Racism

[Shinoda_baby]

What do u think about racism?
Because I am doing a assessment on the book to Kill a Mockingbird and that has a lot of racist stuff in it.
Another good lesson in racism is taught in the movie A time to Kill.
pls put ur opinions on here.
and pls no racist comments.

[Louis]

I hate racism, are you kidding me? You don't know how many times I have to deal with racism each week. It's pretty frustrating. I hate the whole fucking issue and wish that people could just get along some of the time instead of judging people by their color, heritage, or race.

To Kill a Mockingbird contains many examples of racism, and it's an excellent book.

[Doctor Manhattan]

I grew up around semi-racists. My uncle & grandfather are both racist in some aspects, but I've been around them for 15 years, so I've learned to just laugh and ignore it. My family has learned the same. I guess I've picked up a few of their racist habits, and I've displayed them, as few people on LPA know. I regret it, but I grew up with it. I can't just change what I've grown up around in a day, you know?

Say what you will about me, but whatever, I really don't care. I grew up around it, and it'll take awhile for it to be fully removed from my being, that is, if it's ever removed completely.

[gozorninplat]

Racism is a ridiculous idea really (IMO). It's like thinking a dog is inferior to other dogs because it's fur is black (or white or brown, depending). People don't generally think that way about other things except for other human beings, and I don't understand why. Hmm, I hope that all makes sense. Probably doesn't though :P

[Todd]

Originally posted by Casey@Jun 2 2005, 10:45 PM
I grew up around semi-racists. My uncle & grandfather are both racist in some aspects, but I've been around them for 15 years, so I've learned to just laugh and ignore it. My family has learned the same. I guess I've picked up a few of their racist habits, and I've displayed them, as few people on LPA know. I regret it, but I grew up with it. I can't just change what I've grown up around in a day, you know?

Say what you will about me, but whatever, I really don't care. I grew up around it, and it'll take awhile for it to be fully removed from my being, that is, if it's ever removed completely.
My grandparents are racist as well. They believe that anyone who isn't a white Jew is less than a human being, which pisses me off. They use the n-word all the time, they use the word "schvartze" which is the Yiddish word for a black person (its a derogitory term, saying it is just as bad as the n-word) all the time. My cousin is marrying a Korean girl and they're having a fit, they have something against interacial couples and aren't afraid to say it. When I was talking to them about college and my (former) roommate and mentioned he was a disgusting pig who never showered and had no hygene, the first words out of my grandma's mouth were "Is he black?" obviously implying that she believes they're disgusting or something. We've learned to just ignore it. It pisses me off very much and if the conversation is going downhill with racist remarks, I make sure to change the subject.

[Louis]

Originally posted by Todd+Jun 3 2005, 04:12 AM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (Todd @ Jun 3 2005, 04:12 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> <!--QuoteBegin--Casey@Jun 2 2005, 10:45 PM
I grew up around semi-racists. My uncle & grandfather are both racist in some aspects, but I've been around them for 15 years, so I've learned to just laugh and ignore it. My family has learned the same. I guess I've picked up a few of their racist habits, and I've displayed them, as few people on LPA know. I regret it, but I grew up with it. I can't just change what I've grown up around in a day, you know?

Say what you will about me, but whatever, I really don't care. I grew up around it, and it'll take awhile for it to be fully removed from my being, that is, if it's ever removed completely.
My grandparents are racist as well. They believe that anyone who isn't a white Jew is less than a human being, which pisses me off. They use the n-word all the time, they use the word "schvartze" which is the Yiddish word for a black person (its a derogitory term, saying it is just as bad as the n-word) all the time. My cousin is marrying a Korean girl and they're having a fit, they have something against interacial couples and aren't afraid to say it. When I was talking to them about college and my (former) roommate and mentioned he was a disgusting pig who never showered and had no hygene, the first words out of my grandma's mouth were "Is he black?" obviously implying that she believes they're disgusting or something. We've learned to just ignore it. It pisses me off very much and if the conversation is going downhill with racist remarks, I make sure to change the subject. [/b][/quote]
I know exactly what you mean. My parents...like, they're not exactly racist. But I went to this girl's party and she was hispanic and my mom asked me before the party, "Is she hispanic?" I said to my parents that they are racist.

[Doctor Manhattan]

Yeah, my grandpa says the n-word alot. My Uncle & I have conversations about mexicans often, which stems from me complaining about my High School requiring spanish classes on a particular path, but not offering any other foreign languages that I'm interested in (German) except for French. But who wants to learn French, honestly. Anyways.

