Legalization: Shrooms

[arT saveS]

I don't know how many of you are familiar with the pyschadelic fungi known as shrooms, but I suppose we will find out.

In the most simple of terms, I will try to describe how shrooms work, for those who are unaware.

Our brains are made up of billions and billions of braincells, or neurons. Each cell is connected to thousands of other cells. The cells take input from the rest of the cells, and if the input is enough they "fire", sending an output to all the rest of the cells. This is how thought is created.

There is space between the cells, and when you take a "drug" (for the lack of a better word), the "drug" gets into the spaces between the cells and alters how and when the cell fires.

The cells have receptors, which are a lot like a keyhole. Think of a "drug" as a key. The "drug" usually only effects a neuron if it fits into one of the neurons receptors.

A tryptamine (A crystalline substance that is formed in plant and animal tissues from tryptophan and is an intermediate in various metabolic processes) has a shape very similar to serotonin (A brain chemical (neurotransmitter) that helps to regulate your mood. A lack of it may lead to depression). Because of this, it will fit into the same 'keyhole' that serotonin fits into... but because the tryptamine shape is a bit different, the effects are different. (You hallucinate, body buzz, "tripping".)


Shrooms are illegal for it's chemical, called psilocybin. Psilocybin (along with psilocybe and psilocin) is the main chemical in shrooms. Basically, it causes you to hallucinate (explained above) and the government doesn't like it.

Shrooms are only harmful if your allergic, or of course overdose. Which is extremely impossible. To overdose on shrooms would mean you would have to eat your body weight in shrooms, which you would pass out way before that was possible. Shrooms have no long term effects, but it is possible to have a bad "trip" or a good "trip" and be changed because of it.

Anyways, I'll explain more about it if you have questions, or maybe there are some others on here who know about this also.

Anyways, should shrooms be legal? I believe so.

Discuss.

[Glenn]

Well they must be ok if Super Mario grows when he takes them.

[.in.the.shadows.]

Originally posted by SaxopianoGRD@Jun 4 2005, 04:04 PM
Well they must be ok if Super Mario grows when he takes them.
:lol: !

That's the best thing I've read all day.

[Anthony.]

Shrooms are a form of controlled indigestion...

[Doctor Manhattan]

I'm one of those people who believes the government makes money off of stuff like illegal drugs, diseases, etc. I think they brought things like cocaine, shrooms, pot, heroin, angel dust, etc. into the states, simply to make money off those who would buy them.

(Offtopic: I also think the government purposely haults the cure for diseases such as cancer and AIDS, because once it's cured, disease isn't a billion dollar industry anymore. Who would get treated for that disease and pay money for the treatment, when there is a cure ready for shipment? There hasn't been a cure for a disease since polio, by the way.)

It should be legal, but it will never be legal. I like Jello Biafra's platform on drugs. When he was running for the independent nomination in 2000, he had an interesting stance on the legalization of pot and other substances. If you control the use of drugs, then it's probably easier to ease someone off that drug. Instead of teaching about drugs in school, why not experiment, and get that teenage curiosity out of the way, but in a controlled setting?

So, I think they should be legal. But it never will be.

[.in.the.shadows.]

Originally posted by Casey@Jun 4 2005, 04:08 PM
I'm one of those people who believes the government makes money off of stuff like illegal drugs, diseases, etc. I think they brought things like cocaine, shrooms, pot, heroin, angel dust, etc. into the states, simply to make money off those who would buy them.

It should be legal, but it will never be legal. I like Jello Biafra's platform on drugs. When he was running for the independent nomination in 2000, he had an interesting stance on the legalization of pot and other substances. If you control the use of drugs, then it's probably easier to ease someone off that drug. Instead of teaching about drugs in school, why not experiment, and get that teenage curiosity out of the way, but in a controlled setting?

So, I think they should be legal. But it never will be.
I don't believe that the government brought the drugs in.

However I do believe that under controlled use, it would be easier to just legalize certain drugs.

But the whole experimentation thing. I absolutely disagree. The higher the percentage of teens who try drugs, the higher the possibility of a generation of addicts. However, that's just my opinion.

[Glenn]

I think what America should do is legalize everything. Everything will be hell within the first decade or so, but people will get used to the fact that it's their decision to take these drugs or not. Drug dealers would be out of business if everything was legal.

