Animal rights

[FreeYourMind]

I know, I know, but I had to post it here and I don't know why,
After seeing this clip I just couldn't take it anymore
For instance, JLO, in her resturant all the animals are killed in such a brutal way, god, and she's wearing the furr jackets and I just don't understand why? When I saw the clip and the look in the animals eyes, and how the vill the animal, How can you be able to wear it with out such a guilt feeling,,

Beyonce wears furr I know, But we ain't gonna kill her because she has such beautifull hear? I mean,, *sigh

But the main thing that bothers me is HOW they kill the animal, not neccesraly why.

To watch the 'inhuman' clip click
Here (http://www.petatv.com/tvpopup/Prefs.asp?video=fur_farm)

But I warn you, It has some disturbing contents

And I didn't finish watching


Ok,, I'm ready for thousand angry reactions for this 'maybe in your eyes useless topic''


.

[NickelNine]

i dont really have an opinion on animal rights but that video is disgusting.. i didnt finish watching it.. but i dont think they kill and or skin the animals live like that but i dont know.. but where there is a demand for something, such as animal fur, people will do anything to see that demand and make a profit off it.. im not an animal hippie so whatever floats your boat to make a dollar is fine with me.. even if its disgusting like that video..

[越南]

holy shit , that was so wrong and inhuman...
They could've atleast killed the racoon first before skinning it..
thats the sickest thing i've ever seen in my life..
I now have the image of the racoon trying to take a gasp of air after being skinned.. Thanks.. alot

[Link04]

Darn right it's inhuman!!!


Oh...wait....animals aren't human, are they? They're inhuman by nature. :rolleyes:

[KirbyRockz]

They're just animals.

In other news, why is it alright to eat cows and not cats?
Equal rights for animals.
They should all be eaten equally.

[Jila]

weird, my friend just sent me that clip. i only watched about the first few seconds of it before i had to stop. its disgusting how these people treat animals. most people here know about my whole anti-animal cruelty morality anyway. i just think its fucking gross.

some random person just sent me the pamela anderson clip where she talks about how they kill animals for fur. i think i actually watched that one all the way through. it was disgusting, but not even a tenth as disgusting as that JLO one.

[Milanthis]

In my first anger I could do the same thing with those people who did this... I can't find words, it's more than inhuman, it's as cruel as just mankind could be, nothing else in the nature. :angry: :angry:
I don't like if someone kills animal for its fur, skinning it alive!!! It's horrible! This video really shocked me... :'(

[Evan™]

shit man..............the creature was still alive after they skin it.....but im a catholic so i wont take revenge on those men ill let god do the talking....assholes........

[Debus]

I watched a video on animal testing and animal rights in R.E the other day and i was truly disgusted. I couldn't believe the way the animals were being treated. I don't see how any human being can really be so violent towards animals. There was this crazy guy a while back who tried to attack my dog when my Mum was walking her. I was so shocked when she told me about it.

I think cruelty to animals is 100% inhumane and should be stopped at all costs

[Dave+Kay]

i dont even have words for that... i couldnt even watch it all it makes me so fukin angry!!!! :angry: :angry: :angry: :angry: and anyways, if they did that kind of shit to people they would be put in prison for life, maybe even killed, so what so differnt about animals that makes that acceptable? i mean we are animals too... right? gah it makes me so sick!

[lpsk8er]

That's cruel and horrible what they do to those poor animals for their skin.

