Suicide

[Louis]

All around the LPA forums, I have seen the word, "suicide" plenty of times. Now, I know it's not the best word around, but it's something that we should all take notice of.

I started this topic because I wanted to get all of the people who do have suicidal feelings to get together and show their emotions. Keeping inside emotions is bad for you and may lead to bad things. We can all relate to one another.

Now, I didn't know whether to put this in the random chat forum or here, but it's a serious issue, so I put it here.

Please, do not hesitate to tell us. If you do not want to, that is perfectly fine. And don't hesitate to advise someone, and comfort them when they are feeling sad. This is not a JOKE post, and nor is "Suicide" a JOKING issue.

Whoever would like to begin, please reply.

[.Amanda.]

Isn't this what the "Got Anything You Need TO Let Out" thread is for?

[Louis]

Well, that's or more less, to me, like a frustration post. Suicidal could be a part of it, but this also wasn't just meant to let out, it could also be like an opinion forum. I just made it because I've been seeing it around so much that I thought that I might as well make a post about it. I'm sorry if it seems too familiar to other possible topics.

EDIT: Also, that topic you are referring to was a confession topic. I just said to express yourself here. Expressing isn't exactly the same as confessing. I know it doesn't make complete sense and all, but this topic is mainly about suicide, letting out suicidal feelings, and possibly, for those against it, find a way to prevent teen suicide and all of those kinds of issues. I'm sorry if this post still seems to much like the post you are referring to.

[Omar A]

Never thought of suicide, not because my life is problem free, its just never crossed my mind.

[Louis]

Originally posted by Omar A@Apr 25 2005, 03:55 AM
Never thought of suicide, not because my life is problem free, its just never crossed my mind.
Well, that's good. I respect people who have that same view point. A lot of my friends do, at least. I'm the oddball.

[Omar A]

Originally posted by GiriosXeni+Apr 24 2005, 10:57 PM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (GiriosXeni @ Apr 24 2005, 10:57 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> <!--QuoteBegin--Omar A@Apr 25 2005, 03:55 AM
Never thought of suicide, not because my life is problem free, its just never crossed my mind.
Well, that&#39;s good. I respect people who have that same view point. A lot of my friends do, at least. I&#39;m the oddball. [/b][/quote]
Well maybe you should get some help...? I have a temper problem so the school is making me take anger management classes :P . You should go to counceling or something before its too late.

[Louis]

Originally posted by Omar A+Apr 25 2005, 03:59 AM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (Omar A @ Apr 25 2005, 03:59 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'>
Originally posted by -GiriosXeni@Apr 24 2005, 10:57 PM
<!--QuoteBegin--Omar A@Apr 25 2005, 03:55 AM
Never thought of suicide, not because my life is problem free, its just never crossed my mind.
Well, that&#39;s good. I respect people who have that same view point. A lot of my friends do, at least. I&#39;m the oddball.
Well maybe you should get some help...? I have a temper problem so the school is making me take anger management classes :P . You should go to counceling or something before its too late. [/b][/quote]
Well, as suicidal as I may be, I really hate the idea of councelling. And plus, me and my parents have already talked about it and they think I&#39;m fine. I don&#39;t plan on committing suicide anytime in the near future. But I just get so sad and so frustrated to the point where I wish I didn&#39;t have to suffer much more.

I also have an anger problem, too. But it&#39;s not too serious. Councelling just scares the shit out of me, though.

[Holiday]

um, i first became suicidal when i was three (im seriuosly not kidding). crap from my dad. it was a long strech. like btn 3 and 6. i have problems off and on my whole life. mostly i put on a very happy out side. hehehe.

and yes i know about about sucide. i hate it when ppl preach to me like i dont know what&#39;s going on or all go "life is wonderful you always have something to live for". whatever ppl, i know what im talking about. i bet i know more about it than almost anyone who is going to preach. hehe sry :P

[Louis]

Originally posted by Holiday@Apr 25 2005, 04:50 AM
um, i first became suicidal when i was three (im seriuosly not kidding). crap from my dad. it was a long strech. like btn 3 and 6. i have problems off and on my whole life. mostly i put on a very happy out side. hehehe.

and yes i know about about sucide. i hate it when ppl preach to me like i dont know what&#39;s going on or all go "life is wonderful you always have something to live for". whatever ppl, i know what im talking about. i bet i know more about it than almost anyone who is going to preach. hehe sry :P
Yeah, it&#39;s annoying how there are a lot of people who think that people have something to live for when they don&#39;t know how that person feels or what has happened in their life. I&#39;ve been through a lot, as well. And everyone thinks that they&#39;re a preacher and that I have something to live for when it&#39;s not so true at all.

[fallenangel]

i think i have thought about suicide since i first realised what it ment. and that was young. i was never a happy kid, never fit in and always felt like i belonged somewhere else. also tried to commet sucide and the doctor at the hospital just gave me a telling off and sent me home. suicide is a serious issue and often professionals think its a phase, but for many of us, its not.
this thread is a good idea, cause it those who are thinking of it can express themselves fully, without fear of being called &#39;mad&#39;, it may save lifes.

[Ronin]

when i had depression, suicide was always in my mind. i constantly told myself i couldn&#39;t do anything, and i was constantly upset. i always looked at the swords on my wall (they were sharp) with the intent of hari kari. thankfully, my parents stepped in and helped me with my problems. ^_^

[ChooseYourPoison]

Well, I used to be a cutter. Not because I was depressed..I just like scars...cause I&#39;m odd. Stopped when I learned it was a bad thing, though.

I&#39;ve had to send a lot of my friends in to the school therapist who actually cut because they&#39;re depressed, though. And its sad, because in one instance, the therapist told me that the same day, one of my friends was going to go kill themselves, had I not dragged him to her office. :(

[+ / –]

I heard in Life Management one day that if you take sleeping pills and drink alcohol, you&#39;ll go to sleep and never wake up.

I&#39;ve thought about it every day since.

[Paul]

Never thought of suicide and never planning on ever thinking about it. I have absolutely no pity for anyone who commits suicide.

[eXess7]

Suicide is something I&#39;ve thought about, but only economically. After years of thought, I found that my life was pretty pointless and only continued to exist because I was too lazy to actually end it (and i didn&#39;t feel like putting the people that ment the most through that kind of pain). However, I later figured out the whole crappy "life is what you make it" quote was right. You make your life what it is, but theres no way I could ever realize that until I came up with that conclusion for myself. What I also found interesting in my thoughts of suicide is the question of why more Christians aren&#39;t suicidal. Everyone knows of the greatness of Heaven so why wouldn&#39;t they want to get there as soon as they can? I happen to be Christian and the best thing I could come up with was the "everyone has a purpose" line. If a person is suicidal though, then they clearly don&#39;t see that purpose.

In recap, most of the time the only person who can really give you enough reason for living is going to be yourself. After enough deep thought it can become clear what keeps you here.

[Matt]

I&#39;ve thought about suicide a few times, but I realized it was stupid because I&#39;m really, really fortunate to have everything I do. I also have friends that used to cut, and I even convinced one to stop, and it gave this strange feeling, the kind you get when you know you did something good. So uh...yeah. Suicide is always one of the first things some people think about when they&#39;re angry, and it&#39;s really sad because they think they&#39;re so unfortunate and they actually go through with it, and put their friends and family through a hard time. That&#39;s pretty much all I have to say.

[Jon[athan]]

Originally posted by eXess7@Apr 25 2005, 06:14 PM
Suicide is something I&#39;ve thought about, but only economically. After years of thought, I found that my life was pretty pointless and only continued to exist because I was too lazy to actually end it (and i didn&#39;t feel like putting the people that ment the most through that kind of pain). However, I later figured out the whole crappy "life is what you make it" quote was right. You make your life what it is, but theres no way I could ever realize that until I came up with that conclusion for myself. What I also found interesting in my thoughts of suicide is the question of why more Christians aren&#39;t suicidal. Everyone knows of the greatness of Heaven so why wouldn&#39;t they want to get there as soon as they can? I happen to be Christian and the best thing I could come up with was the "everyone has a purpose" line. If a person is suicidal though, then they clearly don&#39;t see that purpose.

In recap, most of the time the only person who can really give you enough reason for living is going to be yourself. After enough deep thought it can become clear what keeps you here.
I am also a christian and i have thought about this. if heaven is so much more then earth...why not leave earth and go now. but it does boil down to the fact that God put us here to do a job, and we cant just leave because we are fed up. is that really fair to God?


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back on topic, about suicide, i am the most ANTI suicidal person out there, i think it is so stupid. but dont think that i have it easy cuz i dont. i deal with a lot of shit, more so then a lot of people at school. and there was a point when i was close to suicide, but i didnt want to go through with it, so i just stopped. suicide to me is stupid, but i have a hope through God, to others they have nothing left, nothing more to give, and they see no other options. and i hurt for these people. but im not going to preach to you, because i know thats not what you want to hear.

[warpbabydoll]

I don&#39;t what to say. I feel like shit for wanting to commit suicide so bad. And those people who lecture me on "suicide" makes it worst. They don&#39;t know what the hell is going on, unless they carefully observe my life for the past few years. Besides that, what right do they have telling me how to live? Do they know what I love dearly or what I hate badly? So one of my best friends lectured me and I bit my tongue really hard. I wanted to smack her and tell her to shut the fuck up. She had no right poking in my life and I don&#39;t care if she cares so badly about me. She should have listened to me instead of lecturing me.

[Gimpy]

sucidal=emo. ahhh emo sucks&#33;

[CloserToCrawling]

I&#39;ve never think about suicide, so much as just try to commit suicide. I&#39;ve already attempted it for more than 30 times, each time obviously unsuccessful. I&#39;ve never tried anything but cut myself, ranging from a shaving razor to a box-cutting blade. I&#39;ve been like this for about 3 years now, and to this day, not a single person knows about it.

[Theazninvasion68]

ive think about this topic at least 49 times, in less then a year, but i woulnt even attempted, i have too many things to love, but have more guilt of thinking of it. my.life.sucks. :&#39;(

[Holiday]

i hate it when ppl go on and on saying how "suicide is stupid" and shit. i dont need to hear that. w/e its your opinion, but it is kinda mean.

and i never thought of sucide because life was "hard" i thought it would be better for everyone else if i was gone, i thought that i was a bother or a dissapointment to them and that they would be happier w/o me. it wasnt an escape for me, it was suposed to be a reliefe for them.


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grr lpa is fucking up. :angry:

[Evi]

I have thought of it ,yes. That was one year ago. But I&#39;m glad I never did it.

[Dave+Kay]

i thought about it quite a few times, especialy recently, though i have this policy, that if i think about it for more than 3 days without thinking twice at any point, then i may consider doing it. but usualy i find that suicidal thoughts tend to go away after a while so that never happens, as i think it would be.... how do i say it... frustrating to commit suicide then afterwards (supposing there is an afterwards) think &#39;wait, if i had given it a while, i could have got over that.&#39; but you couldnt do anything about it then. i mean i know i really need to be thankful for what i have, and i am, but most of what i did have just kind of dissapeared in the last month or so just because of one rumour. many times i thought about ending it all but i just pulled myself through. so i need to be thankful for what i have but also i miss what i had, andi&#39;m not exactly your most able human being as i have a writing difficulty... it isnt much but it really annoy&#39;s me when people treat me differntly because of it (come on, a few months back one teacher said &#39;why dont you go and see this teacher? she deals with people like you&#39; which made me sound like i was scum and looked down on) and so that has also made me think twice about living, though right now i have something to live for, so my life wont be ending any time soon (not if i can help it anyways)

[fallenangel]

and i never thought of sucide because life was "hard" i thought it would be better for everyone else if i was gone, i thought that i was a bother or a dissapointment to them and that they would be happier w/o me. it wasnt an escape for me, it was suposed to be a reliefe for them.

yeah, this is exactly how i feel alot of the times. i feel like i am such a bother to everyone and it would be better for everyone else if i wasn&#39;t here anymore. :(

[Kæton]

I used to be suicidal. I wasn&#39;t suicidal because my girl broke up with me or any type of crap like that, though. I&#39;ve always contemplated suicide only because my life is unfair at times. However, I learned to overcome that. I used to think I wasn&#39;t worth living, wasting time, space, air, etc., but it&#39;s really just a really bad way to look at yourself, you know?

People always tell me that I don&#39;t understand because I say suicide is dumb. As much as people will tell me that, they have no idea, I would think. I&#39;ve attempted suicide quite a few times, but of course, now that I look at it, I&#39;m such a fool, IN MY OPINION.

I really stopped contemplating suicide when an old friend of mines whom I hadn&#39;t seen for about three years due to going to different schools commited suicide. I mean, no matter how much one wants to believe no one would care that they died, that&#39;s really not true. There&#39;s always going to be someone who is going to be sad to see you disappear from this earth.

I&#39;ve been to the depths and I understand everyone with problems, but I honestly feel that suicide is never the answer, and I think one major problem with people who have suicidal tendencies don&#39;t realize what could be done. Sometimes one&#39;s life will be crappy, but you never know... End your life now, might miss out on something amazing, we never know.

Of course, I&#39;m not here to lecture, but before anyone who may find me being judgemental not be a hypocrite without knowing my background. I was really suicidal at one point, at a point I even knew right there and then, "I should leave directions for my parents to announce my passing to all my online friends as I won&#39;t be here to do it." But honestly, coming from someone who fought to make his life better from when my life was horrible, I say that please, don&#39;t turn to suicide.

I have been to hell & beyond and back, and I know what people go through, and I think anyone who contemplates suicide just needs someone to talk to. If you feel you have no friends, then find help--there is NOTHING wrong with finding help. Help is there for a reason, and as much as people will tell me again, that I don&#39;t understand, I do, and I know that it does help. It does help to let a professional hear your story, then from there they can help to make your life better. I come from a shit life, horrible background and horrible environments, but I still face days head on, don&#39;t give up. :D

For anyone contemplating suicide, contact me and we can talk. I am busy a lot, and a lot of the time I am a sarcatic fool, but if you need to talk to someone on a serious note, I&#39;m here to listen--I&#39;ve been told I&#39;m a pretty good listener. Even if you don&#39;t know me and just need to vent, I&#39;ll try to listen and comprehend anything holding you down. I&#39;m not guaranteed to help/fix your problems, but at least know you got someone to talk to. :)

And I do agree with what was said--The only way things will change is if you make a change. Appreciate yourself, don&#39;t put yourself down so much; always look towards the positives. Every individual has potential to do great things, but if you cut yourself off before you even let it get going, then you&#39;ll never know. Sometimes it&#39;s hard, no doubt, but it&#39;s always going to be better if you believe it will be. This is a reason I do look towards religion, and don&#39;t get me wrong, but this is what I believe is the core of religion. Not the faith in one, but faith in self is most evident. I think if you can have faith in not only hope, but your self, it&#39;ll be better. As for myself, I am an atheist, but that doesn&#39;t mean I don&#39;t have faith in myself. So you don&#39;t have to have a religion to believe in yourself.

[ChooseYourPoison]

You know, Keaton, I never get a chance to say this, because I&#39;m kind of a lazy person, or it escapes my mind. But I admire you a lot, I really do. I always find that your posts are in the upmost helpful, or just intruiging to read. Either way, I appreciate a lot that you take the time to type nearly essays sometimes, all at the expense of helping someone else whom you may not even know in person. Like I said, I&#39;m not suicidal nor have I ever been, but I have a feeling that what you wrote is going to affect someone positively. :)

[Kæton]

No problem. I mean, I&#39;ve been to the other side and back, and hopefully someone does take positivity away from what I have to say as I only say what I do with the best intentions.

Thanks for the appreciation. ^_^

That also goes for anyone else, as well. :D

[fallenangel]

but I have a feeling that what you wrote is going to affect someone positively.

it has and thank you. :hugz:

[Kevin]

If you even think about suicide you need help

[rosanna]

everyone needs help in some way or another. what is "normal"? no one knows and no one has a definition. if you think about suicide it does not mean you are defective. you just think that is the only way out. not that it is an excuse for people that think that, and i am not saying that you are thinking clearly, but sometimes things get too hard.

[eXess7]

Originally posted by Kevin@Apr 26 2005, 05:41 AM
If you even think about suicide you need help
Sometimes you need to help yourself.

[Dave+Kay]

Originally posted by rosanna1114@Apr 26 2005, 05:27 PM
everyone needs help in some way or another. what is "normal"? no one knows and no one has a definition. if you think about suicide it does not mean you are defective. you just think that is the only way out. not that it is an excuse for people that think that, and i am not saying that you are thinking clearly, but sometimes things get too hard.
my thoughts on everything, which is why it annoys me when people are called insane or dissabled, because who defines sane? and who defines able? there is no perfect being so there is no way to define anything and put people into catagories like that.

[Kæton]

Originally posted by Testorz+Apr 26 2005, 09:28 AM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (Testorz @ Apr 26 2005, 09:28 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> <!--QuoteBegin--rosanna1114@Apr 26 2005, 05:27 PM
everyone needs help in some way or another.* what is "normal"?* no one knows and no one has a definition.* if you think about suicide it does not mean you are defective.* you just think that is the only way out.* not that it is an excuse for people that think that, and i am not saying that you are thinking clearly, but sometimes things get too hard.
my thoughts on everything, which is why it annoys me when people are called insane or dissabled, because who defines sane? and who defines able? there is no perfect being so there is no way to define anything and put people into catagories like that. [/b][/quote]
Whereas that is a valid point, that&#39;s exactly what I mean by cutting one&#39;s self short.

If anyone continues to believe that their mind frame which defies "normallity" is true, I&#39;m sorry, but you need to wake up. There are billions of people in this world, and if you justify such a thought as the being of which is that of normallity is undeniable, you need to understand something.

I, myself, do not believe in perfection--that there is no "normal." However, over the years of such analyzation, I&#39;ve come to realize that normallity is a basis of personal perception. This means that indeed it is all to one&#39;s opinion, however, many times, environment or different forms of encouragement of one lifestyle becomes the fit normallity, and us as humans do it, we do label one lifestyle normal whether that be our own or another and it&#39;s perfectly normal. The feeling of abnormallity comes from a lifestyle we&#39;re unsure of which confuses a lot of people--this usually ends up with fear as they do not know how to react.

The state of mind, however, any must understand is that if you continue to fight for the opinion of the billions who walk this earth, you are ignorant, and I hate to say that. I do not say this to bash anyone, but if you come to terms with reality, you&#39;ll realize not everyone will be like you. To question abnormallity is one thing, and to act is another.

So in the sense you are upset with the fact people would believe suicidal tendencies to be abnormal, you, yourself in some instances are believing the same about these folks. Their abnormallity to not understand you is the motivation for your negativity, or so it seems.

Like I said, I&#39;ve been there, I used to think no one could understand me, but if you want people to understand, you need to show them. It might be hard as hell, but sooner or later, they will understand. Suicide is extremely hard to overcome, especially if life isn&#39;t going in any positive direction for you, I know this all too well, but that doesn&#39;t mean you give up and say "everyone sucks."

However, on topic, you cannot associate perfection or normallity with suicide. Though this is an encouragement towards suicidal tendencies, to be isolated from peers, it&#39;s seriously probably the most wrong motive to contemplate suicide. There are a lot of ways you can combat that isolation. You can disassociate yourself from those who make you feel bad, or you could all in all find better people. If family is the issue, then seek help.

I do agree that those who do not understand that the word "help" is not a curse nor a curse word will all-out make fun of it. I believe this is the reason my friend commited suicide--Knowing he couldn&#39;t talk to anyone without looking like some type of "psycho." Even the media displays "help" for "those who are below the average" as wrong but such fears are useless. If in fact you live in such fear your whole life, it&#39;s just as bad as cutting yourself short, in my opinion--Sometimes it takes your extra step to show people that you in fact can prove them wrong. That yeah, you might have some mental issues right now, but you&#39;ll be damned if you&#39;re going to let it stop you from achieving something great.

By the way rossana, just to kind of set the record straight, sanity is definable to some extent. Those who in fact do have mental disabilities are definable, and thus meaning their sanity differs from you and I. The question you should ask is not sanity, but personallity because with all do respect, sanity is definable. It&#39;s the reason we have psychologist; their sole purpose is to define a level/capacity in one&#39;s mind.

Annnd, Kevin. Your words are such words people who have suicidal tendencies don&#39;t need to hear. Blunt remarks like that are horrible, horrible things to hear and are pretty much rude at this point and time. It&#39;s like telling a person with no leg that they have no leg. Completely disrespectful and pretty disregarding to the situation at hand.