[Melonman64]

I heard marijuana is legal in the Netherlands, and they don't seem to have problems with it.

[Evan™]

Originally posted by Melonman64@Jun 4 2005, 09:34 PM
I heard marijuana is legal in the Netherlands, and they don't seem to have problems with it.
cmon man...Netherlands hav soem of the biggest hoe houses there wad do u expect...tehy probaly cover up all teh incidences regarding marujana or hwoeva u spell it....

[Glenn]

Yeah I've been wondering about that. Do they have a lot of abuse of drugs over in Europe where it's legal.

[Doctor Manhattan]

It's probably in controlled settings like cafe shops and whatnot. Atleast from what I've seen on TV. I think there's a law against going out on the streets high, or something.

[Glenn]

Hmm. But do a lot of problems occur in Europe related to drugs?

[Neil]

If they're having problems legalizing marijuana, what in the hell makes you think they'll legalize shrooms.


Not.fucking.likely.

[arT saveS]

Originally posted by Neil@Jun 4 2005, 08:38 PM
If they're having problems legalizing marijuana, what in the hell makes you think they'll legalize shrooms.


Not.fucking.likely.
...

Shrooms are not addicting and they don't have any harmful effects. Marijuana can be physically addicting and you can get cancer.

And yes, I know not fucking likely. I read up everyday on the news about the legalization of both weed and shrooms. And no, it's not getting extremely far. But either way people are GOING TO DO BOTH OF THEM. So if they would legalize it under controlled settings (as Casey has said) and made some laws about the use of it, it would work out much better, don't you think? I'm not saying people shouldn't be arrested under the influence of them, if they are doing something DUMB. But fuck not everyone is stupid, even here in america. When I'm high I don't go out and do stupid shit. So I really don't see what the problem is with someone who is high, doing nothing wrong (in the case of weed being legal meaning it wouldn't be 'wrong') I mean I go out and take walks, goto the store to get a soda, or me and my friends go out and ride bikes and just hang out, but we don't do stupid shit to bother anyone. So why should it bother anyone that we are high?

What a free country this is.

[Neil]

Mushies also rot your tummy


:D

[arT saveS]

Originally posted by Neil@Jun 5 2005, 02:39 AM
Mushies also rot your tummy


:D
America rots your brain.




:)

[Melonman64]

Originally posted by fall.into.sleep+Jun 5 2005, 03:42 AM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (fall.into.sleep @ Jun 5 2005, 03:42 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> <!--QuoteBegin--Neil@Jun 5 2005, 02:39 AM
Mushies also rot your tummy


:D
America rots your brain.




:) [/b][/quote]
Amen!

[Mechanical Christ]

I've never heard of anyone dying of psilocybin overdose before. Is there such a thing?

[Justin]

Originally posted by Linkin_EvangelionNG+Jun 5 2005, 08:31 AM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (Linkin_EvangelionNG @ Jun 5 2005, 08:31 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> <!--QuoteBegin--Melonman64@Jun 4 2005, 09:34 PM
I heard marijuana is legal in the Netherlands, and they don't seem to have problems with it.
cmon man...Netherlands hav soem of the biggest hoe houses there wad do u expect...tehy probaly cover up all teh incidences regarding marujana or hwoeva u spell it.... [/b][/quote]
I think that Marijuana is illegal but 'tolerated' in the Netherlands. They're a very liberal country. First country to legalize prostitution and same-sex marriages.

[Leones]

Originally posted by what's_crakulating+Jun 6 2005, 02:06 PM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (what's_crakulating @ Jun 6 2005, 02:06 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> Originally posted by -Linkin_EvangelionNG@Jun 5 2005, 08:31 AM
<!--QuoteBegin--Melonman64@Jun 4 2005, 09:34 PM
I heard marijuana is legal in the Netherlands, and they don't seem to have problems with it.
cmon man...Netherlands hav soem of the biggest hoe houses there wad do u expect...tehy probaly cover up all teh incidences regarding marujana or hwoeva u spell it....
I think that Marijuana is illegal but 'tolerated' in the Netherlands. They're a very liberal country. First country to legalize prostitution and same-sex marriages. [/b][/quote]
I don't think there is a problem in Holland with drugs or the red light district.... There are coffeeshops where they sell shrooms and marijuana but they can't sell all drugs. Shops get checked almost every month. The government allows this because now it has a little grip on the use of drugs in the Netherlands. Not all drug goes 'underground' this way. Same for prostitution.