I'm not afraid to indulge in "racist" coversations with my uncle, since I do have a bad feeling towards just generally America about how we have to learn spanish in schools so we can go and get a job, but they don't have to learn our language. I know they take English, but it doesn't mean they'll learn english, you know? I don't know, I think it's bullshit.

I don't have anything against black people though. I use the n-word on MSN when I'm talking to my friends, but they know I'm joking, and I'm not just saying that. Plus it's Tennessee. I can't afford to be racist towards blacks. I'd get my ass beat daily.

[Louis]

Originally posted by Casey@Jun 3 2005, 04:17 AM
Yeah, my grandpa says the n-word alot. My Uncle & I have conversations about mexicans often, which stems from me complaining about my High School requiring spanish classes on a particular path, but not offering any other foreign languages that I'm interested in (German) except for French. But who wants to learn French, honestly. Anyways.

I'm not afraid to indulge in "racist" coversations with my uncle, since I do have a bad feeling towards just generally America about how we have to learn spanish in schools so we can go and get a job, but they don't have to learn our language. I know they take English, but it doesn't mean they'll learn english, you know? I don't know, I think it's bullshit.

I don't have anything against black people though. I use the n-word on MSN when I'm talking to my friends, but they know I'm joking, and I'm not just saying that. Plus it's Tennessee. I can't afford to be racist towards blacks. I'd get my ass beat daily.
Me and my friend do the same...with the n-word thing, but it's all a joke and we never mean it. Never have and never will.

I personally think that the only reason people can be racist against Mexicans is due to the fact that they have been shown to commit crimes more often (no offense but it's on the news). I find that to be mean, and it's usually Black or Hispanic people which recieve worse punishments from a crime than whites do.

[Doctor Manhattan]

1 out of 3 black people are in prison, or so I've heard. But that's neither here nor there.

I have nothing against mexicans, it's just that I wish America didn't have to surrender to them and make it virtually law that we have to learn spanish in order to get around, and work with them, etc. If I was in Mexico, I'd learn the language. But I'm not, they're in America. Why can't they learn English? Gah.

Other than that, I'm fine with them. I like Taco Bell. Although it's weird, I went to Mexico on vacation last year, and their nachos sucked ass. I thought they'd taste really, really good.

Anyways.

[CloserToCrawling]

My parents are extreme racists and homophobes. The minute I talk about having a black friend or knowing a Mexican classmate, they immediately resort to unfair stereotypes. It's ridiculous. There isn't a single conversation that I've had with my parents concerning race without it ending in complete disaster and argument. I think racism is completely unacceptable. Some people resort to racism because they've seen too many people "of that kind" do certain things to annoy them, such as reckless driving or apathetic work-habits. But lazy people and useless people of society come in every culture and color, thus proving that racism is despicable.

[Holiday]

honestly....black ppl kinda scare me. i dunno why though. its not like they have ever done anything to me.

but personally im not racist. i completely forget that someone is of another race when i h/o w/ them. for me its all about the person. if you are a nice person, you are a nice person and i like that.

[electricM]

i am absolutely against racism and people who tolerate and practise racist acts. i despise it and them. also i absolutely DESPISE homophobics....i am absolutely disgusted with anyone who is 'scared' or does not like gay people because they happen to be attracted to some members of the same sex. i really dont see whats wrong with it. its not a disease people....u wont catch it if u go too close :rolleyes:



of course this is completely IMO. so dont rip me apart if u dont agree, ok?

[Tom]

racism is just wrong , and every person on the earth should just get along

[Hundiraev]

we will never 'all just get along'. if racism went away there'd always be something else as degrading and pathetic to replace it. but anyhoo, my opinion on racism. it makes me sick. my grandparents are semi racist, and to have to sit in a room and listen to them make some of the coments they do it makes me feel very very uncomfortable. also my dad has made a few homophobic remarks in the past and recently, but to him i will voice my opinion (basicly say 'sit down and shut up, you don't know what you're talking about' as he has no gay/lesbian/bi friends whatsoever, where as i do.) and he now makes an effort not to say anything around me about anything to do with race, sexuality, or anything else people cannot determine. (he has made racist remarks before aswell, to which i just tell him to shut up) so over all i hate racism. i know people use the n word just for a joke and that doesnt bother me that much, but i know a few people who use it as an insult (there is one extremely racist kid at my school) and i just feel like standing up and going insane at them.

[Neil]

You have to remember , To Kill A Mockingbird isn't really racist, because at the time it was written, that's the way traditional values were.

[hybrid_fan]

my parents are homophobes...and a little racists...
I can't understand why they can't accept the diffrent people

[Glenn]

I still find using the n word as a joke offensive. I wish people could stop using it all together, whether they are racist or not. I'm not racist but there are probably 3 or 4 black people who go to my school so it's kind of different when we see new students who enter our school and are black.