In my opinion, the question of normallity and ability should stop. Yes, who are we to say what is normal? But at the same time, who are we to question people who question us? Should we live in a forever-questioning-each other world, or would we rather show that that which they question is not only illogical, but completely pathetic and useless to have questioned in the beginning? What I think a lot of people need to realize is complaining doesn&#39;t change anything, and if you continue to complain about everything bad in your life, yet you never seek help to solutions, then the only person you can blame is yourself. If someone is judging you, ask them why they do so or get authority to help.

Trust me, I have thought about everything people think about in this thread. I, too used to question my peers, I questioned everyone around me, but if we always defy everything and dislike the outcomes, or aren&#39;t ready for it&#39;s reactions, then I suggest you cease asking those questions, at least until you know you&#39;re ready for some hard hitting truth, lies or assumptions. It&#39;s never easy, but no one said life was easy. :)

edit: By no means do I encourage violence. I forgot to say that. In no way do I encourage you to take it to a violent level of compromise. Violence will only strike negativity into one, whether it is fear or anger. Please do not take what I say with 100% truthful heart as I battle my own demons. All I am saying is that there are solutions. They might or might not solve many of problems we face today, but it beats being miserable. However, do not take a gun to school and shoot anyone nor go up to someone and punch them out. Please think rational.

[Tomi]

Every once in a while a suicidal thought comes into my head, but then I kill it by asking myself, "What the fuck would that achieve? So many people would miss you, it&#39;s not even funny." Then think of something else completely different so it doesnt come back. Works for me.


If anyone does have any problems, I&#39;m here. I&#39;ve talked a bunch of people out of it. :)

[CloserToCrawling]

Originally posted by HybridMinoda@Apr 26 2005, 02:24 AM
You know, Keaton, I never get a chance to say this, because I&#39;m kind of a lazy person, or it escapes my mind. But I admire you a lot, I really do. I always find that your posts are in the upmost helpful, or just intruiging to read. Either way, I appreciate a lot that you take the time to type nearly essays sometimes, all at the expense of helping someone else whom you may not even know in person. Like I said, I&#39;m not suicidal nor have I ever been, but I have a feeling that what you wrote is going to affect someone positively. :)
I second that. Thanks Keaton&#33; :hugz:

[Louis]

Wow. I have read many of the stories that were posted here. I never thought that my thread would have gotten so much attention. Now I&#39;ll explain my part of the story.

Suicide was a word I didn&#39;t learn until the 6th grade...in fact, I was in 5th grade, and I claimed to myself that I simply wanted to kill myself. I had a horrible life then. People had constantly been making fun of me and all my friends never bothered to spend time with me or play with me or anything.

In 6th grade, I got a girlfriend and it lightened me up. She broke up with me, but I got over it quickly. I soon ran into other problems, such as the fact that I knew girls who cut themselves, and me trying to help them as much as I could.

In 7th grade, the girlfriend I had got back together with me, and instantly, she started feeling depressed. She started cutting herself, and even starved herself. It depressed me to the point where, once again, I was back in suicidal mode and became depressed myself. She broke up with me cause of that.

To this day, suicide flips on and off in my mind. I always wonder about the consequences. I think, "If I do kill myself, would I miss the greatest event of my life which would be due to happen?" but then comes the other side, "Don&#39;t have to cause me or anyone else much trouble anymore." It&#39;s been a problem that I can&#39;t solve. Don&#39;t know what to do, where to turn.

But hopefully, in this thread, we can help each other. :)

EDIT:
sucidal=emo. ahhh emo sucks&#33;

I do not appreciate that reply in this topic. Keep your stereotypical comments to yourself.

[Testament]

Well, I first thought of suicide at about 10 years old. I then thought about all the people who would be disappointed, and my parents wondering what they did wrong. I&#39;ve gotten over it, and 14 years later, here I am. ^_^




Oh yeah, I&#39;m always willing to listen and help. :)


EDIT: I was about to commit suicide, until I saw a few heavy metal concerts here, and I found out that there are better things to live for. :mellow: So it&#39;s not quite unfair to say music saved my life.

[LPfreaK1852]

Originally posted by Paul@Apr 25 2005, 10:41 PM
Never thought of suicide and never planning on ever thinking about it. I have absolutely no pity for anyone who commits suicide.
- agree.
sometimes ppl say things like that and cut themselves just to get attention. i know ppl like that. i use to talk to them and what i found is that they feel "longly" to put in a nice way.

[+ / –]

I don&#39;t know. When I look at my life, I&#39;ve made a complete waste. I&#39;m a smart kid, gifted, I can do stuff with the computer (although not as well as, say, Keaton, it&#39;s enough to impress some people), I can write and a bunch of numerous other things. But I&#39;ve wasted it away by being lazy, stupid, and the like. I&#39;ll admit, I&#39;ve made some stupid decisions in my life (as all have), and now it seems to have screwed me over. I&#39;m good, but not great. Not above and beyond. It upsets me at times because I know my parents used to expect such high things from me, and slowly they&#39;ve had to get used to my mediocrity. It sucks because I know that they know that I can do better, and I know I can. This far into it I can&#39;t really change. I&#39;ve tried. But I can&#39;t.

I look forward into my life and I don&#39;t see anything. I&#39;ve done no planning for the future. I&#39;ve wasted it away hanging out with friends, which, although I value that more than school, doesn&#39;t help me in the real world. College? Haven&#39;t even started thinking about it. Career? Like there&#39;s anything I excel at. I have nothing going for me, no great plan for life. A lot of people don&#39;t, but for me... I just feel wasted.

Around my friends... I don&#39;t know. Many people have told me that I act differently when I&#39;m with people than when I&#39;m not, life, for example, hanging out with only one friend or while online. Two different personas... one&#39;s a complete ass and the other is me. I act like an ass to please people, because face it, I&#39;m a people pleaser. I try to make people happy by making them laugh. Whether by sarcasm, stupidity, etc. And it takes away from what I really am. And I hate that side of me. But when I truly act like myself, which is majorly pessimistic and depressive at times, people get worried. And as a people pleaser... bleh. Forever looping.

I don&#39;t know... more later. I need to get out of the rut.

[goso88]

I look forward into my life and I don&#39;t see anything. I&#39;ve done no planning for the future. I&#39;ve wasted it away hanging out with friends, which, although I value that more than school, doesn&#39;t help me in the real world. College? Haven&#39;t even started thinking about it. Career? Like there&#39;s anything I excel at. I have nothing going for me, no great plan for life.

You mirror my own thoughts exactly.

[Anya]

I&#39;ve thought of suicide numerous times. Whenever I tell people that though, they&#39;re extremely shocked about it because they say I allways seem like a happy upbeat person. I am, I have things in my life that i&#39;m quite happy about but there are also things in my life that make me unhappy as well. Like love for instance, family, stress, friendships, and so on. I don&#39;t think i&#39;m as deep anymore as I used to be with wanting to comit suicided because a long time ago, I probably could&#39;ve died.

My life was a swirl of emotions. I was picked on, beat up on, and I was constantly feeling as if my life would allways be that way.. But over the years, I finally was switched to a different school. I started a new life, made a new reputation and struggled to work as hard as I could to make my unhappy life a happy one.

I made a bunch of friends. David, Caitlin, Aaron, Travis, Zack, Dylan, Kasey, Robbie, Ali, Julian, Zak, Chris, Holly, Shana, Alex, Annie, Leah, Lauren, Jerret, and Kyle. They&#39;re all great people.. and I believe if people work hard enough, they can achieve happiness too. I got tired of being so sad all the time, so I made a change.

I&#39;m sure plenty of people here can too.. Just as long as you try. ;)

[Runawy]

Suicide has crossed my mind before but nothing to the point of seriously considering it. Over the last year a bunch of stuff has happened in my life to make me depressed. family stuff, relationships, friends, school... I&#39;m almost done high school and everyone is talking about how they&#39;ve been accepted into college/university, but I haven&#39;t even thought about it. There&#39;s nothing I want to do. Plus I don&#39;t want to spend the rest of my life working. It seems so pointless... my future seems empty. I have good grades, I could get into any university but I&#39;m lazy. I have no motivation. and thinking like this, that theres nothing in my future, has gotten me to think about suicide, plus all the stuff happening at home right now, trying to help my friend whos suicidal, and this guy I&#39;ve liked since forever have taken their toll on me. sometimes I just want to give up. but still, sometimes life doesnt seem worth it, but then there these moments, no matter how small, where something good happens and its those moments that I live for.

[F-ck Casey]

The only time I&#39;ve ever considered suicide is when I got my first F in 8th grade.

Yeah, fuck you, might be a stupid reason, but there was an enormous amount of pressure on me, and I felt like I let alot of people down when that happen.

[Louis]

Originally posted by Casey@Apr 27 2005, 09:08 PM
The only time I&#39;ve ever considered suicide is when I got my first F in 8th grade.

Yeah, fuck you, might be a stupid reason, but there was an enormous amount of pressure on me, and I felt like I let alot of people down when that happen.
It&#39;s not a stupid reason.

I can understand that. There&#39;s a lot of pressure around that time.

[goso88]

The only time I&#39;ve ever considered suicide is when I got my first F in 8th grade.

Yeah, fuck you, might be a stupid reason, but there was an enormous amount of pressure on me, and I felt like I let alot of people down when that happen.

Lmao, Casey, believe me, I know what you mean :) .

[+ / –]

Originally posted by Casey@Apr 27 2005, 03:08 PM
The only time I&#39;ve ever considered suicide is when I got my first F in 8th grade.

Yeah, fuck you, might be a stupid reason, but there was an enormous amount of pressure on me, and I felt like I let alot of people down when that happen.
Me too, except it was in 6th.

Middle school began the downward spiral.

[Arashi]

Originally posted by HybridMinoda@Apr 26 2005, 02:24 PM
You know, Keaton, I never get a chance to say this, because I&#39;m kind of a lazy person, or it escapes my mind. But I admire you a lot, I really do. I always find that your posts are in the upmost helpful, or just intruiging to read. Either way, I appreciate a lot that you take the time to type nearly essays sometimes, all at the expense of helping someone else whom you may not even know in person. Like I said, I&#39;m not suicidal nor have I ever been, but I have a feeling that what you wrote is going to affect someone positively. :)
Same here. Though I could never really tell that to you Kaeton.

I went through alot of shit a year or two back, and considered suicide, but to be quiet honest I was scared too die, and then now those thoughts are just a memory.

For a suicude, one is generally considered as a coward, however in commiting a suicide one need the courage to kill themselves, as a matter of fact I did, but I couldn&#39;t.

However, it never hurts to try to be positive about things, life sucks, and shit does happen but I don&#39;t think there is a major need to sucide ,untill you can&#39;t face the heavy measures.

[Ryan]

Sorry if this sounds pretty abrupt, but suicide is a cowards way out. There are too many people that care about you if you were to commit suicide.

[Holiday]

Originally posted by Ryan@Apr 27 2005, 11:40 PM
Sorry if this sounds pretty abrupt, but suicide is a cowards way out. There are too many people that care about you if you were to commit suicide.
i dunno about it being the cowards way out. that is kinda harsh. i mean sure, everyone has problems. there are just different ways of dealing w/ them. and if you see no hope in you&#39;re life for anything getting better, why put yourself throught the torture? if you look at it that way, its almost a way to protect yourself.

[+ / –]

Every time I feel like ceasing to exist, I listen to music.

It&#39;s my outlet.

And writing, sometimes.

[Holiday]

Originally posted by Minus Xero@Apr 28 2005, 12:07 AM
Every time I feel like ceasing to exist, I listen to music.

It&#39;s my outlet.

And writing, sometimes.
yup me too......either that or i go out and do stuff.

i have actually been doing drugs as of late to escape such feelings, but that is not a healthy way to deal w/ things. :(

[Gluez]

I think of it though because of a lot of things.... :(

[TheVoodoo]

If you ever feel really depressed and you feel like your life is crap and no one cares just remember there are hundreds of people on this forum that care about you. And hey if you need someone to talk to hit me up on aim netime... lpjzcollision ... I&#39;m always on. Even if alll you need to do is vent. We are here for you.

[fallenangel]

those of you who say that suicide is a cowards way out are wrong.

suicide is only a small part of a larger problem. those who think of suicide have been depressed, maybe for sometime and feel like nothing else will cure them of the depression. depression is a very misunderstood condition, which i myself have to life with. many days, weeks and months can go by and things are great but there also the same times where everything feels so much of an effort that it&#39;s eaiser to give up. depression is also a condition that doesn&#39;t always happen to those how have had a difficult life. it can happen to anyone cause many times it&#39;s a problem with a chemical imbalance in the brain. suicidal thoughts can simply come from this.

so those of you who think that people that think of suicide are mad, then please read up and educate yourself cause one day, depression may take hold of you.

[Kæton]

Warning: Long Post. :P

If you think about it, though, suicide is a &#39;cowardly&#39; action, with all due respect to those who have had this happen in their lives, in reality, suicide is not as logical as people would seem to want to understand.

By all means I understand how one could find life to be difficult, but as fallenangel has stated, the state of "giving up" seems so much easier at times, and this is what suicide is--that&#39;s all it is in relativities. Suicide is the permanent comparison to running away from a problem, and as harsh as that sounds, beyond denial, all would realize that--I have realized it, now that I look back on my own experience(s).

Suicide in a nutshell is one removing him or herself from the existance of life thus discontinuing any future in relations with themselves. Now when you think about that, in what way, shape or form can we then in theory state that suicide is not an instance to "run"? Leaving all behind so you can disappear forever? I honestly think that there are so many other things one could do that do not lead to their death, their discontinuation on life just because their environment is destructive.

I believe one who is depressed becomes more self-destructive and clouded within emotion. Thus I believe they&#39;re lead to believe death is their only answer to their suffering. However, also with depression comes faithless and usually one-track-minded tendencies, thus it&#39;s usually hard to snap out of, and thus people look for theraputic outlets.

I also believe courage has nothing to do with suicide as it was stated earlier in this thread. I believe suicide is more or less influenced by adrenaline. Why? If you play a sport or something that requires a strong amount of attention, you know that getting "psyched" for it will further more boost your abilities, or it becomes a possibility. Usually that "pump" is adrenaline and therefore can make one do things they usually can&#39;t/wouldn&#39;t do. Adrenaline, I believe is like a spark that lights a fuse, eventually that fuse causes an explosion of some sort, could be energy, could just be what people believe is "courage." So in that sense, I believe people who are on the verge of acting on suicide pump adrenaline through their bodies, usually thinking of all the bad things that&#39;ll encourage them to act upon it. I&#39;m not saying that this is always the reason, but I do believe it&#39;s a large part of suicide in action/before the act is commited.

Now getting back to this idea of weakness within suicide. One who is told they are a coward for being suicidal, I think, would encourage them to do it even more. I think us as humans have this nature to prove people wrong, especially when it&#39;s personal, so when someone says, "I bet you can&#39;t jump this small gap," the probabilities are there, and someone just might try it. So I believe that people who consider suicide to be weak or powerless to one&#39;s self do not in fact help the situation, because it&#39;s that doubt in which peers have for eachother is what makes this society suck big time (in my opinion). Self doubt mixed with peer doubt, I think, is a major reason why people are suicidal, and with depression usually ruling out faith (I use this term non-religiously) in one&#39;s self, it creates large amounts of unnecessary drama and inconsistant balances in positive and negative elements in one&#39;s life.

What I say is my own opinion from experience and stories. My friend who had commited suicide was popular. He was an athlete, he was well liked, he had good friends and he was happy, or so people thoughts. In the end, I think it was his family that he couldn&#39;t take. And using my friend as an example, he could have gotten help. Could have talked to his school counciler, could have tried to find a doctor, something to that effect. But it&#39;s people&#39;s perspective of those who need help that I think people fear when wanting to find the help they need. It&#39;s the fear of being called a coward, being considered "crazy" or being singled out for it--all these probably play a part in their emotions or they would in fact get the help they need.

I think with many problems, there are solutions, but like I explained before, I think when one becomes depressed, they also grow more lazy and not too keen on trust or dependance. I think during one&#39;s depressive state of mind, one feels the need to be independant, self-reliant and can&#39;t trust another living soul, and thus this paranoia, or this fear--whatever it is, it causes them to feel worthless--that because they do not seek the help, that people will not come, and a lot of the time, I don&#39;t think this is the answer. I think people believe this, never seeing that they can in fact make a change, so thus they believe since no one is coming to them much less them going to anyone else becomes frustrating and thus leads to suicide.

I know I in fact have a lot to say. To be honest, suicide intrigues me, and not in a sick way. For a long time I was suicidal, felt worthless, but as I slowly dug myself out of that hole, I slowly realize how different I was and could be. I&#39;m more now after how it is people react and think during these areas, how one believes certain things when in a depressive state of mind. Everything I&#39;ve said above is my theories, which I do take from experience, observation and research. Whereas I know people will not read these long "essays" I seem to type, nor will many probably agree with me at point and time due to some self denial, I still stand by it until I am futher informed of any differences.


But to bring myself back down to a level of not-so-lecture-like, I&#39;ll be a bit personal now. If anyone knows anything about me, I am a freelance artist and design medium. It sounds awesome, it&#39;s awesome that I&#39;ve chosen a career and I&#39;m good at it, all of that sounds amazing, I agree. However there are days I wake up and believe I&#39;m wasting my life away. How far will designing get me in life? How can I make a living off of a salary like that? How can I raise a family off of it? How can I live differently than the slums I live in now? All these questions surround me sometimes, and I don&#39;t know what to do.

I can be an asshole at times, especially when you interrupt me working, but for the most part, I am a humble guy and I am for the most part one of the most respective people I know... when I try, lol. But there is no doubt in my mind that I feel sometimes I could end up a loser. Considering I attend a charter school, this means no social interaction. I have more online friends than I do real life because my real life "friends" take advantage of me or follow those who do so.

In retrospect, my life has been pointless up until I made it worth something--that was to be me, and some how take on the world in my own way. Now this is where people would think I&#39;m being cheesy, but in fact, I am being real. People call me naieve, that I am shooting for stuff way out of my reach. The kids who grow up in Hawaii become losers; surfers or football players at the most are the only thing Hawaii cares for. The arts, the stuff I love, Hawaii does not appreciate it as much. So in retrospect what it was that I was doing was worthless, and considering I used to charge so little, it was pathetic.

But I turned that all around. My life has meaning now that I put that "umph" or that extra push into it. I may not be the best, but that doesn&#39;t mean I can&#39;t excell and be the best in my own way. I like to believe I have one of the most random and artistic minds that I know, and that&#39;s what I love about myself. That my works of art are not stationary, they&#39;re not considered to be one thing, they&#39;re undefinable. I like that. Being undefinable. It goes for my fashion sense and hilariously enough, my speech (the way I talk). It even effect my music, that in which I believe has given me new reason to continue life as an artist.

Now I share this because I hope this rubs off on someone else. You can believe your life is worthless, but if you do nothing to make it worth something, I wouldn&#39;t call it worthless. I would consider it a large procrastination on your part, and with all due respect, you shouldn&#39;t procrastinate on something like that. Like I&#39;ve stated before, I think every individual has potential--it&#39;s just how you live your life, I think. Even if it&#39;s something like Minus Xero&#39;s situation. I don&#39;t know if it&#39;s accurate enough, but it sounds as if Minus might be afraid of the world, and afraid he can&#39;t live up to any potential, and that&#39;s fine because many people feel like the time they spent in school was wasted because they came out of it still not knowing what they wanted to do with their lives.

I&#39;m not here to preach, but I know for a fact people naturally dwell on negatives more than positives. If you want to test how people react to negatives and positives, ask people to describe the good and bads about them. Try listing them. Usually people will be able to come up with more bad things than good things about themselves, this is what I mean by the inbalances of negative and positive elements. I think depression honestly throws this balance wayy off and naturally, people will stick with the negatives and disregard the postives.

My &#036;3.02. Sorry it&#39;s so long. :lol: This is like... A major subject in my opinion. And again, this is just my opinion, but hopefully people will read, and understand this is just where I come from, what I&#39;ve seen and what I know. I&#39;d be glad to discuss anything anyone has to say about what I believe because this is how I&#39;d learn the way people think and feel about such a subject as suicide, so don&#39;t be afraid to say it. You don&#39;t even have to talk about it here, you can contact me off LPA, as well. :)

[fallenangel]

keaton, you have said everything i want to say. for me, life is hard and a constant battle with depression and i still do think of suicide and very low points but i have a my little girl who will always keep me here on this earth and i am greatful for that. i have also picked my life up cause the fear of failing was so great that i would not attempt anything. now i am in my third year of universtity and doing well all with keeping a house and a family going. so when life gets me down, i have to look around me and relise that life is worth living. but it doesn&#39;t mean the inner battle i have has gone, cause it&#39;s always there. i just have more to live for now. ^_^

[aki*lp]

@Kaeton-- I didn&#39;t read that , it was to long &#33;&#33;&#33;

[minuteforce]

i thought about suicide - it&#39;s only now i realise how irrational it was.
but, yeah, when you see no other way out of a predicament, you only see your final option; i considered it but never really went through with seeing how much i&#39;ve achieved in my life already.