And I think it is good to legalize Shrooms.

[Neil]

Originally posted by fall.into.sleep+Jun 5 2005, 02:42 AM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (fall.into.sleep @ Jun 5 2005, 02:42 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> <!--QuoteBegin--Neil@Jun 5 2005, 02:39 AM
Mushies also rot your tummy


:D
America rots your brain.




:) [/b][/quote]
And.. I'm Canadian.

:)

[arT saveS]

Originally posted by Neil+Jun 6 2005, 10:53 AM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (Neil @ Jun 6 2005, 10:53 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> Originally posted by -fall.into.sleep@Jun 5 2005, 02:42 AM
<!--QuoteBegin--Neil@Jun 5 2005, 02:39 AM
Mushies also rot your tummy


:D
America rots your brain.




:)
And.. I'm Canadian.

:) [/b][/quote]
Well fuck your lucky, I wish I lived in Canada. I hate it here.


Mechanical Christ: No, as far as I know it would be impossible to overdose on psilocybin. It replaces certain brain chemicals for a limited amount of time, and you would pass out if you had too much. No one has died from shrooms though.

[Dark-Nova4001]

Actually according to this article, http://www.shroomery.org/index/par/24403, there has been a death caused by shrooms

[arT saveS]

Wow. This has me dumbfounded. I read the article. This is the first of it's kind, I have never heard of anyone dying. That's craziness.

[Dark-Nova4001]

Yea, after reading your first post on how shrooms have almost no long term effects i decided to do a little bit of research on them, well actually i was probobly reading up on them for like 5-6 hours, and i found the article. I just thought i should let everyone know about it, but it is the only reported death from shrooms that I've read about so the chance of dying is very very small

[erasethepain]

They should either legalize Marijuana or illegalize Alchohol.

[arT saveS]

They should either legalize Marijuana or illegalize Alchohol.

[Louis]

Originally posted by SaxopianoGRD@Jun 4 2005, 09:04 PM
Well they must be ok if Super Mario grows when he takes them.
Well said.

[arT saveS]

Originally posted by GiriosXeni+Jun 7 2005, 12:30 AM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (GiriosXeni @ Jun 7 2005, 12:30 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> <!--QuoteBegin--SaxopianoGRD@Jun 4 2005, 09:04 PM
Well they must be ok if Super Mario grows when he takes them.
Well said. [/b][/quote]
I'm guessing you don't know the game is based while Mario is tripping on shrooms. Fuck, you don't really believe in evil lizards and spikey turtles and plants that spit fireballs do you?

[Weezy]

Well, cigarettes are legal. I don't know much about shrooms, but from what I've seen here.. they don't seem as harmful as cigarettes. I don't get it.

[arT saveS]

Originally posted by Weezy@Jun 7 2005, 01:36 AM
Well, cigarettes are legal. I don't know much about shrooms, but from what I've seen here.. they don't seem as harmful as cigarettes. I don't get it.
Cigarettes - Thousands die each year from cancer.

Alcohol - Thousands die each year from poising and car wrecks.

Shrooms - One person has died, and shrooms have been used way before cigarettes or alcohol came around.

[Holiday]

yes, it should be legal. i am against the government putting its nose in other ppl's business. i dont understand why it is so wrong for someone to do something to your own body?!? grr... but yes, pot, shrooms, all that good stuff should be legal. and if the government really wants to make money, they would be responsible for all of the trafficing and tax everything they sell.


Shrooms are NOT...i repeat: NOT addictive. and they never will be. also seritonin is not what the trip mainly comes from. only in Ecstasy is the trip from seritonin primairly.

Shrooms will never be legal though. in fact this year they just passed a law saying it is illegal to have fresh shrooms. before it was only illegal to have processed shrooms.

[arT saveS]

Originally posted by Holiday@Jun 7 2005, 02:21 AM
yes, it should be legal. i am against the government putting its nose in other ppl's business. i dont understand why it is so wrong for someone to do something to your own body?!? grr... but yes, pot, shrooms, all that good stuff should be legal. and if the government really wants to make money, they would be responsible for all of the trafficing and tax everything they sell.


Shrooms are NOT...i repeat: NOT addictive. and they never will be. also seritonin is not what the trip mainly comes from. only in Ecstasy is the trip from seritonin primairly.