[Weezy]

To Kill a Mockingbird is a great book. :)

Well about racism, I live in San Francisco. It's great here.. all types of people are here; white, black, asian. Race isn't much of an issue here (though it isn't exactly non-existant). I don't think I know any super-racist people, especially people who have grown up here.

At least our generation seems to be more accepting than the older generation. Super-racist people tend to be older people.

I'm not sure which type of people I hate more. Racists or homophobes.

[Chris(tmas)]

Im not a racist, but i can make jokes about certain people.

[Ander]

Originally posted by Todd@Jun 2 2005, 08:12 PM
My grandparents are racist as well. They believe that anyone who isn't a white Jew is less than a human being, which pisses me off. They use the n-word all the time, they use the word "schvartze" which is the Yiddish word for a black person (its a derogitory term, saying it is just as bad as the n-word) all the time. My cousin is marrying a Korean girl and they're having a fit, they have something against interacial couples and aren't afraid to say it. When I was talking to them about college and my (former) roommate and mentioned he was a disgusting pig who never showered and had no hygene, the first words out of my grandma's mouth were "Is he black?" obviously implying that she believes they're disgusting or something. We've learned to just ignore it. It pisses me off very much and if the conversation is going downhill with racist remarks, I make sure to change the subject.
Dang. Hitler loves and hates your family at the same time.

Me? I'm not racist. I'm just prejudice. It's like, I dont hate on people, but if you're my friend and of a different race we'll run dozens on each other about fried chicken, fried rice, refried beans, and whatever fried/refried stuff white people eat all the time.

[ScrewOff]

i think racism is wrong and reflects ignorance.

[Danielle]

I personally don't like racism but here about 95% of the population are white/caucasian and too amny of them are racists. My whole family are like that, they aren't as bad as some people, but their morals and opions are somewhat dated! I think the S word is far more horrible than the n word.

[FreeYourMind]

Originally posted by Weezy@Jun 3 2005, 09:07 PM


Well about racism, I live in San Francisco. It's great here.. all types of people are here; white, black, asian. Race isn't much of an issue here (though it isn't exactly non-existant). I don't think I know any super-racist people, especially people who have grown up here.


Same here, Hey I lived in SF for a while too, and I've notice that too.

[Luke/Hellflame]

Here in the UK you get alot of Racism,particularly outside of London. Being mixed race myself I think people who are racist deserve to be stranded on their own island somewhere so they wont have to worry about being surrounded by 'racialy impure' people.

The last person I saw being racist I knocked over the head with a fairly large stone which saw me getting a week suspension from school while the person who was being racist pretty much got away with just a warning.

[KirbyRockz]

Although I myself am not racist, I do enjoy a racist joke now and then.

[Geki]

I'm not racist, but my Dad and Grandparents are. Take today for example, we were driving to get Ice Cream and at a stoplight, we stopped and were next to a person with loud rap in his car. My Dad said, ''He Must be black right'', while looking at him. Does he really want to get shot? Especially in that area we were in. He would deserve it too. Who cares if he's black, white, asian, green, reg, or blue? Then today he yelled at me because I was listening to Ass Like That by Eminem. I really hate it, and I refuse to become a racist because it is wrong and people shouldn't be treated worse or better because of the color of their skin.

[RX8LP]

Yeh i think evryones opinion on racism is pretty much the same unless your a racist yourself. Im black, and obviously i think racism is wrong. But ive come to realise that some people are racist towards a certain type of culture and not towards whether they be black or not. I have a friend whos is homophobic and hates all asians but hangs around a lot of blacks. And he never tells me why he hates them...for no reason at all. Ill never understand those kind of people.

[Weezy]

Just hope our generation is better with racism than the last. :)

[Melonman64]

I despise racism and anyone who is racist/homophobic should die. Now. One kid at my school appears to be racist towards the whole human race. Yes, you read that correctly. He calls anyone who pisses him off a *** and a loser. Almost everyone hates him. I wouldn't be surprised if he himself was gay and just insecure about himself.

[.in.the.shadows.]

My father is somewhat racist. And when I accuse him of it he comes back with the most disgusting thing I've ever heard: "Can you blame me for hating the damn [n-word]s? The way they act!"

It's absolutely horrible and I hate it. Unfortunately, I've caught myself beginning to act like him and it sickens me.

[Whimsicality]

The race issue is weird where I live. There's a little racism, but not as bad as a lot of areas. But what's strange is the self-imposed segregation. White and black people are very friendly to one and another, say hello to each other at the grocery store, that kind of thing, but for the most part socialize with and live near with their own race. I don't really get it.