[J-Flex]

suiciders are the coolest&#33;
they solve every trouble with their actions and make everybody happy with it GO Suiciders GO &#33;&#33;&#33;&#33;

Al-Qaida suiciders are much more intellegent than a desperate/depressed suicider because they do it for a better reason and with a goal...

[Louis]

Originally posted by Kæton@Apr 29 2005, 12:42 PM
Warning: Long Post. :P

If you think about it, though, suicide is a &#39;cowardly&#39; action, with all due respect to those who have had this happen in their lives, in reality, suicide is not as logical as people would seem to want to understand.

By all means I understand how one could find life to be difficult, but as fallenangel has stated, the state of "giving up" seems so much easier at times, and this is what suicide is--that&#39;s all it is in relativities. Suicide is the permanent comparison to running away from a problem, and as harsh as that sounds, beyond denial, all would realize that--I have realized it, now that I look back on my own experience(s).

Suicide in a nutshell is one removing him or herself from the existance of life thus discontinuing any future in relations with themselves. Now when you think about that, in what way, shape or form can we then in theory state that suicide is not an instance to "run"? Leaving all behind so you can disappear forever? I honestly think that there are so many other things one could do that do not lead to their death, their discontinuation on life just because their environment is destructive.

I believe one who is depressed becomes more self-destructive and clouded within emotion. Thus I believe they&#39;re lead to believe death is their only answer to their suffering. However, also with depression comes faithless and usually one-track-minded tendencies, thus it&#39;s usually hard to snap out of, and thus people look for theraputic outlets.

I also believe courage has nothing to do with suicide as it was stated earlier in this thread. I believe suicide is more or less influenced by adrenaline. Why? If you play a sport or something that requires a strong amount of attention, you know that getting "psyched" for it will further more boost your abilities, or it becomes a possibility. Usually that "pump" is adrenaline and therefore can make one do things they usually can&#39;t/wouldn&#39;t do. Adrenaline, I believe is like a spark that lights a fuse, eventually that fuse causes an explosion of some sort, could be energy, could just be what people believe is "courage." So in that sense, I believe people who are on the verge of acting on suicide pump adrenaline through their bodies, usually thinking of all the bad things that&#39;ll encourage them to act upon it. I&#39;m not saying that this is always the reason, but I do believe it&#39;s a large part of suicide in action/before the act is commited.

Now getting back to this idea of weakness within suicide. One who is told they are a coward for being suicidal, I think, would encourage them to do it even more. I think us as humans have this nature to prove people wrong, especially when it&#39;s personal, so when someone says, "I bet you can&#39;t jump this small gap," the probabilities are there, and someone just might try it. So I believe that people who consider suicide to be weak or powerless to one&#39;s self do not in fact help the situation, because it&#39;s that doubt in which peers have for eachother is what makes this society suck big time (in my opinion). Self doubt mixed with peer doubt, I think, is a major reason why people are suicidal, and with depression usually ruling out faith (I use this term non-religiously) in one&#39;s self, it creates large amounts of unnecessary drama and inconsistant balances in positive and negative elements in one&#39;s life.

What I say is my own opinion from experience and stories. My friend who had commited suicide was popular. He was an athlete, he was well liked, he had good friends and he was happy, or so people thoughts. In the end, I think it was his family that he couldn&#39;t take. And using my friend as an example, he could have gotten help. Could have talked to his school counciler, could have tried to find a doctor, something to that effect. But it&#39;s people&#39;s perspective of those who need help that I think people fear when wanting to find the help they need. It&#39;s the fear of being called a coward, being considered "crazy" or being singled out for it--all these probably play a part in their emotions or they would in fact get the help they need.

I think with many problems, there are solutions, but like I explained before, I think when one becomes depressed, they also grow more lazy and not too keen on trust or dependance. I think during one&#39;s depressive state of mind, one feels the need to be independant, self-reliant and can&#39;t trust another living soul, and thus this paranoia, or this fear--whatever it is, it causes them to feel worthless--that because they do not seek the help, that people will not come, and a lot of the time, I don&#39;t think this is the answer. I think people believe this, never seeing that they can in fact make a change, so thus they believe since no one is coming to them much less them going to anyone else becomes frustrating and thus leads to suicide.

I know I in fact have a lot to say. To be honest, suicide intrigues me, and not in a sick way. For a long time I was suicidal, felt worthless, but as I slowly dug myself out of that hole, I slowly realize how different I was and could be. I&#39;m more now after how it is people react and think during these areas, how one believes certain things when in a depressive state of mind. Everything I&#39;ve said above is my theories, which I do take from experience, observation and research. Whereas I know people will not read these long "essays" I seem to type, nor will many probably agree with me at point and time due to some self denial, I still stand by it until I am futher informed of any differences.


But to bring myself back down to a level of not-so-lecture-like, I&#39;ll be a bit personal now. If anyone knows anything about me, I am a freelance artist and design medium. It sounds awesome, it&#39;s awesome that I&#39;ve chosen a career and I&#39;m good at it, all of that sounds amazing, I agree. However there are days I wake up and believe I&#39;m wasting my life away. How far will designing get me in life? How can I make a living off of a salary like that? How can I raise a family off of it? How can I live differently than the slums I live in now? All these questions surround me sometimes, and I don&#39;t know what to do.

I can be an asshole at times, especially when you interrupt me working, but for the most part, I am a humble guy and I am for the most part one of the most respective people I know... when I try, lol. But there is no doubt in my mind that I feel sometimes I could end up a loser. Considering I attend a charter school, this means no social interaction. I have more online friends than I do real life because my real life "friends" take advantage of me or follow those who do so.

In retrospect, my life has been pointless up until I made it worth something--that was to be me, and some how take on the world in my own way. Now this is where people would think I&#39;m being cheesy, but in fact, I am being real. People call me naieve, that I am shooting for stuff way out of my reach. The kids who grow up in Hawaii become losers; surfers or football players at the most are the only thing Hawaii cares for. The arts, the stuff I love, Hawaii does not appreciate it as much. So in retrospect what it was that I was doing was worthless, and considering I used to charge so little, it was pathetic.

But I turned that all around. My life has meaning now that I put that "umph" or that extra push into it. I may not be the best, but that doesn&#39;t mean I can&#39;t excell and be the best in my own way. I like to believe I have one of the most random and artistic minds that I know, and that&#39;s what I love about myself. That my works of art are not stationary, they&#39;re not considered to be one thing, they&#39;re undefinable. I like that. Being undefinable. It goes for my fashion sense and hilariously enough, my speech (the way I talk). It even effect my music, that in which I believe has given me new reason to continue life as an artist.

Now I share this because I hope this rubs off on someone else. You can believe your life is worthless, but if you do nothing to make it worth something, I wouldn&#39;t call it worthless. I would consider it a large procrastination on your part, and with all due respect, you shouldn&#39;t procrastinate on something like that. Like I&#39;ve stated before, I think every individual has potential--it&#39;s just how you live your life, I think. Even if it&#39;s something like Minus Xero&#39;s situation. I don&#39;t know if it&#39;s accurate enough, but it sounds as if Minus might be afraid of the world, and afraid he can&#39;t live up to any potential, and that&#39;s fine because many people feel like the time they spent in school was wasted because they came out of it still not knowing what they wanted to do with their lives.

I&#39;m not here to preach, but I know for a fact people naturally dwell on negatives more than positives. If you want to test how people react to negatives and positives, ask people to describe the good and bads about them. Try listing them. Usually people will be able to come up with more bad things than good things about themselves, this is what I mean by the inbalances of negative and positive elements. I think depression honestly throws this balance wayy off and naturally, people will stick with the negatives and disregard the postives.

My &#036;3.02. Sorry it&#39;s so long. :lol: This is like... A major subject in my opinion. And again, this is just my opinion, but hopefully people will read, and understand this is just where I come from, what I&#39;ve seen and what I know. I&#39;d be glad to discuss anything anyone has to say about what I believe because this is how I&#39;d learn the way people think and feel about such a subject as suicide, so don&#39;t be afraid to say it. You don&#39;t even have to talk about it here, you can contact me off LPA, as well. :)
Warning: Long Post Keaton did this as a warning. So I might as well warn you all as well.

You are very right. I appreciate you for mentioning that.

What caught my attention was when you mentioned about your friend.

You see, you are right, however, about how people could see a school counciler about suicide and/or seek a doctor for help. But I know a psychiatrist and he says this.

When people see suicide, they automatically think of anti-depressants. A doctor sees a depressed boy or girl. Bam. Anti-depressants.

Now, for most of the time, these anti-depressants usually work. But only for the time they are being used. The solid odd out of this world thing is that...12 year old children are on these pills. Doctors are out of their minds. You can&#39;t put a kid on that powerful of a drug. It&#39;ll kill them. Afterwards, after they are finished with that prescription, there is a chance of immediate depression...again. If you have not heard on the news, anti-depressants are being looked over due to the fact that anti-depressant takers can actually become more depressed and more suicidal.

Anti-depressants are a big risk. But I&#39;ll say, myself, that it possibly could have saved your friends life. And yes, of course people wouldn&#39;t have expected. A lot of people didn&#39;t figure about my depression until one day, I didn&#39;t talk to anybody. It scared a lot of people. How well people hide their feelings is strange.

I respect you for how you dug yourself out of that hole. Not a lot of people do that.

Somehow...I feel that adrenaline isn&#39;t the case here. Adrenaline, is of course, what makes you anxious, what kicks in from fear. It actually reduces pain...if you are not aware. If you are in a car accident, if you break a leg, your adrenaline will kick in and it won&#39;t hurt as much. Somehow, as important as adrenaline may be to the body, I don&#39;t understand the point of how it motivates suicide.

Suicide is merely a state of mind. Some people think that it&#39;s a phase in a teenagers life which will eventually just fall off when you get older. Suicide is also a result of a chemical imbalance. There are a lot of causes. And depression isn&#39;t necessarily all science. It&#39;s merely from your viewpoint of life. I don&#39;t like life. For Christ&#39;s sake, my parents don&#39;t trust me for shit. A majority of you would say they are just trying to protect me. How can they protect me if they&#39;re not letting me be eager enough to learn about life? They think I know so little. Having parents who can&#39;t trust you just saddens you so much. It saddened me a hell of a lot. To this day, they can&#39;t look at me without thinking, "Is he depressed? Is he upset? Is something wrong with him?" They are literally paranoid over nothing. I despise that. I had a girlfriend who cut herself and always came to me with her problems. It ticked me off even though I had to help her. She was 2 years older than me too. I have two friends, who are girls, who claim to not cut themselves anymore...when you can plainly see newer scars on their arms and wrists every single day. I have to deal with them coming to me, and me seeing those scars. I hate it. I despise it. I have to live in such a confined world, where nothing seems to go right for me at all.

I sometimes think to myself, "Hey, things might look up for you. You never know. A lot of things happen." It seems that everyday, nothing ever leads to such a result. Everyday, something bad happens. Every night, I try to avoid suicidal thoughts but they don&#39;t seem to just disappear from my mind like questions for a teacher. It&#39;s always there. It just seems that suicide is such a big issue for me. I hear the word and I become depressed. You might wonder why I even made such a post if it mentions "Suicide" so much. I made it for possible help and togetherness.

The thing is I don&#39;t hate life. I hate moments. I have good moments, when me and my friends laugh over something hilariously funny and somehow we feel like we&#39;re going to die laughing. And there are other good moments when we win a game and we are happy as can be. But you can&#39;t deny bad moments. I can&#39;t deny the fact that everyday, me and my parents have an argument which keeps a grudge between us for the next 24 hours. I can&#39;t deny parents who don&#39;t consider me trustworthy. I can&#39;t deny the fact that every single day, people make fun of me and tease me and disrespect me. I try to help people so much because of redemption. I was a mean kid in Elementary school. I&#39;m trying to make a fucking effort to turn my life around. But you know, some people just don&#39;t know that, and they make it a point in life to just put people down. I&#39;m one of the victims. Always have been, and always will be.

I don&#39;t understand, also, how you can say that suicide is just saying that the person is a coward? Suicide may be just some way of giving up. But think about it...what are they giving up? They&#39;re giving up what they think is hell. They think it&#39;s right. Now, people know their morals. But you can&#39;t deny someone&#39;s morals in their mind. It&#39;s not like a math problem, where there may just be one answer, and that only answer is right and everything else is wrong. People think suicide is a right option if they think that nothing could help them. There are people who do seek help, but still commit suicide. I know kids like that. Recently, two kids committed suicide. One from one high school in the area, and the other from another high school. It was mentioned that both seeked help. What&#39;d they do? They still though that suicide was a well-thought out option. Your point of view is partly correct, but you can&#39;t tell someone who knows their own morals that they are wrong. It&#39;s hard to convince someone out of suicide. Unless you want to go into the drugging issue again.

All I&#39;m saying is, you&#39;re absolutely right. And I might be wrong because, of course, you knew how it felt. But the thing is, since you&#39;re happier now, you&#39;re looking at things from both an inside and outside perspective. Somethings just aren&#39;t completely correct. Emotions are different from outside-looking-in speculations.


suiciders are the coolest&#33;
they solve every trouble with their actions and make everybody happy with it GO Suiciders GO &#33;&#33;&#33;&#33;

Al-Qaida suiciders are much more intellegent than a desperate/depressed suicider because they do it for a better reason and with a goal...

I do not appreciate that comment. How can you say that suicidal people are the coolest. You are definitely anti-life. You&#39;re just disrespecting the thread. Suicide is not a "cool" issue.

Anyway, so I think I&#39;ve made my point. But one more thing.

You see...emotion is so unpredictable...you can&#39;t just say how cowardliness is involved with suicide all of the time...or how giving up is just what suicide is. People have different thoughts. All of you...think about it.

I would like to thank...again...all of those who have responded to this thread. I think this is letting out what some of us have been keeping in for a long time.

[J-Flex]

Originally posted by GiriosXeni@Apr 29 2005, 11:44 PM

suiciders are the coolest&#33;
they solve every trouble with their actions and make everybody happy with it GO Suiciders GO &#33;&#33;&#33;&#33;

Al-Qaida suiciders are much more intellegent than a desperate/depressed suicider because they do it for a better reason and with a goal...

I do not appreciate that comment. How can you say that suicidal people are the coolest. You are definitely anti-life. You&#39;re just disrespecting the thread. Suicide is not a "cool" issue.

that was sarcasm

i have no sympathy for any kind of suicide action

-you don&#39;t solve anything
-you don&#39;t remove pain
-you won&#39;t make anyone happy
-pointless
-the fact that people talk about it shows that people care about the one who died, so the one who died is selfish enough not to think about them, and if no one knows about their die good rip case closed.


suiciders are just fuckin selfish people who just care about their own feelings and no one else, they don&#39;t know how many people try to survive and live a second longer.
how many ill people or how many families in disasters and wars try to save their life, and suiciders don&#39;t care about the gift been alive, they are unhappy that god created them and let them live so i guess they better chose their way and should deserve to die then.

[KirbyRockz]

I like living in a two-story home.
You can think about jumping out of your room window.

Totally serious.

[Kæton]

J-Flex, do me a favor, if you have got nothing to say that complies with the word understanding, keep yourself out of this thread. Your opinions matter, but no one is going to believe you have a proper understanding when you come in with sarcasm. Your sarcasm is not only pathetic, but unnecessary. Thanks. Plus, war does not mean that it has bettered this world. War is killing others to make some political statement whether it be over land, religion or "to get back at another nation." And try to keep religious beliefs out of this discussion, because it&#39;s also unnecessary, we&#39;re not talking about what one believes, this is the action of what one feels.


Now back on topic, I understand where you&#39;re coming from GiriosXeni. Considering I wrote that at around 2:30-3:00AM, let&#39;s see if I can ellaborate a bit more.

First, I think suicide has a form of adrenaline in it because of the instance it takes. Adrenaline can make one emotionally and physically stronger, like you said, the mind can then block out pain. I&#39;ve been in enough fights, accidents and experiences to know this. One can train their mind to disregard pain, and in fact, in some instances, one can completely disregard anything if the mind is set to that.

It&#39;s always been adrenaline for me, at least. Everytime I wanted to suicide, it was because I always thought of the crap that made my life suck. I always thought because I could never have "real" friends, that my life was pointless. Because I wasn&#39;t living to a standard, I believed my life to be worthless. The only thoughts that ran through my head when I were suicidal were negative, and that&#39;s how it goes, thus my idea of inbalances.


I also agree with the use of anti-depressants. Though we need to remember that we&#39;re not psychic. I believe doctors put children on anti-depressants though I agree is stupid, because they don&#39;t know every aspect of that person&#39;s life. Now in general, this is always going to be the case--thus I cannot tell you or anyone else how to think because I don&#39;t know any of you to the point I know everything that happened in you lives. However with what I say is just from one point of view to the next. From one experienced to another. To futher more find an answer to reduce suffering.


Second, if you don&#39;t mind, GiriosXeni, I would like to just suggest something towards your parent issue. I know many people who have parents who do not trust them. From what I can understand, I assume this means they limit you on what you can/cannot do and they might try to control your thought process? I think your parents might be trying to protect you, yes, protect you from the world, but in that event, it&#39;s not working, maybe they don&#39;t see it, maybe they don&#39;t know what to do, but it might be they are afraid to let their kid grow up. My parents don&#39;t trust me that much, either. My parents still treat me like a five year old sometimes, but I can&#39;t blame them because letting go is sometimes the hardest thing to do for a parent. To let their child go and grow up sometimes will scare a parent... or so I am assuming. I&#39;m not a parent, but it only sounds logical. However, I don&#39;t know your situation, so it&#39;d be hard for me to say that this is all correct, etc.

Finally, my comparison between the words coward and running shouldn&#39;t be taken as if I were still calling one a coward. I meant for this: I find suicide to be the easiest way to avoid a problem. It&#39;s to avoid, nothing more, nothing less. The act of suicide is to in fact remove yourself, like removing a stone from the ground, but you can&#39;t put it back. What I meant by my comparison is not that I am saying suicide is cowardly, I mean that it is the weakest answer to the problem.

I do understand it is hard. I have been to that, but as you said, yes, I do look at this from the opposite stand point. But no matter where I stand with suicide, that doesn&#39;t change how I feel about it. When I was suicidal, I felt this way. I felt useless, but I don&#39;t want those who love me to suffer, those who have known me to cry, mourn for me, etc. I would think it&#39;d be pretty heartless of a person to laugh at another one&#39;s death--I think that&#39;s pretty inhumane, but we don&#39;t think that way when we&#39;re depressed. We think that us dying means people will be happier, or something to that extent.

Believe me, I&#39;ve grown up in the more horrible of environments. Prejudice and unaccepting to differences, I&#39;m lucky to be alive. If not from suicide, then those who hate me for being different, I should be dead. I have in fact had to fight for my life for being a "rocker" with my own opinions. Being shunned from my old high shcool, it&#39;s a bitch.

But this is what I mean. We can look at ourselves as low-life people, or we can do something about it. It won&#39;t happen instantly, you must understand. For me, it took me two years of straight abuse before I finally found my answer, but I didn&#39;t want to give up, though I wanted to. I wanted to so much, but the intolerance wouldn&#39;t stop me, and it shouldn&#39;t stop you or anyone around you from making your life better. For two and a half years, I suffered their intolerance, their unacceptable behavior, but I found a way to a better life. Charter school was my answer. Less social interaction, but something I was willing to sacrafice to wake up every day knowing I wouldn&#39;t have to deal with douche bags. Now family is different. I don&#39;t hate my parents, but my parents are barely home as is, so technically I can only hate them for barely being here for me. I tried to fix their problems, but it might just not happen, sadly, that&#39;s how it goes sometimes. But no problem like how your parents treat you should mean you need to pay with your life.

But I&#39;ll cut it short for now. All I can say is that nothing good comes quickly. I suffered a long time before I found a new sense of happiness, but all I can say is to not continuously be hopeful. Make something of the things you already have. Disregard those who make your life worse, that&#39;s all I can really say, though that&#39;s hard. I&#39;ve been lucky enough to have a good sense of who I am, whether you are the same or not, all I have to say is never give up. Don&#39;t let these ignoramus get the upper hand and let them throw you around. The world is full of these mean people, but it doesn&#39;t mean we can&#39;t still live without them, right?

