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Justin V.
04-30-2005, 01:59 AM
Hi, I am posting this on behalf of Derek who cannot access LPA right now due to serious issues with his computer but is able to access AIM:
Hey guys, about an hour or so ago I was going through the internet when suddenly I was hit with a porn pop-up (while not even being on a porn site mind you) and I thought "..stupid popups" and clicked out of it. Well out of my control, suddenly it kept re-opening itself over and over again and me, getting mad...end tasked the sucker, thinking it would stop it. That's when all hell broke loose. Suddenly I couldn't control my computer and I sat there helplessly as it instantly downloaded tons of harmful programs such as a "Free XXX" desktop icon, a 'anti-spyware' program and a "Desktop Search" application (I am quoting all of these apps in the idea that you could possibly look this up or write symantec about it) onto my desktop. Well before I knew it, it changed my desktop to a 'blue screen' (I didnt actually get a blue screen, it was more like a blue screen wallpaper) and I found I was unable to open System Restore, and it doesn't allow me to open my computer so I can backup my files (I was able to open the folders on a non-adminstrator account..but before long it tried to launch the programs associated with the files and the PC crashed), so I'm not sure what to do here. In all my life I've never experienced a virus quite this bad and I'm trying my best to stay calm even though I'm not sure I can fix this.
Luckily for me my AIM still happens to work (however you have to IM me on panoway as zshadowofadoubt isnt working) and if you want to send me help through there you are more than welcome to. Furthermore, I was able to get onto LPA forums' main page but when I went to go to a thread it redirected me to one of those top related searches pages. If there's anything you guys can do to help me, please tell me now. I honestly am not looking forward to formatting my hard drive and if I can possibly run a tool to eradicate this virus I'd be more than happy. Also, the last time I ran safe mode it locked up..so I'm not quite sure about that.
Any suggestions guys? I'm so upset right now that this happened.
Louis
04-30-2005, 02:07 AM
I hate it when such situations like that happen. Pop-ups suck. They just completely fuck up your computer and you seem just so helpless...
Go to the nearest computer store. GET IT FIXED. If it's a problem like that, find a store with decent prices right away. You should be unplugging your internet so that your network doesn't get completely infected, and so that more viruses don't get in. Hopefully, this virus you seem to have won't do much damage. Or any more.
That's the best I could do. I'm sorry for you though.
Cale.
04-30-2005, 02:30 AM
If he was using Internet Explorer, that further indicates that Firefox owns it.
.Amanda.
04-30-2005, 02:40 AM
Sounds like Win32:SASSER. And some random backdoored shit. avast! antivirus will clear it up if you can get to it.
.Amanda.
04-30-2005, 03:35 AM
http://www.merijen.org
scroll down about 1/4 of the page and click on hijackthis 1.99 download and run it. That should clear it up. As for the search bar thing:
http://www.intermute.com/spysubtract/cwshr...r_download.html (http://www.intermute.com/spysubtract/cwshredder_download.html)
cwshredder should take care of that.
If not boot to safe mode (hit F8 a million times on the restart screen) and try a system restore. If you're stillh aving trouble then it's formatting time. Hopefully it won't come to that.
Theazninvasion68
04-30-2005, 03:38 AM
i dont know what kind of virus, mabye .shadow is correct but, have you tried starting in safe mode? Or mabye You should take it to a computer store that can fix this. Formatting looks awfully good because it downloaded loads of "stuff" on the computer. dont instantly get internet, but a firewall, like zonelabs firewall or something like that.
Other then this, formatting is pretty much 3rd to almost nothing.
What the hell, that sucks. :mellow:
Testament
04-30-2005, 04:31 AM
My God, that HAS to suck.
Louis
04-30-2005, 04:38 AM
Originally posted by Vani@Apr 30 2005, 04:31 AM
My God, that HAS to suck.
I've had the same situation before. I don't get it though. Why can't people stop making viruses? Why can't they stop making pop-ups?
Why can't we all just...get along?
Derek The Infamous
04-30-2005, 05:23 AM
Wow, I am so fucking tired right now. I just spent the entire night battling this fricking virus and I literally have no energy at all.