And racisim and homophobia don't make me that mad, most of the time, just very very depressed. I have a friend who is in all respects the nicest, sweetest person I know, except one: she says she hates gays and lesbians. And I can't blame her for it that much because she was raised to believe it was wrong (her mom is exactly the same as she is--very nice but against homosexuality, and I don't know her dad) but at the same time it just makes me sad.

[mia_lp]

Originally posted by Testorz@Jun 3 2005, 12:43 PM
we will never 'all just get along'.
yes we will.. if every one followed the Biblical principles. i see that on a small scale within my family circle and that of my friends.. it just nedes to happen on a global scale

[Andrea]

Originally posted by mia_lp+Jun 5 2005, 09:05 PM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (mia_lp @ Jun 5 2005, 09:05 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> <!--QuoteBegin--Testorz@Jun 3 2005, 12:43 PM
we will never 'all just get along'.
yes we will.. if every one followed the Biblical principles. [/b][/quote]
Well, unfortunately not everyone believes in that, so it will never happen.

[Doctor Manhattan]

Originally posted by Whimsicality@Jun 5 2005, 07:55 PM
The race issue is weird where I live. There's a little racism, but not as bad as a lot of areas. But what's strange is the self-imposed segregation. White and black people are very friendly to one and another, say hello to each other at the grocery store, that kind of thing, but for the most part socialize with and live near with their own race. I don't really get it.

And racisim and homophobia don't make me that mad, most of the time, just very very depressed. I have a friend who is in all respects the nicest, sweetest person I know, except one: she says she hates gays and lesbians. And I can't blame her for it that much because she was raised to believe it was wrong (her mom is exactly the same as she is--very nice but against homosexuality, and I don't know her dad) but at the same time it just makes me sad.
My mom is the same way, except she wasn't raised to believe that way, it's just that she's a hardcore Christian and believes it's wrong. I can't fault her for that because she respects what I believe in even if she doesn't believe in it, so I choose to do the same with her beliefs.

I wish more people could be like that, I really do. Instead, most people try to force their opinions and beliefs on peope and the world just doesn't work that way. If you ever want mankind to all "just get along" you have to respect their beliefs, not force yours on someone, like Mia is suggesting. It just won't work. This isn't aimed at you Lyndie, by the way.

[Whimsicality]

Originally posted by Casey+Jun 5 2005, 09:29 PM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (Casey @ Jun 5 2005, 09:29 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> <!--QuoteBegin--Whimsicality@Jun 5 2005, 07:55 PM
The race issue is weird where I live. There's a little racism, but not as bad as a lot of areas. But what's strange is the self-imposed segregation. White and black people are very friendly to one and another, say hello to each other at the grocery store, that kind of thing, but for the most part socialize with and live near with their own race. I don't really get it.

And racisim and homophobia don't make me that mad, most of the time, just very very depressed. I have a* friend who is in all respects the nicest, sweetest person I know, except one: she says she hates gays and lesbians. And I can't blame her for it that much because she was raised to believe it was wrong (her mom is exactly the same as she is--very nice but against homosexuality, and I don't know her dad) but at the same time it just makes me sad.
My mom is the same way, except she wasn't raised to believe that way, it's just that she's a hardcore Christian and believes it's wrong. I can't fault her for that because she respects what I believe in even if she doesn't believe in it, so I choose to do the same with her beliefs.

I wish more people could be like that, I really do. Instead, most people try to force their opinions and beliefs on peope and the world just doesn't work that way. If you ever want mankind to all "just get along" you have to respect their beliefs, not force yours on someone, like Mia is suggesting. It just won't work. This isn't aimed at you Lyndie, by the way. [/b][/quote]
I agree completely. You can't force people into seeing things your way, even if you think "your way" will bring eternal peace to the world.

I was reading Dumbing Us Down by John Gatto the the other day, which is actually a book about the U.S. education system, but some of the things he talks about apply to racism and homobobia as well. Excerpt from page 86, where he has been talking about colonial New England-There, in a community that had whipped a half-naked Quaker women, stood I--a Roman Catholic with a Scots Presbyterian wife, accompanied by my good friend Roland, half pagan, half Jewish--in a Unitarian Universalist church that had once been Congregational. No act of Massachusetts legislature made that possible, no pronouncement of the Supreme Court. People learned to be neighbors in Dedham because for three hundred years they were allowed real choice, inlcuding the choice to make their own mistakes. Everyone learned a better way to deal with difference then exclusion because they had tome to think about itand to work it through--time measured in generations.