But look, to anyone who is taking what I say to heart, you have to remember I am speaking from personal background. I have been to the lowest of lows, I have been the exteme outcast, the worse of the "losers," I&#39;ve been rediculed and isolated for a long time, but I never let it stop me. All I can share with is how I overcame my problems in hopes it&#39;ll inspire those who read my rather long posts and come up with solutions. Also, like I said, it takes more than just one thing. YOU need to make it happen. A doctor can only do so much, a counciler can only do so much. If you feel suicidal, call the suicide hotline. I mean, there are so many greater things to do. They take some time, but like I said, good things come with time. :)

Emotions differ in every individual, but from what I say, I&#39;d rather people take it as a guideline to find their own ways out of their problems rahter than trying to compare and contrast to my life/experience(s).

[User Name]

Originally posted by J-Flex+Apr 29 2005, 04:56 PM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (J-Flex @ Apr 29 2005, 04:56 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> <!--QuoteBegin--GiriosXeni@Apr 29 2005, 11:44 PM

suiciders are the coolest&#33;
they solve every trouble with their actions and make everybody happy with it GO Suiciders GO &#33;&#33;&#33;&#33;

Al-Qaida suiciders are much more intellegent than a desperate/depressed suicider because they do it for a better reason and with a goal...

I do not appreciate that comment. How can you say that suicidal people are the coolest. You are definitely anti-life. You&#39;re just disrespecting the thread. Suicide is not a "cool" issue.

that was sarcasm

i have no sympathy for any kind of suicide action

-you don&#39;t solve anything
-you don&#39;t remove pain
-you won&#39;t make anyone happy
-pointless
-the fact that people talk about it shows that people care about the one who died, so the one who died is selfish enough not to think about them, and if no one knows about their die good rip case closed.


suiciders are just fuckin selfish people who just care about their own feelings and no one else, they don&#39;t know how many people try to survive and live a second longer.
how many ill people or how many families in disasters and wars try to save their life, and suiciders don&#39;t care about the gift been alive, they are unhappy that god created them and let them live so i guess they better chose their way and should deserve to die then. [/b][/quote]
Do us all a favor and just stop posting. You have no idea what it&#39;s like to go down that road, do you? Yeah, that&#39;s what I thought. Shut it.

[Louis]

Originally posted by Kæton@Apr 30 2005, 12:42 AM
J-Flex, do me a favor, if you have got nothing to say that complies with the word understanding, keep yourself out of this thread. Your opinions matter, but no one is going to believe you have a proper understanding when you come in with sarcasm. Your sarcasm is not only pathetic, but unnecessary. Thanks. Plus, war does not mean that it has bettered this world. War is killing others to make some political statement whether it be over land, religion or "to get back at another nation." And try to keep religious beliefs out of this discussion, because it&#39;s also unnecessary, we&#39;re not talking about what one believes, this is the action of what one feels.


Now back on topic, I understand where you&#39;re coming from GiriosXeni. Considering I wrote that at around 2:30-3:00AM, let&#39;s see if I can ellaborate a bit more.

First, I think suicide has a form of adrenaline in it because of the instance it takes. Adrenaline can make one emotionally and physically stronger, like you said, the mind can then block out pain. I&#39;ve been in enough fights, accidents and experiences to know this. One can train their mind to disregard pain, and in fact, in some instances, one can completely disregard anything if the mind is set to that.

It&#39;s always been adrenaline for me, at least. Everytime I wanted to suicide, it was because I always thought of the crap that made my life suck. I always thought because I could never have "real" friends, that my life was pointless. Because I wasn&#39;t living to a standard, I believed my life to be worthless. The only thoughts that ran through my head when I were suicidal were negative, and that&#39;s how it goes, thus my idea of inbalances.


I also agree with the use of anti-depressants. Though we need to remember that we&#39;re not psychic. I believe doctors put children on anti-depressants though I agree is stupid, because they don&#39;t know every aspect of that person&#39;s life. Now in general, this is always going to be the case--thus I cannot tell you or anyone else how to think because I don&#39;t know any of you to the point I know everything that happened in you lives. However with what I say is just from one point of view to the next. From one experienced to another. To futher more find an answer to reduce suffering.


Second, if you don&#39;t mind, GiriosXeni, I would like to just suggest something towards your parent issue. I know many people who have parents who do not trust them. From what I can understand, I assume this means they limit you on what you can/cannot do and they might try to control your thought process? I think your parents might be trying to protect you, yes, protect you from the world, but in that event, it&#39;s not working, maybe they don&#39;t see it, maybe they don&#39;t know what to do, but it might be they are afraid to let their kid grow up. My parents don&#39;t trust me that much, either. My parents still treat me like a five year old sometimes, but I can&#39;t blame them because letting go is sometimes the hardest thing to do for a parent. To let their child go and grow up sometimes will scare a parent... or so I am assuming. I&#39;m not a parent, but it only sounds logical. However, I don&#39;t know your situation, so it&#39;d be hard for me to say that this is all correct, etc.

Finally, my comparison between the words coward and running shouldn&#39;t be taken as if I were still calling one a coward. I meant for this: I find suicide to be the easiest way to avoid a problem. It&#39;s to avoid, nothing more, nothing less. The act of suicide is to in fact remove yourself, like removing a stone from the ground, but you can&#39;t put it back. What I meant by my comparison is not that I am saying suicide is cowardly, I mean that it is the weakest answer to the problem.

I do understand it is hard. I have been to that, but as you said, yes, I do look at this from the opposite stand point. But no matter where I stand with suicide, that doesn&#39;t change how I feel about it. When I was suicidal, I felt this way. I felt useless, but I don&#39;t want those who love me to suffer, those who have known me to cry, mourn for me, etc. I would think it&#39;d be pretty heartless of a person to laugh at another one&#39;s death--I think that&#39;s pretty inhumane, but we don&#39;t think that way when we&#39;re depressed. We think that us dying means people will be happier, or something to that extent.

Believe me, I&#39;ve grown up in the more horrible of environments. Prejudice and unaccepting to differences, I&#39;m lucky to be alive. If not from suicide, then those who hate me for being different, I should be dead. I have in fact had to fight for my life for being a "rocker" with my own opinions. Being shunned from my old high shcool, it&#39;s a bitch.

But this is what I mean. We can look at ourselves as low-life people, or we can do something about it. It won&#39;t happen instantly, you must understand. For me, it took me two years of straight abuse before I finally found my answer, but I didn&#39;t want to give up, though I wanted to. I wanted to so much, but the intolerance wouldn&#39;t stop me, and it shouldn&#39;t stop you or anyone around you from making your life better. For two and a half years, I suffered their intolerance, their unacceptable behavior, but I found a way to a better life. Charter school was my answer. Less social interaction, but something I was willing to sacrafice to wake up every day knowing I wouldn&#39;t have to deal with douche bags. Now family is different. I don&#39;t hate my parents, but my parents are barely home as is, so technically I can only hate them for barely being here for me. I tried to fix their problems, but it might just not happen, sadly, that&#39;s how it goes sometimes. But no problem like how your parents treat you should mean you need to pay with your life.

But I&#39;ll cut it short for now. All I can say is that nothing good comes quickly. I suffered a long time before I found a new sense of happiness, but all I can say is to not continuously be hopeful. Make something of the things you already have. Disregard those who make your life worse, that&#39;s all I can really say, though that&#39;s hard. I&#39;ve been lucky enough to have a good sense of who I am, whether you are the same or not, all I have to say is never give up. Don&#39;t let these ignoramus get the upper hand and let them throw you around. The world is full of these mean people, but it doesn&#39;t mean we can&#39;t still live without them, right?

But look, to anyone who is taking what I say to heart, you have to remember I am speaking from personal background. I have been to the lowest of lows, I have been the exteme outcast, the worse of the "losers," I&#39;ve been rediculed and isolated for a long time, but I never let it stop me. All I can share with is how I overcame my problems in hopes it&#39;ll inspire those who read my rather long posts and come up with solutions. Also, like I said, it takes more than just one thing. YOU need to make it happen. A doctor can only do so much, a counciler can only do so much. If you feel suicidal, call the suicide hotline. I mean, there are so many greater things to do. They take some time, but like I said, good things come with time. :)

Emotions differ in every individual, but from what I say, I&#39;d rather people take it as a guideline to find their own ways out of their problems rahter than trying to compare and contrast to my life/experience(s).
Yeah, I also understand where you&#39;re coming from.

I understand what you mean by how parents have a hard time letting go of their children. A majority of parents do. I&#39;ve seen it before. I remember in preschool...somehow...how there was this one parent who wanted to stay with her child the first day. Your comment is understandable and I have now taken it into consideration. My parents are not like that though.

My parents, they are nice people. They have good social lives and good friends. They have good jobs, and they have good lives. From their point of view...they had two wonderful children. My older brother, and I. Now, only recently, have I began to consider that my parents are thinking that they only had 1 wonderful child. My parents ever so constantly tell me that I&#39;m no fun when they are watching a funny movie...or watching an exciting Formula 1 race. They tell me that I make a big deal out of everything...when they have absolutely no idea of what I&#39;m thinking. And your point about letting go...not with my parents. My parents seem eager and happy that my brother is growing up. He recently got a girlfriend and they seem so proud. I bet that once my brother moves out...they&#39;re going to hope...and hope some more, that I move out too.

Alright, suicide may possibly be a way to avoid something...but one thing, Keaton? No offense, but technically, most suicidal people usually focus on many things to think that suicide is a valid option. But there are some people, as you seem to be noting, who kill themselves over one thing. From an outside point of view, it&#39;s probably pointless. For example...I have heard people kill themselves over the fact that someone broke up with them. Now, as emotional as it may be for them, it&#39;s not the biggest deal. Yes, it&#39;s sad, but true. I don&#39;t know if there was one thing that you focused on, even though I highly doubt it since reading your posts, but personally, there are a lot of things that people focus on. I have mentioned a few. Probably a majority of them.

Anyway, about adrenaline. Completely understandable. The mind can block out pain, but it seems that it can&#39;t block out emotional pain. Only certain activites can do that. Your viewpoint is understandable here, as well, but adrenaline usually only blocks physical pain. But then again, you are right. Adrenaline may not necessarily block out emotional pain, but you said that it makes you stronger both physically and emotionally. Adrenaline helps you focus on one thing. And it doesn&#39;t necessarily have to be a suicidal thought or just some random depressing thought. It could be something happy, some activity with your friends. Other things. Another reason why we can appreciate Adrenaline.

By the way (to all)...if you are on cocaine, you have a big chance of destroying your adrenaline tube. Therefore...preventing an adrenaline rush.

Back on topic. I would believe that there are some people who do consider the fact that there are people who care for them and love them. But then again, there are probably just some people who think that their problems just outnumber the fact that people care for them. As stupid...as bad...as saddening as it may sound...some people still do it. I mentioned in my last post about the two high schoolers who committed suicide. They indeed had many people who cared for them. One of them...my friend&#39;s sister knew him very well. He probably knew this. And most likely, so did the other boy. But they might take it into their own consideration that...you know...they have more important things to handle then friendships. It&#39;s sad. I said so previously, people have their own morals and make it a point...especially in a depressed state, to follow those morals. That is what leads to suicide.

I have been reading previous posts before and after yours, Keaton, about how as cowardly suicide may be, people need courage to do it. I agree with those people. I, last year, tried to commit suicide. I regret it, but it took me hours of thinking. Courage...I was afraid. I had barely any. I tried...but the fact is...my grandparents had been visiting. When your grandmother is coming upstairs...especially one of the most loveable people in your family...you suddenly chicken out. I trashed my rope. I trashed anything I ever wrote that was suicidal or depressing. I had to hide it. My family...I put it in front. That&#39;s common...but it was hard. Courage is indeed a factor in this. So, for the people who mentioned it...you, indeed, have made a great point.

You mentioned also how during the suicidal time of your life, it took you two years to get out of that hole. You said you wanted to give up, but you didn&#39;t. You see...after my attempt...I&#39;ve been having the exact same feeling. Should I just give up? Or should I not? Should I risk it? Should I keep trying? It&#39;s hard to decide. I respect you because you did. People do try hard to get themselves out of holes a lot, and prevail...but this is one deep hole. I understand the blood, sweat and tears you probably had to go through just to end this kind of feeling. Oh, the respect I have for you is immense. Same for other people who&#39;ve been through your situation.

In your last comment...I haven&#39;t been trying to compare and contrast. At least...I haven&#39;t been meaning to. I&#39;ve said ever so constantly how this thread was just to get together for help. Not simply to compare...or show off. This isn&#39;t a "who&#39;s the most suicidal" thread where people show their worst. This is merely an optional thread, where you can express feelings. Where people can help you. I consider friends to be better than eager anti-depressant-prescribing doctors. People like J-Flex...his opinion...I understand it. But he was going against this thread and bring unneccessary topics in here such as war.

To J-Flex: Suicide bombers...they don&#39;t want to kill themselves. From my viewpoint, that is. They don&#39;t contemplate doing it. They are cowards fighting for what they think is right. They go in, blow up, and that&#39;s it. I doubt that they have any other reason.

And...as a warning. If anyone close to you just so happens to commit suicide...you will show sympathy. Don&#39;t deny it. You&#39;ll regret it in the end, I promise you.

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I mentioned before in the first few replies to this thread that I&#39;m scared of councilors and hotlines and all of that. They&#39;re going to put me into some place. I&#39;m not going to risk that. I don&#39;t want anti-depressants. I&#39;m trying to solve my problems on my own. But the problem is, I seem to be helping others...like my friends, so much, that I just can&#39;t seem to solve my own. I&#39;m trying, believe me.

There are good things in life...they come from time to time. But there can be so much that comes in between.

[J-Flex]

Originally posted by Kæton+--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (Kæton)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'>
J-Flex, do me a favor, if you have got nothing to say that complies with the word understanding, keep yourself out of this thread. Your opinions matter, but no one is going to believe you have a proper understanding when you come in with sarcasm. Your sarcasm is not only pathetic, but unnecessary. Thanks. Plus, war does not mean that it has bettered this world. War is killing others to make some political statement whether it be over land, religion or "to get back at another nation." And try to keep religious beliefs out of this discussion, because it&#39;s also unnecessary, we&#39;re not talking about what one believes, this is the action of what one feels.
[/b]
wtf political statement? who cares about the statement when your life is threaten?
i have been through war do you think i should let saddam&#39;s army kill me for his statement or for his "nation"? i did the sarcasm because it&#39;s pathetic to throw your life just because you feel unhappy.

as for religion, thanks to religion many people picked their lifes up after losing all their families

I guess you just don&#39;t look further than your own nose



Originally posted by GiriosXeni+--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (GiriosXeni)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'>
People like J-Flex...his opinion...I understand it. But he was going against this thread and bring unneccessary topics in here such as war. [/b]
i brought the war example because suiciders have the choice to survive while victims in wars don&#39;t have it..
living in peace is something what suiciders don&#39;t appriceate. just compare them for a second and you will understand me

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To J-Flex: Suicide bombers...they don&#39;t want to kill themselves. From my viewpoint, that is. They don&#39;t contemplate doing it. They are cowards fighting for what they think is right. They go in, blow up, and that&#39;s it. I doubt that they have any other reason.
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they have a believe that they can help their own people
while susicders don&#39;t even help anyone if you look it from that point of view
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And...as a warning. If anyone close to you just so happens to commit suicide...you will show sympathy. Don&#39;t deny it. You&#39;ll regret it in the end, I promise you.
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offcourse it will hurt me, but suiciders should know that they hurt people around them.
for those who have been warned that it hurts us and they still do it i have no sympathy.
i care about them but they don&#39;t care about my hurt so why would i care about them anymore?

[Kæton]

J-Flex, your whole "unequal care" balance mind frame is so immature. Are you honestly telling me if a loved one pushed away from you because they felt depressed/suicidal, you&#39;d say that you would be unsympathetic and misunderstanding to them? You would give them the notion that you don&#39;t care what they do because of what people who must deal with war conflicts go through? That&#39;s cold, and that whole idea is what the world suffers. It&#39;s a dog-eat-dog world, no doubt, but having absolutely no compassion for those in need of it is just down right stupid.

And I don&#39;t look beyond my own nose? I like to think I am pretty open minded, but considering you made a mockery of what-is-to-others a serious subject, using your little mind frame, since you&#39;re not being sincere, why should I consider anything that comes from you to be sincere? Why should I care that people die in wars if they don&#39;t care about me? They don&#39;t even know me so why should we care for eachother, is that what you&#39;re saying?

I&#39;m not going to get into the war subject because I know no matter what I say, you, J-Flex will only come up with something about tyranny, or devotion to people, and I am not even going to even try to bring political values into this because we&#39;re getting way off subject. If you want to complain about war values, take it to a thread actually talking about how people should feel in and out of war.

Obviously you haven&#39;t been reading what&#39;s been going on in this thread because you&#39;d know I gave props to religion. I suggest you look further than your own nose before you tell me what I haven&#39;t realized about life. It&#39;s obvious you haven&#39;t read this thread and I suggest you do so because you&#39;d realize a lot of people who are suicidal are aware of such things as who they might hurt, but like I&#39;ve already stated, they are not in a clear mind frame. Depression out-weighs what we would normally balance in our lives. That doesn&#39;t mean they don&#39;t care for others. I&#39;ve said this before and I suggest you review it before you reply next time.

I honestly feel, though, J-Flex, this whole "if you don&#39;t care for me, I won&#39;t care for you" idea seems pretty ruthless. I&#39;m not even going to waste my time trying to talk you out of what ever it is you want to think. This thread doesn&#39;t need any more negativity, and that&#39;s all you&#39;re bringing. If you find suicide to be stupid, I rather hear some understanding than a flat out "this-is-my-beef-so-suck-it" attitude I get from you right now. I feel as if you are misinformed with the way one thinks when depressed, and fine by me if that&#39;s what you want to believe, so be it; but if that&#39;s how you&#39;re going to act, then I suggest you just keep yourself out of this thread. You don&#39;t have to reply in it--The thread doesn&#39;t have a neon sign saying "Please, just down every one who is trying to cope with suicidal tendencies because we know it&#39;s oh-so-wrong. We definitely need to be called stupid and not worthy of any form of respect."

I already sense you&#39;re hostile about this whole suicide linked to war thing, and if that&#39;s how you want to be in life, then so be it, if you can wake up every morning thinking like that, more power to you, buddy. The rest of us still have some compassion for others, even if we don&#39;t know them. And one last thing, if I can&#39;t "look past my own nose," why do I offer my hand in listening to people&#39;s problems and trying to be a caring & understanding person to them while you say "screw it" to those who feel this way? And if I&#39;m getting the wrong signals here, then you best explain more clear next time because you really come off that way to me right now.

I&#39;m done with this tie between war and suicide because they&#39;re really an irrelevant comparison. You&#39;re comparing two different types of people, or at least the way they think, and they really shouldn&#39;t be compared that way, but whatever floats your boat.

Final thing, J-Flex. I think anyone who gets overzealous about comparisons of people in war and suicide are not worth anyone&#39;s time, they deserve no sympathy for what they&#39;ve gone through. Does this sound fair? I don&#39;t believe it, but do you think this is a fair statement to make?

@ GiriosXeni: I agree with some of your statements. Like I said, a lot of what I believe is just what I know, or can come to a conclusion with. Adrenaline is something I noticed in myself, and I know it probably isn&#39;t always the answer.

As for your parents, I don&#39;t know what to really say. I could suggest talking to them about how you feel, but that doesn&#39;t work for everyone. Sometimes taking risks to better your life won&#39;t turn out as great, but that is the probability of the action of risk. Taking an almost 50-50 chance in hopes it comes out for the best. Good luck with whatever you decide to do--I hope it makes your life better, though. I&#39;m also sure that you can request that before they make such conclusions as to put you in a hospital or clinic, that you be thoroughly examined. I did this with my counciler and doctor, and yes, back then I was told I was suffering from depression and a few other mental instabilities.

Holes are never easy to get out of. I&#39;ve felt helpless a lot, but like I said, sometimes you just have to go for it and try something. It&#39;s hard to have the will power to keep moving foreword and telling yourself things will be okay because you begin to hope you&#39;re not being naieve, but it shouldn&#39;t be so much about that in my opinion. I was lucky, though. I was given an opportunity to prove myself worthy of my life and I know a lot of people aren&#39;t just given this type of opportunity, and so soon. I do feel greatful for that, but I still hold true to the fact I didn&#39;t give up even though I should have long ago considering who I am and where I come from.

