as live as you think?

[ChooseYourPoison]

I was watching LIT on monday and I realized that during "Don't Stay" a lot of Brad's strumming doesn't match up with the music. Same with Figure 0.9 with Phoenix's base. I also noticed that during Papercut Mike's words don't always match up with the music either. Is there an explination to this, or am I just insane?

[Louis]

Insanity is an option.

It's the stupid DVD thing. It just sounds bad because of how they recorded it. The chinese DVD of LIT is much better.

[Todd]

I have seen DVD players occasionally get the audio and video out of sync on other movies. Usually you need to stop the movie and resume for it to re-sync

[Dr. Octagonapus]

For the last time: (I feel like I've explained this a million times)

Live in Texas' footage was recorded at 2 shows, and the video was spliced together. The video you see isn't necessarily from the same song you hear, hell it isn't necessarily even from the same concert as the audio. On Don't Stay for example, you can see shots of Brad holding a black guitar, and shots of him holding a red guitar. He only uses the black one to play Don't Stay, but they used footage from throughout the 2 concerts for the song. The DVD is basically a montage of live footage from the 2 concerts spliced over audio with some songs from one concert and some from the other.

The audio is live, nothing was dubbed or re-recorded in a studio. The video just doesn't always match up with what you hear because that's just how it was edited together.

[Geki]

They probably make their live performance's better too.

[Glenn]

I think it's stupid to splice them together. I think they should have just kept it raw.

[Doctor Manhattan]

Marilyn Manson & Nine Inch Nails have done this before too.

[Louis]

Originally posted by SaxopianoGRD@Jun 5 2005, 03:09 AM
I think it's stupid to splice them together. I think they should have just kept it raw.
Agreed.

[Neil]

I can vouch that LP plays everything themselves. I have tons of bootlegs of them fucking up live :lol:

[JJ]

i have a few bootlegs where the guys mess up

[coma]

I think Live in Texas is.....LIVE.
^_^

[Chris(tmas)]

Originally posted by coma@Jun 8 2005, 03:46 PM
I think Live in Texas is.....LIVE.
^_^
reeaaaally?

[coma]

yes....why? :shifty:

[Andrea]

*hand to forehead*




:rolleyes:

[Yippi Cola]

Originally posted by Neil@Jun 5 2005, 05:38 AM
I can vouch that LP plays everything themselves. I have tons of bootlegs of them fucking up live :lol:
Berlin 09.12.2001...there were at least 5 mistakes in that show (sorry for offtopic)

I don't like that how they made the crowd too quiet on LIT...

[the_chemist]

For the last time: (I feel like I've explained this a million times)

Live in Texas' footage was recorded at 2 shows, and the video was spliced together. The video you see isn't necessarily from the same song you hear, hell it isn't necessarily even from the same concert as the audio. On Don't Stay for example, you can see shots of Brad holding a black guitar, and shots of him holding a red guitar. He only uses the black one to play Don't Stay, but they used footage from throughout the 2 concerts for the song. The DVD is basically a montage of live footage from the 2 concerts spliced over audio with some songs from one concert and some from the other.

The audio is live, nothing was dubbed or re-recorded in a studio. The video just doesn't always match up with what you hear because that's just how it was edited together.
god, thx, i've always wanted an explanation about the idea of having filmed the DVD at two shows. i never understood it.

[Christopher]

i totally agree that they shouldn't put the 2 shows together but are we experts in DVD recording ? :P i think not (can be wrong) so maybe it's better like this. One thing i think is really weird they say about a thousand times like "see these extra cameras on stage it's just to film you guys in the crowd" but you don't really see much of the crowd a specially not when they say they're going to film the muchpit at the end of the dvd and you only see it very short.

BUT STILL THINK ITS A GREAT CONCERT DVD !

[Dr. Octagonapus]

I think the reason they filmed 2 shows was to actually prevent from having to do overdubbing in the studio. By filming 2 shows, it made it so if they messed something up at one show, they could take the better of the 2 for that song, instead of having to go in the studio and fix it, which would make it a less-live DVD.

But realistically, it wouldn't surprise me at all if a little bit of dubbing/editing was done in the studio when they mixed the DVD. Most commercially successful live albums have some overdubbing done afterwards in the studio, for the simple reason that you can't do everything perfect at a live show, and the artists want to put out the best sounding material they can. One example that comes to mind is Kiss' Alive! album, from way back in 1975. That album has gone platinum at least 5 times over from what I remember, and they overdubbed/enhanced a lot of the vocals in the studio, as well as splicing together crowd cheering noises to make the crowd seem louder than it really was.