Shrooms will never be legal though. in fact this year they just passed a law saying it is illegal to have fresh shrooms. before it was only illegal to have processed shrooms.
Yeah, I'm tired of the governement putting their nose in our business, because it's our body, and we should be allowed to do what we want with it, which we are going to whether it is legal or not, I would just rather be able to do stuff to my own self and not goto jail for it.

Anyways, whining doesn't help so I will stop.

Your right, shrooms aren't addicting. They are actually "anti-addicting". I don't remember exactly what happens, but if you do shrooms, and trip, hallucinate, all that great stuff, if you do shrooms the very next day, or even within a few days of doing it the first time, it won't be very intense, it will be very minimal, maybe a body buzz at the most. So therefore regular shroom users have around 5 days in between each time they get high.

And don't say shrooms will never be legal, because anything is possible, we just have to do something about it. Goto your state legislators and tell them that this (and marijuana) is an important issue, send them letters telling them this or go to their office. Make them listen and discuss it, if they don't I'm not voting for their ass.

[Bandwagon]

all that good stuff should be legal

That's quite pathetic. I'll leave it at that

[arT saveS]

Originally posted by Nikki@Jun 7 2005, 12:14 PM
all that good stuff should be legal

That's quite pathetic. I'll leave it at that
Don't leave it at that, what's pathetic about what he said? Because I didn't see anything pathetic about it. Maybe it would have been wiser to word it differently, but it wasn't pathetic...

[Holiday]

Originally posted by fall.into.sleep+Jun 7 2005, 10:21 AM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (fall.into.sleep @ Jun 7 2005, 10:21 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> <!--QuoteBegin--Nikki@Jun 7 2005, 12:14 PM
all that good stuff should be legal

That's quite pathetic. I'll leave it at that
Don't leave it at that, what's pathetic about what he said? Because I didn't see anything pathetic about it. Maybe it would have been wiser to word it differently, but it wasn't pathetic... [/b][/quote]
i dont see how it was pathetic at all. pathetic is the wrong word. and besides, "all that good stuff" is a saying. i say it all the time, and that is why i typed it. no other reason. my argument is that the government should shut up about what we do to ourselves and make these things legal again.

[Bandwagon]

"all that good stuff" is a saying

In which case, you shouldn't have used it ;)

And since you've justified it - I apologise, that since I'm somewhat decent like that

[Holiday]

Originally posted by Nikki@Jun 7 2005, 01:00 PM
"all that good stuff" is a saying

In which case, you shouldn't have used it ;)

And since you've justified it - I apologise, that since I'm somewhat decent like that
hmm.... well thank you for appologizing

[Melonman64]

I'm confuzzled

People are saying shrooms are dangerous hallocinogens, but then there are others (like people here) who say they do almost nothing. Someone help me!

[arT saveS]

Originally posted by Melonman64@Jun 10 2005, 10:05 PM
I'm confuzzled

People are saying shrooms are dangerous hallocinogens, but then there are others (like people here) who say they do almost nothing. Someone help me!
Ignorant people who know nothing except what they've been told, like the common "shrooms are a drug and drugs are bad, all drugs kill you..." saying, say stuff like shrooms are "dangers hallucinogens.

If your allergic to mushrooms, then I don't recommend eating shrooms. Yes, then it could be dangerous. If you get a mushroom that is just a poisonous mushroom instead of a shroom, then it could be dangerous. If eat more than half your body weight in shrooms, then yes it could be dangerous. If you can eat that much before passing out.

To my knowledge, only one person has ever died from shrooms. One person. Ever. (To my knowledge.)

I know a lot about shrooms, more than one might think. So if you have any questions you can add me on your MSN or just email me.

[Neil]

Some people in this thread fail to realize... alcohol = drunk + driving = BAD

shrooms = messed up + driving = JUST AS BAD.

[Pinkin Lark]

Originally posted by Holiday@Jun 7 2005, 12:21 AM
yes, it should be legal. i am against the government putting its nose in other ppl's business. i dont understand why it is so wrong for someone to do something to your own body?!?
Wow...I don't know what to say to that honestly. Ok it is your body theres no arguement there, but once you're under the influence your a threat to everyone around you. It doesn't matter if its not addictive or whatever reasons you guys give, its the fact that once you're high, or on shrooms, or on X you have no control over what you do and thats why its illegal. Its harmful, if shrooms are so good and should be legal do shrooms everyday for a year, do you honestly think you will be the same person before? Don't think so, that shit will fuck you up. But hey then again it is your body. ENJOY!

