delayed whne the puck goes in and the player is offside then when he clears they still end up calling an offside. No touch icing is dumb to i think, sure it can cause injuries but thats part of the game. Alot of times icing will get waved off and a play can happen out of it, or sometimes it will get beat out and a scoring chance can be created.
All in all I can't wait for the season to start. Oh yah I'm gonna laugh when Crosby is the first overall pick and he fold under the pressure and turns out to be another Daigle.
I'm willing to put up $500 that that won't happen.
He's not meant to be league leader in scoring in his first season, but he will make an impact and he will score 25+ goals and be leader in scoring if injuries don't hurt him.
USAF.07: NHL 2004 > NHL 2005.
Originally posted by Mark+Jul 17 2005, 06:58 PM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (Mark @ Jul 17 2005, 06:58 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> <!--QuoteBegin--Ryan@Jul 17 2005, 07:31 PM
Yah I'm really excited aobut this new agreement.
First of all this is going to bring a new life for the edmonton Oilers. Since they were a team that spent 32 million last season on players saleries with the 24% rollback in effect that should put them at just over 24 million in salery. This will allow them to spend some money and get a number one centre that they have always been seeking since the loss of Doug Weight. This number one centre will help them develop players like Hemsky and help Dvorak put up the numbers that he can put up.
Secondly, half those rule changes they have proposed are ridiculously dumb. They better not do anything with the nets for one. The key is to make the goalies equipment smaller. Tag up offsides will be good as the system they use right now is kinda stupid. They ahve the delayed system and half the time its delayed whne the puck goes in and the player is offside then when he clears they still end up calling an offside. No touch icing is dumb to i think, sure it can cause injuries but thats part of the game. Alot of times icing will get waved off and a play can happen out of it, or sometimes it will get beat out and a scoring chance can be created.
All in all I can't wait for the season to start. Oh yah I'm gonna laugh when Crosby is the first overall pick and he fold under the pressure and turns out to be another Daigle.
I'm willing to put up $500 that that won't happen.
He's not meant to be league leader in scoring in his first season, but he will make an impact and he will score 25+ goals and be leader in scoring if injuries don't hurt him.
USAF.07: NHL 2004 > NHL 2005. [/b][/quote]
Yah I know that it probably won't happen but it has happened before. But yah if all goes well he should be cocered into the NHL like Joe Thornton or Vincent Lecalier did. He's not expected to put up huge numbers in his first season or two but gradually he will adjust and get used to the style of game and will be a top guy in a few years.
Originally posted by Ryan+Jul 18 2005, 01:38 PM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (Ryan @ Jul 18 2005, 01:38 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> Originally posted by -Mark@Jul 17 2005, 06:58 PM
<!--QuoteBegin--Ryan@Jul 17 2005, 07:31 PM
Yah I'm really excited aobut this new agreement.
First of all this is going to bring a new life for the edmonton Oilers.* Since they were a team that spent 32 million last season on players saleries with the 24% rollback in effect that should put them at just over 24 million in salery.* This will allow them to spend some money and get a number one centre that they have always been seeking since the loss of Doug Weight.* This number one centre will help them develop players like Hemsky and help Dvorak put up the numbers that he can put up.
Secondly, half those rule changes they have proposed are ridiculously dumb.* They better not do anything with the nets for one.* The key is to make the goalies equipment smaller.* Tag up offsides will be good as the system they use right now is kinda stupid.* They ahve the delayed system and half the time its delayed whne the puck goes in and the player is offside then when he clears they still end up calling an offside.* No touch icing is dumb to i think, sure it can cause injuries but thats part of the game.* Alot of times icing will get waved off and a play can happen out of it, or sometimes it will get beat out and a scoring chance can be created.
All in all I can't wait for the season to start.* Oh yah I'm gonna laugh when Crosby is the first overall pick and he fold under the pressure and turns out to be another Daigle.
I'm willing to put up $500 that that won't happen.
He's not meant to be league leader in scoring in his first season, but he will make an impact and he will score 25+ goals and be leader in scoring if injuries don't hurt him.
USAF.07: NHL 2004 > NHL 2005.
Yah I know that it probably won't happen but it has happened before. But yah if all goes well he should be cocered into the NHL like Joe Thornton or Vincent Lecalier did. He's not expected to put up huge numbers in his first season or two but gradually he will adjust and get used to the style of game and will be a top guy in a few years. [/b][/quote]
Most definately. I'd be shocked if he doesn't win the Calder trophy and get at least 40-50 points, though.
Anybody want to start guessing on who gets Crosby? I've got a weird feeling with the New York Rangers. I'm going with them.
Everyone's saying the Rangers.... but then again, they're the best bet since they still have all their balls ( :lol: ). I'll make a completely wild guess and say the Blue Jackets.
Edit: Wow, Mark, you're really putting all your money on Crosby. You do realize he's extremely non-NHL proven, correct? I think he's a safe bet for the long run, but not for the short run.
Darcy
07-18-2005, 06:36 PM
Hockey is back! There is a god!
I find that hockey is the only watchable sport...
Originally posted by Ant@Jul 18 2005, 02:21 PM
Everyone's saying the Rangers.... but then again, they're the best bet since they still have all their balls ( :lol: ). I'll make a completely wild guess and say the Blue Jackets.
Edit: Wow, Mark, you're really putting all your money on Crosby. You do realize he's extremely non-NHL proven, correct? I think he's a safe bet for the long run, but not for the short run.
Two words: Michael Ryder.
Two years ago, he was paying his dues in the East Coast Hockey League, the lowliest of junior hockey leagues in Canada. He's from Newfoundland, where I live, a place virtually unknown of producing viable NHL stars. Montreal drafts him as a low-rounder. He scrapes his way onto the Montreal team. By the end of the year, he's the league leader in scoring. If someone like Ryder who had no records in junior, no MVP awards, no playoffs experience, and no recognitiopn can do it, Sydney Crosby can. You haven't seen him do the things I've done. He's absolutely incredible. He's a twenty-five year old player trapped in an eighteen-year old body.
Originally posted by Mark+Jul 18 2005, 06:17 PM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (Mark @ Jul 18 2005, 06:17 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> <!--QuoteBegin--Ant@Jul 18 2005, 02:21 PM
Everyone's saying the Rangers.... but then again, they're the best bet since they still have all their balls ( :lol: ). I'll make a completely wild guess and say the Blue Jackets.
Edit: Wow, Mark, you're really putting all your money on Crosby. You do realize he's extremely non-NHL proven, correct? I think he's a safe bet for the long run, but not for the short run.
Two words: Michael Ryder.
Two years ago, he was paying his dues in the East Coast Hockey League, the lowliest of junior hockey leagues in Canada. He's from Newfoundland, where I live, a place virtually unknown of producing viable NHL stars. Montreal drafts him as a low-rounder. He scrapes his way onto the Montreal team. By the end of the year, he's the league leader in scoring. If someone like Ryder who had no records in junior, no MVP awards, no playoffs experience, and no recognitiopn can do it, Sydney Crosby can. You haven't seen him do the things I've done. He's absolutely incredible. He's a twenty-five year old player trapped in an eighteen-year old body. [/b][/quote]
I think you just proved that you can't compare Crosby to Ryder yourself by stating everything he had to overcome.
Like I said: Crosby will be amazing, but I think people are going to be in for a rude awakening if they think he's going to be amazing the first two seasons. I think he'll have an average or decent rookie season and sophomore season for sure, but I think it'll take him 2 or 3 years to be anywher near the top of the league.
I think Washington's Alexander Ovechkin is much more NHL-ready, it's just that he's not Canadian so he wasn't getting the massive hype (although he was getting quite a bit) that Crosby was. Ovechkin and Crosby are the NHL's future to be sure, however.
lpsk8er
07-19-2005, 05:15 PM
Some thought TV was boring without the NHL.
Glad it's back.