[Dart]

Originally posted by tasta@Jun 19 2005, 03:28 PM
I think the reason they filmed 2 shows was to actually prevent from having to do overdubbing in the studio. By filming 2 shows, it made it so if they messed something up at one show, they could take the better of the 2 for that song, instead of having to go in the studio and fix it, which would make it a less-live DVD.

But realistically, it wouldn't surprise me at all if a little bit of dubbing/editing was done in the studio when they mixed the DVD. Most commercially successful live albums have some overdubbing done afterwards in the studio, for the simple reason that you can't do everything perfect at a live show, and the artists want to put out the best sounding material they can. One example that comes to mind is Kiss' Alive! album, from way back in 1975. That album has gone platinum at least 5 times over from what I remember, and they overdubbed/enhanced a lot of the vocals in the studio, as well as splicing together crowd cheering noises to make the crowd seem louder than it really was.
well,that aint live anymore

[Scotty]

Originally posted by Dart+Jun 21 2005, 02:30 PM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (Dart @ Jun 21 2005, 02:30 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> <!--QuoteBegin--tasta@Jun 19 2005, 03:28 PM
I think the reason they filmed 2 shows was to actually prevent from having to do overdubbing in the studio. By filming 2 shows, it made it so if they messed something up at one show, they could take the better of the 2 for that song, instead of having to go in the studio and fix it, which would make it a less-live DVD.

But realistically, it wouldn't surprise me at all if a little bit of dubbing/editing was done in the studio when they mixed the DVD. Most commercially successful live albums have some overdubbing done afterwards in the studio, for the simple reason that you can't do everything perfect at a live show, and the artists want to put out the best sounding material they can. One example that comes to mind is Kiss' Alive! album, from way back in 1975. That album has gone platinum at least 5 times over from what I remember, and they overdubbed/enhanced a lot of the vocals in the studio, as well as splicing together crowd cheering noises to make the crowd seem louder than it really was.
well,that aint live anymore [/b][/quote]
You might as well say that the whole package shouldn't be called Live In Texas because it's a recording and the show isn't being played while you watch it. They spliced two performances together and overdubbed the result, so it is still a live album per se.

At least they didn't mess with the vocals. Chester sings remarkably well in his performance, although you can hear his voice starting to crack towards the end.

[Chris Luke]

Originally posted by Dart+Jun 21 2005, 08:30 AM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (Dart @ Jun 21 2005, 08:30 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> <!--QuoteBegin--tasta@Jun 19 2005, 03:28 PM
I think the reason they filmed 2 shows was to actually prevent from having to do overdubbing in the studio. By filming 2 shows, it made it so if they messed something up at one show, they could take the better of the 2 for that song, instead of having to go in the studio and fix it, which would make it a less-live DVD.

But realistically, it wouldn't surprise me at all if a little bit of dubbing/editing was done in the studio when they mixed the DVD. Most commercially successful live albums have some overdubbing done afterwards in the studio, for the simple reason that you can't do everything perfect at a live show, and the artists want to put out the best sounding material they can. One example that comes to mind is Kiss' Alive! album, from way back in 1975. That album has gone platinum at least 5 times over from what I remember, and they overdubbed/enhanced a lot of the vocals in the studio, as well as splicing together crowd cheering noises to make the crowd seem louder than it really was.
well,that aint live anymore [/b][/quote]
If that is your opinon on how a live cd/movie should be, than Nine Inch Nails, Story Of The Year, Cyndi Lauper, Kiss, and Metallica haven't released a live album. Come on, it was recorded and filmed at a true live show. It's automaticly a live album. They just edited it so you get the best preformance.

[Dr. Octagonapus]

Originally posted by Franny+Jun 21 2005, 02:23 PM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (Franny @ Jun 21 2005, 02:23 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> Originally posted by -Dart@Jun 21 2005, 08:30 AM
<!--QuoteBegin--tasta@Jun 19 2005, 03:28 PM
I think the reason they filmed 2 shows was to actually prevent from having to do overdubbing in the studio. By filming 2 shows, it made it so if they messed something up at one show, they could take the better of the 2 for that song, instead of having to go in the studio and fix it, which would make it a less-live DVD.