[Weezy]

Originally posted by fall.into.sleep@Jun 7 2005, 05:10 PM
Yeah, I'm tired of the governement putting their nose in our business, because it's our body, and we should be allowed to do what we want with it, which we are going to whether it is legal or not, I would just rather be able to do stuff to my own self and not goto jail for it.
I disagree.. not always. The government should definitely step in and prevent people from doing things to their own bodies f it is causing some kind of damage to other people.

Like smoking, for example.

[arT saveS]

Originally posted by Neil@Jun 11 2005, 03:23 AM
Some people in this thread fail to realize... alcohol = drunk + driving = BAD

shrooms = messed up + driving = JUST AS BAD.
Yeah, your right. And I don't fail to realize it. What you fail to realize is what it's like when your under the influence of shrooms (guessing you have never used shrooms). Some people can handle themselves perfectly when they are high under shrooms. Same thing with alcohol and weed. But if your not accustomed to the effects, and your driving, and you see a purple dragon with gills and a giraffe head, then yes you could have an accident quite easily. I would never drive under the influence of shrooms though. Nor would I let anyone under the influence with me drive.

Weezy: Smoking doesn't harm other people unless your talking about the bullshit about the money from weed going to terrorists. Which isn't 100% true. And yes it goes the same for if they are driving, when actually weed doesn't sever my capabilities of walking, or driving for that matter. I'm a better driver when I'm high believe it or not. I am much more aware and much more paranoid, so I take extra precautions than when I'm sober. Don't believe all the "people who are high are lazy and careless." Lazy yeah maybe because weed relaxes you immensely. But careless...that depends on the person. Just like EVERY OTHER THING IN THE WORLD. If they are going to ban weed because some people are careless, then they might as well ban alcohol, cigarettes (second hand smoke is worse than 1st hand. Meaning people who don't smoke, but are around smokers, are more likely to get lung cancer than the person who is actually smoking the cigarette), sex (careless people who are 16 who have sex without condoms produce babies, which then in turn can give the baby a poor future, or death. Ever heard of those sick girls who kill their babies and put them in trashcans because they don't want their prom date to know. :rolleyes: Or whatever), guns, knives, and whatever else you can think of that could do harm do someone else.

But smoking weed should not be banned and neither should shrooms because of "harming your OWN body." Whether the drug does harm or not, it's our body, and I for one won't have some dick from Ohio govern what or what I cannot do to my body.

[Pinkin Lark]

I agree with what you have to say fall.into.sleep, but the fact of the matter is, not everyone is as aware under the influence as you say you are and thats why it should stay illegal because I dont want my life to be at risk when I'm going to 7-11 to get a slurpee.

[Suffice]

Shrooms can cause sctizophrenia and mental health problems I think.

[arT saveS]

Originally posted by Pinkin Lark@Jun 11 2005, 02:56 PM
I agree with what you have to say fall.into.sleep, but the fact of the matter is, not everyone is as aware under the influence as you say you are and thats why it should stay illegal because I dont want my life to be at risk when I'm going to 7-11 to get a slurpee.
The chances of you being hit by a person high on shrooms is very unlikely compared to you being hit by a person drunk. Which is legal by the way. No matter what the subject, there will always be a chance something harmful can come from it. So let's just all stay in a big bubble like bubble boy, and never leave our house. Never talk on a cell phone, because it can cause cancer or whatever you know. Stay away from microwaves, they do the same thing as cell phones. Don't eat anything fatty, it will clog your arteries and you'll die of a heart attack. Also, don't disagree with anyone because they could be crazy, get extremely offended, and kill you.

Suffice: If you are extremely high on shrooms, past the point of body buzzes and relaxation, you reach the point where you hallucinate, or "trip." "Tripping" can be a very enlightening experience. But it can also be a very scary experience. It greatly depends on who you are, your life experience, and especially what mood you are in before you become high. If you have a scary experience, than I'm sure it can leave you "changed", maybe even permanently. Maybe even to the point of schizophrenia. On another subject, I have seen people high (on weed) lay down in the fetal position, and stare off, not talking, not making any movement, until a few hours the high wears off and they get up and ask what happened. I have also seen people rock back and forth, staring into nothing, the entire time they are high. Shrooms and weed are bound to have some different effects on everyone.