Originally posted by Ant+Jul 19 2005, 12:48 PM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (Ant @ Jul 19 2005, 12:48 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> Originally posted by -Mark@Jul 18 2005, 06:17 PM
<!--QuoteBegin--Ant@Jul 18 2005, 02:21 PM
Everyone's saying the Rangers.... but then again, they're the best bet since they still have all their balls ( :lol: ). I'll make a completely wild guess and say the Blue Jackets.
Edit: Wow, Mark, you're really putting all your money on Crosby. You do realize he's extremely non-NHL proven, correct? I think he's a safe bet for the long run, but not for the short run.
Two words: Michael Ryder.
Two years ago, he was paying his dues in the East Coast Hockey League, the lowliest of junior hockey leagues in Canada. He's from Newfoundland, where I live, a place virtually unknown of producing viable NHL stars. Montreal drafts him as a low-rounder. He scrapes his way onto the Montreal team. By the end of the year, he's the league leader in scoring. If someone like Ryder who had no records in junior, no MVP awards, no playoffs experience, and no recognitiopn can do it, Sydney Crosby can. You haven't seen him do the things I've done. He's absolutely incredible. He's a twenty-five year old player trapped in an eighteen-year old body.
I think you just proved that you can't compare Crosby to Ryder yourself by stating everything he had to overcome.
Like I said: Crosby will be amazing, but I think people are going to be in for a rude awakening if they think he's going to be amazing the first two seasons. I think he'll have an average or decent rookie season and sophomore season for sure, but I think it'll take him 2 or 3 years to be anywher near the top of the league.
I think Washington's Alexander Ovechkin is much more NHL-ready, it's just that he's not Canadian so he wasn't getting the massive hype (although he was getting quite a bit) that Crosby was. Ovechkin and Crosby are the NHL's future to be sure, however. [/b][/quote]
I'm just saying that if some unknown player like Ryder, who completely pales in comparison to Crosby, can come out with a rookie scoring title (or close to it, I'm not sure if Hunter won that), then surely the best prospect to come out of junior hockey in a decade can match and surpass what Ryder accomplished. He's had pressure on him for the last 3 or so years and he just consistently thrives from it. From two straight years being the QMJHL's leading scorer, and leading Canada to a silver and gold medal at the World Junior Hockey Championships averaging well over a point a game, I can see Sidney doing amazing things. Would they be on par with what Gretzky did? Of course not. But I'm just predicting that he will not disappoint and he will be the league leader in rookie scoring by the end of the year. He will make an impact from the get-go, that's what I'm predicting.
Ovechkin, on the other hand, does not seem like the next Fedorov or Kovalchuk. If he keeps acting up in the NHL with his flambuoyant fist pumps and mocking of other players, he's going to be the one with a rude awakening. He tried to be a hot dog at the 2005 World Junior Hockey Championships and Canada checked the living hell out of him and sent him out of the game as punishment. He's got alot of maturing to do, and if he doesn't mature, you'll see him on an injured list in no time. :lol:
I think it's quite evident that we have differing opinions on whether Crosby will perform excellently (for example, by winning the Calder trophy or rookie scoring race) in his first year. We'll just have to agree to disagree and see who's right when the season starts and progresses.
Meanwhile, I'd like to go on a rant on how stupid the NHL is for not hyping up this draft lottery. Here we are with the NHL's brightest star in over a decade going first overall in the first major event in the NHL since the lockout began, and there's not even live TV coverage? They should be pimping out Sidney Crosby to American television networks and talk shows! Create a little excitment in a snoring American market by showing a highlight reel of some of his best goals and whatnot. Surely, there's better ways to market this event rather than having the draft lottery behind closed doors.
Ryder came out from nowhere. If you're going off of the rule "well, if a late round prospect can make it then everyone is going to make it" then you're far off. By that logic, Alexander Daigle should be leading the league in pretty much every offensive category.
I don't know if I'd predict Crosby making much of an impact from the get-go. Yes, he'll have an impact, but I doubt he'll lead rookies in scoring. We'll see if he does, but I think he'll be in the top 5 for sure, but I don't know about number 1. He's got a ways to go, if you ask me. I've seen his stuff, I know he's amazing, but I also think it'll take a little bit of time for him to adjust (I know he's on a high minor league level, though, don't get me wrong).
Ovechkin is acting like any other Russian player does (or European, for that matter). Fedorov, Bure, Kovalchuk all did that when they got in the league, and all of them turned into absolutely amazing players -- and they all made an impact from the get-go. It really doesn't matter if he's mature -- Bure still hasn't matured that much, in fact. Fedorov and Bure still celebrate goals wildly (mainly Bure). They both pumped their fists, "sheathed" their sticks, etc. Do I like that they do it? Nah, it's unsportsman-like. Do they have targets on their back, though? No, everyone on opposing teams know that their teams have their backs (and in the case of Fedorov, know that he's got his own dang back! :lol: ).
Ovechkin is similar to Bure in that he can outskate most anything opposing teams throw at him... so let opposing teams keep trying to check him -- as soon as they do his team is going to take action. The NHL is vastly different than the minor leagues. Players don't like it when others celebrate, but they're not going to put a target on that player's back unless it's extremely rude, or if they go after one of their own players.
But, yes, agree to disagree, as they say. I think Ovechkin and Crosby will both have great rookie seasons, but I don't think Crosby is going to be the God-send everyone's expecting... for the first year or two. He'll explode soon after, though.
Oh, and you beat me to it... I was just going to say how stupid the NHL for not allowing draft coverage -- when stations were BIDDING for the rights to it! That's one of the few times you'll have stations bidding for the rights to anything NHL in a long while.
Originally posted by Ant@Jul 19 2005, 03:51 PM
But, yes, agree to disagree, as they say.
Oh, and you beat me to it... I was just going to say how stupid the NHL for not allowing draft coverage -- when stations were BIDDING for the rights to it! That's one of the few times you'll have stations bidding for the rights to anything NHL in a long while.
Yep. ^_^
I never knew stations were bidding for rights for it. Do you have a link? I think they shoudl try selling it to SpikeTV. What sport is more exciting and physical than hockey? (Football may be physical but it's only exciting in small minute long bursts, hockey is usually on-edge for the most part of the game). They say it's "television for men", and men love physicality in a sport that's exciting. It's perfect for their scheduling.
Looks like Canadian television network TSN will be getting exclusive rights to the draft lottery, actually. TSN is owned by ESPN, so maybe they'll carry it as well. Not sure, though. Source (http://www.tsn.ca/nhl/news_story.asp?id=130851)
Anyways, not just casue i'm an Oilers fan I'm saying that they are gonna get the first pick but rather becasue I dont know when the last time they had a high pick in a draft let alone the top pick. I got a good feeling they could strike gold. As for the Crosby situation i wold be willin to put money on it that he wont win the Calder. The Calder always goes to some surprise player every year. Gretzky didn't even win the Calder, but that was kinda a different situation.
Originally posted by Mark+Jul 20 2005, 03:12 AM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (Mark @ Jul 20 2005, 03:12 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> <!--QuoteBegin--Ant@Jul 19 2005, 03:51 PM
But, yes, agree to disagree, as they say.
Oh, and you beat me to it... I was just going to say how stupid the NHL for not allowing draft coverage -- when stations were BIDDING for the rights to it! That's one of the few times you'll have stations bidding for the rights to anything NHL in a long while.
Yep. ^_^
I never knew stations were bidding for rights for it. Do you have a link? I think they shoudl try selling it to SpikeTV. What sport is more exciting and physical than hockey? (Football may be physical but it's only exciting in small minute long bursts, hockey is usually on-edge for the most part of the game). They say it's "television for men", and men love physicality in a sport that's exciting. It's perfect for their scheduling.
Looks like Canadian television network TSN will be getting exclusive rights to the draft lottery, actually. TSN is owned by ESPN, so maybe they'll carry it as well. Not sure, though. Source (http://www.tsn.ca/nhl/news_story.asp?id=130851) [/b][/quote]
I saw it on an NHL message board... I'll try and find it, but I may not be able to.