In the end I got through to do a system restore (after much fighting with the virus) and it's weird. After the restore the virus desktop icons are still there but there's...no virus.
The computer is running fine, there's no sign of any of the programs there anymore..but the icons are programs are still downloaded. I ran "Hijack This!" and it didn't seem to find the program (it found about 1000 porn hosts I got rid of though) and Adaware didnt find 173 like it did during the viruses' activation. (Honestly, it froze...but I dont think that has to do with the virus).
So what do you guys think I should do? I want to go to sleep, but I fear when I restart the computer it'll be back and worse than ever. However, if it's not "triggered" anymore..you think I'll be safe until at least tommorrow morning?
Louis
04-30-2005, 05:27 AM
I personally think that you should just leave it alone. Doing more work on it will just risk you getting more viruses, or possibly the same virus to kick in. Leave it be. Don't do anything. Disconnect the internet. Go to sleep. Take it to a computer shop in the morning. It'll be fine.
Originally posted by GiriosXeni@Apr 29 2005, 11:27 PM
Go to sleep. Take it to a computer shop in the morning. It'll be fine.
That's the last thing you wanna do. All they'll say is "Oh you're fucked, you're going to have to reformat." ;)
Louis
04-30-2005, 05:31 AM
Originally posted by tm™+Apr 30 2005, 05:29 AM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (tm™ @ Apr 30 2005, 05:29 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> <!--QuoteBegin--GiriosXeni@Apr 29 2005, 11:27 PM
Go to sleep. Take it to a computer shop in the morning. It'll be fine.
That's the last thing you wanna do. All they'll say is "Oh you're fucked, you're going to have to reformat." ;) [/b][/quote]
Good point...
Well, he needs to sleep. You're going to deprive the man of sleep. How about he does nothing and sleeps, and he can continue fixing up the problem tomorrow.
And about the icons, Derek, couldn't you just delete them? That's what I do. It ends up being fine.
Originally posted by GiriosXeni+Apr 29 2005, 11:31 PM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (GiriosXeni @ Apr 29 2005, 11:31 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'>
Originally posted by -tm™@Apr 30 2005, 05:29 AM
<!--QuoteBegin--GiriosXeni@Apr 29 2005, 11:27 PM
Go to sleep. Take it to a computer shop in the morning. It'll be fine.
That's the last thing you wanna do. All they'll say is "Oh you're fucked, you're going to have to reformat." ;)
Good point... [/b][/quote]
;)
I talked to Derek on MSN, he seems to be doing much better. I told him to get some sleep then in the morning do a final scan in safe mode. He should be alright now. :)
Louis
04-30-2005, 06:00 AM
Alright, good.
Good night, guys.
Razan
04-30-2005, 04:08 PM
Originally posted by GiriosXeni+Apr 30 2005, 04:38 AM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (GiriosXeni @ Apr 30 2005, 04:38 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> <!--QuoteBegin--Vani@Apr 30 2005, 04:31 AM
My God, that HAS to suck.
I've had the same situation before. I don't get it though. Why can't people stop making viruses? Why can't they stop making pop-ups?
Why can't we all just...get along? [/b][/quote]
While you're at it, why not ask for world peace? :lol:
(w00t) I'm glad it's over, how did you do it so I know what to do if it happens to me?
Derek The Infamous
04-30-2005, 04:14 PM
I think we're good guys. Thanks to everyone who helped.
A very SPECIAL thank you goes out to in.the.shadows, and tm who..if not for them I probably wouldn't be on here right now.
I know a bulletin has to be out here for this virus because it was very harmful, and if its not already out there as a defined virus I'd be shocked. Like I said, the thing had the power to keep me from accessing many programs, delete my harddrive space by the second, and even change my desktop wallpaper to a fake 'blue screen'.
It battled with Ad-Aware, making it freeze the first time I tried it. However, after I miraculously got through to System Restore it listed that I had 163 instances of spyware..some of which included Malware (Malicious Software), Browser hijack attempts, a windows vunerability and enough tracking cookies to feed the poor kids over seas (mmkay that was wrong of me).
After this..I don't know if I even wanna use IE anymore. Sure Opera looks kind of cluttered..but it's safer then IE. Although fanboys of Firefox and Opera will go back and forth about what is better.