[Melonman64]

Wouldn't that explain why they are illegal? If the effects cannot be predicted, then anything could happen, and that one instance could be bad enough.

[Pinkin Lark]

Doesnt matter the chances, as we all know shit does happen and its less likely to not get into a car accident if you stay sober.

[arT saveS]

Wouldn't that explain why they are illegal? If the effects cannot be predicted, then anything could happen, and that one instance could be bad enough.
No. Anything can't just happen. And the effects are the same on the brain, the dose is what changes the strength of the effects.

Doesnt matter the chances, as we all know shit does happen and its less likely to not get into a car accident if you stay sober .
Which isn't a choice seeing that will never happen.

[Whimsicality]

Originally posted by fall.into.sleep@Jun 11 2005, 06:01 PM

The chances of you being hit by a person high on shrooms is very unlikely compared to you being hit by a person drunk. Which is legal by the way.
It's not legal to drive drunk. Not here, anyway.


As to the subject of shrooms, I don't know enough to have an opinion, and I really don't care a whole lot. The idea of chemicals (natural or not) fucking with my brain scares me, but if other people enjoy it then that's their business.

[arT saveS]

Originally posted by Whimsicality+Jun 11 2005, 05:41 PM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (Whimsicality @ Jun 11 2005, 05:41 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> <!--QuoteBegin--fall.into.sleep@Jun 11 2005, 06:01 PM

The chances of you being hit by a person high on shrooms is very unlikely compared to you being hit by a person drunk. Which is legal by the way.
It's not legal to drive drunk. Not here, anyway.


As to the subject of shrooms, I don't know enough to have an opinion, and I really don't care a whole lot. The idea of chemicals (natural or not) fucking with my brain scares me, but if other people enjoy it then that's their business. [/b][/quote]
It's legal to be drunk. I didn't say to drive drunk.

And I respect your opinion to not want to do drugs, or that "the idea of chemicals fucking" with your brain scares you. I also respect that you respect other peoples lives.

[Whimsicality]

Originally posted by fall.into.sleep+Jun 11 2005, 07:48 PM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (fall.into.sleep @ Jun 11 2005, 07:48 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> Originally posted by -Whimsicality@Jun 11 2005, 05:41 PM
<!--QuoteBegin--fall.into.sleep@Jun 11 2005, 06:01 PM

The chances of you being hit by a person high on shrooms is very unlikely compared to you being hit by a person drunk.* Which is legal by the way.
It's not legal to drive drunk. Not here, anyway.


As to the subject of shrooms, I don't know enough to have an opinion, and I really don't care a whole lot. The idea of chemicals (natural or not) fucking with my brain scares me, but if other people enjoy it then that's their business.
It's legal to be drunk. I didn't say to drive drunk.

And I respect your opinion to not want to do drugs, or that "the idea of chemicals fucking" with your brain scares you. I also respect that you respect other peoples lives. [/b][/quote]
Apologies for the misreading.

[arT saveS]

Originally posted by Whimsicality+Jun 11 2005, 07:01 PM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (Whimsicality @ Jun 11 2005, 07:01 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> Originally posted by -fall.into.sleep@Jun 11 2005, 07:48 PM
Originally posted by -Whimsicality@Jun 11 2005, 05:41 PM
<!--QuoteBegin--fall.into.sleep@Jun 11 2005, 06:01 PM

The chances of you being hit by a person high on shrooms is very unlikely compared to you being hit by a person drunk.* Which is legal by the way.
It's not legal to drive drunk. Not here, anyway.


As to the subject of shrooms, I don't know enough to have an opinion, and I really don't care a whole lot. The idea of chemicals (natural or not) fucking with my brain scares me, but if other people enjoy it then that's their business.
It's legal to be drunk. I didn't say to drive drunk.

And I respect your opinion to not want to do drugs, or that "the idea of chemicals fucking" with your brain scares you. I also respect that you respect other peoples lives.
Apologies for the misreading. [/b][/quote]
Oh no problem man. :) (I'm not sure if your male or female, so my apoligies if you are female.) I've misread before, don't worry about it.