All I can suggest, I think from now on, to those who have read what I have to say is to sieze life&#39;s moments. If you feel your life is dull, then find something to liven it up and you don&#39;t have to turn to substances and certain actions, either. It really takes what some call "soul searching" to really think like myself as I&#39;ve done it a lot and continue to. I learn about myself, my habits and how I interact. I try to learn from my mistakes and build on my strong points, and I think if more people could do this, they wouldn&#39;t be as depressed. This is a bit off topic, though, because this is more just something I personally do, but it helps. But yeah, in the end, a lot of the times it is the state of depression that will cause one to commit suicide and it is sad. It&#39;s sad to see any one die for any reason because a life should be priceless no matter how they died.

As that famous saying goes, "You only want to die for a little while." I never believed it, but I do agree with it to an extent. I think people rather remove themselves from their lives until it gets better. I think it works like a game. People wish they could just pause the game or just watch it play out until they find a moment where they can jump back in and have a good time rather than a bad. All in speculation, though.

[Louis]

To J-Flex: I would just like to say this straight out so that me, you, Keaton, and other responders to this thread don&#39;t have to continue this pointless argument. Your concept is not getting you anywhere. Please stop bringing off-topic and political comments into this thread or I will have no choice but to report you to the moderators and administrators of Linkin Park Association.

I&#39;m sorry if it seems too much like a thread. But I did not want this thread to have responders with unappreciative and inconsiderate comments. You are one of them. I cannot stand people like you, I honestly cannot. You have made your point. You think suicide is a pointless action. Okay, then. We get it. Why are you bringing war into the subject? Why are you bringing politics into the subject? Those two things have nothing to do with suicide. If anything, nothing important.

As Keaton mentioned, your concept of "If they don&#39;t care about me, I don&#39;t care about them" is mean, and not logical. How inconsiderate can you be, J-Flex? I would believe you are smarter than that. Just please, if you are going to bring tyranny into this conversation...stop yourself and stay out of this.

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To Keaton:

I have considered trying to talk to my parents about suicide before. There was one time where I was about to...they found out the rough way. They found a depressing song I wrote and they convinced me out of depression. Only for a small state of time. Once I broke up with my girlfriend, they found out again after a depressing update on an old online journal of mine. So you see, they have tried helping me. They are not completely convinced that I&#39;m okay...therefore always interrogating me in case I somehow go back into a suicidal state. I&#39;m sure they&#39;ll actually try putting me into therapy. I&#39;m afraid of that.

You mentioned seizing life moments. Well, the thing is, I do that. I&#39;m not the kind of person who just sits at home, stays depressed the whole time and does nothing about his problem. I actually try to lighten myself up. I go out with friends. We go the mall and we watch movies and we plays sports and all of the sort. We have good times. We have laughs. Don&#39;t think that my life at the moment is totally shitty. It&#39;s just that there&#39;s a lot going on that just seems to be conflicting with all of these good moments. I seize these moments and I make good memories out of them. Something funny happened only yesterday and sometimes I still laugh to myself because of what happened.

I learn from my mistakes. But the only problem is, I make too many of them. It&#39;s hard to admit, and some people might think, "What is this guy doing? Why would he be admitting mistakes like this?" But it&#39;s true I make a lot of mistakes. As much as I hate to think it, whenever I make mistakes...I always look at benefits, but I&#39;m always blamed for it. Blamed for it in a way where everyone has to make me regret it. If my mom wants me to do something, and I choose not to do it. She&#39;ll take it as a mistake. She&#39;ll make a comment and all of the sudden I&#39;ll regret it. I hate to think this as well, but it&#39;s as if I have to feel guilty every time. For Christ&#39;s sake, even my brother, who&#39;s the closest to me out of the three people I live with (Mom, Dad, and Brother), still sometimes makes me feel guilty about something I do that is not to his benefit.

I&#39;ve had a hard time with life. I&#39;ll say it simply. But don&#39;t think I don&#39;t do anything about it. It&#39;s a point I&#39;ve been trying to make to everyone who knows about my problems. If anyone asked where I would be as far as my hole. Almost at the bottom, probably. But I was at the bottom. I would consider myself to be making progress. But still, I&#39;m down in suicide slums. As bad as it seems, I&#39;m trying to do something about. I&#39;m not letting doctors, councilors, or parents get into the situation in which I got myself into. I&#39;m getting myself out of my own problem.

Let&#39;s be honest. There&#39;s a lot of crap that goes on in our lives. A lot of that crap is hard to deal with. Some consider the option that it&#39;s just not worth bothering to deal with. They know they are going to fail...which leads back to their own morals. They think that failure will be the result. They think that&#39;s right. They think suicide is a good option. It all connects together. Adrenaline may be involved, cowardliness and courage as well...but the truth is...suicide cannot be changed. We can debate it all we want...there will be nothing different about it. People kill themselves. Can we stop it? No. Can we prevent it some of the time? Yes.

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Now, I would like to change the minor subject a little bit...if you don&#39;t mind. I would like to bring paranoia into the conversation.

When I became depressed...I became paranoid. As weird...and as horrible as it seems...I started doing things that I never figured I would do. I started pretending. I started pretending that things were different. I had an alter-ego. I pretended a life just to get away from my depressed-self. Was I desperate, that I do not know. Also...I started hearing things. Whenever I lie down...or not just plain do anything...I hear my name randomly. I don&#39;t trigger a thought which involves my name being heard...it just...happens. I wouldn&#39;t think that paranoia would somehow be involved with depression. I thought they were two different problems.

So, if you could take this into consideration...for those who do respond to this thread...that would be great. We would like to hear your thoughts and opinions.

[fallenangel]

When I became depressed...I became paranoid. As weird...and as horrible as it seems...I started doing things that I never figured I would do. I started pretending. I started pretending that things were different. I had an alter-ego. I pretended a life just to get away from my depressed-self. Was I desperate, that I do not know. Also...I started hearing things. Whenever I lie down...or not just plain do anything...I hear my name randomly. I don&#39;t trigger a thought which involves my name being heard...it just...happens. I wouldn&#39;t think that paranoia would somehow be involved with depression. I thought they were two different problems.

in my opinion, i think you do seriously need to see a professional about this. please do not think that i am being nasty cause i really am not. i just know that if you start to become paranoid, than you may be dealing with a larger problem and depression may be just one of your symptoms. i don&#39;t want to diagnose you, but this could only get worse if you don&#39;t seek help. i know you are scared of seeing anyone about this, but please trust me that they are not there to lock you up in a mad house. those days are long gone.

paranoia can be related to depression but a more serious form of it and it may not be something that you can pull yourself out of. remember that depression is not just a thing that happens to people who have had trumatic things happening to them or those who have just had a shit life. it can simply be a chemical imbalance in the brain.
i currently study stuff at university to do with this kind of problem but by no means i am in a position to diagnose what is happening. that&#39;s why i feel that you should seek professional help.

i hope this helps even just a little. i am only sorry i can not do more but i do have to comply with the british psychological society code of conduct which states that i can not diagnose or give any profesional help. but i can give advice which is please speak to someone about this or at least do some of your own research on it as this can sometimes help you to understand more of what is going on.

[Louis]

Originally posted by fallenangel@Apr 30 2005, 07:02 PM

When I became depressed...I became paranoid. As weird...and as horrible as it seems...I started doing things that I never figured I would do. I started pretending. I started pretending that things were different. I had an alter-ego. I pretended a life just to get away from my depressed-self. Was I desperate, that I do not know. Also...I started hearing things. Whenever I lie down...or not just plain do anything...I hear my name randomly. I don&#39;t trigger a thought which involves my name being heard...it just...happens. I wouldn&#39;t think that paranoia would somehow be involved with depression. I thought they were two different problems.

in my opinion, i think you do seriously need to see a professional about this. please do not think that i am being nasty cause i really am not. i just know that if you start to become paranoid, than you may be dealing with a larger problem and depression may be just one of your symptoms. i don&#39;t want to diagnose you, but this could only get worse if you don&#39;t seek help. i know you are scared of seeing anyone about this, but please trust me that they are not there to lock you up in a mad house. those days are long gone.

paranoia can be related to depression but a more serious form of it and it may not be something that you can pull yourself out of. remember that depression is not just a thing that happens to people who have had trumatic things happening to them or those who have just had a shit life. it can simply be a chemical imbalance in the brain.
i currently study stuff at university to do with this kind of problem but by no means i am in a position to diagnose what is happening. that&#39;s why i feel that you should seek professional help.

i hope this helps even just a little. i am only sorry i can not do more but i do have to comply with the british psychological society code of conduct which states that i can not diagnose or give any profesional help. but i can give advice which is please speak to someone about this or at least do some of your own research on it as this can sometimes help you to understand more of what is going on.
I appreciate that.

But the thing is...I&#39;m not sure if it&#39;s paranoia. I mean...pretending...it&#39;s not like it&#39;s out of my control. It&#39;s like...I choose to do it. And hearing my name...I guess that&#39;s just what the mind does. It doesn&#39;t happen very often...but it happens.

[Tom]

i only thought of suicide when i knew what it ment but i don&#39;t think about it , i reackon that thinking about commiting suicide makes you want to . i hope know one ever does because of what somone has said to them , u have the same rights as every one else and nobody should mock you because you are different.

[fallenangel]

But the thing is...I&#39;m not sure if it&#39;s paranoia. I mean...pretending...it&#39;s not like it&#39;s out of my control. It&#39;s like...I choose to do it. And hearing my name...I guess that&#39;s just what the mind does. It doesn&#39;t happen very often...but it happens.

ok, but if you ever feel out of control that&#39;s when help should be found. don&#39;t be afraid to talk about it. i bet even starting this thread has helped somewhat.

i really hope things work out for you cause i know what depression feels like and suicide is a subject very close to my heart.

[J-Flex]

first of all GiriosXeni
report what ever you like to the mods go ahead.
@keaton
i am comapring these 2 people because they are the same humans both have a life and death choice between them
the one has the choice the other hasn&#39;t
my statement about "if they don&#39;t care about them when they don&#39;t care about me" after i warn them that their death hurt me&#33; read my post again

for those who have been warned that it hurts us and they still do it i have no sympathy.
i care about them but they don&#39;t care about my hurt so why would i care about them anymore?

I&#39;m not going to get into the war subject because I know no matter what I say, you, J-Flex will only come up with something about tyranny, or devotion to people, and I am not even going to even try to bring political values into this because we&#39;re getting way off subject. If you want to complain about war values, take it to a thread actually talking about how people should feel in and out of war.
very weak trying to avoid the discussion by saying it&#39;s another subject both subjects are been involved by the same humans

[Kæton]

I&#39;m not avoiding it because I don&#39;t want to discuss it, it&#39;s because it&#39;s a cheap shot at people who are suicidal. Continue to do so and I will close this thread. ;)

[J-Flex]

Originally posted by Kæton@Apr 30 2005, 10:27 PM
I&#39;m not avoiding it because I don&#39;t want to discuss it, it&#39;s because it&#39;s a cheap shot at people who are suicidal. Continue to do so and I will close this thread. ;)
prove your immaturness ;)

[Kæton]

For the last time, J-Flex, continue to bring your negativity into this thread and I will close it. This thread does not pertain to you, so that should be enough reason to keep yourself out of it. You&#39;ve said your piece, now let those who need people to talk to use this thread.

[Louis]

Originally posted by J-Flex+Apr 30 2005, 10:35 PM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (J-Flex @ Apr 30 2005, 10:35 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> <!--QuoteBegin--Kæton@Apr 30 2005, 10:27 PM
I&#39;m not avoiding it because I don&#39;t want to discuss it, it&#39;s because it&#39;s a cheap shot at people who are suicidal. Continue to do so and I will close this thread. ;)
prove your immaturness ;) [/b][/quote]
J-Flex...I am sick and tired of you replying to my thread with your inconsiderate comments. And must we inform you that by arguing with people who have more power than you on this message board, such as Keaton, is risking you being warned...even banned? I suggest you don&#39;t.

Also, you have caused enough problems in this thread that Keaton has now started threatening to close it. I do not want that. I told you in my previous post that if you make one more comment, I shall report you to an administrator. Since Keaton already knows, I&#39;ll take it to an administrator anyway. I think we can all agree you have caused too much problems in my thread. And to be honest, I&#39;ve had enough.

To fallenangel: Thank you for your concern. I appreciate that.

To Keaton: I&#39;m going to be reporting J-Flex to an administrator. I thank you for helping, once again.

To all who have replied to this thread: I thank you all (excluding J-Flex, who has caused nothing but unappreciative and disrespectable trouble in this thread) for replying and being a part of this thread. I think we all have let out something, and I think it has been helping a few of us (including myself). Thanks again&#33;

[Mark]

Originally posted by J-Flex@Apr 30 2005, 08:05 PM
prove your immaturness ;)
If there was a poster boy for outright arrogance, immaturity, insensitivity, ignorance, and about a hundred more synonyms for the aforementioned traits, you&#39;d undoubtedly be crowned with the status.

There&#39;s a point where an opinion goes too far and becomes offensive, and you&#39;ve crossed that line. Your lack of compassion for the feelings and sentiments of other is absolutely despicable and I&#39;ve never seen the likes of it. Your constant negativity about such a sensitive topic is both senseless and blasphemous. How dare you. How dare you.

You&#39;re warned for the antagonization and disrespect of a staff member. I don&#39;t want to see one more negative post from you in this topic. You&#39;re too smug for your own god damn good, and I highly recommend you stop. Maybe you should come back to Serious Chat once you find a sense of compassion for fellow man, and regain the ability to be civil in your discussions. How you can be so emotionless and stoic about offending others is highly troublesome.

You&#39;ve been warned numerous times to stop. Stop it. Now.

[Arashi]

Originally posted by Mark+May 3 2005, 07:13 AM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (Mark @ May 3 2005, 07:13 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> <!--QuoteBegin--J-Flex@Apr 30 2005, 08:05 PM
prove your immaturness ;)
If there was a poster boy for outright arrogance, immaturity, insensitivity, ignorance, and about a hundred more synonyms for the aforementioned traits, you&#39;d undoubtedly be crowned with the status.

There&#39;s a point where an opinion goes too far and becomes offensive, and you&#39;ve crossed that line. Your lack of compassion for the feelings and sentiments of other is absolutely despicable and I&#39;ve never seen the likes of it. Your constant negativity about such a sensitive topic is both senseless and blasphemous. How dare you. How dare you.

You&#39;re warned for the antagonization and disrespect of a staff member. I don&#39;t want to see one more negative post from you in this topic. You&#39;re too smug for your own god damn good, and I highly recommend you stop. Maybe you should come back to Serious Chat once you find a sense of compassion for fellow man, and regain the ability to be civil in your discussions. How you can be so emotionless and stoic about offending others is highly troublesome.

You&#39;ve been warned numerous times to stop. Stop it. Now. [/b][/quote]
Go Mark&#33;

@Kæton- you have very to the point thinking and strong points which makes you good in giving your views. Did you do debates in your school?[/Random]

J-Flex-- Thinking about what you have said[or rather typed] it seems you are quiet cold towards one&#39;s feelings. A suicider does suicide not because hhe really wants to but it is because he reaches his limits and abilities to handle situations.
People don&#39;t sucide for fun. Mark did a good thing by not letting us see more of your true pessimestic nature.
Your case seems to be closed here. Though my post is open for some more suggestions :lol: .

[Louis]

First, I would like to thank Mark for helping this thread out. You really set him straight there, Mark. I totally respect you for it. And thanks for not closing it. Even though it would be nothing against me, as you said, I&#39;m glad that it can actually keep going from now on...hopefully without pestering disruptions such as J-Flex and his remarks.

At J-Flex: If I see any other comment from you, like Mark said, in this thread, I&#39;ll immediately report it. But I think that Mark has already made a strong enough point and hopefully you took your medicine. We were all sick of your remarks.

To everyone else: I apologize for any inconvienence that J-Flex and his remarks may have caused you. I would think that some of you took his inconsiderate remarks personally, like me, and would think that he is one of the most inconsiderate people you&#39;ve seen. So, I&#39;m sorry.

Alright, let&#39;s hope that this thread continues successfully.

[User Name]

I apologize for any inconvienence that J-Flex and his remarks may have caused you. I would think that some of you took his inconsiderate remarks personally, like me, and would think that he is one of the most inconsiderate people you&#39;ve seen. So, I&#39;m sorry.


You don&#39;t need to apologize for anything, Girios. Those comments were his, not yours.


A suicider does suicide not because he really wants to but it is because he reaches his limits and abilities to handle situations.

Took the words right out of my mouth.

[rosanna]

i have gone forward in my suicidalness. i told michael that every time he breaks up with me i feel like killing myself, and i would never let that happen again, so i won&#39;t ever let him break up with me again. he agreed.


this might sound weird, but he breaks up with me and talks about getting married in the same breath. if youre going to break up with me, don&#39;t marry me. duh.

[Louis]

Originally posted by rosanna1114@May 4 2005, 10:36 PM
i have gone forward in my suicidalness. i told michael that every time he breaks up with me i feel like killing myself, and i would never let that happen again, so i won&#39;t ever let him break up with me again. he agreed.


this might sound weird, but he breaks up with me and talks about getting married in the same breath. if youre going to break up with me, don&#39;t marry me. duh.
I see...

Somehow, I feel that if someone breaks up with you, it&#39;s not a real reason to kill yourself. Have you felt suicidal before you got together with this "Michael" guy?

[Mark]

Originally posted by rosanna1114@May 4 2005, 08:06 PM
i have gone forward in my suicidalness. i told michael that every time he breaks up with me i feel like killing myself, and i would never let that happen again, so i won&#39;t ever let him break up with me again. he agreed.


this might sound weird, but he breaks up with me and talks about getting married in the same breath. if youre going to break up with me, don&#39;t marry me. duh.
I&#39;m sorry, but keeping someone captive in a relationship because they&#39;re afraid you might kill yourself isn&#39;t exactly something you should do to a person. If he tries to break up with you, chances are he&#39;s not as important a person as you think he is and that it wasn&#39;t meant to be (although I don&#39;t believe in fate).

[goso88]

To everyone else: I apologize for any inconvienence that J-Flex and his remarks may have caused you. I would think that some of you took his inconsiderate remarks personally, like me, and would think that he is one of the most inconsiderate people you&#39;ve seen. So, I&#39;m sorry.

Its ok, girl. No apology needed. Its just a thread. Plus, its a given that people are going to clash over their conflicting opinions when it comes to sensitive issues like suicide :) . And when we get heated, a lot of us generally don&#39;t tend to sound our best :mellow: .



i have gone forward in my suicidalness.* i told michael that every time he breaks up with me i feel like killing myself, and i would never let that happen again, so i won&#39;t ever let him break up with me again.* he agreed.


this might sound weird, but he breaks up with me and talks about getting married in the same breath.* if youre going to break up with me, don&#39;t marry me.* duh.

Break-ups are defintely tough and confusing :unsure: .

[rosanna]

Originally posted by GiriosXeni+May 4 2005, 06:52 PM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (GiriosXeni @ May 4 2005, 06:52 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> <!--QuoteBegin--rosanna1114@May 4 2005, 10:36 PM
i have gone forward in my suicidalness. i told michael that every time he breaks up with me i feel like killing myself, and i would never let that happen again, so i won&#39;t ever let him break up with me again. he agreed.


this might sound weird, but he breaks up with me and talks about getting married in the same breath. if youre going to break up with me, don&#39;t marry me. duh.
I see...

Somehow, I feel that if someone breaks up with you, it&#39;s not a real reason to kill yourself. Have you felt suicidal before you got together with this "Michael" guy? [/b][/quote]
yeah i have been hospitalized for being suicidal....he is too....not a good combo i think. and its not like i am forcing him, he just broke up with me again on monday, and half the time he ends up feeling worse than me. i don&#39;t know. its complicated.

[J-Flex]

you people don&#39;t accept other people&#39;s opinion fine&#33; and now i stoped posting here , "for the sake of suicide planners", everyone keeps on offending me&#33;

i have to stop been negative at them well just tell me 1 positive thing from their actions?
thanks to them i get every month late on my way by the train to the uni

from my side the discussion has just started, but if you rather make this a "helping" thread rather than a discussion thread good go a head

[Kæton]

Read the first post in this thread over again, J-Flex.