Originally posted by Derek@Apr 30 2005, 10:14 AM
A very SPECIAL thank you goes out to in.the.shadows, and tm who..if not for them I probably wouldn't be on here right now.
After this..I don't know if I even wanna use IE anymore. Sure Opera looks kind of cluttered..but it's safer then IE. Although fanboys of Firefox and Opera will go back and forth about what is better.
Yeah, yeah. No problem. I was just being useful for once. :P
*cough*firefox*cough*pwns*cough* (http://getfirefox.com)
*whistles*
F-ck Casey
04-30-2005, 05:54 PM
Use Firefox. Do it.
Derek The Infamous
04-30-2005, 08:53 PM
I'm using Firefox right now, I've heard from some that it's overrated..but right now it seems okay. As long as it's safe and cant be hijacked as easily as IE, then I dont care.
Guys, as someone who is majoring in computer science and IT in college, I'm going to throw in my 2 cents about reformatting. Everyone's saying that its a bad thing to do, ect. As long as you are able to back up your stuff, a reformat won't hurt and its a good thing to do every once in awhile, especially after a problem like this, to guarantee every last bit of the virus is gone. In fact, I would recommend to Derek that when he has some free time, to wipe his drive clean to make sure the virus is gone for good. When I still used Windows, I would reformat every couple months just to make sure my drive was clean. Now with a Mac that isnt neccesary since there are no viruses or spyware that effects me :P
Kæton
04-30-2005, 10:42 PM
Since we're on the subject of Firefox. To anyone who knows HTML, does anyone know why Firefox doesn't load CSS the way IE does? It's like their compatability with CSS is a much lower version than IE's. That's so frustrating. :lol:
Originally posted by Todd@Apr 30 2005, 04:05 PM
Guys, as someone who is majoring in computer science and IT in college, I'm going to throw in my 2 cents about reformatting. Everyone's saying that its a bad thing to do, ect. As long as you are able to back up your stuff, a reformat won't hurt and its a good thing to do every once in awhile, especially after a problem like this, to guarantee every last bit of the virus is gone. In fact, I would recommend to Derek that when he has some free time, to wipe his drive clean to make sure the virus is gone for good. When I still used Windows, I would reformat every couple months just to make sure my drive was clean. Now with a Mac that isnt neccesary since there are no viruses or spyware that effects me :P
Definately.
Defragging only does so much.
Neil's Tip:
If you have a large hard drive, don't install windows on it, instead, install a master drive of about 10-15 gigs, then if anything goes wrong, you don't lose everything on your big drive, and you can backup the whole master drive to the larger one if you ever need to reformat.
- Saved my ass tons of times. Good 'ol 120gig.
Derek The Infamous
05-02-2005, 06:20 PM
I have a pitiful 20 gig. Although maybe if I ever get a large one I'll format the 20 gig and use it as a backup. Thanks.
Dr. Octogonapus
05-02-2005, 08:13 PM
Originally posted by Todd@Apr 30 2005, 05:05 PM
Now with a Mac that isnt neccesary since there are no viruses or spyware that effects me :P
"Nothing breaks on a Mac because nothing works on a Mac."
:chemist:
Originally posted by Kæton@Apr 30 2005, 04:42 PM
Since we're on the subject of Firefox. To anyone who knows HTML, does anyone know why Firefox doesn't load CSS the way IE does? It's like their compatability with CSS is a much lower version than IE's. That's so frustrating. :lol:
Other way around, buddy. IE's standard's are shit. They are completely out of date. Acid2 (http://webstandards.org/act/acid2/) will hopefully make them finally get up to date. :)
[note: no browsers are currently able to pass this test]
Gecko [Firefox] and whatever other engines there are [can't remember, shoot me.] up to date, meanwhile the IE engine is years behind. ;)
And Derek, whoever said Firefox is overrated is using either Opera or something else, eh?
Kæton
05-02-2005, 10:19 PM
That doesn't answer my question, dude. Why doesn't Firefox load CSS the same way as it would on IE? I don't care about engines and crap, but it seems that if in fact Firefox is "more advanced" they shouldn't have to tamper with the already-fine CSS coding. Now, in order for any verticle aligning to be "correct" in Firefox, I now have to do so much more which is completely unnecessary.