So basically, he's saying that this town healed religious discrimination on it's own over the course of several centuries. It's something that makes you think, at the very least.

If I didn't like my before mentioned friend because she was against homosexuality and I'm not, it would be my loss for excluding someone from my life who constantly goes out of her way to help other people. She accepts my beliefs so I accept hers, even if we disagree.

[Gluez]

I'm not racist. I don't know why there are some people out there are racist. :angry:

[USAF.07]

Amazing...millions of years of human evolution and some humans out there still believe that others are inferior to them because of the way they look on the outside? Racism disgusts me, I have no respect for any racists, no matter if it was what they were raised with or whatever, here in 2005 there is no excuse. It was sad our nation basically had to force change in the South during the Civil Rights movement, absolutely shameful. With that being said I'd love to see the Confederate Flag banned because of this, it's nothing more than a racist symbol used under the false "Southern hertitage" lie, complete bullshit! Everyone knows what it means....you're proud of a Confederate government that wanted slavery, pure and simple. And no the South won't rise again, because the North would beat it back down and occupy it, just like last time; If I ever got into high level politics I would be sure to rid our nation of all racist symbols...free speech be damned, you don't see many Nazi flags around do you?...The Confederate flag equates to the same ideals.

[Whimsicality]

Originally posted by USAF.07@Jun 8 2005, 12:24 PM
Amazing...millions of years of human evolution and some humans out there still believe that others are inferior to them because of the way they look on the outside? Racism disgusts me, I have no respect for any racists, no matter if it was what they were raised with or whatever, here in 2005 there is no excuse. It was sad our nation basically had to force change in the South during the Civil Rights movement, absolutely shameful. With that being said I'd love to see the Confederate Flag banned because of this, it's nothing more than a racist symbol used under the false "Southern hertitage" lie, complete bullshit! Everyone knows what it means....you're proud of a Confederate government that wanted slavery, pure and simple. And no the South won't rise again, because the North would beat it back down and occupy it, just like last time; If I ever got into high level politics I would be sure to rid our nation of all racist symbols...free speech be damned, you don't see many Nazi flags around do you?...The Confederate flag equates to the same ideals.
How would banning racist symbols stop racism? A symbol has no natural connection to the thing it represents. Racists will still be racists weather they wave a confederate flag or not.

Plus, if the government were to ban symbols because they were racist, that opens the door for banning other symbols under the excuse that they're offensive. And eventually you'll run into gray area over what's
"offensive."

[Doctor Manhattan]

Originally posted by USAF.07@Jun 8 2005, 11:24 AM
Amazing...millions of years of human evolution and some humans out there still believe that others are inferior to them because of the way they look on the outside? Racism disgusts me, I have no respect for any racists, no matter if it was what they were raised with or whatever, here in 2005 there is no excuse. It was sad our nation basically had to force change in the South during the Civil Rights movement, absolutely shameful. With that being said I'd love to see the Confederate Flag banned because of this, it's nothing more than a racist symbol used under the false "Southern hertitage" lie, complete bullshit! Everyone knows what it means....you're proud of a Confederate government that wanted slavery, pure and simple. And no the South won't rise again, because the North would beat it back down and occupy it, just like last time; If I ever got into high level politics I would be sure to rid our nation of all racist symbols...free speech be damned, you don't see many Nazi flags around do you?...The Confederate flag equates to the same ideals.
Wow.

[.in.the.shadows.]

Originally posted by USAF.07@Jun 8 2005, 11:24 AM
Amazing...millions of years of human evolution and some humans out there still believe that others are inferior to them because of the way they look on the outside? Racism disgusts me, I have no respect for any racists, no matter if it was what they were raised with or whatever, here in 2005 there is no excuse. It was sad our nation basically had to force change in the South during the Civil Rights movement, absolutely shameful. With that being said I'd love to see the Confederate Flag banned because of this, it's nothing more than a racist symbol used under the false "Southern hertitage" lie, complete bullshit! Everyone knows what it means....you're proud of a Confederate government that wanted slavery, pure and simple. And no the South won't rise again, because the North would beat it back down and occupy it, just like last time; If I ever got into high level politics I would be sure to rid our nation of all racist symbols...free speech be damned, you don't see many Nazi flags around do you?...The Confederate flag equates to the same ideals.
But then that's just taking away someone's civil rights. First Amendment. Free Speech. They're free to practice what they believe.

And besides, banning a flag won't do anything. Not only does it not change what they think, but it's also jsut going to make them believe even stronger.