[J-Flex]

Originally posted by Kæton@May 6 2005, 09:10 AM
Read the first post in this thread over again, J-Flex.
well i think if we want to prevent them from doing it we should let them know how we feel and not just how they feel about it, i mean we all know how sad,depressed,lonely etc
if they try to understand us they might know why they shouldn&#39;t do it, my hard comments was against those who already suicided you can feel sorry for them but that won&#39;t change anything it&#39;s already too late neither the hard way but it might shock & wake up the planners*

*those who still want to do it

[Arashi]

Originally posted by J-Flex@May 6 2005, 01:48 PM
you people don&#39;t accept other people&#39;s opinion fine&#33; and now i stoped posting here , "for the sake of suicide planners", everyone keeps on offending me&#33;

i have to stop been negative at them well just tell me 1 positive thing from their actions?
thanks to them i get every month late on my way by the train to the uni

from my side the discussion has just started, but if you rather make this a "helping" thread rather than a discussion thread good go a head
Thanks for gifting us :preach: [/sarcasm].
The bold typed letters just tell me that how could you be so in-sensitive?
thanks to them i get every month late on my way by the train to the uni -----You lose a frigging train, they lose a life. Ohh geez&#33; I wonder what is more important? :rolleyes:

Sorry to say, I am quiet dissapointed, as I didn&#39;t know some one could think this way?
Don&#39;t tell me thatyou don&#39;t go through pain, hate, and misery because I most certainly do.

[J-Flex]

Originally posted by strangelo0m+May 6 2005, 09:22 AM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (strangelo0m @ May 6 2005, 09:22 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> <!--QuoteBegin--J-Flex@May 6 2005, 01:48 PM
you people don&#39;t accept other people&#39;s opinion fine&#33; and now i stoped posting here , "for the sake of suicide planners", everyone keeps on offending me&#33;

i have to stop been negative at them well just tell me 1 positive thing from their actions?
thanks to them i get every month late on my way by the train to the uni

from my side the discussion has just started, but if you rather make this a "helping" thread rather than a discussion thread good go a head
Thanks for gifting us :preach: [/sarcasm].
The bold typed letters just tell me that how could you be so in-sensitive?
thanks to them i get every month late on my way by the train to the uni -----You lose a frigging train, they lose a life. Ohh geez&#33; I wonder what is more important? :rolleyes:

Sorry to say, I am quiet dissapointed, as I didn&#39;t know some one could think this way?
Don&#39;t tell me thatyou don&#39;t go through pain, hate, and misery because I most certainly do. [/b][/quote]
read my previous post and you might understand why i chose the hard way

[Arashi]

Originally posted by J-Flex+May 6 2005, 02:28 PM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (J-Flex @ May 6 2005, 02:28 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'>
Originally posted by -strangelo0m@May 6 2005, 09:22 AM
<!--QuoteBegin--J-Flex@May 6 2005, 01:48 PM
you people don&#39;t accept other people&#39;s opinion fine&#33; and now i stoped posting here , "for the sake of suicide planners", everyone keeps on offending me&#33;

i have to stop been negative at them well just tell me 1 positive thing from their actions?
thanks to them i get every month late on my way by the train to the uni

from my side the discussion has just started, but if you rather make this a "helping" thread rather than a discussion thread good go a head
Thanks for gifting us :preach: [/sarcasm].
The bold typed letters just tell me that how could you be so in-sensitive?
thanks to them i get every month late on my way by the train to the uni -----You lose a frigging train, they lose a life. Ohh geez&#33; I wonder what is more important? :rolleyes:

Sorry to say, I am quiet dissapointed, as I didn&#39;t know some one could think this way?
Don&#39;t tell me thatyou don&#39;t go through pain, hate, and misery because I most certainly do.
read my previous post and you might understand why i chose the hard way [/b][/quote]
Mind me for my callous nature :rolleyes:

[Leones]

Calm down, have some respect for others opinions and try to be open when you discuss.

This was getting me on my nerve.

[Kæton]

There&#39;s a point and time in certain situations where you need to step back and realize what you&#39;re saying, J-Flex. You said what was on your mind, but instead of letting it be, you continue to be so insensitive.

You now show no case of any sensitivity, understanding or compassion for other human beings. You don&#39;t seem to understand that not everyone lives like you do nor does everything happen like it does in your life. You missing a train is completely insensitive and uncalled for. The reason no one respects you is because you came into this thread not only first off making a sacrastic comment, but then to follow it up with such blatant disreguard for anyone but yourself.

There&#39;s a fine line between having your opinion and just flat out being disrespectful and you crossed it. No one is going to agree with you if you have no understanding of any one but yourself and to say that just because they don&#39;t feel for you means you shouldn&#39;t feel for them. There is other ways out of depression, no doubt, but to belittle people who live differently from you is disrespectful and you will only get disrespect in return, so before you have another out cry as to how you&#39;re being treated in this thread, I suggest you look back on your own comments.

Everyone in this thread is trying to be serious thus it is in Serious Chat. You can offer people advice as to how to sway themselves away from suicide, but you did not do that. All you did was tell people who feel suicidal or commit to the act are less of a person in your eyes and that is not right. I&#39;ve tried to respect your views J-Flex, but your constant disregard for anyone but yourself makes this discussion tiresome and not worthy of the time I spend trying to make you realize that. I don&#39;t know what else to say to you because you always have an excuse. First it&#39;s because you were under the tyranny of Saddam--I respected that to an extent, but now that you blame suiciders for your lateness due to the train, you just proved to us all you cannot take this seriously and you need to see yourself out.

Continue to be sarcastic, make rude comments and overall offend others who feel bad and you&#39;ll get yourself another warning. This thread has intentions to better those who suffer depression and suicidal tendencies. People who suffer these problems are emotionally fragile and they don&#39;t require your harsh view on the outlook you have on life. It&#39;s unnecessary for you to continue to pry at this subject as you are just making a mockery of it.

[J-Flex]

You now show no case of any sensitivity, understanding or compassion for other human beings. You don&#39;t seem to understand that not everyone lives like you do nor does everything happen like it does in your life. You missing a train is completely insensitive and uncalled for. The reason no one respects you is because you came into this thread not only first off making a sacrastic comment, but then to follow it up with such blatant disreguard for anyone but yourself.
i understand those who are depressed because i have been one of them before and i try to find a way to turn their minds by make them relealise their enviroment .
appolegice for my train comments i was a bit pissed at all these disrepecting comments at me


No one is going to agree with you if you have no understanding of any one but yourself and to say that just because they don&#39;t feel for you means you shouldn&#39;t feel for them.
at some moment you have a point of view after everytime they ignore you and commit their suicide


Everyone in this thread is trying to be serious thus it is in Serious Chat. You can offer people advice as to how to sway themselves away from suicide, but you did not do that. All you did was tell people who feel suicidal or commit to the act are less of a person in your eyes and that is not right.
i didn&#39;t mean less of a person i ment that it wouldn&#39;t solve anything

[Kæton]

Well I suggest next time you either ellaborate or make sure you&#39;re sending the right signals. If you can&#39;t find a way to explain it, just let it go and say nothing at all because it&#39;ll just make things worse if it comes out wrong.

But you still seem to ignore the final thing I had to say. If in fact all you&#39;re going to have to say is these harsh values, then I need you to stay out of the thread, or at least not reply to anything said. People worldwide have different problems, some may or may not partain to you, so those that do not, and which do not require your harsh views should just be passed over. It&#39;s a matter of respect and self control, please use them.

Also, if you&#39;ve been depressed, then you should know being told you&#39;re wrong when in fact the person depressed probably already knows that does not in fact help, it&#39;s just throwing salt into an open wound. Like I said, just let it be, okay? There&#39;s no need for any hostility, if you are respectful, then you will be respected for the things you say, so please try to keep things in this thread, if you continue to post, positive for the most part.

There&#39;s no need to tell a blind man he&#39;s blind, if you know what I mean.

[J-Flex]

But you still seem to ignore the final thing I had to say. If in fact all you&#39;re going to have to say is these harsh values, then I need you to stay out of the thread, or at least not reply to anything said.
true but the least thing you expect from a forum admin that he understands that there are people with other opinions.


Also, if you&#39;ve been depressed, then you should know being told you&#39;re wrong when in fact the person depressed probably already knows that does not in fact help,
i doubt about that since most people who i have spoken want to release pain and suffer with it

[Chris(tmas)]

Originally posted by strangelo0m+May 6 2005, 11:22 AM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (strangelo0m @ May 6 2005, 11:22 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> <!--QuoteBegin--J-Flex@May 6 2005, 01:48 PM
you people don&#39;t accept other people&#39;s opinion fine&#33; and now i stoped posting here , "for the sake of suicide planners", everyone keeps on offending me&#33;

i have to stop been negative at them well just tell me 1 positive thing from their actions?
thanks to them i get every month late on my way by the train to the uni

from my side the discussion has just started, but if you rather make this a "helping" thread rather than a discussion thread good go a head
Thanks for gifting us :preach: [/sarcasm].
The bold typed letters just tell me that how could you be so in-sensitive?
thanks to them i get every month late on my way by the train to the uni -----You lose a frigging train, they lose a life. Ohh geez&#33; I wonder what is more important? :rolleyes:

Sorry to say, I am quiet dissapointed, as I didn&#39;t know some one could think this way?
Don&#39;t tell me thatyou don&#39;t go through pain, hate, and misery because I most certainly do. [/b][/quote]
the train, because obviously they dont care about their lives anymore.

And i&#39;ll be the oddball again, and i think what J-Flex is saying sounds something like i would say.


-you don&#39;t solve anything
-you don&#39;t remove pain
-you won&#39;t make anyone happy
-pointless
-the fact that people talk about it shows that people care about the one who died, so the one who died is selfish enough not to think about them, and if no one knows about their die good rip case closed.


that part yeah. I did thought about suicide once, but i didnt because i know how much my family loves me and they would be devistated.

[Arashi]

This topic is pissing me off now <_< :argh:

[Tom]

This topic is pissing me off now

i agree with the man who needs a piss :lol:

[fallenangel]

it&#39;s a shame that this thread has turned out like this. the intentions of this thread is to give some moral support to those who need it and i am totaly behind this. but this is not happening and i feel rather sad about that. i know myself that just taking to someone (or in this case posting) about my feelings about depression and suicide, i get my thoughts in order and become rational again and i think thats what other people need too.

thats all i have to really say on the matter. :(

[Danielle]

OH.MY.GOD&#33;&#33;&#33;&#33;

J-flex: You appear to either be afraid of something that you mabye don&#39;t understand,either that or you are completely heartless&#33; I think its kind of sad that this thread has turned into a trainwreck when it could have been so much help to lots of people on here&#33;

Keaton: You must have the patience of a fucking saint- you and a few other people in this thread have tried your hardest to try and find ways of understanding J-flex&#39;s opinions and trying to get him to understand your own but it doesn&#39;t seem to get through&#33; Well done for not over-reacting.


I do understand where you are coming from in your opinion on suicide being related to adrenaline because when I tried to commit suicide back when I was about thirteen I tried after being extremly angry and upset .I had a rush of adrenaline and decided I didn&#39;t want to be where I was and I would be better off dead. But then realised that I didn&#39;t want to die and I couldn&#39;t bare hurting my family and friends and I wouldn&#39;t want to hurt them.
So I made myself think positivly and now I&#39;m so much better- okay I still get really insecure sometimes and think about suicide a lot but I wouldn&#39;t ever do it. Its something I&#39;ve learnt to control and I honestly belief that most people could probably do the same. But then its different for everyone.

[Arashi]

Originally posted by nukefish@May 6 2005, 11:55 PM

This topic is pissing me off now

i agree with the man who needs a piss :lol:
:o

Cough*



Female :lol:

[Louis]

J-Flex...I&#39;ve had enough.

You show no understanding.

You read what Keaton said. You&#39;ve been down that road, why don&#39;t you actually show it and stop making such a mockery of suicide?

I don&#39;t want to have to make Mark come back here with another forceful lecture. So far, I think everyone&#39;s against you. Unfortunately, you&#39;ll have to give it up soon.

Now, if we can please get back on topic?

[fallenangel]

J-Flex...I&#39;ve had enough.

You show no understanding.

You read what Keaton said. You&#39;ve been down that road, why don&#39;t you actually show it and stop making such a mockery of suicide?

I don&#39;t want to have to make Mark come back here with another forceful lecture. So far, I think everyone&#39;s against you. Unfortunately, you&#39;ll have to give it up soon.

Now, if we can please get back on topic?

agreed&#33;

[goso88]

The whole argument was a big overreaction on everyone&#39;s part. Insensitivity and self-righteousness abounds all over this thread :whistle: .

[+ / –]

Originally posted by goso88@May 9 2005, 03:23 PM
The whole argument was a big overreaction on everyone&#39;s part. Insensitivity and self-righteousness abounds all over this thread :whistle: .
Sounds like a thread I used to take a part in.

*coughCharlotteWyattcough* (who is, by the way, still alive)

But I mean, it&#39;s suicide, everyone has a different opinion on the subject.

[Louis]

Originally posted by Minus Xero+May 9 2005, 11:00 PM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (Minus Xero @ May 9 2005, 11:00 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> <!--QuoteBegin--goso88@May 9 2005, 03:23 PM
The whole argument was a big overreaction on everyone&#39;s part.* Insensitivity and self-righteousness abounds all over this thread* :whistle: .
Sounds like a thread I used to take a part in.

*coughCharlotteWyattcough* (who is, by the way, still alive)

But I mean, it&#39;s suicide, everyone has a different opinion on the subject. [/b][/quote]
Yeah, but when someone goes too far, and starts bringing war and tyranny into the subject of suicide, it gets annoying and out of hand.

[Ady10990]

ive thought of suicide a load of times. i hate the place where we move and i miss my friends. i wish i could tell them but i dont wanna worry them. i have sort of let on that im not happy but they dont even know the tip of the iceburg.

i have sort of attempted suicide. i swallowed sum pills and like 5 secs i made myself puke em back up. and my mom jus thinks im over dramatic, infact she gets all pissy with me when im not the happy dappy child she wants me to be.

she has gotten me into counsiling so i&#39;ll give her that much. my first session is tomorrow. wish me luck.
~~~~~

i basically dropped out of skool. im omly 14 so i cant really. but ive stopped going and i gues im jus finishing the year out at home and moms supposed to pick up my work but this is the 3rd week ive been out and she still hasnt even called.

i have this thought that she thinks the shirk is gonna make me go back to skool. then i&#39;ll have a load of homework and she&#39;ll jus say sumthing like "see you shouldve gone to skool in the forst place."

god i jus hate her and i hate myself for hateing her because she&#39;s the one gave me life and has taken care of me my whole life. ( the "dad" is completely out of the pic. they got a divorse {SP} when i was little)

and one other thing my stupid father is trying to like reconnect or sumthing but what really pisses me off is that he sent my bro a bday card and what did he send me... absoufuckinlutly nothing. he can jus go to hell.

thanx for listening...or reading w/e

[Louis]

Originally posted by Ady10990@May 11 2005, 06:29 PM
ive thought of suicide a load of times. i hate the place where we move and i miss my friends. i wish i could tell them but i dont wanna worry them. i have sort of let on that im not happy but they dont even know the tip of the iceburg.

i have sort of attempted suicide. i swallowed sum pills and like 5 secs i made myself puke em back up. and my mom jus thinks im over dramatic, infact she gets all pissy with me when im not the happy dappy child she wants me to be.

she has gotten me into counsiling so i&#39;ll give her that much. my first session is tomorrow. wish me luck.
~~~~~

i basically dropped out of skool. im omly 14 so i cant really. but ive stopped going and i gues im jus finishing the year out at home and moms supposed to pick up my work but this is the 3rd week ive been out and she still hasnt even called.

i have this thought that she thinks the shirk is gonna make me go back to skool. then i&#39;ll have a load of homework and she&#39;ll jus say sumthing like "see you shouldve gone to skool in the forst place."

god i jus hate her and i hate myself for hateing her because she&#39;s the one gave me life and has taken care of me my whole life. ( the "dad" is completely out of the pic. they got a divorse {SP} when i was little)

and one other thing my stupid father is trying to like reconnect or sumthing but what really pisses me off is that he sent my bro a bday card and what did he send me... absoufuckinlutly nothing. he can jus go to hell.

thanx for listening...or reading w/e
I understand you completely.

But you should be gonig to school. Just because I&#39;m depressed, it doesn&#39;t mean that I don&#39;t want to go to school. And besides, they&#39;re eventually going to have to make you go back to school. It&#39;s a law.

Anyway, as much as you hate your mom...I&#39;m glad that you regret it. Not that I&#39;m sadistic or anything...but it shows that you do care for her a little bit.

You can&#39;t just "sorta" attempt suicide. An attempt at something can only succeed or fail. You failed...because you made yourself. That&#39;s good as well.

Be happy you&#39;re taking counciling. It will help you. There&#39;s no need to give you luck.

Be happy, too, that your Dad is trying to reconnect. Not many do.

Hope this helps...sorry about the divorce issue.

[User Name]

Okay, kids, quick english lesson&#33;

coun·cil Audio pronunciation of "council" ( P ) Pronunciation Key (kounsl)
n.

1.
1. An assembly of persons called together for consultation, deliberation, or discussion.
2. A body of people elected or appointed to serve as administrators, legislators, or advisors.
3. An assembly of church officials and theologians convened for regulating matters of doctrine and discipline.
2. The discussion or deliberation that takes place in such an assembly or body.

coun·sel Audio pronunciation of "counsel" ( P ) Pronunciation Key (kounsl)
n.

1. The act of exchanging opinions and ideas; consultation.
2. Advice or guidance, especially as solicited from a knowledgeable person. See Synonyms at advice.
3. A plan of action.
4. Private, guarded thoughts or opinions: keep one&#39;s own counsel.
5. A lawyer or group of lawyers giving legal advice and especially conducting a case in court.

[Kæton]

Hurrah for Cameron?

*gives Cameron a cookie*...? :wth:



Uh... *and a clap*... :lol:...?


*adds English lessons to the horrors of suicide because if you&#39;re bad at English, you must be suicidal&#33;*

[User Name]

Originally posted by Kæton@May 11 2005, 04:14 PM
*adds English lessons to the horrors of suicide because if you&#39;re bad at English, you must be suicidal&#33;*
...









:lol: :lol:

[Louis]

Since when did this become an English lesson? Okay, we spelled councelling wrong. Big deal. This thread has been going off topic a bit...I&#39;m not liking it.

[User Name]

Rhetorical question: English lesson, or J-Flex? Think about it. ;) :lol:

[Louis]

Originally posted by Cameron@May 12 2005, 01:15 AM
Rhetorical question: English lesson, or J-Flex? Think about it. ;) :lol:
Good point, Cameron.

But do you want a topic to go off-topic...or stay on topic and go on with what it was supposed to be about?

[User Name]

No, not really. But still, after the whole J-Flex situation, I think some humor was in order.

[Louis]

Originally posted by Cameron@May 12 2005, 01:29 AM
No, not really. But still, after the whole J-Flex situation, I think some humor was in order.
Guess so.

I wonder if he&#39;s going to pull anything now...

Anyway...I would appreciate getting back on topic.

Thanks.

[Suffice]

I tried a few times.. but that was in my darker days..

[Arashi]

Originally posted by Kæton@May 12 2005, 04:14 AM
Hurrah for Cameron?

*gives Cameron a cookie*...? :wth:



Uh... *and a clap*... :lol:...?


*adds English lessons to the horrors of suicide because if you&#39;re bad at English, you must be suicidal&#33;*
:lol:



*Pets Cameron*

[Louis]

That&#39;s funny, Keaton.

I think this topic has been off for too long. Can we please get back on-topic?

[+ / –]

I seriously thought about suicide today.

Although that&#39;s not different, it is the longest period in which I&#39;ve thought about it in a long time.

[Theazninvasion68]

the longest ive actuly thought of suiside is around the whole day... just thinking.

[+ / –]

Like I&#39;ve mentioned early, it&#39;s every day.

Not meaning to quote NIN, but every day is exactly the same.

[Theazninvasion68]

Originally posted by Minus Xero@May 15 2005, 08:17 PM
Like I&#39;ve mentioned early, it&#39;s every day.

Not meaning to quote NIN, but every day is exactly the same.
theres one thing that could only change... the days, and school, it all changes there. Don&#39;t belive me?? Well, try this, do something that you useally dont do.

[Arashi]

As I said before that I respect ones thinking about suiciding and I can understand about whatever shit happens to them, but it never harms one to look at this positively and think about the people who love you, your family, friends and people who you are associated with. These decision of suciding are not, as mentioned "cowardly" however they take alot of nerves.

