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Creep
05-07-2005, 09:22 AM
I'm not sure which of these two players I should get.

Apple 20GB iPod M9282LL/A vs Creative Zen Touch 20GB - Compared (http://www.comparemp3.com/apple-ipod-vs-creative-zen-touch.php)

Overall the Ipod is superior as it has so many more features and supports more audio formats. What attracted me the most was that it can play .txt files which would be good on the move.

Which would you get/have? What cons have you noticed?


Any help would be much appreciated. ^_^

Dedicated
05-07-2005, 09:41 AM
I'd get the iPod. For one, it's smaller, yet has more features on it. It wins hands down. ^_^

Cale.
05-07-2005, 09:53 AM
iPod batteries suck and they are less reliable.

Neil
05-07-2005, 11:08 AM
The only thing I can see that makes the iPod crappy is the battery life, but theres tons of accessories you can get now.

Aaron
05-07-2005, 02:45 PM
Battery is the only problem. And I highly doubt you are going to use it for 12 hours straight without throwing it on the charger at one point in time.

The Creative is clearly outnumber in terms of functionality and design. The iPod is far more easier to use. Plus it has hundreds of accesories for it.

Get the Apple iPod for god sake, you'd be blowing away money on the Creative.

Louis
05-07-2005, 03:03 PM
Originally posted by Aaron@May 7 2005, 02:45 PM
Battery is the only problem. And I highly doubt you are going to use it for 12 hours straight without throwing it on the charger at one point in time.

The Creative is clearly outnumber in terms of functionality and design. The iPod is far more easier to use. Plus it has hundreds of accesories for it.

Get the Apple iPod for god sake, you'd be blowing away money on the Creative.
Took the words right out of my mouth.

Omar
05-07-2005, 04:34 PM
I have the new 20GB Ipod and there's no problem with battery. It's worth every penny.

Of course, there's about 12 hours per charge cycle, and about 500 charge cycles in the battery. Do the math and see how long it will last for you. Mine still got about 3 or 4 more years of use.

Minus
05-07-2005, 04:53 PM
Originally posted by Omar@May 7 2005, 10:34 AM
I have the new 20GB Ipod and there's no problem with battery. It's worth every penny.

Of course, there's about 12 hours per charge cycle, and about 500 charge cycles in the battery. Do the math and see how long it will last for you. Mine still got about 3 or 4 more years of use.
Someone stole my old 15gig, and now I'm saving for a 20 or more.

Mostly because I know I already have 15 gigs of music, and yeah.

Aaron
05-07-2005, 05:27 PM
Originally posted by Omar@May 7 2005, 02:04 PM
I have the new 20GB Ipod and there's no problem with battery. It's worth every penny.

Of course, there's about 12 hours per charge cycle, and about 500 charge cycles in the battery. Do the math and see how long it will last for you. Mine still got about 3 or 4 more years of use.
Even if your battery does die, there is a much cheaper way to get a new one than having to pay $100 + for a brand new lithium ion battery for your iPod.

You simply jsut buy a brand spanking new warranty for about $60. $40 cheaper and you get more out of it too.

Neven misjudge an Apple iPod because people say the battery can not be replaced, does not last very long, or you have to pay $100 plus. It is all a load of shit.

Most of the time, we don't take into consideration the settings we use on any of our MP3 players.

If you turn the volume up loud on any system, it will drain the battery faster. If you use equalizers as well that drains battery life. Blacklights, accidently leaving it on, blah blah blah. The list goes on.

The iPods battery life is very good so don't bother listening to what the majority of Apple bashers say.

Todd
05-07-2005, 05:31 PM
Originally posted by Skywalker@May 7 2005, 04:53 AM
iPod batteries suck and they are less reliable.
Complete bullshit.

The iPod batteries are just as good as any other lithium ion battery. LiOn batteries have limited charge cycles, whether the battery is in the iPod, the Zen, your cell phone or anything else. Its the same reason your car battery goes dead after a few years...its not that the battery is drained (Well it would be if you left the ignition in ACC for a long time, but thats another topic), as long as your engine is running, the battery gets charged, but after so many charge cycles, it can't hold a charge anymore and dies. So don't claim that the iPod batteries suck unless you want to say the Zen's battery sucks just as much.

Besides, chances are, when the battery does crap out, it will be years later and you'll want to upgrade MP3 players anyways.

Omar A
05-07-2005, 05:46 PM
Ya theres nothing wrong with the ipods but personally i would prefer the Creative.

WalmartvsKmart
05-07-2005, 06:12 PM
IPod theres more features like musiz quiz and games plus its alot better

Cale.
05-09-2005, 08:07 AM
Originally posted by Todd+May 7 2005, 05:31 PM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (Todd @ May 7 2005, 05:31 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> <!--QuoteBegin--Skywalker@May 7 2005, 04:53 AM
iPod batteries suck and they are less reliable.
Complete bullshit.