It's like telling a child they can't go to that party because it's on a school night. That party is off limits and therefore (for some reason) more desirable. So what does the child do? He sneeks out after dark and goes to the part anyway because he's rebellious.

Not the best analogy, but it gets the point across.

[mia_lp]

Originally posted by Whimsicality@Jun 6 2005, 07:22 PM
She accepts my beliefs so I accept hers, even if we disagree.
but if one was to strongly disagree, then one would not accept the deeds of that person.

and by the way i am not trying to say anything. because saying anything that states my own opinion will get replies like..'you can't change the world' and 'accept other people as they are' and the like..

but i'll say this. soon enough suicide will be viewed as a good thing to do. in other words our society's morals are slowly going downhill now and will plunge to their fall very soon. you'd have to be silly not to see that. 50 years ago.. gay and lesbians were looked down on. abortion was illegal, euthenasia blah blah and the list goes on. now it;s accepted. to the benefit of its people they say. i don't know about that... i'm guessing most of you guys here would think that weshould just accept what's coming our way. but you gotta think twice about these things.

[Whimsicality]

Originally posted by mia_lp+Jun 8 2005, 06:40 PM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (mia_lp @ Jun 8 2005, 06:40 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> <!--QuoteBegin--Whimsicality@Jun 6 2005, 07:22 PM
She accepts my beliefs so I accept hers, even if we disagree.
but if one was to strongly disagree, then one would not accept the deeds of that person.

and by the way i am not trying to say anything. because saying anything that states my own opinion will get replies like..'you can't change the world' and 'accept other people as they are' and the like..

but i'll say this. soon enough suicide will be viewed as a good thing to do. in other words our society's morals are slowly going downhill now and will plunge to their fall very soon. you'd have to be silly not to see that. 50 years ago.. gay and lesbians were looked down on. abortion was illegal, euthenasia blah blah and the list goes on. now it;s accepted. to the benefit of its people they say. i don't know about that... i'm guessing most of you guys here would think that weshould just accept what's coming our way. but you gotta think twice about these things. [/b][/quote]
I'm not sure I get what you're trying to say.

[Melonman64]

I believe Whimsicality means that we're in a downward spiral toward te bottom. And we will keep going down. Unless we think about what we are doing. Or something like that.

[Whimsicality]

Originally posted by Melonman64@Jun 9 2005, 06:33 PM
I believe Whimsicality means that we're in a downward spiral toward te bottom. And we will keep going down. Unless we think about what we are doing. Or something like that.
You mean what Mia means? :)

[I Don't Need No Accuser]

If my post comes off as racist then that's your opinion, but I don't consider myself racist, I'll explain myself.

I grow up in Atlantic City and my experience is that the majority of mexicans and black kids are what make that city so dangerous and trashy today. It makes me mad when people say ''Yea just because they have a different skin color they automatically get the blame,'' BULL SHIT. Look at rappers and kids who dress and act ghetto. Your whole ''culture'' is about guns and comitting crimes, so of course they're gonna pick you in a lineup. It's not because you're black, it just so happens that the majority of the people in this violent fad happen to be black. I don't have a problem with black people or any other race however, But if I come across as that, o well.

[arT saveS]

Alright first of all, let me say that as far as I know, I'm not racist, and I agree a lot with what I Don't Need No Accuser. Now let me say my peace.

I'm sick of people saying racism is wrong. No, I don't believe it's right for people to hate others for their ethnicity, background, or religion. But it's no ones right to say racism is wrong, because many people are raised like that, especially older people. You saying racism is wrong is like me saying your religion is dumb. I don't have the right to say that, I don't know what your religion is, and I don't know what your religion is like. I wasn't raised being religious so I can't say it's wrong for you to be religious because I don't know what it's like. So stop being ignorant, stupid and oddly hypocritical, saying you hate every single racist out there, makes you no different obviously, fucking racist.

[Leones]

An opinion isn't the same as a race you know.

I'm not a racist at all, respect everyone from every race. But I do not like the attitude of some races. Attitude isn't colour, it's character. I said on this board I didn't like Turkish people where I live. It is not because they are Turkish but it is because of how they act. Don't ever confuse that. And I think being a racist is wrong. Raised with it or not, it's still not something that can be talked right. You're a racist if you dislike or hate people because of how they look, the colour, background, birthplace. Things that don't really matter. If you dislike or hate people for a real reason, something that does matter, then you are not a racist, but you have an opinion. Ofcourse I don't dislike all Turkish people, how can I? It's just a small group I don't like. If someone say 'I hate dutch people because they are white.' I will stand up to that, but if someone says 'I hate a group of dutch people because they have alot of attitude' I'll leave it with that because it's none of my business then.