Also, including background properties. They don't work the same, either.
Originally posted by Kæton@May 2 2005, 04:19 PM
That doesn't answer my question, dude. Why doesn't Firefox load CSS the same way as it would on IE? I don't care about engines and crap, but it seems that if in fact Firefox is "more advanced" they shouldn't have to tamper with the already-fine CSS coding. Now, in order for any verticle aligning to be "correct" in Firefox, I now have to do so much more which is completely unnecessary.
Also, including background properties. They don't work the same, either.
IE Standards = Wrong.
FX Standards = Correct.
There, even made it colourful for you. :)
IE standards are crap, because it'll work even if the code isn't valid.
I'm the the best person that could explain this to you. Go to www.neowin.net, they'll tell you. ;)
Kæton
05-02-2005, 11:15 PM
Yeah, but upping the standards means a lot of shortcuts for CSS are becoming invalid which makes CSS messy. If you're the person to talk to about this, you should know that! CSS can get unbelievably messy, also a lot of suggested coding has to be redone because of Firefox's "standard." Higher standards doesn't mean it should disreguard some shortcuts, no matter what.
If you're like me, you no longer you tables because you can do everything by CSS nowadays, but it still sucks that if in fact I want a certain "effect" or "look" on my site, I'll have to make sure my CSS is Firefox friendly, because of their oh-so-higher "standard."
I could care less for standards, shove 'em, shortcuts are what make coding clean and Firefox messes it up for us. :P
Meh, do whatever you want. But if you want more visitors to your site, you better have your site compliant with all browsers otherwise some people will be turned away because the site looks like shit in their browser. ;)
Kæton
05-03-2005, 12:46 AM
...You're not serious, right, Tomi? You think I'm that much of a n00b I'm not making broswer-compatable websites? Tomi, I laugh at you! :lol:
You missed my whole point, you loser. :P
Originally posted by Kæton@May 2 2005, 06:46 PM
...You're not serious, right, Tomi? You think I'm that much of a n00b I'm not making broswer-compatable websites? Tomi, I laugh at you! :lol:
You missed my whole point, you loser. :P
I can't tell who's more lazy, me or you. ;)
Just to throw my two cents in here...
From what I know, IE is the most popular browser, I mean this thing is used everywhere. Am I saying that its popular correlates with its quality? No, but either you can make something work for a small fraction of the people (Like HD TV :lol: ) or you can work around the problems to attract the larger audiences. I choose the second option, and as far as I care, while Firefox and Opera might be great programs (never used em), IE will be around for a long time, so you'd better get used to using it if you're a designer/coder.
If you're just a user, then do whatever the hell you'd like lol.
Obviously someone doesn't read statistics. Firefox and Opera are slowly taking browser popularity from Microsoft. The only reason IE is most popular is that it's installed by default on your computer.
When I'm coding, I try to make it work for all browsers. :) And if it works for Firefox, but not for IE. I say 'Screw IE.' ;) A fine example would be my current blog design (http://wp.crazy-monkey.net). Renders perfect in Firefox, nightmare in IE.
Louis
05-03-2005, 12:58 AM
Originally posted by Omar@May 3 2005, 12:54 AM
Just to throw my two cents in here...
From what I know, IE is the most popular browser, I mean this thing is used everywhere. Am I saying that its popular correlates with its quality? No, but either you can make something work for a small fraction of the people (Like HD TV :lol: ) or you can work around the problems to attract the larger audiences. I choose the second option, and as far as I care, while Firefox and Opera might be great programs (never used em), IE will be around for a long time, so you'd better get used to using it if you're a designer/coder.
If you're just a user, then do whatever the hell you'd like lol.
Exactly.
It's weird how Microsoft just...dominates...
Bill Gates must be doing something to start a dictatorship. If you just look into his eyes...
Originally posted by GiriosXeni+May 2 2005, 06:58 PM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (GiriosXeni @ May 2 2005, 06:58 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> <!--QuoteBegin--Omar@May 3 2005, 12:54 AM
Just to throw my two cents in here...