But realistically, it wouldn't surprise me at all if a little bit of dubbing/editing was done in the studio when they mixed the DVD. Most commercially successful live albums have some overdubbing done afterwards in the studio, for the simple reason that you can't do everything perfect at a live show, and the artists want to put out the best sounding material they can. One example that comes to mind is Kiss' Alive! album, from way back in 1975. That album has gone platinum at least 5 times over from what I remember, and they overdubbed/enhanced a lot of the vocals in the studio, as well as splicing together crowd cheering noises to make the crowd seem louder than it really was.
well,that aint live anymore
If that is your opinon on how a live cd/movie should be, than Nine Inch Nails, Story Of The Year, Cyndi Lauper, Kiss, and Metallica haven't released a live album. Come on, it was recorded and filmed at a true live show. It's automaticly a live album. They just edited it so you get the best preformance. [/b][/quote]
Exactly. I saw a thing on TV a while back about how Kiss overdubbed the vocals on the Alive! album, they didn't do it by choice, they did it because in some places Paul Stanley sang off-key to the point you wouldn't even want to listen to it. When you're at an actual concert you only hear things once, so the band can get away with imperfections and still sound good. A live album is still an album, and realistically you can't go out in a live setting and do everything perfectly.

And in any case, we dunno how much Live in Texas was really edited. I mean look at how LP played at Rock Am Ring 2004. That show was webcast live as it happened and then aired on TV subsequently, without being studio edited or mixed at all, and LP pulled of a nearly flawless performance. For the most part, any studio corrections done on a live album are done for the sake of the listener's ears, so really I don't see what the big deal is.

[Minus Xero]

Originally posted by tasta@Jun 21 2005, 06:00 PM
Exactly. I saw a thing on TV a while back about how Kiss overdubbed the vocals on the Alive! album, they didn't do it by choice, they did it because in some places Paul Stanley sang off-key to the point you wouldn't even want to listen to it. When you're at an actual concert you only hear things once, so the band can get away with imperfections and still sound good. A live album is still an album, and realistically you can't go out in a live setting and do everything perfectly.

And in any case, we dunno how much Live in Texas was really edited. I mean look at how LP played at Rock Am Ring 2004. That show was webcast live as it happened and then aired on TV subsequently, without being studio edited or mixed at all, and LP pulled of a nearly flawless performance. For the most part, any studio corrections done on a live album are done for the sake of the listener's ears, so really I don't see what the big deal is.
So here's my solution:

Recall every copy of Live In Texas and give us a copy of Live in Germany. :lol:

Then people can't compain about it not being as live as we think.

[Dr. Octagonapus]

Originally posted by Minus Xero+Jun 22 2005, 01:55 PM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (Minus Xero @ Jun 22 2005, 01:55 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> <!--QuoteBegin--tasta@Jun 21 2005, 06:00 PM
Exactly. I saw a thing on TV a while back about how Kiss overdubbed the vocals on the Alive! album, they didn't do it by choice, they did it because in some places Paul Stanley sang off-key to the point you wouldn't even want to listen to it. When you're at an actual concert you only hear things once, so the band can get away with imperfections and still sound good. A live album is still an album, and realistically you can't go out in a live setting and do everything perfectly.

And in any case, we dunno how much Live in Texas was really edited. I mean look at how LP played at Rock Am Ring 2004. That show was webcast live as it happened and then aired on TV subsequently, without being studio edited or mixed at all, and LP pulled of a nearly flawless performance. For the most part, any studio corrections done on a live album are done for the sake of the listener's ears, so really I don't see what the big deal is.
So here's my solution:

Recall every copy of Live In Texas and give us a copy of Live in Germany. :lol:

Then people can't compain about it not being as live as we think. [/b][/quote]
Rock Am Ring was a better show anyway. :chemist:

[IAlsoLikeLP]

Lol, i have a few live songs played at a small concert. rob starts hitting his electric drums to "a place for my head" instead of figure 0.9. then brad comes in with the gutair and puts rob back on track :lol:

[forgottenlp52]

Yea. I like when the crowds loud because it shows you that there playing good and that everyone there is loving it. And yea it should have just been raw video, nothing edited. Thats pretty much what alot of people thought they were paying for. But anyway its still a good performance.