[Ady10990]

FUCK THE COUNSELING&#33;&#33;&#33;

we went to the place. we were there when they told us to be there and then they had the balls to tells us that we shouldve been there a half and hour early. they never told us.

we tried to reschedule and we got another appt. but on the paper it was a dude and i refuse to talk to a guy. and dont think im gay or nething cuz im not i just dont trust males after sumthin that happened a few years back.

so mom called and tried to get me a woman but no avaliable appts. so now im not going to any type of shrink. and it sucks cuz i really wanted to get sum stuff off my chest but fuck it now.
~~~~~~

and no im not going to be happy about my father. srry but he hasnt been in my life for the pat 14 years so i dont need him now. he can go fuck himself and stay w/ his new family.

i relize i need to go to skool but the one im at is half my problems. the teachers are always harassong me about stupid shit and the kids are horrible. so im never going back. im doing homeschooling.
~~~~~~~~~~~`


neways im over the skol thing and ive found new routes to help me.


i hope everyone finds help and becomes happy and joyous (...cheesey i know but thats all i could think of)

[fallenangel]

have you tried somewhere else for counciling? not all places are great but i am sure there is somewhere that you can go thats better.

how about school, you tried to get moved to another one? it may help as you are saying that the school you are at is half your problem.

i was bullied so much at school and i ended up not going either but you know what, i think thats what the assholes wanted so i shouldn&#39;t have given in to them&#33; so maybe you should go and bug the hell out of them&#33; just my thoughts...maybe talking crap. just reflecting back on the good old days of me being at school. the most shit days of my life.

[Runawy]

confession: I&#39;m afraid of cliffs because when I&#39;m standing at the top I imagine myself jumping off and have the urge to do it... scares the hell out of me cuz I&#39;m generally not suicidal.

[Louis]

I had the weirdest thing happen to me today.

Alright, so my mom usually tells me to walk "away" from the road and stay on the farthest point of the sidewalk. So while I&#39;m walking home today (and I&#39;m not really that depressed, I was in a surprisingly good mood), I look at the street and the cars passing by. So, bit by bit, without noticing, I walk closer and closer to the street. And then this car whizzes by and almost hits me. Scared the shit out of me, to be honest.

But it was weird. I think my body&#39;s gone suicidal.

[Geki]

I&#39;ve thought about it. Ever since I was in 5th Grade and my Dad is the reason. He is such a control freak and he always puts you down. I have like one friend literally and I see him maybe once every two weeks. My mom knows, but I could never go through counseling. I dont&#39; believe in it because they talk to you like your a psychopath and they never helped me, I always hated telling people that I never knew anything about, or talked to them before my personal issues and such. In nevr really fit in I guess you could say, and eveyone makes funof me because I&#39;m so shy. I wasn&#39;t shy once and no one talked to me anyway. Life lesson, never try to be someone your not. I&#39;m always gonna be shy, like it or not. I&#39;ve also thought about blowing up my school too. I&#39;m not like this anymore though. Now I have a &#39;&#39;Don&#39;t Give a Crap Carefree Happy Go Lucky&#39;&#39; attitude. I just say screw the kids at school and screw my Dad. At least I know people that are nice will talk to me. Linkin Park&#39;s music sort of healed me, but slowly. Then I just got that attitude and started making a little friends. I just wish I could talk to girls, everyone probably thinks I&#39;m gay, not trying to bash anyone I&#39;m just saying. But I wish girls who know I existed. They say that i&#39;m sweet, but too shy, at least that&#39;s what my friend that asked them says. Oh well, dammit I changed again. BTW, it&#39;s a great song by Offspring.

[Louis]

It was the same thing for me. I started feeling like that when I was in 5th grade.

I don&#39;t get why people are so against being "shy". It&#39;s so stupid. Why can&#39;t a person be himself without being made fun of?

And sorry about your dad, dude. My dad&#39;s the same, so is my mom. I hate them a great deal.

[Il inno di morte]

I don&#39;t usually talk about this, but by reading all of those posts, I really felt like saying it. I&#39;ve tried to commit suicide many many times. counseling was never an option, cuz like you all said, ppl only make u feel bad cuz they make u believe u r a psyco or something like that. This started when I was in 5th or 6th grade. It started because of the usual things: I&#39;ll never fit in, why should i live? there&#39;s no reason. nobody loves me, nobody cares, no one ever notices me, I&#39;m useless, etc. Like I just sad, I&#39;ve tried to do it more than once, but somehow someone or something always stops me. And i&#39;m talking about insignificant things such as a phone call, The loud noise of something falling, screaming, etc. Anyway, when things like this happen, I can&#39;t really go through with it, cuz I seem to go to the moon or somethinig cuz i can&#39;t concentrate. My skin seems too rough to be penetrated, I can&#39;t swallow, It&#39;s hard to talk, and I start remembering things from my past and I start crying. I don&#39;t realy feel like moving or screaming, I just cry. I know this may be kinda weird, but this is my story.
I must say that since I found LP&#39;s music, this has been a lot better. Singing and screaming with them makes me take all the stress and bad feelings out of my being, it really helps. At least most of the times. Sometimes I get really depressed, but I guess thats life. If you don&#39;t understand what I mean, please read "us the freaks" (and i don&#39;t mean the U.S.) on writers cove and perhaps you&#39;ll understand it better.
Thank you for you time.

[Louis]

Originally posted by The sparkling diamond@May 22 2005, 02:14 AM
I don&#39;t usually talk about this, but by reading all of those posts, I really felt like saying it. I&#39;ve tried to commit suicide many many times. counseling was never an option, cuz like you all said, ppl only make u feel bad cuz they make u believe u r a psyco or something like that. This started when I was in 5th or 6th grade. It started because of the usual things: I&#39;ll never fit in, why should i live? there&#39;s no reason. nobody loves me, nobody cares, no one ever notices me, I&#39;m useless, etc. Like I just sad, I&#39;ve tried to do it more than once, but somehow someone or something always stops me. And i&#39;m talking about insignificant things such as a phone call, The loud noise of something falling, screaming, etc. Anyway, when things like this happen, I can&#39;t really go through with it, cuz I seem to go to the moon or somethinig cuz i can&#39;t concentrate. My skin seems too rough to be penetrated, I can&#39;t swallow, It&#39;s hard to talk, and I start remembering things from my past and I start crying. I don&#39;t realy feel like moving or screaming, I just cry. I know this may be kinda weird, but this is my story.
I must say that since I found LP&#39;s music, this has been a lot better. Singing and screaming with them makes me take all the stress and bad feelings out of my being, it really helps. At least most of the times. Sometimes I get really depressed, but I guess thats life. If you don&#39;t understand what I mean, please read "us the freaks" (and i don&#39;t mean the U.S.) on writers cove and perhaps you&#39;ll understand it better.
Thank you for you time.
I understand that...

Weird how a few people mentioned that LP&#39;s music seems to be the cure.

And weird how you were advertising a song from the Writer&#39;s Cove in here. Please don&#39;t do it again. And we know what you mean, so don&#39;t worry.

[Il inno di morte]

Originally posted by GiriosXeni+May 21 2005, 08:30 PM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (GiriosXeni @ May 21 2005, 08:30 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> <!--QuoteBegin--The sparkling diamond@May 22 2005, 02:14 AM
I don&#39;t usually talk about this, but by reading all of those posts, I really felt like saying it. I&#39;ve tried to commit suicide many many times. counseling was never an option, cuz like you all said, ppl only make u feel bad cuz they make u believe u r a psyco or something like that. This started when I was in 5th or 6th grade. It started because of the usual things: I&#39;ll never fit in, why should i live? there&#39;s no reason. nobody loves me, nobody cares, no one ever notices me, I&#39;m useless, etc. Like I just sad, I&#39;ve tried to do it more than once, but somehow someone or something always stops me. And i&#39;m talking about insignificant things such as a phone call, The loud noise of something falling, screaming, etc. Anyway, when things like this happen, I can&#39;t really go through with it, cuz I seem to go to the moon or somethinig cuz i can&#39;t concentrate. My skin seems too rough to be penetrated, I can&#39;t swallow, It&#39;s hard to talk, and I start remembering things from my past and I start crying. I don&#39;t realy feel like moving or screaming, I just cry. I know this may be kinda weird, but this is my story.
I must say that since I found LP&#39;s music, this has been a lot better. Singing and screaming with them makes me take all the stress and bad feelings out of my being, it really helps. At least most of the times. Sometimes I get really depressed, but I guess thats life. If you don&#39;t understand what I mean, please read "us the freaks" (and i don&#39;t mean the U.S.) on writers cove and perhaps you&#39;ll understand it better.
Thank you for you time.
I understand that...

Weird how a few people mentioned that LP&#39;s music seems to be the cure.

And weird how you were advertising a song from the Writer&#39;s Cove in here. Please don&#39;t do it again. And we know what you mean, so don&#39;t worry. [/b][/quote]
I didnt say their songs were the cure, I sad they really help. I don&#39;t feel that lonely when i listen to them, and sorry about the poem, but i just believed many people posting in this thread would feel identified with it. Again, thanks for your time and for letting me share this with ya. Thanks a lot.

[Louis]

No problem.

And the poem is good.

[hybrid_fan]

I cut myself many times...
when I&#39;m depressed,when my parents blame me for things that I have never done...
I&#39;m just a cutter...I will never kill myself

[FreeYourMind]

I think almost everone has those days when you just wished you would die. Those days. When I turned 13, i became very depressed, and instead of cutting or other things, i started to puke out everything I ate, boulimia. After my teachers at school found out and I lost for about 11kilo in a month. I had to go to the hospital cause my condition was so unstable. I recoverd luckly, thanks to counseling.

My point is, please.. find help. I know it may sound like counseling is for crazy idiots or whatever,, I think it saved my life and it might save yours too.

[Ronin]

yeah, that i can agree.....i began to have depressing thoughts a while back. at first, i could deal wiith it and then it got to the point were i literally had a katana against my throat......( yes, i own swords) ..but, i stopped....somthing told me to continue living...and so i stopped....after that, [LP] kicked in, and i am very glad to say, that it has been a lot of help...weither i would feel alone, or i would be mad, [LP] helped me.....thankfully, a talked to my parents, and i was put on medication....mind you, if you are taking anti-depressants, dont rely 100% on them.....they DO help, do you have to help them as well.......look at positive things.....be happy...at first, it wasnt easy, but now i am alot better, thanks to some friends...and [LP]

[Louis]

Originally posted by hybrid_fan@May 28 2005, 06:28 PM
I cut myself many times...
when I&#39;m depressed,when my parents blame me for things that I have never done...
I&#39;m just a cutter...I will never kill myself
I hate cutting. I absolutely despise it. No offense to you or anything. I don&#39;t see how it is supposed to make you feel better. It ruined one of my relationships and everyday I think about it. People should know better than to cut themselves or burn themselves.

[hybrid_fan]

maybe you hate cutting but for me it is a way to express a pain that I have inside

[Louis]

Originally posted by hybrid_fan@May 30 2005, 03:57 PM
maybe you hate cutting but for me it is a way to express a pain that I have inside
To who? A fucking sink? I understand your reasoning, but it&#39;s stupid. I leave it at that.

[cooljelly]

Originally posted by hybrid_fan@May 28 2005, 06:28 PM
I cut myself many times...
when I&#39;m depressed,when my parents blame me for things that I have never done...
I&#39;m just a cutter...I will never kill myself
I cut my girlfriends name into my arm ("STACEY"). I was depressed @ the time but I never considered killin myself. Just a cutter. I also have a very random "W" on my hand&#33;?&#33; Dunno why I did that. As I say, probably cuz i was down in the dumps then. LOL. Did it in an english lesson. Any1 else done enything similar?

[Kæton]

Originally posted by GiriosXeni+May 29 2005, 06:13 AM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (GiriosXeni @ May 29 2005, 06:13 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> <!--QuoteBegin--hybrid_fan@May 28 2005, 06:28 PM
I cut myself many times...
when I&#39;m depressed,when my parents blame me for things that I have never done...
I&#39;m just a cutter...I will never kill myself
I hate cutting. I absolutely despise it. No offense to you or anything. I don&#39;t see how it is supposed to make you feel better. It ruined one of my relationships and everyday I think about it. People should know better than to cut themselves or burn themselves. [/b][/quote]
Cutting is a basically a way some people find is the only way they can bare with emotional pain.

Some people just cannot handle the feeling of negative emotion, so therefor physical pain "hides" the emotional pain, because to them, it&#39;s not their say, "heart" that is hurting, it is the wound they have inflicted on themselves.

In some ways you can say cutting makes cutters feel better because it&#39;s basically fooling yourself, and I hate to sound so blunt about it. Cutters make themselves believe that it&#39;s the physical pain that is hurting them and that is their way of coping with the problem. Some may talk about their problems, others may do a hobby of theirs, cutters cut themselves.

Cutters, I believe do not usually believe in self-mutilation, though (yes, cutting yourself is considered mutilation). It&#39;s technically not a problem of theirs in the sense that some don&#39;t choose it. Sadly cutting is in some sense the easiest way to cope with emotional problems. Cutters, usually like others are just as afraid to find the help they need so they do in fact just stick with carving pieces of themselves out to cope because it&#39;s too much of an effort to find the help they need.

However, I just want those who cut to know that people can help, and you shouldn&#39;t be afraid of that help. I&#39;m sure you don&#39;t want to cut yourself over everything that gets you down when you could be using that drive you have to cut yourself to something else, don&#39;t you think?

Anyways, so yeah, cutters, if you don&#39;t understand, find cutting to be their gateway away from emotional pain. Much like a drug addict or alcoholic. Their sense of "covering up" emotional pain is done differently, and sadly not all ways of coping are positive, and thus that&#39;s where help is needed; so that people can cope with emotionally distraught-ish situations with a positive outlook rather than a dwelling negative hurt-yourself result.

[Louis]

Originally posted by Kæton+Jun 1 2005, 09:35 PM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (Kæton @ Jun 1 2005, 09:35 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'>
Originally posted by -GiriosXeni@May 29 2005, 06:13 AM
<!--QuoteBegin--hybrid_fan@May 28 2005, 06:28 PM
I cut myself many times...
when I&#39;m depressed,when my parents blame me for things that I have never done...
I&#39;m just a cutter...I will never kill myself
I hate cutting. I absolutely despise it. No offense to you or anything. I don&#39;t see how it is supposed to make you feel better. It ruined one of my relationships and everyday I think about it. People should know better than to cut themselves or burn themselves.
Cutting is a basically a way some people find is the only way they can bare with emotional pain.

Some people just cannot handle the feeling of negative emotion, so therefor physical pain "hides" the emotional pain, because to them, it&#39;s not their say, "heart" that is hurting, it is the wound they have inflicted on themselves.

In some ways you can say cutting makes cutters feel better because it&#39;s basically fooling yourself, and I hate to sound so blunt about it. Cutters make themselves believe that it&#39;s the physical pain that is hurting them and that is their way of coping with the problem. Some may talk about their problems, others may do a hobby of theirs, cutters cut themselves.

Cutters, I believe do not usually believe in self-mutilation, though (yes, cutting yourself is considered mutilation). It&#39;s technically not a problem of theirs in the sense that some don&#39;t choose it. Sadly cutting is in some sense the easiest way to cope with emotional problems. Cutters, usually like others are just as afraid to find the help they need so they do in fact just stick with carving pieces of themselves out to cope because it&#39;s too much of an effort to find the help they need.

However, I just want those who cut to know that people can help, and you shouldn&#39;t be afraid of that help. I&#39;m sure you don&#39;t want to cut yourself over everything that gets you down when you could be using that drive you have to cut yourself to something else, don&#39;t you think?

Anyways, so yeah, cutters, if you don&#39;t understand, find cutting to be their gateway away from emotional pain. Much like a drug addict or alcoholic. Their sense of "covering up" emotional pain is done differently, and sadly not all ways of coping are positive, and thus that&#39;s where help is needed; so that people can cope with emotionally distraught-ish situations with a positive outlook rather than a dwelling negative hurt-yourself result. [/b][/quote]
I understand your viewpoint, and your reasoning on the issue is the reasoning a person who cuts would have.

I have talked to a couple of people who have cut themselves. They say it gets the pain out, but I don&#39;t understand it. You&#39;re inflicting more pain on yourself. And you are inflicting pain on the people who care about you. I always felt shitty when my ex-girlfriend told me that she would cut herself. And she would promise me that she wouldn&#39;t, and a week later she would tell me that she broke her promise. It was one of the causes to lead to the abrupt end to our relationship.

I see no fair reasoning in cutting due to my experiences. Hearing about it makes me sad and I really want to have nothing to do with it. My first knowledge of it was from a friend, which isn&#39;t exactly something I would like to hear. Leaving marks on yourself...I find no common sense in it.

And what makes my knowledge of cutting worse is that there are some people who it because one thing happened. And I mean, something that isn&#39;t extremely serious or life-threatening or anything. I knew a girl once who cut herself because her boyfriend broke up with her and honestly, I wanted to yell at her. How in the world would you ever find proper reasoning in that? It&#39;s pretty much insanity.

Cutters, I understand your true emotional reasoning, but I find mutilating yourselves (as Keaton mentioned) just wrong and extremely saddening. There is no peace from cutting, only horrible memories.

[F-ck Casey]

Who are you to judge anyone? I don&#39;t cut myself, but I find it insulting that you&#39;re saying it&#39;s insanity for people to do what they feel like with their own bodies. That girl might have seriously been in love with that person, and I know how she must have felt. She lost someone important in her life. Not to death, no, but that feeling of belonging and being loved is gone.

I don&#39;t know where you get off trying to understand something which you seemingly never will understand, since the last time I checked this thread you were having the same discussion with someone else, trying to wrap your heard around why people cut. It&#39;s simple, really. Physical pain takes their mind off the mental pain, which in some cases can be worse than physical pain, if only for a second.

I would ask you to stop trying to understand why people do it, since you probably never will unless you&#39;ve actually attempted suicide or something remotely similair before, but I&#39;ll go ahead and assume you haven&#39;t.

[Louis]

Originally posted by Casey@Jun 2 2005, 03:22 AM
Who are you to judge anyone? I don&#39;t cut myself, but I find it insulting that you&#39;re saying it&#39;s insanity for people to do what they feel like with their own bodies. That girl might have seriously been in love with that person, and I know how she must have felt. She lost someone important in her life. Not to death, no, but that feeling of belonging and being loved is gone.

I don&#39;t know where you get off trying to understand something which you seemingly never will understand, since the last time I checked this thread you were having the same discussion with someone else, trying to wrap your heard around why people cut. It&#39;s simple, really. Physical pain takes their mind off the mental pain, which in some cases can be worse than physical pain, if only for a second.

I would ask you to stop trying to understand why people do it, since you probably never will unless you&#39;ve actually attempted suicide or something remotely similair before, but I&#39;ll go ahead and assume you haven&#39;t.
I said that the one situation I mentioned was insanity. It&#39;s not insanity that people cut themselves. They have a right too, even though I don&#39;t find the best reasoning of it. I mentioned how I understood their reasoning.

And don&#39;t think I don&#39;t understand, because I do. I started this thread because I had knowledge of Suicide. Don&#39;t think I&#39;m some niave boy with no idea. I have a pretty fucking good idea. I&#39;ve seen people who cut themselves. I see it every fucking day of my life. You know what, it kills me. I hate it. They can do what they want, but still, I hate it. You can&#39;t criticize me for that. You can&#39;t.

And you think that I&#39;ve never attempted suicide? Think again.

You think I don&#39;t understand cutting? Think a bit more.

I&#39;m sick of people thinking that I&#39;m not knowledgable of these things, when I am. That&#39;s why I started this thread, for people to explain. So people can understand. I&#39;ve learned much from this thread. So don&#39;t think I misunderstand things so easily.

I&#39;m sorry if I sound pretty hateful, but I can&#39;t believe what you are saying. I find what you&#39;re saying to be insulting to me.

[F-ck Casey]

You&#39;ve attempted suicide, but yet you&#39;re criticizing those around you that have thought of, or attempted it before?

Uhhh.

[Louis]

Originally posted by Casey@Jun 2 2005, 03:43 AM
You&#39;ve attempted suicide, but yet you&#39;re criticizing those around you that have thought of, or attempted it before?

Uhhh.
You don&#39;t think I regret trying?&#33; You don&#39;t think I criticize myself for trying to do such a thing? Even more insulting.

[F-ck Casey]

You know, I&#39;m sure the people around you that have tried or thought of it don&#39;t really need someone who has tried it before telling them what they&#39;re doing is wrong. They&#39;re already in a worse off state, you&#39;re not helping them any.

Let me guess, that&#39;s even more insulting, yes?