From what I know, IE is the most popular browser, I mean this thing is used everywhere. Am I saying that its popular correlates with its quality? No, but either you can make something work for a small fraction of the people (Like HD TV :lol: ) or you can work around the problems to attract the larger audiences. I choose the second option, and as far as I care, while Firefox and Opera might be great programs (never used em), IE will be around for a long time, so you'd better get used to using it if you're a designer/coder.
If you're just a user, then do whatever the hell you'd like lol.
Exactly.
It's weird how Microsoft just...dominates...
Bill Gates must be doing something to start a dictatorship. If you just look into his eyes... [/b][/quote]
Read my previous post.
Microsoft has the most browser usage because a large percentage of computer users use Windows and Internet Explorer is installed by default, and most new computer don't know about Firefox, so they're completely oblvious to the other browsers.....uhh...you should get the point by now.
And how did this go from a virus discussion to a browser discussion?
Louis
05-03-2005, 01:04 AM
Originally posted by tm™+May 3 2005, 01:03 AM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (tm™ @ May 3 2005, 01:03 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'>
Originally posted by -GiriosXeni@May 2 2005, 06:58 PM
<!--QuoteBegin--Omar@May 3 2005, 12:54 AM
Just to throw my two cents in here...
From what I know, IE is the most popular browser, I mean this thing is used everywhere. Am I saying that its popular correlates with its quality? No, but either you can make something work for a small fraction of the people (Like HD TV :lol: ) or you can work around the problems to attract the larger audiences. I choose the second option, and as far as I care, while Firefox and Opera might be great programs (never used em), IE will be around for a long time, so you'd better get used to using it if you're a designer/coder.
If you're just a user, then do whatever the hell you'd like lol.
Exactly.
It's weird how Microsoft just...dominates...
Bill Gates must be doing something to start a dictatorship. If you just look into his eyes...
Read my previous post.
Microsoft has the most browser usage because a large percentage of computer users use Windows and Internet Explorer is installed by default, and most new computer don't know about Firefox, so they're completely oblvious to the other browsers.....uhh...you should get the point by now.
And how did this go from a virus discussion to a browser discussion? [/b][/quote]
Aight, I understand now.
Originally posted by GiriosXeni+May 2 2005, 07:04 PM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (GiriosXeni @ May 2 2005, 07:04 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'>
Originally posted by -tm™@May 3 2005, 01:03 AM
Originally posted by -GiriosXeni@May 2 2005, 06:58 PM
<!--QuoteBegin--Omar@May 3 2005, 12:54 AM
Just to throw my two cents in here...
From what I know, IE is the most popular browser, I mean this thing is used everywhere. Am I saying that its popular correlates with its quality? No, but either you can make something work for a small fraction of the people (Like HD TV :lol: ) or you can work around the problems to attract the larger audiences. I choose the second option, and as far as I care, while Firefox and Opera might be great programs (never used em), IE will be around for a long time, so you'd better get used to using it if you're a designer/coder.
If you're just a user, then do whatever the hell you'd like lol.
Exactly.
It's weird how Microsoft just...dominates...
Bill Gates must be doing something to start a dictatorship. If you just look into his eyes...
Read my previous post.
Microsoft has the most browser usage because a large percentage of computer users use Windows and Internet Explorer is installed by default, and most new computer don't know about Firefox, so they're completely oblvious to the other browsers.....uhh...you should get the point by now.
And how did this go from a virus discussion to a browser discussion?
Aight, I understand now. [/b][/quote]
:)
I was hoping you would because I didn't want to go indepth explaining everything as if I were talking to some idiot. :rolleyes:
Louis
05-03-2005, 01:17 AM
Are you applying that I'm an idiot?
....
Ha ha, just kidding.
But no, no need to explain yourself. I wouldn't want to put you through that.
Originally posted by GiriosXeni@May 2 2005, 07:17 PM
Are you applying that I'm an idiot?
....
Ha ha, just kidding.
But no, no need to explain yourself. I wouldn't want to put you through that.
Nah, course not. :)
Glenn
05-03-2005, 02:25 AM
Actually I prefer IE over Firefox.
Originally posted by SaxopianoGRD@May 2 2005, 08:25 PM
Actually I prefer IE over Firefox.