The players ratified the deal today with an 87% majority of 550 voters. The league is officially back in business.
Tomorrow, the GMs will ratify the deal and then have the draft lottery at 4pm EST on TSN. They'll also announce the new rule changes.
forgottenlp52
07-22-2005, 01:34 AM
Please tell me the Flyers are playing.
Originally posted by forgottenlp52@Jul 21 2005, 10:04 PM
Please tell me the Flyers are playing.
:wth:
Odaton
07-22-2005, 02:39 AM
So who's watching the draft lottery tomorrow then? :lol:
I'll just have to at least watch who gets Crosby, I wasn't until I got an unexpected call saying I'm off work tomorrow...so bring it on.
I am also hoping that Gary Roberts will go to Ottawa, that would piss my Leaf-fan brother off so much :D
Originally posted by Odaton@Jul 21 2005, 11:09 PM
So who's watching the draft lottery tomorrow then? :lol:
I'll just have to at least watch who gets Crosby, I wasn't until I got an unexpected call saying I'm off work tomorrow...so bring it on.
I am also hoping that Gary Roberts will go to Ottawa, that would piss my Leaf-fan brother off so much :D
Fuck that. Roberts' heart is in Toronto and he wouldn't go to the enemy and play with the likes of Chara and Alfredsson, who he despises. :lol:
I'll be watching. I'm highly anticipating it.
Looks like Jeff O'Neill, Jason Allison, Eric Lindros, and Scott Neidermayer have their eyes on Toronto. I hope we only get Allison and Neidermayer, resign Roberts and Nieuwendyk, and buy out Nolan. O'Neill's overrated and Lindros is one hit away from having his career ended.
Odaton
07-22-2005, 02:48 AM
Originally posted by Mark+Jul 22 2005, 01:42 AM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (Mark @ Jul 22 2005, 01:42 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> <!--QuoteBegin--Odaton@Jul 21 2005, 11:09 PM
So who's watching the draft lottery tomorrow then? :lol:
I'll just have to at least watch who gets Crosby, I wasn't until I got an unexpected call saying I'm off work tomorrow...so bring it on.
I am also hoping that Gary Roberts will go to Ottawa, that would piss my Leaf-fan brother off so much :D
Fuck that. Roberts' heart is in Toronto and he wouldn't go to the enemy and play with the likes of Chara and Alfredsson, who he despises. :lol:
I'll be watching. I'm highly anticipating it.
Looks like Jeff O'Neill, Jason Allison, Eric Lindros, and Scott Neidermayer have their eyes on Toronto. I hope we only get Allison and Neidermayer, resign Roberts and Nieuwendyk, and buy out Nolan. [/b][/quote]
I think he will stay in Toronto too, unfortunately. But about the free agents looking at Toronto...how many dozen free agents say they want to play in Toronto every year? Nothing ever surfaces really, but I guess with the whole financial reorganization there is going to be a lot of movement in the league as of August 1st.
I just like that the NHL is back. One thing that really pisses me off with Toronto is their ticket prices, and that they didn't lower their prices after the cap came on. I hope that there are more St. John's Majors games (OHL) at the ACC. Great hockey and close seats are only like 35 bucks, compared to 200 for a Leaf game.
Originally posted by Odaton+Jul 21 2005, 11:18 PM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (Odaton @ Jul 21 2005, 11:18 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> Originally posted by -Mark@Jul 22 2005, 01:42 AM
<!--QuoteBegin--Odaton@Jul 21 2005, 11:09 PM
So who's watching the draft lottery tomorrow then?* :lol:
I'll just have to at least watch who gets Crosby, I wasn't until I got an unexpected call saying I'm off work tomorrow...so bring it on.
I am also hoping that Gary Roberts will go to Ottawa, that would piss my Leaf-fan brother off so much* :D
Fuck that. Roberts' heart is in Toronto and he wouldn't go to the enemy and play with the likes of Chara and Alfredsson, who he despises. :lol:
I'll be watching. I'm highly anticipating it.
Looks like Jeff O'Neill, Jason Allison, Eric Lindros, and Scott Neidermayer have their eyes on Toronto. I hope we only get Allison and Neidermayer, resign Roberts and Nieuwendyk, and buy out Nolan.
I think he will stay in Toronto too, unfortunately. But about the free agents looking at Toronto...how many dozen free agents say they want to play in Toronto every year? Nothing ever surfaces really, but I guess with the whole financial reorganization there is going to be a lot of movement in the league as of August 1st.
I just like that the NHL is back. One thing that really pisses me off with Toronto is their ticket prices, and that they didn't lower their prices after the cap came on. I hope that there are more St. John's Majors games (OHL) at the ACC. Great hockey and close seats are only like 35 bucks, compared to 200 for a Leaf game. [/b][/quote]
Yeah. :lol: But I think we'll get at least one of them.
And yeah, it's ridiculous how the Leafs won't lower ticket prices. but they know they could charge $300 for every seat and they'd sell out every game.
Originally posted by Mark+Jul 22 2005, 01:42 AM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (Mark @ Jul 22 2005, 01:42 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> <!--QuoteBegin--Odaton@Jul 21 2005, 11:09 PM
So who's watching the draft lottery tomorrow then? :lol:
I'll just have to at least watch who gets Crosby, I wasn't until I got an unexpected call saying I'm off work tomorrow...so bring it on.
I am also hoping that Gary Roberts will go to Ottawa, that would piss my Leaf-fan brother off so much :D
Fuck that. Roberts' heart is in Toronto and he wouldn't go to the enemy and play with the likes of Chara and Alfredsson, who he despises. :lol:
I'll be watching. I'm highly anticipating it.
Looks like Jeff O'Neill, Jason Allison, Eric Lindros, and Scott Neidermayer have their eyes on Toronto. I hope we only get Allison and Neidermayer, resign Roberts and Nieuwendyk, and buy out Nolan. O'Neill's overrated and Lindros is one hit away from having his career ended. [/b][/quote]
I have to disagree about Jeff O'Neill, personally. He is an amazing scorer, and I think he's underrated if anything (he's not exactly in a large market).
No one should go after Lindros unless he agrees to play for an extremely miniscule amount... his career is almost over, and he's not even the player he once was, or anything near it.
Originally posted by Ant+Jul 21 2005, 11:29 PM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (Ant @ Jul 21 2005, 11:29 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> Originally posted by -Mark@Jul 22 2005, 01:42 AM
<!--QuoteBegin--Odaton@Jul 21 2005, 11:09 PM
So who's watching the draft lottery tomorrow then?* :lol:
I'll just have to at least watch who gets Crosby, I wasn't until I got an unexpected call saying I'm off work tomorrow...so bring it on.
I am also hoping that Gary Roberts will go to Ottawa, that would piss my Leaf-fan brother off so much* :D
Fuck that. Roberts' heart is in Toronto and he wouldn't go to the enemy and play with the likes of Chara and Alfredsson, who he despises. :lol:
I'll be watching. I'm highly anticipating it.
Looks like Jeff O'Neill, Jason Allison, Eric Lindros, and Scott Neidermayer have their eyes on Toronto. I hope we only get Allison and Neidermayer, resign Roberts and Nieuwendyk, and buy out Nolan. O'Neill's overrated and Lindros is one hit away from having his career ended.
I have to disagree about Jeff O'Neill, personally. He is an amazing scorer, and I think he's underrated if anything (he's not exactly in a large market).
No one should go after Lindros unless he agrees to play for an extremely miniscule amount... his career is almost over, and he's not even the player he once was, or anything near it. [/b][/quote]
I think he's considered to be one of the best players in the league because he's the best player on a lowly team like the Carolina Hurricanes. But who knows, if he came to Toronto for a low price and felt motivated by playing for his favorite team, maybe he'd do great things.
Reports have Lindros offering to play in Toronto for $500,000 plus bonuses. I still think there's better deals out there (namely Allison for about 1 million). Would I complain if he came, though? No.