[Holiday]

I completely agree with Leones. That was very nicely put.

[arT saveS]

Originally posted by Leones@Jun 10 2005, 03:46 AM
An opinion isn't the same as a race you know.

I'm not a racist at all, respect everyone from every race. But I do not like the attitude of some races. Attitude isn't colour, it's character. I said on this board I didn't like Turkish people where I live. It is not because they are Turkish but it is because of how they act. Don't ever confuse that. And I think being a racist is wrong. Raised with it or not, it's still not something that can be talked right. You're a racist if you dislike or hate people because of how they look, the colour, background, birthplace. Things that don't really matter. If you dislike or hate people for a real reason, something that does matter, then you are not a racist, but you have an opinion. Ofcourse I don't dislike all Turkish people, how can I? It's just a small group I don't like. If someone say 'I hate dutch people because they are white.' I will stand up to that, but if someone says 'I hate a group of dutch people because they have alot of attitude' I'll leave it with that because it's none of my business then.
Everyone has opinions, that's fine. That's what racism is. Opinion. My point was it's not fair for someone to say that they hate racists, because what's the difference between the person that hates racists and the racist?

[Aaron]

Originally posted by fall.into.sleep+Jun 10 2005, 03:44 PM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (fall.into.sleep @ Jun 10 2005, 03:44 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> <!--QuoteBegin--Leones@Jun 10 2005, 03:46 AM
An opinion isn't the same as a race you know.

I'm not a racist at all, respect everyone from every race. But I do not like the attitude of some races. Attitude isn't colour, it's character. I said on this board I didn't like Turkish people where I live. It is not because they are Turkish but it is because of how they act. Don't ever confuse that. And I think being a racist is wrong. Raised with it or not, it's still not something that can be talked right. You're a racist if you dislike or hate people because of how they look, the colour, background, birthplace. Things that don't really matter. If you dislike or hate people for a real reason, something that does matter, then you are not a racist, but you have an opinion. Ofcourse I don't dislike all Turkish people, how can I? It's just a small group I don't like. If someone say 'I hate dutch people because they are white.' I will stand up to that, but if someone says 'I hate a group of dutch people because they have alot of attitude' I'll leave it with that because it's none of my business then.
Everyone has opinions, that's fine. That's what racism is. Opinion. My point was it's not fair for someone to say that they hate racists, because what's the difference between the person that hates racists and the racist? [/b][/quote]
One hates the race, the other hates the race hater.

[Ander]

Originally posted by fall.into.sleep@Jun 9 2005, 08:30 PM
So stop being ignorant, stupid and oddly hypocritical, saying you hate every single racist out there, makes you no different obviously, fucking racist.
Assuming all the world's racism can be accredited to one race.

*cough*caucasoid*cough*

[Leones]

Originally posted by Aaron+Jun 10 2005, 08:24 PM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (Aaron @ Jun 10 2005, 08:24 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> Originally posted by -fall.into.sleep@Jun 10 2005, 03:44 PM
<!--QuoteBegin--Leones@Jun 10 2005, 03:46 AM
An opinion isn't the same as a race you know.

I'm not a racist at all, respect everyone from every race. But I do not like the attitude of some races. Attitude isn't colour, it's character. I said on this board I didn't like Turkish people where I live. It is not because they are Turkish but it is because of how they act. Don't ever confuse that. And I think being a racist is wrong. Raised with it or not, it's still not something that can be talked right. You're a racist if you dislike or hate people because of how they look, the colour, background, birthplace. Things that don't really matter. If you dislike or hate people for a real reason, something that does matter, then you are not a racist, but you have an opinion. Ofcourse I don't dislike all Turkish people, how can I? It's just a small group I don't like. If someone say 'I hate dutch people because they are white.' I will stand up to that, but if someone says 'I hate a group of dutch people because they have alot of attitude' I'll leave it with that because it's none of my business then.
Everyone has opinions, that's fine. That's what racism is. Opinion. My point was it's not fair for someone to say that they hate racists, because what's the difference between the person that hates racists and the racist?
One hates the race, the other hates the race hater. [/b][/quote]
^_^

[Aaron]

Originally posted by Leones+Jun 10 2005, 04:06 PM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (Leones @ Jun 10 2005, 04:06 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> Originally posted by -Aaron@Jun 10 2005, 08:24 PM
Originally posted by -fall.into.sleep@Jun 10 2005, 03:44 PM
<!--QuoteBegin--Leones@Jun 10 2005, 03:46 AM
An opinion isn't the same as a race you know.