[Glenn]

That pisses me off so much. I fucking hate people who treat animals badly just for the fun of it. :angry:

[CrazyBlueFairy]

I saw that an was shocked, i just had my hands over my mouth and couldnt believe my eyes. how can someone dothat to a poor defenseless animal! andkeeping them alive! they have the same thing doneto themand stuff. they disgust me. Im a vegetarian and movie made me sick! im just speachless :o :mad: :mad: :mad:

[Holiday]

OMFG! i cant believe that! how in the world could someone be that mean and cold hearted???

i watched the first few seconds, then closed my eyes, i opened them long enough to see the poor racoon, alive and skinless.

that is a sick and twisted thing they did

i was like hyperventalating cuz it dissturbed me so much i wanted to cry! :'(

the world is a fucked and twisted place.


how can you ppl say you "dont have an oppinion"?!?! WTF??? they are living too! just cuz they arnt fucking ppl doesnt mean that they shouldnt be given the right to a non-tortuerous death!!

fuck, now im gonna have night mares. not a good thing to read at 12:30am. AH!!!!

the ppl who do that to the animals are inhumane. they have no conscience or compation for living things. how can they do that? any one who can do that isnt human. what is the point of being a person if you have no compassion? :mad: :mad: :mad: :'( :'( :'(

[LD50]

I've got nothing against wearing fur, but sweet fucking christ, kill it before you skin it. :wth:

[Ivana]

:'(






:x






Terrible...
They are living beings too,for God's sake.

[Glenn]

I think using animals for fur clothing is idiotic. People who do that are, IMO, snobs and rich idiots.

These people are fucking assholes. They deserve to be tortured.

[F-ck Casey]

So because I own a leather jacket I'm either rich or a snob? What the fuck?

Fuck that shit. You eat meat, don&#39;t you? <s>Cotton</s> Wool (?) comes from a sheep. Granted they don&#39;t kill the sheep, but still, they&#39;re using it to make clothes.

[Leones]

Originally posted by SaxopianoGRD@Mar 24 2005, 05:30 AM
I think using animals for fur clothing is idiotic. People who do that are, IMO, snobs and rich idiots.


yeah this wasn&#39;t making any sense.

Anyway&#39;s, those people could and should have killed those creatures in a more decent way. Animals feel pain just as humans feel pain. A quick death would have been more nice.

That video was disgusting btw. I stopped watching halfway.

[Weezy]

I don&#39;t think I need to see the video. It&#39;s probably the same stuff they show on that Vegan show on public access, which is pretty gruesome.

[ahamLP]

I dont even need to see the video,I know whats we humans are,well lemme make it clear I hate humans as species,WE SUCK,we neither live in harmony with other species or nature nor with ourselves, from day 1 we have fucked up earth(and wow we are now exploring chances of fucking and messing up Mars Best of luck humans),killing animals(for food,for clothes,for entertainment etc etc etc),and wow what great hypocrites are we,when we kill animals for food its not any bad but when a tiger or any animal kills humans for its food we cry fouland brand it man eater and chase it to death,God save us from this doom that we are creating.and yeah for what I&#39;ve said I too am inluded in it.

and I have expressed my anguish in a poem of mine check out if u would like to,here it is(and all of the stuff above is not to promote my poem)

http://www.lpassociation.com/forums/index....t=15507&hl=doom (http://www.lpassociation.com/forums/index.php?act=ST&f=71&t=15507&hl=doom)

[Link04]

Originally posted by ahamLP@Mar 24 2005, 03:47 PM
I dont even need to see the video,I know whats we humans are,well lemme make it clear I hate humans as species,WE SUCK,we neither live in harmony with other species or nature nor with ourselves, from day 1 we have fucked up earth(and wow we are now exploring chances of fucking and messing up Mars Best of luck humans),killing animals(for food,for clothes,for entertainment etc etc etc),and wow what great hypocrites are we,when we kill animals for food its not any bad but when a tiger or any animal kills humans for its food we cry fouland brand it man eater and chase it to death,God save us from this doom that we are creating.and yeah for what I&#39;ve said I too am inluded in it.

and I have expressed my anguish in a poem of mine check out if u would like to,here it is(and all of the stuff above is not to promote my poem)

http://www.lpassociation.com/forums/index....t=15507&hl=doom (http://www.lpassociation.com/forums/index.php?act=ST&f=71&t=15507&hl=doom)
Then why don&#39;t you move to a remote location and sharpen your own spear heads, or collect your own roots, or plant your own crops? What kind of hypocrite are you to live just as I do, or just as we do, and then denounce what has enabled you to survive?