Odaton
07-22-2005, 03:08 AM
Ah Eric Lindros...A little nugget of trivia for you:
Lindros whined that he didn't want to play in Quebec when he was drafted by them, so he was traded to Philly for a young Swede prospect named Peter Forsberg....he probably would've won the Cup with the Nordiques (or the Avalanche) if he wasn't the #1 prospect at the time with a big attitude to match. Meh, I think the trade turned out fine, a real bargain! :lol:
Originally posted by Odaton@Jul 21 2005, 11:38 PM
Ah Eric Lindros...A little nugget of trivia for you:
Lindros whined that he didn't want to play in Quebec when he was drafted by them, so he was traded to Philly for a young Swede prospect named Peter Forsberg....he probably would've won the Cup with the Nordiques (or the Avalanche) if he wasn't the #1 prospect at the time with a big attitude to match. Meh, I think the trade turned out fine, a real bargain! :lol:
Yeah, I knew that. That's hilarious.
Originally posted by Mark+Jul 21 2005, 07:49 PM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (Mark @ Jul 21 2005, 07:49 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> <!--QuoteBegin--Odaton@Jul 21 2005, 11:38 PM
Ah Eric Lindros...A little nugget of trivia for you:
Lindros whined that he didn't want to play in Quebec when he was drafted by them, so he was traded to Philly for a young Swede prospect named Peter Forsberg....he probably would've won the Cup with the Nordiques (or the Avalanche) if he wasn't the #1 prospect at the time with a big attitude to match. Meh, I think the trade turned out fine, a real bargain! :lol:
Yeah, I knew that. That's hilarious. [/b][/quote]
Yah in my opinion Forsberg is the best player in the game today hands down.
I cant watch the lottery tomorrow cause i have to work but i will have the radios on to hear the results, come on Edmonton!
As for Jeff O'Neil being overrated, he is no where near being overrated. Sure he is the top scorer on a lowly team like the 'canes, but who does he have to play with, no one. So that means that he is a fairly pure player that can create sometihng out of nothing. I eman i dont think he is a superstar but he is definitely a good plyer to bolster a lineup, I would love to see O'Neil in Edmonton and hep develop young talent like Torres and Hemsky. Cause the damn small makret took players like Weight and Guerin away from us. But now there are no excuses, Lowe has to make some moves and make the Oilers a contender now cause they can definitely compete in this market.
I have heard several rumors that the Oilers are seeking to bring Allison to Emdonton. I know they were seeking him last off seaosn and almost had a deal done, when they found out that there wasn't gonna be a season they just decided to hold off. But August 1st will be a good day to watch transactions.
Draft order thus far:
30 - Tampa Bay Lightning
29 - Florida Panthers
28 - Dallas Stars
27 - Colorado Avalanche
26 - Calgary Flames
25 - Edmonton Oilers
24 - St. Louis Blues
23 - New Jersey Devils
22 - Boston Bruins
21 - Toronto Maple Leafs
20 - Philidelphia Flyers
19 - Detroit Red Wings
18 - Nashville Predators
17 - Phoenix Coyotes
16 - New York Rangers
15 - New York Islanders
14 - Washington Capitals
13 - Buffalo Sabres
12 - San Jose Sharks
11 - Los Angeles Kings
10 - Vancouver Canucks
9 - Ottawa Senators
8 - Atlanta Thrashers
7 - Chicago Blackhawks
6 - Columbus Bluie Jackets
5 - Montreal Canadiens
4 - Minnesota Wild
3 - Carolina Hurricanes
2 - Anaheim Mighty Ducks
1 - Pittsburgh Penguins
He's going to the Penguins! I don't think anyone expected that!
I was hoping the Penguins would get him instead of Anaheim. Imagine Lemieux and Crosby on a line together. That's amazing.
It was kinda expected, Ant. They were one of the teams with 3 balls in the bin. :lol:
The pens why the pens. This could pretty much lock up the calder for Crosby. All the Lemieuxe has to do is feed him the puck and he will get the numbers. They will have one hell of a powerplay. The damn oilers, this is their lowest first round pic probably since they won the cup in 1990. Oh well Hemsky is gonna come into his own this season.
http://www.gamespot.com/xbox/sports/nhl06/index.html
Holy shit, NHL 06 looks amazing.
Yah it looks pretty cool, but i've lost faith in hockey games. So i'm gonna hve to hear some good stuff about this one in order to buy it.
Originally posted by Mark@Jul 23 2005, 12:17 AM
It was kinda expected, Ant. They were one of the teams with 3 balls in the bin. :lol:
It's true that they were one of the teams with 3 balls in the lottery, but very few thought that they would be the team to get him, except for those in the area.
Originally posted by Ant+Jul 24 2005, 01:46 AM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (Ant @ Jul 24 2005, 01:46 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> <!--QuoteBegin--Mark@Jul 23 2005, 12:17 AM
It was kinda expected, Ant. They were one of the teams with 3 balls in the bin. :lol:
It's true that they were one of the teams with 3 balls in the lottery, but very few thought that they would be the team to get him, except for those in the area. [/b][/quote]
Yeah, I'm just saying the odds were in their favor nonetheless. :P
Hey is there a link to all the new rule changes, cause i only know a few of them.
http://sports.espn.go.com/nhl/news/story?id=2114523
Friskey™
07-28-2005, 06:34 PM
Goodenow stepping down as head of NHL players' union (http://sports.yahoo.com/nhl/news?slug=ap-goodenowout&prov=ap&type=lgns)
Originally posted by Faded@Jul 28 2005, 03:04 PM
Goodenow stepping down as head of NHL players' union (http://sports.yahoo.com/nhl/news?slug=ap-goodenowout&prov=ap&type=lgns)
I saw that coming. The owners won on this CBA.
Now, all we need is Bettman to step down so we can get a Canadian in there who understands that places like Nashville and Florida don't need teams, while Winnipeg, Quebec City, and Halifax could easily sustain a hockey franchise.
Sylar
07-30-2005, 07:17 AM
Shanahan is returning the Red Wings! Yes! (w00t)
It's unfortunate Darren McCarty won't be playing anymore though. I really hope Yzerman renews his contract and I hope the Wings sign Datsyuk as well.
Originally posted by BuriedxTragedy@Jul 30 2005, 06:17 AM
Shanahan is returning the Red Wings! Yes! (w00t)
It's unfortunate Darren McCarty won't be playing anymore though. I really hope Yzerman renews his contract and I hope the Wings sign Datsyuk as well.
Yeah, I was happy to see Shanny return, too. Sucks about Darren, but he was just making too much.
Datsyuk really is a mystery... I've heard he doesn't really care if he plays in the NHL and may be one of the numerous young Russians/Europeans who continue to play over there.
Zetterberg will resign to a long contract from what I've been hearing, though. I'm really glad about that... he's our future captain.
Friskey™
07-30-2005, 05:35 PM
This is really (times infinite) obvious, but it's official that Sidney Crosby was the #1 pick in the NHL draft thingy.
Originally posted by Faded@Jul 30 2005, 02:05 PM
This is really (times infinite) obvious, but it's official that Sidney Crosby was the #1 pick in the NHL draft thingy.
Hehe. The Penguins are so lucky.
I managed to pick the first six of seven picks correctly. Montreal selecting Price was a complete surprise to me.
Leafs got Rask, the Finnish Goalie. It's a good thing too because Belfour is 40 now and has a wonky back. If he gets injured this year or doesn't play well, you can say goodbye to the Leafs making the playoffs. :lol:
Here's hoping the Leafs can hook Adam Foote and Jason Allison like the rumours suggest. They need to resign Gary Roberts as well.
Friskey™
07-30-2005, 06:59 PM
When does Colorado pick?
Originally posted by Faded@Jul 30 2005, 03:29 PM
When does Colorado pick?
25th or 26th, I believe. It's coming very close.