[Louis]

Originally posted by Casey@Jun 2 2005, 03:46 AM
You know, I&#39;m sure the people around you that have tried or thought of it don&#39;t really need someone who has tried it before telling them what they&#39;re doing is wrong. They&#39;re already in a worse off state, you&#39;re not helping them any.

Let me guess, that&#39;s even more insulting, yes?
I understand your point.

But still, it may be wrong...and I have mentioned this in previous posts.

People have their own morals when they are really emotional and they would think that Suicide is right at that time. After me attempting it, I don&#39;t think it&#39;s right.

[goso88]

Back to a point made earlier...

Some people cut themselves because they&#39;re so pissed or sad that they can&#39;t express it adaquetly with words. Its kind of like punching the wall. When you get really mad, instead of talking it out calmly with someone, you punch the wall so hard your knuckle bleeds and breaks. Even if it hurts, you HAVE to do this because it conveys the extent of your anger more accurately than words.

[Louis]

Originally posted by goso88@Jun 3 2005, 10:11 PM
Back to a point made earlier...

Some people cut themselves because they&#39;re so pissed or sad that they can&#39;t express it adaquetly with words. Its kind of like punching the wall. When you get really mad, instead of talking it out calmly with someone, you punch the wall so hard your knuckle bleeds and breaks. Even if it hurts, you HAVE to do this because it conveys the extent of your anger more accurately than words.
Now that is a good point. I am extremely comfortable with how you said that. I&#39;m glad you mentioned that. Best way you can explain it man. I give it to you.

[Geki]

I agree, some people cut themselves or punch things just because they&#39;d cant express it verbally. I punch things myself, but usually a pillow or something until I calm down. Somewtimes I have even punched mysself. I feel bad for a lot of people that do that because they have issues and people aren&#39;t always understanding, I know. All people do is recommend a Counselor or Therapist, and it pisses me off a lot to have people do that. I can&#39;t talk to people, especially people like them that treat you like a caged monkey. And what&#39;s worse is sometimes they tell your parents what you say, and it S-U-C-K-S believe me, unless you get a confidential counselor. I don&#39;t trust people, a lot of them are backstabbers, but that&#39;s just my opinion. I can talk to myself to relieve stuff, but it sucks. I usually listen to music and it calms me down, especially Linkin Park. Or I tell people online things to express.

[Louis]

I usually throw things at the ground and start breathing really hard...

I also put on music to calm me down.

[Arashi]

Originally posted by FreeYourMind@May 29 2005, 01:30 AM
I think almost everone has those days when you just wished you would die. Those days. When I turned 13, i became very depressed, and instead of cutting or other things, i started to puke out everything I ate, boulimia. After my teachers at school found out and I lost for about 11kilo in a month. I had to go to the hospital cause my condition was so unstable. I recoverd luckly, thanks to counseling.

My point is, please.. find help. I know it may sound like counseling is for crazy idiots or whatever,, I think it saved my life and it might save yours too.
I saw a T.V programme about people who cut themselves. It said that around 50% people who cut themselves are sexually molested and abused. Though I don&#39;t know if you were ever (hybrid fan).
Mainly they (the cutters) do it to feel pain which they are going through physically. I personally do not think that it is crazy or weird, for I myself was once sexually molested so I understand through whatever feelings one might go through.

[Natsumi]

I had thoughts about suicide. But it was long time ago, and now I know I&#39;d never do that. Probably because I&#39;m afraid of death.

[Louis]

Yeah...but I have three friends who cut themselves who were never molested.

[Chris(tmas)]

Originally posted by GiriosXeni@Jun 5 2005, 07:10 PM
Yeah...but I have three friends who cut themselves who were never molested.

It said that around 50% people who cut themselves are sexually molested and abused.

^_^

[Dean]

Originally posted by Chris+Jun 5 2005, 08:14 PM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (Chris @ Jun 5 2005, 08:14 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> <!--QuoteBegin--GiriosXeni@Jun 5 2005, 07:10 PM
Yeah...but I have three friends who cut themselves who were never molested.

It said that around 50% people who cut themselves are sexually molested and abused.

^_^ [/b][/quote]
Therefore it is said that 50% of cutters aren&#39;t sexually abused/molested.

[Andrea]

I was at a party last night and one of my friends boyfriend decided to cut himself with pieces of broken glass from a beer bottle. He&#39;s a very anti-social kid and my group was trying to include him in with what we were doing but he just rolled his eyes and paced back and forth like he wanted to kill us all. I was kind of uneasy with the way he was acting. Then my group found him cutting his arms and his wrists with the glass from the beer bottle behind the house where we all were.

To make a long story short, one of my friends took him home. I would&#39;ve gotten him some help or something, but the situation was out of my hands.

I know he was abused by his father growing up and he doesn&#39;t like to associate with people. I thought my group was doing a good thing in trying to include him in things, but I guess not. I hope he&#39;s alright because he surely scared me and everybody else.

[Muri]

Once I cut myself,when I was angry.
Now I just put Linkin Park on full blast,and hit something. I always have the urge to break plates and glasses and such. And scream.

Concerning suicide,I&#39;ve thought of it,once or twice,when I was depressed. But ...I would still never try it. You live only once. Cheesy,yes,but true.

[Yourlord]

Suicide is very much so a serious topic. It&#39;s not a good thing, and I hope that some people will understand that. People can get very dramatic. Real hearts have felt the impact of suicide. They did not live to tell. Souls were scarred, and they never forgot the loved ones who died because of this monster, it&#39;s name Suicide. Please hear me out.

[Louis]

Originally posted by Yourlord@Jun 6 2005, 02:01 AM
Suicide is very much so a serious topic. It&#39;s not a good thing, and I hope that some people will understand that. People can get very dramatic. Real hearts have felt the impact of suicide. They did not live to tell. Souls were scarred, and they never forgot the loved ones who died because of this monster, it&#39;s name Suicide. Please hear me out.
I understand you, too bad you&#39;re banned.

Andrea, that is really saddening. I have friends who cut themselves who are extremely social, which surprises me.

[Suffice]

Suicidal thoughts are a bitch.

[replacingseph]

i think suicide is something that everyone has thought about at some point in life. yes i have thought about it, when i get really depressed i think about it alot, but it is something i have never considered doing only for the fact that my friends mean too much to me and ide never want to put them through that. being depressed is something that i think comes with the teenage years, everyones hormones are all over the place that the little problems seem so much bigger and difficult to handle. i kno that for some people this isnt true and that things are as big as they seem and that depression is a serious issue, but unfortunatly, for the people that need professional help just dont have the resources nor the funding to help this issue and to teach doctors that suicide is a huge issue these days and its not just &#39;teenagers being stupid&#39;, i kno thats what my mum would say to me if i ever tried killing my self, shed tell me to &#39;stop being stupid&#39;.

anyways thats my thoughts on this issue and that someone finds this usefull in someway.

[fallenangel]

i wasn&#39;t a teenager when i tried to kill myself. i have felt like killing myself for the majority of my life...

[Louis]

Originally posted by Dean+Jun 5 2005, 07:27 PM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (Dean @ Jun 5 2005, 07:27 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'>
Originally posted by -Chris@Jun 5 2005, 08:14 PM
<!--QuoteBegin--GiriosXeni@Jun 5 2005, 07:10 PM
Yeah...but I have three friends who cut themselves who were never molested.

It said that around 50% people who cut themselves are sexually molested and abused.

^_^
Therefore it is said that 50% of cutters aren&#39;t sexually abused/molested. [/b][/quote]
Well, I&#39;m just saying.

[Louis]

Originally posted by fallenangel@Jun 6 2005, 04:31 PM
i wasn&#39;t a teenager when i tried to kill myself. i have felt like killing myself for the majority of my life...
What time in your life did you try to kill yourself?

EDIT: Oh shoot&#33; Double-post. My bad.

[fallenangel]

i wasn&#39;t a teenager when i tried to kill myself. i have felt like killing myself for the majority of my life...

What time in your life did you try to kill yourself?

i would say i was about 8 or 9 when i first held a razer blade to my wrist. i came so close to using it but instead i bit down so hard on my tounge that it started bleeding. i thought about it on and of for years after that. then when i was twenty i took an overdose of sleeping tabs and ended up in hospital. instead of diagosing me with depression, i got a slap on the wrist and told i was a stupid girl and got sent home.
a year ago, i started feeling the same again so i marched to my doctors
and told her (i was lucky to get a sympathetic woman GP) how i was feeling and what had happened to me before. i got treatment straight away. it was medication which i am not keen on takeing but i knew it was for the best. i was only on the tabs for 3-4 months and i feel great now.

thats why i believe that asking for the right kind of help and not giving up is so important. i believe it saved my life.

[Louis]

Originally posted by fallenangel@Jun 15 2005, 08:11 AM


i wasn&#39;t a teenager when i tried to kill myself. i have felt like killing myself for the majority of my life...*

What time in your life did you try to kill yourself?

i would say i was about 8 or 9 when i first held a razer blade to my wrist. i came so close to using it but instead i bit down so hard on my tounge that it started bleeding. i thought about it on and of for years after that. then when i was twenty i took an overdose of sleeping tabs and ended up in hospital. instead of diagosing me with depression, i got a slap on the wrist and told i was a stupid girl and got sent home.
a year ago, i started feeling the same again so i marched to my doctors
and told her (i was lucky to get a sympathetic woman GP) how i was feeling and what had happened to me before. i got treatment straight away. it was medication which i am not keen on takeing but i knew it was for the best. i was only on the tabs for 3-4 months and i feel great now.

thats why i believe that asking for the right kind of help and not giving up is so important. i believe it saved my life.
Wow, 8 or 9? I started feeling the same around that age as well.

I can understand that getting help is probably the best thing to do, but I&#39;m completely against the whole, "Go to the doctor, get perscribed pills" idea.

I&#39;m glad that you feel better now.

[Suffice]

I think i was like 10 when i started harming myself. I just looked at a thread I made nearly a year ago now about stuff.. meh I&#39;m so glad things are better now. I still cut sometimes a little now and again for different events that my mother creates but no way as bad as I used to because as I said, things are way better.

[Louis]

Originally posted by Suffice@Jun 15 2005, 03:44 PM
I think i was like 10 when i started harming myself. I just looked at a thread I made nearly a year ago now about stuff.. meh I&#39;m so glad things are better now. I still cut sometimes a little now and again for different events that my mother creates but no way as bad as I used to because as I said, things are way better.
Well, that&#39;s good. If you&#39;re not cutting as much as you used to, it&#39;s improvement.

[fallenangel]

Wow, 8 or 9? I started feeling the same around that age as well.

I can understand that getting help is probably the best thing to do, but I&#39;m completely against the whole, "Go to the doctor, get perscribed pills" idea.

I&#39;m glad that you feel better now.

thanks, i still have my bad moments but i have learnt to deal with things better. and yes, i don&#39;t really agree with being prescribed pills that young. i mean i was 20 when i finally took precribed medicine but i think there is help out there for those younger. i think prescribtions are useful for some extreme cases but there are other ways of dealing with the problem.

i think CBT (cognitive behavioural theapy) is a very useful type of therapy cause it is a very client centered approach and the therapists role is minimal. you are taught ways of dealing with situations on your own without the use of drugs. personally, i would have much prefered that treatment than pills but the nhs is britian is basically shove pills down you and you will be fine. doesn&#39;t work for everyone.

[Louis]

Yeah, I have a friend who went to the doctor one day (she lives in England), and she was told that she was depressed and was immediately perscribed pills.

[Suffice]

I&#39;ve never taken pills for depression.. probs because I never went to the docters about it ;) and I wouldn&#39;t

[Louis]

Originally posted by Suffice@Jun 16 2005, 12:40 PM
I&#39;ve never taken pills for depression.. probs because I never went to the docters about it ;) and I wouldn&#39;t
Same with me.

[insanechica007]

You know, being a tad suicaidal isn&#39;t something I tell people. My mom&#39;s brother was on drugs when he was a teenager and now he is on permenant disability for depression. If I told my parents, I would be in couseling faster than I could pack my bags. My friends don&#39;t get it, either. One thought I was crazy after I told her and has treated me differently since. I was so close to it a few months ago. I felt as if nobody wanted me. My parents were yelling at me, my friend&#39;s lives were going great, and I was left to deal with it by myself. And that&#39;s how I did deal with it. I had no meds, no counseling, no nothing. It was all in my head. I&#39;m better now, though.

[Louis]

Originally posted by insanechica007@Jun 17 2005, 06:28 PM
You know, being a tad suicaidal isn&#39;t something I tell people. My mom&#39;s brother was on drugs when he was a teenager and now he is on permenant disability for depression. If I told my parents, I would be in couseling faster than I could pack my bags. My friends don&#39;t get it, either. One thought I was crazy after I told her and has treated me differently since. I was so close to it a few months ago. I felt as if nobody wanted me. My parents were yelling at me, my friend&#39;s lives were going great, and I was left to deal with it by myself. And that&#39;s how I did deal with it. I had no meds, no counseling, no nothing. It was all in my head. I&#39;m better now, though.
I respect that. There was a time where I was depressed and my friends didn&#39;t talk to me. They refer back to it. They said I was a completely different person. I&#39;m still sort of the same but I try not to let it show in front of my friends. There was this one guy I met in Elementary school who went to a different middle school, and we saw each other again and talked. I told him about how I am now...the whole depression issue and he thinks I&#39;m sort of different, but it&#39;s all cool. I had the same trouble as you did. I&#39;m still going through it though.

[insanechica007]

^_^
Someimes I wonder if I went through it (and still sorta am, because, once again, nothing has been going right in my life) because I had honestly stopped believing in God. I mean, I still don&#39;t think I do. You know, once I got out of that slump, I started to feel as if that&#39;s not what I wanted..like Mike said in "Nobody&#39;s Listening".."the pain gave me something to set my sights on..", you know?

[Louis]

Originally posted by insanechica007@Jun 17 2005, 11:51 PM
^_^
Someimes I wonder if I went through it (and still sorta am, because, once again, nothing has been going right in my life) because I had honestly stopped believing in God. I mean, I still don&#39;t think I do. You know, once I got out of that slump, I started to feel as if that&#39;s not what I wanted..like Mike said in "Nobody&#39;s Listening".."the pain gave me something to set my sights on..", you know?
Ahh...I see.

Yeah, that&#39;s something to understand. I stopped believing in God as well.

[cooljelly]

Yesterday I waz thinkin about the pointlessness of life. I have nothin to live for and I certainly can&#39;t see myself as an adult. It&#39;s really worrying. Ah well, I&#39;ll get over it. Don&#39;t know how I&#39;d kill myself anyway. I would want it 2 be painless really.

[Louis]

Originally posted by cooljelly@Jun 19 2005, 03:56 PM
Yesterday I waz thinkin about the pointlessness of life. I have nothin to live for and I certainly can&#39;t see myself as an adult. It&#39;s really worrying. Ah well, I&#39;ll get over it. Don&#39;t know how I&#39;d kill myself anyway. I would want it 2 be painless really.
I would think that anyone would want their death or life to be painless. I can&#39;t understand how someone would want to live a painful life and die a painful death.

It&#39;s hard for me to think of myself as an adult as well. But when I was younger I used to imagine what kind of person I would turn out to be. It&#39;s hard to believe what depression does to you. It totally alters who you are and what you believe in.

[cooljelly]

Yeh. I just don&#39;t feel myself recently. Don&#39;t know what I&#39;ll trurn out like. But it&#39;s like when you really young you think about what it would be like to be a "big kid". Suppose that&#39;s what it&#39;s like for me now. And others like me&#33; I hate bein 14. Cuz when ur a little kid, u get loads of attention and when ur an adult, u can do what the fuck you want. Sort of......

[insanechica007]

Heh, I kinda get what you mean. Also, when you&#39;re a kid, it&#39;s easier just to believe whatever the hell your parents tell you and you can&#39;t question it. Now, it&#39;s like you feel betrayed becasue half of the stuff your parents tell you are lies.

Great to know someone understands, though. :rolleyes:

[adelleda]

To those who are suicidial: Here&#39;s something to think about. Will said this once, "Suicide is a permanent solution to a temporary problem."

[Louis]

Originally posted by adelleda@Jun 19 2005, 06:06 PM
To those who are suicidial: Here&#39;s something to think about. Will said this once, "Suicide is a permanent solution to a temporary problem."
How true.

[insanechica007]

Originally posted by adelleda@Jun 19 2005, 06:06 PM
To those who are suicidial: Here&#39;s something to think about. Will said this once, "Suicide is a permanent solution to a temporary problem."

True, I guess.
But I&#39;m firm in my belief that commiting it is not an act of cowardence.

[Louis]

Originally posted by insanechica007+Jun 20 2005, 05:51 PM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (insanechica007 @ Jun 20 2005, 05:51 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> <!--QuoteBegin--adelleda@Jun 19 2005, 06:06 PM
To those who are suicidial: Here&#39;s something to think about. Will said this once, "Suicide is a permanent solution to a temporary problem."

True, I guess.
But I&#39;m firm in my belief that commiting it is not an act of cowardence. [/b][/quote]
It&#39;s cowardice by the way.

And yes, I have mentioned that Suicide is not exactly a cowardly solution. Saying this many times, people have their own morals. When they are depressed and/or suicidal, they think that suicide is right. They go by what they think is the best thing to do. They are not cowards as some people put it.

[Luke]

Originally posted by adelleda@Jun 19 2005, 06:06 PM
To those who are suicidial: Here&#39;s something to think about. Will said this once, "Suicide is a permanent solution to a temporary problem."
Thats a really good way of looking at it,I used to wish I&#39;d die all the time but things got better,for all those going through bad times things will probably get better. I just wish 2 of my friends knew that before they decided the wrong desiscion.

[Louis]

Originally posted by hellflame Prophecy+Jun 20 2005, 09:16 PM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (hellflame Prophecy @ Jun 20 2005, 09:16 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> <!--QuoteBegin--adelleda@Jun 19 2005, 06:06 PM
To those who are suicidial: Here&#39;s something to think about. Will said this once, "Suicide is a permanent solution to a temporary problem."
Thats a really good way of looking at it,I used to wish I&#39;d die all the time but things got better,for all those going through bad times things will probably get better. I just wish 2 of my friends knew that before they decided the wrong desiscion. [/b][/quote]
I&#39;m sorry man. I know how it feels.

[insanechica007]

Originally posted by GiriosXeni+Jun 20 2005, 05:56 PM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (GiriosXeni @ Jun 20 2005, 05:56 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'>
Originally posted by -insanechica007@Jun 20 2005, 05:51 PM
<!--QuoteBegin--adelleda@Jun 19 2005, 06:06 PM
To those who are suicidial: Here&#39;s something to think about. Will said this once, "Suicide is a permanent solution to a temporary problem."

True, I guess.
But I&#39;m firm in my belief that commiting it is not an act of cowardence.
It&#39;s cowardice by the way.

And yes, I have mentioned that Suicide is not exactly a cowardly solution. Saying this many times, people have their own morals. When they are depressed and/or suicidal, they think that suicide is right. They go by what they think is the best thing to do. They are not cowards as some people put it. [/b][/quote]
I agree..to some degree.
I just think it takes alot (or, atleast for me) to put that gun to your head or whatever. And sometimes people may just be blind, but others..I think sometimes there&#39;s just no way out. Not encouraging anyone, besides.
Okay, that&#39;s all I&#39;m gonna say..I sound really messed up..

[Louis]

Originally posted by insanechica007+Jun 20 2005, 11:24 PM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (insanechica007 @ Jun 20 2005, 11:24 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'>
Originally posted by -GiriosXeni@Jun 20 2005, 05:56 PM

Originally posted by -insanechica007@Jun 20 2005, 05:51 PM
<!--QuoteBegin--adelleda@Jun 19 2005, 06:06 PM
To those who are suicidial: Here&#39;s something to think about. Will said this once, "Suicide is a permanent solution to a temporary problem."

True, I guess.
But I&#39;m firm in my belief that commiting it is not an act of cowardence.
It&#39;s cowardice by the way.

And yes, I have mentioned that Suicide is not exactly a cowardly solution. Saying this many times, people have their own morals. When they are depressed and/or suicidal, they think that suicide is right. They go by what they think is the best thing to do. They are not cowards as some people put it.
I agree..to some degree.
I just think it takes alot (or, atleast for me) to put that gun to your head or whatever. And sometimes people may just be blind, but others..I think sometimes there&#39;s just no way out. Not encouraging anyone, besides.
Okay, that&#39;s all I&#39;m gonna say..I sound really messed up.. [/b][/quote]
You don&#39;t sound messed up, you make sense.