I love the human race.

[Holiday]

Originally posted by Casey@Mar 23 2005, 07:40 PM
Cotton comes from a sheep.
cotton comes from sheep? :mellow:
thats a new one :lol:

[F-ck Casey]

something comes from a sheep, damnit. Wool or some shit.

:shifty:

[cindy_lp]

Freeyourmind----I totally agree with you. :hugz: I applaud you for making a thread on this. I&#39;ve been a member of PETA for 3 years and I am against animal cruelty of any kind. And before someone comes back with the usual "you eat meat don&#39;t you", NO I don&#39;t eat meat. I&#39;m a vegetarian. I also don&#39;t wear fur or leather. Although I&#39;m a member of PETA, I think they go too far with the throwing paint on people for wearing fur, etc. I just joined to support the end of animal cruelty. I don&#39;t try to get anyone to stop eating meat or wearing fur/leather. If you want to wear fur, then more power to you. I disagree with wearing it and I won&#39;t ever wear it. I don&#39;t have a problem with anyone else wearing it though.

[Jila]

Originally posted by Casey@Mar 23 2005, 07:40 PM
So because I own a leather jacket I&#39;m either rich or a snob? What the fuck?

Fuck that shit. You eat meat, don&#39;t you? <s>Cotton</s> Wool (?) comes from a sheep. Granted they don&#39;t kill the sheep, but still, they&#39;re using it to make clothes.
you still dont need to take another living beings life for a fashion statement.

[ahamLP]

Originally posted by Casey@Mar 24 2005, 03:40 AM
So because I own a leather jacket I&#39;m either rich or a snob? What the fuck?

Fuck that shit. You eat meat, don&#39;t you? <s>Cotton</s> Wool (?) comes from a sheep. Granted they don&#39;t kill the sheep, but still, they&#39;re using it to make clothes.
wow cool dude,so if any animal smears a human&#39;s skin(to be specific yours) u wouldnt have any problem with that,and for God sake cotton is grown,its wool which comes from sheep(and its something like hair and not its flesh and furthermore its wont die if u remove it).sorry but nothing personal here I dont have any grudge angainst you,so no offense, and I wonder when we will learn to live in peace with our sorroundings and oursleves.well hope that happens before God or Nature will show middle finger to us(us is all humans including ME).

[Leones]

Originally posted by ahamLP+Mar 25 2005, 03:28 PM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (ahamLP @ Mar 25 2005, 03:28 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> <!--QuoteBegin--Casey@Mar 24 2005, 03:40 AM
So because I own a leather jacket I&#39;m either rich or a snob? What the fuck?

Fuck that shit. You eat meat, don&#39;t you? <s>Cotton</s> Wool (?) comes from a sheep. Granted they don&#39;t kill the sheep, but still, they&#39;re using it to make clothes.
wow cool dude,so if any animal smears a human&#39;s skin(to be specific yours) u wouldnt have any problem with that,and for God sake cotton is grown,its wool which comes from sheep(and its something like hair and not its flesh and furhtermore its wont die if u remove it).sorry but nothing personal here,I wonder when we will learn to live in peace with our sorroundings and oursleves.well hope it comes before God or Nature will show a middle finger to us(us is all humans including ME). [/b][/quote]
So you don&#39;t eat meat or fish?

We&#39;re part of nature too, animals eat each other, I think humans may eat animals aswell. You think a tiger wouldn&#39;t eat a human when the oppertunity is there? But it is your own choice wether you use animals to feed, clothe yourself or not.

[ahamLP]

Originally posted by Leones+Mar 25 2005, 01:44 PM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (Leones @ Mar 25 2005, 01:44 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'>
Originally posted by -ahamLP@Mar 25 2005, 03:28 PM
<!--QuoteBegin--Casey@Mar 24 2005, 03:40 AM
So because I own a leather jacket I&#39;m either rich or a snob? What the fuck?