Friskey™
07-30-2005, 07:00 PM
Originally posted by Mark+Jul 30 2005, 01:59 PM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (Mark @ Jul 30 2005, 01:59 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> <!--QuoteBegin--Faded@Jul 30 2005, 03:29 PM
When does Colorado pick?
25th or 26th, I believe. It's coming very close. [/b][/quote]
Ok, just checking to see who they get.
You can watch the draft live on TSN.ca (http://www.tsn.ca/). :)
Colorado are 27th, Edmonton just picked and they're 25th.
Wait, did Colorado trade their pcik to Washington, I think I missed something.
AHHH! Toronto got Jeff O'Neill for a conditional 2006 draft pick! I still don't think he's all he's cracked up to be, but he fills the slot left by Owen Nolan. I think he can rejuvenate his career playing for his favorite team. Poor guy had his brother die in a car accident last week.
Friskey™
07-30-2005, 07:34 PM
Originally posted by Mark@Jul 30 2005, 02:08 PM
Wait, did Colorado trade their pcik to Washington, I think I missed something.
Yeah, they traded their 47th and 52nd picks to Colorado for the 27th. Damn.
Originally posted by Faded+Jul 30 2005, 04:04 PM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (Faded @ Jul 30 2005, 04:04 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> <!--QuoteBegin--Mark@Jul 30 2005, 02:08 PM
Wait, did Colorado trade their pcik to Washington, I think I missed something.
Yeah, they traded their 47th and 52nd picks to Colorado for the 27th. Damn. [/b][/quote]
Oh well. You've still got a great future with Marek Svatos. And you've still got Milan Hejduk, Alex Tanguay, Joe Sakic, and Rob Blake. It's too bad about Forsberg and Foote not receiving offers, though. I never would've though Colorado would let Forsberg slip through their fingers.
Friskey™
07-30-2005, 07:45 PM
Originally posted by Mark+Jul 30 2005, 02:37 PM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (Mark @ Jul 30 2005, 02:37 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> Originally posted by -Faded@Jul 30 2005, 04:04 PM
<!--QuoteBegin--Mark@Jul 30 2005, 02:08 PM
Wait, did Colorado trade their pcik to Washington, I think I missed something.
Yeah, they traded their 47th and 52nd picks to Colorado for the 27th. Damn.
Oh well. You've still got a great future with Marek Svatos. And you've still got Milan Hejduk, Alex Tanguay, Joe Sakic, and Rob Blake. It's too bad about Forsberg and Foote not receiving offers, though. I never would've though Colorado would let Forsberg slip through their fingers. [/b][/quote]
Yeah, they're still in it I believe. (Can you tell i'm an Av's fan?) :lol:
It's good to see American hockey fans. :lol:
Friskey™
07-30-2005, 07:55 PM
Originally posted by Mark@Jul 30 2005, 02:53 PM
It's good to see American hockey fans. :lol:
You damn right :lol:
Originally posted by Faded@Jul 30 2005, 06:45 PM
(Can you tell i'm an Av's fan?) :lol:
Ewwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwww
:mellow:
:lol:
Friskey™
08-04-2005, 06:59 PM
Jeremy Roenick has been traded to the Kings...I guess the Flyers are paving the way for Forsberg I guess.
http://sports.yahoo.com/nhl/news?slug=ap-f...ov=ap&type=lgns (http://sports.yahoo.com/nhl/news?slug=ap-flyers-kingstrade&prov=ap&type=lgns)
Um, they signed Forsberg before they made that trade... if you mean they're making cap room for him, yes. Clarke said specifically at Forsberg's press conference that they were over the cap and they were going to trade someone.
Friskey™
08-04-2005, 09:03 PM
I meant by that they're paving the way for Forsberg to be the new leader of the team.
Leafs still haven't done anything. Ugh. But I hope they sign Allison and Lindros, both are near definites.
Ant won't like this, but I've heard rumblings of a Zetterberg for Antropov + 1 other Leaf deal. They'd trade away Zetterberg because they're eyeing someone bigger, possibly Palffy.
Oh. I don't think that really had anything to do with it -- him being a "leader" or not. J.R. wasn't the leader of the Flyers... nowhere near it. If anything, Keith Premeau is one of the leaders of the team.
Originally posted by Mark@Aug 4 2005, 08:43 PM
Leafs still haven't done anything. Ugh. But I hope they sign Allison and Lindros, both are near definites.
Ant won't like this, but I've heard rumblings of a Zetterberg for Antropov + 1 other Leaf deal. They'd trade away Zetterberg because they're eyeing someone bigger, possibly Palffy.
Don't count on the Leafs doing too much... they're too saddled with bad contracts.
I've heard that rumor, too, but it was started by someone in Toronto... and Toronto always starts rumors that good players are "rumored" to be going there. Personally, I love Zetterberg. He's the future captain of the Red Wings (yes, over Datsyuk)... I don't want to see him traded because Holland doesn't want to give him a measley $2 mil/year when they can still do that, easily.
And Antropov is really just an assumption... the rumored deal is Detroit sends Zetterberg to Toronto, Boston sends Thorton to Detroit, and the Leafs send someone to Toronto (possibly Antropov). I don't really think Palffy has a chance here, personally.
I hope that deal doesn't go through, but anything can happen... Holland will certainly lose my respect if he pulls the trigger on that deal, considering Hank isn't the one holding out for a ton of money, Datsyuk is.
Edit: Gosh dangit, I keep forgetting to edit my posts together.
Also... good place to check out the free agent signings:
http://www2.sportsnet.ca/nhl/free_agent_tracker.html
Good place for rumors (albiet some are more credible than others):
http://hockeyrumors.blogspot.com/
Did anybody see Crosby on Leno last night? Hehe. They had him shoot pucks into an open clothesdryer. He hit the dryer to the left on the first two shots, missed his third, then fired in his last two shots. It was awesome. :lol:
I'm going to try and find footage.
Man, I was trying to remember to watch that but I forgot :angry: I always do that! :lol:
CNBC repeats epsiodes, I think. Check your listings.
Leafs signed Allison to a 1 year deal. Awesome.
Sylar
08-05-2005, 11:13 PM
Yzerman finally made his decision and the Wings signed him for 1 year...and he's one of our lowest paid players this year. Nick Lindstrom ranks in at over $7 Million and he's our highest paid. We still have about $11 million until we reach the salary cap.
No one can make more than 20% of their team's cap... Lidstrom's salary will automatically go to whatever 20% of our cap is. But, you're right, he'll probably be around $7 million.
Chelios signed for $850,000, too, which I thought was an extremely classy move on his part. We also signed Frazen, who was a draft pick last year -- Detroit's scouts are extremely high on him and he's actually going to be a third- or fourth-line player! :)
Only major issue I see now is getting Datsyuk and Zetterberg signed, as well as signing Chris Osgood (which is likely the goaltender we'll go after).
Sylar
08-06-2005, 01:33 AM
Originally posted by Ant@Aug 5 2005, 07:49 PM
No one can make more than 20% of their team's cap... Lidstrom's salary will automatically go to whatever 20% of our cap is. But, you're right, he'll probably be around $7 million.
Chelios signed for $850,000, too, which I thought was an extremely classy move on his part. We also signed Frazen, who was a draft pick last year -- Detroit's scouts are extremely high on him and he's actually going to be a third- or fourth-line player! :)
Only major issue I see now is getting Datsyuk and Zetterberg signed, as well as signing Chris Osgood (which is likely the goaltender we'll go after).
Yeah, we still have Legace. if you go to Yahoo! sports and go into NHL and then into teams and then in Red Wings, there is a news link you can click that says "The Status of Your Red Wings" and it shows the salary of every player under contract so for and who exactly is signed.
Legace will probably be traded. He makes far too much for a backup goalie (in today's CBA), and Detroit has a good wealth of minor league goalies. I liked Legace, but we need to make cap room.
Sylar
08-06-2005, 03:05 AM
Originally posted by Ant@Aug 5 2005, 09:30 PM
Legace will probably be traded. He makes far too much for a backup goalie (in today's CBA), and Detroit has a good wealth of minor league goalies. I liked Legace, but we need to make cap room.