The iPod batteries are just as good as any other lithium ion battery. LiOn batteries have limited charge cycles, whether the battery is in the iPod, the Zen, your cell phone or anything else. Its the same reason your car battery goes dead after a few years...its not that the battery is drained (Well it would be if you left the ignition in ACC for a long time, but thats another topic), as long as your engine is running, the battery gets charged, but after so many charge cycles, it can&#39;t hold a charge anymore and dies. So don&#39;t claim that the iPod batteries suck unless you want to say the Zen&#39;s battery sucks just as much.

Besides, chances are, when the battery does crap out, it will be years later and you&#39;ll want to upgrade MP3 players anyways. [/b][/quote]
well after having a total of 5 different iPods in the palm of my hand and them all having some technical problem I am inclined to give Apple shit after the shit they put me through.

Creep
05-09-2005, 11:19 AM
Thank you all for your comments, they do help :)


well after having a total of 5 different iPods in the palm of my hand and them all having some technical problem I am inclined to give Apple shit after the shit they put me through.

What went wrong with your Ipods Skywalker? :o

Neil
05-09-2005, 03:42 PM
Originally posted by Aaron@May 7 2005, 09:45 AM
Battery is the only problem. And I highly doubt you are going to use it for 12 hours straight without throwing it on the charger at one point in time.

The Creative is clearly outnumber in terms of functionality and design. The iPod is far more easier to use. Plus it has hundreds of accesories for it.

Get the Apple iPod for god sake, you&#39;d be blowing away money on the Creative.
I would. I would have it playing like, anytime I&#39;m not sleeping. :lol:

Cale.
05-10-2005, 06:35 AM
Originally posted by Creep@May 9 2005, 11:19 AM
Thank you all for your comments, they do help :)


well after having a total of 5 different iPods in the palm of my hand and them all having some technical problem I am inclined to give Apple shit after the shit they put me through.

What went wrong with your Ipods Skywalker? :o
Hard Disk Error, Hard Disk Error, Headphone Port broke, LCD Malfunction, Hard Disk error.

Creep
05-10-2005, 09:39 AM
Hard Disk Error, Hard Disk Error, Headphone Port broke, LCD Malfunction, Hard Disk error.

Wow, that really sucks. How long did each of them last? Couple of my friends have Ipods and they havent had any problems yet.

Todd
05-10-2005, 01:50 PM
Originally posted by Skywalker+May 10 2005, 01:35 AM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (Skywalker @ May 10 2005, 01:35 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> <!--QuoteBegin--Creep@May 9 2005, 11:19 AM
Thank you all for your comments, they do help :)


well after having a total of 5 different iPods in the palm of my hand and them all having some technical problem I am inclined to give Apple shit after the shit they put me through.

What went wrong with your Ipods Skywalker? :o
Hard Disk Error, Hard Disk Error, Headphone Port broke, LCD Malfunction, Hard Disk error. [/b][/quote]
My brother was having shitty luck with his iPod mini, he&#39;s on his 4th (Battery failure, hard disk failure, headphone jack messed up) but they were all replaced under warranty so it wasn&#39;t a huge deal (In fact, it was a reason for me to take him to the Apple Store so I could play around with dual 30" display setups *drool*)

[Fool]
05-10-2005, 01:56 PM
i have a ipod and would swear by it, i agree the battery life can vary a hell of alot, and that you tend to be more attractive to chavs but hey.......

Minus
05-10-2005, 08:16 PM
Originally posted by Todd@May 10 2005, 07:50 AM
(In fact, it was a reason for me to take him to the Apple Store so I could play around with dual 30" display setups *drool*)
There is no excuse for abuse.






And anyways, it&#39;s not like you need a good reason to go play with those set-ups, the set-ups are reasons in themselves.

I lost my first, I&#39;m getting my second whenever I have the money to.

Todd
05-10-2005, 08:32 PM
Originally posted by Minus Xero@May 10 2005, 03:16 PM
And anyways, it&#39;s not like you need a good reason to go play with those set-ups, the set-ups are reasons in themselves.

I lost my first, I&#39;m getting my second whenever I have the money to.
Meh, it was more like an excuse to drive to a busy mall on a nice Saturday afternoon and spend 30 minutes (literally) driving around trying to find any parking space even if it is really far away from the mall entrance.

Matt
05-10-2005, 11:07 PM
I&#39;d get the Zen Touch. I&#39;ll never have enough songs to fill up an iPod, so why bother paying more?

Aaron
05-11-2005, 12:23 AM
Originally posted by Matt@May 10 2005, 08:37 PM
I&#39;d get the Zen Touch. I&#39;ll never have enough songs to fill up an iPod, so why bother paying more?
For &#036;100 dollars more, you get 4000 more songs.

That&#39;s what I tell everybody who even bothers to give thought to another MP3 player. And so far, it&#39;s worked on everybody.