Fuck that shit. You eat meat, don&#39;t you? <s>Cotton</s> Wool (?) comes from a sheep. Granted they don&#39;t kill the sheep, but still, they&#39;re using it to make clothes.
wow cool dude,so if any animal smears a human&#39;s skin(to be specific yours) u wouldnt have any problem with that,and for God sake cotton is grown,its wool which comes from sheep(and its something like hair and not its flesh and furhtermore its wont die if u remove it).sorry but nothing personal here,I wonder when we will learn to live in peace with our sorroundings and oursleves.well hope it comes before God or Nature will show a middle finger to us(us is all humans including ME).
So you don&#39;t eat meat or fish?

We&#39;re part of nature too, animals eat each other, I think humans may eat animals aswell. You think a tiger wouldn&#39;t eat a human when the oppertunity is there? But it is your own choice wether you use animals to feed, clothe yourself or not. [/b][/quote]
Well,to ur 1st question I dont eat meat or fish, and u r right, a tiger would kill a human and eat if it has an oppourtunity,but wait isnt there a difference between us and animals or as has been yelled and boasted for genrerations by us humans that humans are the most intelligent and rational creatures,so where is the intelligence,and one more thing after any animal is over with its food,even if u go near to it,it doesnt even harm you,coz its not like us humans who need entertainment by hunting animals.

[Holiday]

Originally posted by PyRoMaNiaK+Mar 25 2005, 01:26 AM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (PyRoMaNiaK @ Mar 25 2005, 01:26 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> <!--QuoteBegin--Casey@Mar 23 2005, 07:40 PM
So because I own a leather jacket I&#39;m either rich or a snob? What the fuck?

Fuck that shit. You eat meat, don&#39;t you? <s>Cotton</s> Wool (?) comes from a sheep. Granted they don&#39;t kill the sheep, but still, they&#39;re using it to make clothes.
you still dont need to take another living beings life for a fashion statement. [/b][/quote]
well, if the animal is to be killed anyway (i.e., food) why shouldnt we use everypart of it. so lealther is fine imo. if you didnt do that, then there would just be more needless death.

i dont agree w/ animals being breed to be furs, or killed just for thier fur. or sharks being killed for just thier fins. but, if the animal is to be killed anyway, why not use all of it?


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an NO a tiger would NOT eat a human if it had the chance&#33;&#33; i dont appriciate sucha response. a tiger likes to be as far away form ppl as posible&#33; if we were forcing them out of the places they have lived for millions of years, then they wouldnt be anywhere near us.

the ONLY reason tigers kill ppl, is they either fell theatened (and the SHOULD since ppl go and kill them just for their gal bladder or penis) or they are so sick and weak and hungry that they are would kill anything to survive.

all "maneaters" ar old, decrepid tigers who dont have another option. humans tase horrible, but they are really easy to catch.

[DiSiLLUSiON]

I stopped watching after 10 seconds. fucking christ. Now I remember why I hate all of Humanity and I&#39;d rather see &#39;em all wiped out. Let everyone do those things to each other instead of against animals who are spiritually more mature then 90% of the human population.

On the other side, I do have a leather jacket and I don&#39;t feel guilty for wearing it. I will never wear fur, however, since that&#39;s a whole different universe.

[Dean]

Let&#39;s put this into perspective. If someone close to you was terminally ill, what would you do if the only possible cure had been developed thanks to animal testing?

Having said that, animal cruelty for entertainment/fashion=bad.

[Leones]

Originally posted by Holiday+Mar 25 2005, 05:39 PM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (Holiday @ Mar 25 2005, 05:39 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'>
Originally posted by -PyRoMaNiaK@Mar 25 2005, 01:26 AM
<!--QuoteBegin--Casey@Mar 23 2005, 07:40 PM
So because I own a leather jacket I&#39;m either rich or a snob? What the fuck?