Yeah that's true.
Chances are Leafs won't be trading for Zetterberg:
Earlier, Ferguson announced that the club would also likely be bringing back centre Nik Antropov.
"He will remain with our club," Ferguson said.
Antropov, 25, had earlier received offers from clubs in Russia that were believed to be as much as three times more lucrative than the Leafs qualifying offer of $1 million for the coming season.
Source: http://www.thestar.com/NASApp/cs/ContentSe...id=968867503640 (http://www.thestar.com/NASApp/cs/ContentServer?pagename=thestar/Layout/Article_PrintFriendly&c=Article&cid=1123278613382&call_pageid=968867503640)
Not really surprised. It was a horrible rumor to begin with... why? Because the basic rumor was that they'd trade for Zetterberg, who's asking for $2.5 million, which the Leafs can't afford to pay if they want to sign anyone.
And then there were rumors that they signed him to an offer sheet that the Red Wings wouldn't be able to match because it'd put them over payroll -- when the Wings still have $11 million or so left and the Leafs have less.
Edit: More...
I haven't heard of that rumour it's probably more of a speculation. We've started to negotiate with Detroit and they have shown that they want him back. I predict the chanses that Zäta will stay in Detroit are good.
Source (Translated): http://www.aftonbladet.se/vss/sport/story/...,681819,00.html (http://www.aftonbladet.se/vss/sport/story/0,2789,681819,00.html)
Originally posted by Ant@Aug 6 2005, 11:44 AM
Chances are Leafs won't be trading for Zetterberg:
Earlier, Ferguson announced that the club would also likely be bringing back centre Nik Antropov.
"He will remain with our club," Ferguson said.
Antropov, 25, had earlier received offers from clubs in Russia that were believed to be as much as three times more lucrative than the Leafs qualifying offer of $1 million for the coming season.
Source: http://www.thestar.com/NASApp/cs/ContentSe...id=968867503640 (http://www.thestar.com/NASApp/cs/ContentServer?pagename=thestar/Layout/Article_PrintFriendly&c=Article&cid=1123278613382&call_pageid=968867503640)
Not really surprised. It was a horrible rumor to begin with... why? Because the basic rumor was that they'd trade for Zetterberg, who's asking for $2.5 million, which the Leafs can't afford to pay if they want to sign anyone.
And then there were rumors that they signed him to an offer sheet that the Red Wings wouldn't be able to match because it'd put them over payroll -- when the Wings still have $11 million or so left and the Leafs have less.
Edit: More...
I haven't heard of that rumour it's probably more of a speculation. We've started to negotiate with Detroit and they have shown that they want him back. I predict the chanses that Zäta will stay in Detroit are good.
Source (Translated): http://www.aftonbladet.se/vss/sport/story/...,681819,00.html (http://www.aftonbladet.se/vss/sport/story/0,2789,681819,00.html)
Yes, they can. Is it advisable? Not really. With the Allison signing, the Leafs have a good $9 million left to spend. I'll post something I posted over on the Leafs forums.
Leafs Current Salary Structure for 2005/06:
Signed
Sundin: $6,840,000
Belfour: $4,560,000
McCabe: $3,458,000
Kaberle: $2,280,000
Klee: $1,900,000
Tucker: $1,596,000
Stajan: $805,600
O'Neill: $1,500,000
Allison: $1,500,000
Domi: $1,250,000
Qualifying Offers
Berg: $1,064,000
Antropov: $1,007,000
Belak: $798,000
Kilger: $668,000
Pilar: $450,000
Perrott: $450,000
Total: $30,126,600
That's $30.1M for 16 players, giving us $9.4M (realistically around $7.5M with some space for trade deadline) to sign 7 players.
Colaiacovo, Ponikarovsky, and Wellwood will get $500,000 contracts, leaving us $6M of the (imaginary) $7.5M left for 4 players. Lindros for around $750,000 (plus performance bonuses, like Allison, that don't count against our cap until next season), and hypothetically we have $5.25M left for 3 players. $2M for a defenceman (slim pickings now), $2M-$2.5M for a Left Winger for Mats, and $0.5M-$1M for a second or third liner. Total cap would be around $37.5M.
Our lineup could look like;
Whitney Sundin O'Neill
Tucker Lindros Allison
Poni Wellwood Antropov
Domi Stajan Perrott
Spares: Belak, Kilger, Ling/Wilm
McCabe Klee
Kaberle Hamrlik/Biron (?)
Colaiacovo Pilar
Spares: Berg, Belak (Can play both positions)
Belfour Tellqvist
Not bad. Not great, but not bad.
Testament
08-06-2005, 05:46 PM
@Mark-YEAH! Crosby with Deuce Bigalow and Leno was motherfucking hilarious. Especially with all the "dryer" remarks. :lol:
Dude on BDSSP-Still, you would be pissed if they won a cup in Phily next year without you.
Jeremy Roenick-That would be TOTAL BULLSHIT.
Haha, let's see how Tellqvist will do, starting in 50 games this year. :whistle:
Yes, I'm a big fan of Belfour, as he's a fellow Manitoban....but dude, just hang it up before you really get hurt. I wonder why they didn't conserve money and go after Khabibulin. He'd look pretty good in a leafs uniform. Damn better then he would in a Hawks uniform.
And it won't help the leafs as 70% of their fans are assholes.
I just might find myself cheering for the Hawks this year. :whistle: THe Cam Barker factor. ;)
Originally posted by Mark+Aug 6 2005, 03:48 PM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (Mark @ Aug 6 2005, 03:48 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> <!--QuoteBegin--Ant@Aug 6 2005, 11:44 AM
Chances are Leafs won't be trading for Zetterberg:
Earlier, Ferguson announced that the club would also likely be bringing back centre Nik Antropov.
"He will remain with our club," Ferguson said.
Antropov, 25, had earlier received offers from clubs in Russia that were believed to be as much as three times more lucrative than the Leafs qualifying offer of $1 million for the coming season.
Source: http://www.thestar.com/NASApp/cs/ContentSe...id=968867503640 (http://www.thestar.com/NASApp/cs/ContentServer?pagename=thestar/Layout/Article_PrintFriendly&c=Article&cid=1123278613382&call_pageid=968867503640)
Not really surprised. It was a horrible rumor to begin with... why? Because the basic rumor was that they'd trade for Zetterberg, who's asking for $2.5 million, which the Leafs can't afford to pay if they want to sign anyone.
And then there were rumors that they signed him to an offer sheet that the Red Wings wouldn't be able to match because it'd put them over payroll -- when the Wings still have $11 million or so left and the Leafs have less.
Edit: More...
I haven't heard of that rumour it's probably more of a speculation. We've started to negotiate with Detroit and they have shown that they want him back. I predict the chanses that Zäta will stay in Detroit are good.
Source (Translated): http://www.aftonbladet.se/vss/sport/story/...,681819,00.html (http://www.aftonbladet.se/vss/sport/story/0,2789,681819,00.html)
Yes, they can. Is it advisable? Not really. With the Allison signing, the Leafs have a good $9 million left to spend. I'll post something I posted over on the Leafs forums.
Leafs Current Salary Structure for 2005/06:
Signed
Sundin: $6,840,000
Belfour: $4,560,000
McCabe: $3,458,000
Kaberle: $2,280,000
Klee: $1,900,000
Tucker: $1,596,000
Stajan: $805,600
O'Neill: $1,500,000
Allison: $1,500,000
Domi: $1,250,000
Qualifying Offers
Berg: $1,064,000
Antropov: $1,007,000
Belak: $798,000
Kilger: $668,000
Pilar: $450,000
Perrott: $450,000
Total: $30,126,600
That's $30.1M for 16 players, giving us $9.4M (realistically around $7.5M with some space for trade deadline) to sign 7 players.