A little extra space never hurts anybody, and besides, that extra space you have you cna sue for storing data, that&#39;s what I do.

Ryan
05-11-2005, 12:54 AM
This was the same dilemma I just had. And i ended up going with the Archos gmini400. Its pretty much the same price as the apple 20gig ipod but ahs an lcd screen for movies and pictures. The unit cost about 30 bucks more. Btu I mean the new 20 gig ipods are suposed to be really good. But I&#39;d check out all your options first.

Minus
05-11-2005, 03:45 AM
Originally posted by Aaron+May 10 2005, 06:23 PM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (Aaron @ May 10 2005, 06:23 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> <!--QuoteBegin--Matt@May 10 2005, 08:37 PM
I&#39;d get the Zen Touch. I&#39;ll never have enough songs to fill up an iPod, so why bother paying more?
For &#036;100 dollars more, you get 4000 more songs.

That&#39;s what I tell everybody who even bothers to give thought to another MP3 player. And so far, it&#39;s worked on everybody.

A little extra space never hurts anybody, and besides, that extra space you have you cna sue for storing data, that&#39;s what I do. [/b][/quote]
Exactly.

I get so mad at my friends who are like "I&#39;ll never use that much space anyways&#33;"

That&#39;s what I thought when I got my 15gig.

It&#39;s more for your money. It&#39;s just a better deal.

Tomi
05-11-2005, 04:28 AM
I used to think that iPods were a waste of money because I&#39;d barely brake the 5GB barrier, never mind 20GB. But just recently I proved myself wrong...my library is 10GB+ now. :lol:

I&#39;d go for the Apple.

Creep
05-12-2005, 11:14 AM
Thanks for all of your posts. Well the majority of you are all for the Ipod as am I, so I have decided on the Ipod. Now all I need to do is find the cheapest place to buy one ^_^

Does anyone know how long the U2 Limited Edition Ipods will be around? I think it&#39;s a bit unfair on the price difference of the U2 version compared to the standard.

Todd
05-12-2005, 03:31 PM
Originally posted by Creep@May 12 2005, 06:14 AM
Now all I need to do is find the cheapest place to buy one ^_^

Does anyone know how long the U2 Limited Edition Ipods will be around? I think it&#39;s a bit unfair on the price difference of the U2 version compared to the standard.
Unless youre going to buy a used one (which is a dumb idea) then prices are the same everywhere for an iPod. They&#39;re standard prices set by Apple. The only cheaper ones you may find are by a couple dollars (which you&#39;ll pay with shipping anyways)

Melonman64
05-18-2005, 01:38 AM
I would get a 30 gig zen because, IMO, it gives the most value per dollar. &#036;20 dollars more than a 20gb zen (I think), and a lot cheap than an iPod the last time I checked. Of course, for me, if it can play music, then it&#39;s good.

Cale.
05-18-2005, 07:13 AM
Originally posted by Melonman64@May 18 2005, 01:38 AM
I would get a 30 gig zen because, IMO, it gives the most value per dollar. &#036;20 dollars more than a 20gb zen (I think), and a lot cheap than an iPod the last time I checked. Of course, for me, if it can play music, then it&#39;s good.
i hope you mean 30gig Zen Touch because the 30 gig Zen Jukebox will break if you so much as sneeze on it.

Creep
05-18-2005, 12:30 PM
i hope you mean 30gig Zen Touch because the 30 gig Zen Jukebox will break if you so much as sneeze on it.

I wasn&#39;t even aware that 30gig Zen Touch was in existance. I wouldn&#39;t trust the jukebox. Nobody has one :P

Glenn
05-19-2005, 01:55 AM
I&#39;ve had two iPods and they&#39;ve both given me crap. Listed below were my problems

1. Technical support: You get one free call and every other call is 50 BUCKS&#33; 50 bucks for a fuckin phone call&#33; Bullshit&#33;

2. The iPod would pause itself. Yup, even with the good ol hold switch down, the iPod kept stopping by itself.

3. I don&#39;t like the fact that when songs fade into each other, like Meteora, the iPod takes a second to load each song. Not a big deal but it aggrevates me.

4. Be careful when you rip songs into iTunes. When I ripped all my songs into it, for example, Papercut was titled "01-Papercut." Although it didn&#39;t appear this way on the iPod, it seriously messed up my music collection later.

Don&#39;t get me wrong. The iPod is an excellent player, but because of the problems, I junked it and got a Creative Zen Touch.
The software on the Zen Touch is a pain in the ass but the player is awesome. I like the separate volume buttons and vertical touchpad (you get used to it just like the clickwheel and you can adjust the sensitivity.)

Oh yeah...the Zen Touch with the same amount of space is about 60 dollars less.
Meh...I guess I like to support the underdog as well.

For these reasons, I would strongly recommend the Creative Zen Touch.