Fuck that shit. You eat meat, don&#39;t you? <s>Cotton</s> Wool (?) comes from a sheep. Granted they don&#39;t kill the sheep, but still, they&#39;re using it to make clothes.
you still dont need to take another living beings life for a fashion statement.
well, if the animal is to be killed anyway (i.e., food) why shouldnt we use everypart of it. so lealther is fine imo. if you didnt do that, then there would just be more needless death.

i dont agree w/ animals being breed to be furs, or killed just for thier fur. or sharks being killed for just thier fins. but, if the animal is to be killed anyway, why not use all of it?


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an NO a tiger would NOT eat a human if it had the chance&#33;&#33; i dont appriciate sucha response. a tiger likes to be as far away form ppl as posible&#33; if we were forcing them out of the places they have lived for millions of years, then they wouldnt be anywhere near us.

the ONLY reason tigers kill ppl, is they either fell theatened (and the SHOULD since ppl go and kill them just for their gal bladder or penis) or they are so sick and weak and hungry that they are would kill anything to survive.

all "maneaters" ar old, decrepid tigers who dont have another option. humans tase horrible, but they are really easy to catch. [/b][/quote]
It was an example. :rolleyes:


humans tase horrible, but they are really easy to catch.

and you know this...how? :mellow:

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anyway&#39;s back to ahamlp, I meant to say that not only humans but also animals make use of each other. Offcourse the human is the most intelligent and rational creature, but who says it is wrong to use animals when you&#39;re the most intelligent and rational? It is wrong to kill and torture animals like that in the video, but IMO it&#39;s ok to use animals. Animals use other animals.


Nature will show a middle finger to us(us is all humans including ME).

We&#39;re part of nature, so I don&#39;t think nature would show a middle finger to humans only, if nature would show us a middle finger in the first place.
And what did you have in mind that could happen because humans use animals?

[Holiday]

Originally posted by Leones@Mar 25 2005, 09:34 AM

It was an example. :rolleyes:


humans tase horrible, but they are really easy to catch.

and you know this...how? :mellow:


well i would think that an example should be accurate.....


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its true. Human&#39;s eat a lot of meat. meat eaters are normally not the best tasting creatures. all and all ppl are pretty gross. their blood, skin...everything.

and obviously they are easy to catch. think about it. how easy would a tiger be able to take over a person? they are weak and slow. that is why we depend so much on our tools.

[LornVourkolakas]

I understand killing to live. I am not a vegetarian, therefore, I have to understand. What I do not understand is the way you have to kill. Why can&#39;t you just immediately kill an animal rather than to torture it? I do not like the idea that the only reason I have food on my table is because a helpless creature was tortured. If you&#39;re going to kill an animal for food, just kill it. You don&#39;t have to smack it around and mess with it in order to.

[DiSiLLUSiON]

Originally posted by Dean@Mar 25 2005, 03:45 PM
Let&#39;s put this into perspective. If someone close to you was terminally ill, what would you do if the only possible cure had been developed thanks to animal testing?
You would let that person die, ofcourse. Otherwise you would just be exchanging the life of a non-human animal for a human animal. It&#39;s not as if humans are &#39;more worthy&#39; or anything.

[LornVourkolakas]

Originally posted by DiSiLLUSiON+Mar 26 2005, 12:43 AM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (DiSiLLUSiON @ Mar 26 2005, 12:43 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> <!--QuoteBegin--Dean@Mar 25 2005, 03:45 PM
Let&#39;s put this into perspective. If someone close to you was terminally ill, what would you do if the only possible cure had been developed thanks to animal testing?
You would let that person die, ofcourse. Otherwise you would just be exchanging the life of a non-human animal for a human animal. It&#39;s not as if humans are &#39;more worthy&#39; or anything. [/b][/quote]
Agreed. Besides, nowadays they are using humans to test out human products. That&#39;s the way it should be.