Colaiacovo, Ponikarovsky, and Wellwood will get $500,000 contracts, leaving us $6M of the (imaginary) $7.5M left for 4 players. Lindros for around $750,000 (plus performance bonuses, like Allison, that don't count against our cap until next season), and hypothetically we have $5.25M left for 3 players. $2M for a defenceman (slim pickings now), $2M-$2.5M for a Left Winger for Mats, and $0.5M-$1M for a second or third liner. Total cap would be around $37.5M.
Our lineup could look like;
Whitney Sundin O'Neill
Tucker Lindros Allison
Poni Wellwood Antropov
Domi Stajan Perrott
Spares: Belak, Kilger, Ling/Wilm
McCabe Klee
Kaberle Hamrlik/Biron (?)
Colaiacovo Pilar
Spares: Berg, Belak (Can play both positions)
Belfour Tellqvist
Not bad. Not great, but not bad. [/b][/quote]
I don't think you understood what I meant, Mark.
The Red Wings have more payroll room left than the Leafs do. It is impossible for the Leafs to sign Zetterberg to an offer that the Red Wings cannot match. And, even if they do sign him to that offer, they're only screwing themselves over in that they'll have to sign even more AHL-calibur players. Not to mention the Red Wings have the right to match any offer made to Zetterberg because he's an RFA.
If the Leafs sign Zetterberg to a deal over $5 million, which is probably the only way they'd get him, they'd owe the Red Wings 4 first-round draft picks in the future as compensation. Don't count on it.
And, I know you were referring to the $2.5 million that the Leafs "can't afford to sign." I meant they can't afford to sign him at that if they want to be in good shape for the seasons to come. And if they only offer him $2.5 million the Red Wings will obviously match.
Originally posted by Ant@Aug 6 2005, 02:25 PM
I don't think you understood what I meant, Mark.
The Red Wings have more payroll room left than the Leafs do. It is impossible for the Leafs to sign Zetterberg to an offer that the Red Wings cannot match. And, even if they do sign him to that offer, they're only screwing themselves over in that they'll have to sign even more AHL-calibur players. Not to mention the Red Wings have the right to match any offer made to Zetterberg because he's an RFA.
If the Leafs sign Zetterberg to a deal over $5 million, which is probably the only way they'd get him, they'd owe the Red Wings 4 first-round draft picks in the future as compensation. Don't count on it.
And, I know you were referring to the $2.5 million that the Leafs "can't afford to sign." I meant they can't afford to sign him at that if they want to be in good shape for the seasons to come. And if they only offer him $2.5 million the Red Wings will obviously match.
I see.
Although I think the Leafs would stop pursuing him after $2M.
Couldn't the Leafs just trade for him and sign him under their own terms? They did that with O'Neill. Unlikely, but plausible.
I can see the Leafs singing UFAs Whitney and Lindros, though.
It's possible, but I don't think Holland will trade Zatta unless he starts asking for an insane amount of money (ie. $3.5 mil or more). Right now he's asking for 2.5, but I think they want to try and talk him into 2 right now.
I'm 80% sure Lindros will go to Toronto, too, I think that's right. Whitney could go anywhere.
Originally posted by Ant@Aug 6 2005, 05:55 PM
It's possible, but I don't think Holland will trade Zatta unless he starts asking for an insane amount of money (ie. $3.5 mil or more). Right now he's asking for 2.5, but I think they want to try and talk him into 2 right now.
I'm 80% sure Lindros will go to Toronto, too, I think that's right. Whitney could go anywhere.
Yes, it's just a matter of whether the Leafs want to sign him because he said he'd play for them for peanuts. That's an actual quote he gave.
Whitney's on the Canes, damn. He would've been a great fit.
Palffy on Pittsburgh!?!?! Damn, they're going to be great! What a turnaround for the Pens.
Pens are going to have an amazing offense... defense and goalie is still a bit sketchy. They'll at least make the playoffs, though, and they should get a round or two deeper.
Originally posted by Mark+Aug 6 2005, 07:54 PM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (Mark @ Aug 6 2005, 07:54 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> <!--QuoteBegin--Ant@Aug 6 2005, 05:55 PM
It's possible, but I don't think Holland will trade Zatta unless he starts asking for an insane amount of money (ie. $3.5 mil or more). Right now he's asking for 2.5, but I think they want to try and talk him into 2 right now.
I'm 80% sure Lindros will go to Toronto, too, I think that's right. Whitney could go anywhere.
Yes, it's just a matter of whether the Leafs want to sign him because he said he'd play for them for peanuts. That's an actual quote he gave.
Whitney's on the Canes, damn. He would've been a great fit.
Palffy on Pittsburgh!?!?! Damn, they're going to be great! What a turnaround for the Pens. [/b][/quote]
Mark your just all about the pens hey. I tihnk that Crosby will be a decent player in his first season but I think he will only be good enough to put up like Third liner numbers when they will be playing him on the top line the whole seaosn. I think it will be a battle between him and Ovechkin for the calder. The Pens have some good players but as long as they stand on their head they wont make it anywhere. Alot of their good players are really young, Crosby and Fleury. Lemieux and Palffy are getting older and I would say Palffy is past his prime. As well Lemieux will have to stay healthy, that will be his biggest battle this season. Plus their defence, they dont have an overly great core, but the addition of Gonchar will help add offence from the point. But I guess we wil have to wait and see. Anything is possible as new stars and heros come about every season and some superstars find slumps.
Originally posted by Ryan+Aug 7 2005, 04:11 PM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (Ryan @ Aug 7 2005, 04:11 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> Originally posted by -Mark@Aug 6 2005, 07:54 PM
<!--QuoteBegin--Ant@Aug 6 2005, 05:55 PM
It's possible, but I don't think Holland will trade Zatta unless he starts asking for an insane amount of money (ie. $3.5 mil or more). Right now he's asking for 2.5, but I think they want to try and talk him into 2 right now.
I'm 80% sure Lindros will go to Toronto, too, I think that's right. Whitney could go anywhere.
Yes, it's just a matter of whether the Leafs want to sign him because he said he'd play for them for peanuts. That's an actual quote he gave.
Whitney's on the Canes, damn. He would've been a great fit.
Palffy on Pittsburgh!?!?! Damn, they're going to be great! What a turnaround for the Pens.
Mark your just all about the pens hey. I tihnk that Crosby will be a decent player in his first season but I think he will only be good enough to put up like Third liner numbers when they will be playing him on the top line the whole seaosn. I think it will be a battle between him and Ovechkin for the calder. The Pens have some good players but as long as they stand on their head they wont make it anywhere. Alot of their good players are really young, Crosby and Fleury. Lemieux and Palffy are getting older and I would say Palffy is past his prime. As well Lemieux will have to stay healthy, that will be his biggest battle this season. Plus their defence, they dont have an overly great core, but the addition of Gonchar will help add offence from the point. But I guess we wil have to wait and see. Anything is possible as new stars and heros come about every season and some superstars find slumps. [/b][/quote]
Crosby, Malkin, Pallfy, Lemieux, Recchi, Gonchar, Fleury. They're better than last year, that's for sure. :lol:
In order for Crosby to compete for the Calder, he'd have to get 50-60 points. Those are hardly third-liner numbers.
Testament
08-07-2005, 11:07 PM
Offence is nice, they got Ric Jackman, Sergei Gonchar and Dick Tarnstrom on defence(I think) and Fleury in net. Fleury and Crosby's production is key to where they go this year.
Well, what we've all been assuming for the past two years finally happened...
http://www.azcentral.com/sports/coyotes/ar...tzky-ON-CR.html (http://www.azcentral.com/sports/coyotes/articles/0807gretzky-ON-CR.html)
Phoenix is denying it obviously, though... we'll see...
Edit: Osgood in Detroit...
http://www.tsn.ca/nhl/news_story.asp?id=132824
And now the whole Gretzky spiel is official.
Leafs got Lindros. If he stays healthy, he'll be a threat.
If we get Anson Carter like we're supposed to, we'll have a top six forward line-up of;
Lindros Sundin O'Neill
Carter Allison Tucker
I think that's pretty good.