Have fun with those viruses taking advantage of all those holes in IE. :)
Kæton
05-03-2005, 03:06 AM
Stop being a smartass, Tomi. :lol:
And I'm sure you're more lazy than I. :chemist:
+ / –
05-03-2005, 03:31 AM
Originally posted by Kæton@May 2 2005, 05:15 PM
Yeah, but upping the standards means a lot of shortcuts for CSS are becoming invalid which makes CSS messy. If you're the person to talk to about this, you should know that! CSS can get unbelievably messy, also a lot of suggested coding has to be redone because of Firefox's "standard." Higher standards doesn't mean it should disreguard some shortcuts, no matter what.
If you're like me, you no longer you tables because you can do everything by CSS nowadays, but it still sucks that if in fact I want a certain "effect" or "look" on my site, I'll have to make sure my CSS is Firefox friendly, because of their oh-so-higher "standard."
I could care less for standards, shove 'em, shortcuts are what make coding clean and Firefox messes it up for us. :P
For the sake of informing... Firefox makes full use of CSS2, which, at this point, IE doesn't recognize. Microsoft believes this version of CSS to be flawed, so it doesn't support it. In my opinion, it doesn't really matter whether or not it is flawed, W3C Consortium officially supports it, and IE has a huge streak of NOT being W3C compliant, whether it be HTML4 or CSS2. They're gonna have to change soon lest browsers like Firefox and Opera gain more popularity.
It may be a lot more difficult to code for Firefox because a lot of the 'shurtcuts' and alternate coding that IE uses is easier, although not compliant to recent standards. One example is IE's use of
background-color: none;
When in fact the correct syntax is:
background-color: transparent;
It's harder to code for Firefox. But if you want to have correct code, it's necessarily.
And finally the most important reason that Firefox and IE render CSS differently is that Firefox is coded differently. It's just that simple.
So it isn't Firefox that messes up clean code, it's W3C in general. It's just that Firefox actually complies with these standards, and that is why the browser is recommended.
I know how you feel though. Coding cross-browsers = Bitch.
Kæton
05-03-2005, 03:53 AM
Thanks Minus, that's the answer I was looking for. :lol:
Evil Angel
05-03-2005, 06:04 AM
I just solved a similar problem.Formatting works
Originally posted by Minus Xero+May 2 2005, 09:31 PM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (Minus Xero @ May 2 2005, 09:31 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> <!--QuoteBegin--Kæton@May 2 2005, 05:15 PM
Yeah, but upping the standards means a lot of shortcuts for CSS are becoming invalid which makes CSS messy. If you're the person to talk to about this, you should know that! CSS can get unbelievably messy, also a lot of suggested coding has to be redone because of Firefox's "standard." Higher standards doesn't mean it should disreguard some shortcuts, no matter what.
If you're like me, you no longer you tables because you can do everything by CSS nowadays, but it still sucks that if in fact I want a certain "effect" or "look" on my site, I'll have to make sure my CSS is Firefox friendly, because of their oh-so-higher "standard."
I could care less for standards, shove 'em, shortcuts are what make coding clean and Firefox messes it up for us. :P
For the sake of informing... Firefox makes full use of CSS2, which, at this point, IE doesn't recognize. Microsoft believes this version of CSS to be flawed, so it doesn't support it. In my opinion, it doesn't really matter whether or not it is flawed, W3C Consortium officially supports it, and IE has a huge streak of NOT being W3C compliant, whether it be HTML4 or CSS2. They're gonna have to change soon lest browsers like Firefox and Opera gain more popularity.
It may be a lot more difficult to code for Firefox because a lot of the 'shurtcuts' and alternate coding that IE uses is easier, although not compliant to recent standards. One example is IE's use of
background-color: none;
When in fact the correct syntax is:
background-color: transparent;
It's harder to code for Firefox. But if you want to have correct code, it's necessarily.
And finally the most important reason that Firefox and IE render CSS differently is that Firefox is coded differently. It's just that simple.
So it isn't Firefox that messes up clean code, it's W3C in general. It's just that Firefox actually complies with these standards, and that is why the browser is recommended.
I know how you feel though. Coding cross-browsers = Bitch. [/b][/quote]
*claps* There we go. :)
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