[DiSiLLUSiON]

Originally posted by LornVourkolakas+Mar 26 2005, 12:44 AM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (LornVourkolakas @ Mar 26 2005, 12:44 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'>
Originally posted by -DiSiLLUSiON@Mar 26 2005, 12:43 AM
<!--QuoteBegin--Dean@Mar 25 2005, 03:45 PM
Let&#39;s put this into perspective. If someone close to you was terminally ill, what would you do if the only possible cure had been developed thanks to animal testing?
You would let that person die, ofcourse. Otherwise you would just be exchanging the life of a non-human animal for a human animal. It&#39;s not as if humans are &#39;more worthy&#39; or anything.
Agreed. Besides, nowadays they are using humans to test out human products. That&#39;s the way it should be. [/b][/quote]
That&#39;s good, imo. They should test human products on humans, and ape products on apes etcetc. But because ape&#39;s don&#39;t wear lipstick and don&#39;t take medicine, there&#39;s no need to test on them. Maybe humans should stop that nonsense as well.

[Glenn]

Originally posted by Casey@Mar 23 2005, 10:40 PM
Granted they don&#39;t kill the sheep
Exactly. I don&#39;t have a problem with clothing from sheep because they aren&#39;t killed. Yes, I do eat meat. It&#39;s just my opinion that I hate the fact that people kill animals to wear them.

[Jila]

Originally posted by Holiday+Mar 25 2005, 07:39 AM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (Holiday @ Mar 25 2005, 07:39 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'>
Originally posted by -PyRoMaNiaK@Mar 25 2005, 01:26 AM
<!--QuoteBegin--Casey@Mar 23 2005, 07:40 PM
So because I own a leather jacket I&#39;m either rich or a snob? What the fuck?

Fuck that shit. You eat meat, don&#39;t you? <s>Cotton</s> Wool (?) comes from a sheep. Granted they don&#39;t kill the sheep, but still, they&#39;re using it to make clothes.
you still dont need to take another living beings life for a fashion statement.
well, if the animal is to be killed anyway (i.e., food) why shouldnt we use everypart of it. so lealther is fine imo. if you didnt do that, then there would just be more needless death. [/b][/quote]
actually that industry gets 50% of their money off of leather, therefore, if people didnt buy so much leather, they would barely be in business.

im not going to preach or anything, but im just saying my opinion. people grow up eating meat, thats what theyre taught to do. obviously people can live without meat, otherwise vegetarianism would be impossible. so its pretty much people being selfish and deciding taste is more important than a living thing&#39;s life. i think its digusting how they sell whole freakin chickens in the market for &#036;2 at the end of the day. theyre basically saying that those chickens&#39; lives were only worth 2 bucks, spices and all. and of course, when they go rotten, theyre just thrown away and theyre lives were wasted completely.

again, just my two cents.

[Danielle]

I&#39;m not saying it doesn&#39;t happen because it does but bare in mind that video was made by peta so its trying to persuade everyone to stop eating meat and wearing animal pructs and stuff. They aren&#39;t going to show the majority of animals that don&#39;t have a terrible life before they are slaughtered are they? Would you all be reacting as much if it had shown that not all animals bred for meat are treat like that video shows?

[Holiday]

Originally posted by PyRoMaNiaK+Mar 25 2005, 08:56 PM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (PyRoMaNiaK @ Mar 25 2005, 08:56 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'>
Originally posted by -Holiday@Mar 25 2005, 07:39 AM

Originally posted by -PyRoMaNiaK@Mar 25 2005, 01:26 AM
<!--QuoteBegin--Casey@Mar 23 2005, 07:40 PM
So because I own a leather jacket I&#39;m either rich or a snob? What the fuck?