I'm not a racist at all, respect everyone from every race. But I do not like the attitude of some races. Attitude isn't colour, it's character. I said on this board I didn't like Turkish people where I live. It is not because they are Turkish but it is because of how they act. Don't ever confuse that. And I think being a racist is wrong. Raised with it or not, it's still not something that can be talked right. You're a racist if you dislike or hate people because of how they look, the colour, background, birthplace. Things that don't really matter. If you dislike or hate people for a real reason, something that does matter, then you are not a racist, but you have an opinion. Ofcourse I don't dislike all Turkish people, how can I? It's just a small group I don't like. If someone say 'I hate dutch people because they are white.' I will stand up to that, but if someone says 'I hate a group of dutch people because they have alot of attitude' I'll leave it with that because it's none of my business then.
Everyone has opinions, that's fine. That's what racism is. Opinion. My point was it's not fair for someone to say that they hate racists, because what's the difference between the person that hates racists and the racist?
One hates the race, the other hates the race hater.
^_^ [/b][/quote]
So do we hate the racist haters who hate the racist?

We all hate one another in the end don't we?

Fuck, I knew the world was going nowhere.

[arT saveS]

:wth:





Assuming all the world's racism can be accredited to one race.
:wth: x2

[Melonman64]

Originally posted by Melonman64@Jun 9 2005, 06:33 PM
I believe Whimsicality means that we're in a downward spiral toward te bottom. And we will keep going down. Unless we think about what we are doing. Or something like that.
whatever, my brain hurts



oops wrong quote... well, this is what happens when you come home from a 10 hour field trip

[goso88]

I'm sick of people saying racism is wrong. No, I don't believe it's right for people to hate others for their ethnicity, background, or religion. But it's no ones right to say racism is wrong, because many people are raised like that, especially older people. You saying racism is wrong is like me saying your religion is dumb. I don't have the right to say that, I don't know what your religion is, and I don't know what your religion is like. I wasn't raised being religious so I can't say it's wrong for you to be religious because I don't know what it's like. So stop being ignorant, stupid and oddly hypocritical, saying you hate every single racist out there, makes you no different obviously, fucking racist.

Just because racism is UNDERSTANDABLE doesn't make it RIGHT. Sure, people who grew up around racism is going to be racist, and we can understand where they are coming from. But that doesn't mean racism isn't wrong.

With that said, we're all racist. Maybe not intentionally or hatefully, but at the very least subconsciously. We're human, and thats just the way it is.

[Whimsicality]

Originally posted by goso88@Jun 12 2005, 01:35 AM
With that said, we're all racist. Maybe not intentionally or hatefully, but at the very least subconsciously. We're human, and thats just the way it is.
I agree with that.

[Melonman64]

Which is why we should all be put on exactly the same level. As long as superiority in society exists, so will racism. And in this world, there are a lot of different levels in society, ranging from poor and homeless to rich and famous.

[I Don't Need No Accuser]

Originally posted by Melonman64@Jun 12 2005, 07:49 PM
Which is why we should all be put on exactly the same level. As long as superiority in society exists, so will racism. And in this world, there are a lot of different levels in society, ranging from poor and homeless to rich and famous.
If we were all put on the ''same level,'' that would mean there would be no competition. Competition is what makes America.

[Weezy]

It is impossible to put everyone "on the same level". It's natural for one to want to get higher than everyone else.

And this is why communism would never work. Except in theory.

[I Don't Need No Accuser]

Originally posted by Weezy@Jun 12 2005, 08:33 PM
It is impossible to put everyone "on the same level". It's natural for one to want to get higher than everyone else.

And this is why communism would never work. Except in theory.
Exactly, that is what fuels are economy, competition.

[Il inno di morte]

Originally posted by Whimsicality+Jun 12 2005, 08:17 AM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (Whimsicality @ Jun 12 2005, 08:17 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> <!--QuoteBegin--goso88@Jun 12 2005, 01:35 AM
With that said, we're all racist. Maybe not intentionally or hatefully, but at the very least subconsciously. We're human, and thats just the way it is.
I agree with that. [/b][/quote]
That's very true. think about it, even if you hate a minority for the things they do or the way they act, you're still hating a group thats makes ands says such things, just like if you say you hate black people for being black or mexican people for being mexican.
I, as a mexican, believe that many people have a really wrong idea when it comes to us. in the first place, you have to know we aren't all the same, and i hate when the acts of some stupid guys makes people associate that with all the race or all the people living in a country.
Anyway, i respect all people and treasure them for who they are, not because of their skin color or their country. If we all learn how to respect each other and get along, things could work out. Unfortunately, as some said, competition and the thirst for being in an upper level is always on people's minds.