[Holiday]

Originally posted by Whimsicality+Jun 11 2005, 03:41 PM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (Whimsicality @ Jun 11 2005, 03:41 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> <!--QuoteBegin--fall.into.sleep@Jun 11 2005, 06:01 PM

The chances of you being hit by a person high on shrooms is very unlikely compared to you being hit by a person drunk. Which is legal by the way.
It's not legal to drive drunk. Not here, anyway.


As to the subject of shrooms, I don't know enough to have an opinion, and I really don't care a whole lot. The idea of chemicals (natural or not) fucking with my brain scares me, but if other people enjoy it then that's their business. [/b][/quote]
actually it is legal to be drunk. here the legal limit is either .08 or .10 and do you know how fucking wasted some ppl are at that? and it is perfectly legal.

also, you might as well not drink, smoke, drink coffee or soda because of the caffiene, take any pain relievers or any pills, eat foods w/ any preservatives (proven to make ADD and ADHD much worse),........EVERYTHING messes w/ your brain! but its all different ways. i mean, antidepressants actually change your brain chemistry. you just have to pick and choose how you want it to be effected. personally, i think alcohol is one of the worst....and it really is, quite littereally, a poison.

[Pinkin Lark]

Its legal to drink if you're over 21, but illegal to drink and drive no matter what age.

[Holiday]

Originally posted by Pinkin Lark@Jun 12 2005, 01:00 AM
Its legal to drink if you're over 21, but illegal to drink and drive no matter what age.
:rolleyes: obviously you didnt actually read what i wrote. there is a Legal Limit on how ppl can drive while intoxicated. alcohol affects everyone differently, just like any other drug, so everyone has a different tollerance towards it. some ppl are smashed at .04 and some ppl are fine to drive at .12 (such as alcoholics). so the bottom line: it is legal to drive while under influence to a certain point.

[Pinkin Lark]

I understand there is a possibility that you can drink and drive, but do you understand how small the amount of alcohol you can consume and still be safe to drive by law is? Its a joke, so don't give me that 'you can drink and drive legally'. And trust me I've known plenty of people that have said 'Oh I'm fine' when they drink and then when they drive they get into an accident. It makes no sense to make a drug legal because only a small portion of people dont react to it like most people do.

[Melonman64]

Limits would probably be the best solution for everything, yes. But, what about stuff like huffing? Sniff glue once, and there is a probability you will die, regardless of who you are.

[Whimsicality]

Originally posted by Holiday+Jun 12 2005, 03:12 AM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (Holiday @ Jun 12 2005, 03:12 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> Originally posted by -Whimsicality@Jun 11 2005, 03:41 PM
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The chances of you being hit by a person high on shrooms is very unlikely compared to you being hit by a person drunk.* Which is legal by the way.
It's not legal to drive drunk. Not here, anyway.


As to the subject of shrooms, I don't know enough to have an opinion, and I really don't care a whole lot. The idea of chemicals (natural or not) fucking with my brain scares me, but if other people enjoy it then that's their business.
actually it is legal to be drunk. here the legal limit is either .08 or .10 and do you know how fucking wasted some ppl are at that? and it is perfectly legal.

also, you might as well not drink, smoke, drink coffee or soda because of the caffiene, take any pain relievers or any pills, eat foods w/ any preservatives (proven to make ADD and ADHD much worse),........EVERYTHING messes w/ your brain! but its all different ways. i mean, antidepressants actually change your brain chemistry. you just have to pick and choose how you want it to be effected. personally, i think alcohol is one of the worst....and it really is, quite littereally, a poison. [/b][/quote]
Here I believe you can still get arrested even if you're alcohol is below the legal limit if a cop decides you're a danger on the road. Could be wrong though.

And that depends on your definition of "fucking with." Sure, caffeine preservatives, et cetra mess with your brain too, but not to the point of hallucinations. But, like I said, it's not my business what other people do.

[arT saveS]

Originally posted by Melonman64@Jun 12 2005, 02:41 PM
Limits would probably be the best solution for everything, yes. But, what about stuff like huffing? Sniff glue once, and there is a probability you will die, regardless of who you are.
Huffing is dumb. Period. I'm not trying to be hypocritical, but huffing can kill you in an instant. Weed and shrooms cannot. However to stay on my own side, it is their body, and if they know it can kill them, "that's their business."

[Rinkin]

Originally posted by J Money@Jun 7 2005, 12:51 AM
They should either legalize Marijuana or illegalize Alchohol.
I agree.

I would give explanations but I can't organize my thoughts at the moment.