Fuck that shit. You eat meat, don&#39;t you? <s>Cotton</s> Wool (?) comes from a sheep. Granted they don&#39;t kill the sheep, but still, they&#39;re using it to make clothes.
you still dont need to take another living beings life for a fashion statement.
well, if the animal is to be killed anyway (i.e., food) why shouldnt we use everypart of it. so lealther is fine imo. if you didnt do that, then there would just be more needless death.
actually that industry gets 50% of their money off of leather, therefore, if people didnt buy so much leather, they would barely be in business.

im not going to preach or anything, but im just saying my opinion. people grow up eating meat, thats what theyre taught to do. obviously people can live without meat, otherwise vegetarianism would be impossible. so its pretty much people being selfish and deciding taste is more important than a living thing&#39;s life. i think its digusting how they sell whole freakin chickens in the market for &#036;2 at the end of the day. theyre basically saying that those chickens&#39; lives were only worth 2 bucks, spices and all. and of course, when they go rotten, theyre just thrown away and theyre lives were wasted completely.

again, just my two cents. [/b][/quote]
yeah, you&#39;re right to a certian extent. but humans are ment to eat meat. all this stuff about veggitarianism being the "healthy alternative" is a bunch of bs. to survive we have to get the essential amino acids out of meat. the only other way to get them is through suplements.

for ppl to be and stay healthy, they need a balenced diet of both meat and veggitables/grains.

just look at our teeth, they are designed for both.

and meat is a luxury. many ppl live and die based on whether they get meat or not.

[Jila]

actually, humans werent necessarily "meant" to eat meat. there are a lot of scientific explinations.
for example:
- our digestive systems are like herbivores, not carnivores
- we cant eat raw meat because our teeth arent built for that
- gorillas, for example, have the largest cainines out of all the primates and have a vegetarian diet
- the first "humans" ate seeds

thats all i can remember at the moment, im kind of tired.

oh, and you can easily get your amino acids with vegetarian products ;)

but really, im not trying to convert anyone or anything, because god knows people would freak out about that. i still remember the last vegetarian thread, i didnt get involved in it because everyone was attacking the non-meat eaters for trying to tell people eating animals isnt right.

[FreeYourMind]

Originally posted by LornVourkolakas@Mar 25 2005, 11:58 PM
I understand killing to live. I am not a vegetarian, therefore, I have to understand. What I do not understand is the way you have to kill. Why can&#39;t you just immediately kill an animal rather than to torture it? I do not like the idea that the only reason I have food on my table is because a helpless creature was tortured. If you&#39;re going to kill an animal for food, just kill it. You don&#39;t have to smack it around and mess with it in order to.
they kill it that way because if they kill them first, and then take of the skin , the fur will fall out,


It&#39;s fucking insane.

[Creep]

There is no way I&#39;m gonna sit there and watch all that clip. As soon as they brought out the dog and started prodding it I got out. The skinners deserve the same treatment as that poor racoon. How could anyone do that?

[Lisa]

I couldn&#39;t watch it. My heart was pounding really hard when I clicked on it. I just saw the racoon’s face and closed it. I’ve seen something about this on the (late) news last year. Absolutely SICK.

I don’t think it is right to torture the animals just for fashion (and other things like medicine and also keeping wild animals as pets when you don’t know what you’re doing). Is it really necessary? Why not put that money into a worthwhile cause?

And what’s with those teenage boys that tortured a kitten? The news showed surveillance footage and I got really mad. It happened in Sydney and Shepparton I think. The boys were stoning it, riding over it with their skateboards and then throwing the kitten onto the railway tracks.

[Il inno di morte]

Originally posted by NickelNine@Mar 16 2005, 04:29 PM
disgusting.. i didnt finish watching it..
I agree TOTALLY &#33; what the hell is wrong with ya, people???

[Justin]

Skinning animals alive is disgusting and inhumane, and i can&#39;t see the difference in killing them first

[Il inno di morte]

Originally posted by what&#39;s_crakulating@Apr 3 2005, 10:05 PM
Skinning animals alive is disgusting and inhumane, and i can&#39;t see the difference in killing them first
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