Testament
08-13-2005, 03:11 AM
Originally posted by Mark@Aug 12 2005, 05:51 PM
Leafs got Lindros. If he stays healthy, he'll be a threat.
If we get Anson Carter like we're supposed to, we'll have a top six forward line-up of;
Lindros Sundin O'Neill
Carter Allison Tucker
I think that's pretty good.
Anson Carter kind of just fell apart sine 2003. :lol:
Originally posted by Thanatos+Aug 13 2005, 02:11 AM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (Thanatos @ Aug 13 2005, 02:11 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> <!--QuoteBegin--Mark@Aug 12 2005, 05:51 PM
Leafs got Lindros. If he stays healthy, he'll be a threat.
If we get Anson Carter like we're supposed to, we'll have a top six forward line-up of;
Lindros Sundin O'Neill
Carter Allison Tucker
I think that's pretty good.
Anson Carter kind of just fell apart sine 2003. :lol: [/b][/quote]
Have to agree, personally. I hope he has a better year with the Leafs, though.
Originally posted by Ant+Aug 13 2005, 12:42 AM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (Ant @ Aug 13 2005, 12:42 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> Originally posted by -Thanatos@Aug 13 2005, 02:11 AM
<!--QuoteBegin--Mark@Aug 12 2005, 05:51 PM
Leafs got Lindros. If he stays healthy, he'll be a threat.
If we get Anson Carter like we're supposed to, we'll have a top six forward line-up of;
Lindros Sundin O'Neill
Carter* Allison* Tucker
I think that's pretty good.
Anson Carter kind of just fell apart sine 2003. :lol:
Have to agree, personally. I hope he has a better year with the Leafs, though. [/b][/quote]
Well, it's kind of hard when you're playing for 3 different teams during the season. :lol:
Louis
08-14-2005, 01:56 AM
Word up, players.
Testament
08-20-2005, 05:28 PM
Originally posted by Ant+Aug 12 2005, 09:12 PM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (Ant @ Aug 12 2005, 09:12 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> Originally posted by -Thanatos@Aug 13 2005, 02:11 AM
<!--QuoteBegin--Mark@Aug 12 2005, 05:51 PM
Leafs got Lindros. If he stays healthy, he'll be a threat.
If we get Anson Carter like we're supposed to, we'll have a top six forward line-up of;
Lindros Sundin O'Neill
Carter* Allison* Tucker
I think that's pretty good.
Anson Carter kind of just fell apart sine 2003. :lol:
Have to agree, personally. I hope he has a better year with the Leafs, though. [/b][/quote]
Leafs? I think you confused them with Vancouver.
Originally posted by Thanatos+Aug 20 2005, 01:58 PM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (Thanatos @ Aug 20 2005, 01:58 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> Originally posted by -Ant@Aug 12 2005, 09:12 PM
Originally posted by -Thanatos@Aug 13 2005, 02:11 AM
<!--QuoteBegin--Mark@Aug 12 2005, 05:51 PM
Leafs got Lindros. If he stays healthy, he'll be a threat.
If we get Anson Carter like we're supposed to, we'll have a top six forward line-up of;
Lindros Sundin O'Neill
Carter** Allison* Tucker
I think that's pretty good.
Anson Carter kind of just fell apart sine 2003. :lol:
Have to agree, personally. I hope he has a better year with the Leafs, though.
Leafs? I think you confused them with Vancouver. [/b][/quote]
Well, when Ant posted that, he was supposed to be going to the Leafs. But something happened, I don't think the Leafs liked the results of the physical he did. So he went to Vancouver.
Testament
08-24-2005, 02:19 AM
Holy crap, Ottawa traded Marian Hossa and Greg de Vries to Atlanta for Dany Heatley.
Le Source (http://www.tsn.ca/nhl/news_story.asp?id=134320)
Score one for Atlanta.
Heatley's still a question mark after his comeback. His World Cup and World Championships were less than stellar and he hasn't been the same since returning.
On the other hand, Hossa hasn't even hit his prime. Him and Kovalchuk will be an absolute force if they're played on the same line.
I can see Hossa in a Thrashers uniform, but not Heatley in a Senators uniform. This is weird.
Testament
08-24-2005, 02:29 AM
Originally posted by Mark@Aug 23 2005, 07:27 PM
Score one for Atlanta.
Heatley's still a question mark after his comeback. His World Cup and World Championships were less than stellar and he hasn't been the same since returning.
On the other hand, Hossa hasn't even hit his prime. Him and Kovalchuk will be an absolute force if they're played on the same line.
I can see Hossa in a Thrashers uniform, but not Heatley in a Senators uniform. This is weird.
Yeah, same here. I can't imagine Heatley in a Sens uniform. Wonder what number he'll wear, unless Peter Schaefer gives up 15.
Originally posted by Thanatos+Aug 23 2005, 06:29 PM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (Thanatos @ Aug 23 2005, 06:29 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> <!--QuoteBegin--Mark@Aug 23 2005, 07:27 PM
Score one for Atlanta.
Heatley's still a question mark after his comeback. His World Cup and World Championships were less than stellar and he hasn't been the same since returning.
On the other hand, Hossa hasn't even hit his prime. Him and Kovalchuk will be an absolute force if they're played on the same line.
I can see Hossa in a Thrashers uniform, but not Heatley in a Senators uniform. This is weird.
Yeah, same here. I can't imagine Heatley in a Sens uniform. Wonder what number he'll wear, unless Peter Schaefer gives up 15. [/b][/quote]
Haha they will make schaffer give up 15. Anyways this will be a fresh start for Heatley so i'm sure he will get back to his old self and keep improving.
Testament
08-24-2005, 05:56 PM
Originally posted by Ryan+Aug 24 2005, 09:37 AM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (Ryan @ Aug 24 2005, 09:37 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> Originally posted by -Thanatos@Aug 23 2005, 06:29 PM
<!--QuoteBegin--Mark@Aug 23 2005, 07:27 PM
Score one for Atlanta.
Heatley's still a question mark after his comeback. His World Cup and World Championships were less than stellar and he hasn't been the same since returning.
On the other hand, Hossa hasn't even hit his prime. Him and Kovalchuk will be an absolute force if they're played on the same line.
I can see Hossa in a Thrashers uniform, but not Heatley in a Senators uniform. This is weird.
Yeah, same here. I can't imagine Heatley in a Sens uniform. Wonder what number he'll wear, unless Peter Schaefer gives up 15.
Haha they will make schaffer give up 15. Anyways this will be a fresh start for Heatley so i'm sure he will get back to his old self and keep improving. [/b][/quote]
I don't think Heatley has been, or ever will be the same again.
EDIT: No Schaefer is keeping 15, Heatley's gonna wear 51.
Originally posted by Thanatos+Aug 24 2005, 09:56 AM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (Thanatos @ Aug 24 2005, 09:56 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> Originally posted by -Ryan@Aug 24 2005, 09:37 AM
Originally posted by -Thanatos@Aug 23 2005, 06:29 PM
<!--QuoteBegin--Mark@Aug 23 2005, 07:27 PM
Score one for Atlanta.
Heatley's still a question mark after his comeback. His World Cup and World Championships were less than stellar and he hasn't been the same since returning.
On the other hand, Hossa hasn't even hit his prime. Him and Kovalchuk will be an absolute force if they're played on the same line.
I can see Hossa in a Thrashers uniform, but not Heatley in a Senators uniform. This is weird.
Yeah, same here. I can't imagine Heatley in a Sens uniform. Wonder what number he'll wear, unless Peter Schaefer gives up 15.
Haha they will make schaffer give up 15. Anyways this will be a fresh start for Heatley so i'm sure he will get back to his old self and keep improving.
I don't think Heatley has been, or ever will be the same again.
EDIT: No Schaefer is keeping 15, Heatley's gonna wear 51. [/b][/quote]
I'll put money on it that heatley will return to his old form if not better.
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