The Weaponization of Space

[Mark]

http://www.cbc.ca/news/background/us_missiledefence/gfx/titlephoto_missiledefence.jpg

The United States has announced plans for a missile defense system which would eventually lead to the weaponization of space (shown in above picture). The defense system is designed to shoot down incoming missiles that may be labeled for North American targets, specifically the USA, by terrorists. Many opponents of the plan say that this will lead to a brand new arms race. Canadian Prime Minister Paul Martin announced two weeks ago that Canada would not be involved with the system in any way. Although the US has said that it is not looking for a financial contribution to the program, or approval to base missiles within Canada, the Liberal government still rejected it. What are your thoughts on this system? Does it hold merit that there is a potential missile threat to the US? Or is it mass paranoia?

Personally, I couldn't be more proud to be Canadian at the moment. We didn't go to war with Iraq, and we're not joining this missile defense plan. I think it's just mass paranoia by the United States government. It's absolutely asinine. Starting another arms race is certainly something we don't need.

The start of first world war can be contributed to, other than the Franz Ferdinand assassination and standoff between Serbia and Austria-Hungary where other European countries had to take sides, nationalism and an arms race between the British and Germans. We do not need another arms race. It's already ridiculous that the United States, Russia, and other countries have thousans upon thousands of nuclear warheads they most likely are never going to use. I just think it's so unnecessary and dangerous.

Your thoughts?

[Chris Luke]

Didn't the United States try to do this once before? And Mark, I'm really jealous. Your so lucky your Canadian.

[F-ck Casey]

This reminds me of an episode of Angel where they're talking about assassinating a leader of a demon clan with a thermal laser gun that's in outer space or something. Yeah.

Anyways, yeah, sure, do it. I don't really care. I'm probably in the minority here that thinks Bush didn't help with 9/11 at all, and if this will stop future terrorist attacks, so be it. Although it continues to boggle my mind that the US is in debt trillions of dollars, and we're still spending. Oh well.

We've experimented with making smallpox and other deadly viruses for use on the battlefield, so I'm thinking this was the next step. Already made some lethal viruses, now we need to put rocket launches in space!

[Lpimp]

*sighs* technology these days... :wacko: :argh:

[Jon[athan]]

Originally posted by Casey@Mar 6 2005, 09:48 PM
This reminds me of an episode of Angel where they're talking about assassinating a leader of a demon clan with a thermal laser gun that's in outer space or something. Yeah.

Anyways, yeah, sure, do it. I don't really care. I'm probably in the minority here that thinks Bush didn't help with 9/11 at all, and if this will stop future terrorist attacks, so be it. Although it continues to boggle my mind that the US is in debt trillions of dollars, and we're still spending. Oh well.

We've experimented with making smallpox and other deadly viruses for use on the battlefield, so I'm thinking this was the next step. Already made some lethal viruses, now we need to put rocket launches in space!
yeah, i had a teacher talk to me and he said that if you added the government debt, and the debt of all the people in the US, it would be around 300,000,000,000,000 (300 trillion in laymens terms). soo....where th FUCK are we getting money for this? but i do believe this is probably as a precaution for fear that the war may be brought to the US and fought in our home land.

[Link04]

:( New technology to achieve the same old death.

[NofxPants]

Originally posted by Mark@Mar 7 2005, 02:41 AM
Personally, I couldn't be more proud to be Canadian at the moment. We didn't go to war with Iraq, and we're not joining this missile defense plan. I think it's just mass paranoia by the United States government. It's absolutely asinine. Starting another arms race is certainly something we don't need.

Best.Paragraph.Ever.

I totally agree with you Mark.

[Mark]

I hope when Martin calls the election, it'll be after November of this year. Then I can vote Liberal. :D

[Link04]

Is it too late to secede from the Union?

[Mark]

Originally posted by Link04@Mar 6 2005, 11:37 PM
Is it too late to secede from the Union?
I don't follow.

[Jon[athan]]

Originally posted by Mark+Mar 6 2005, 10:12 PM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (Mark @ Mar 6 2005, 10:12 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> <!--QuoteBegin--Link04@Mar 6 2005, 11:37 PM
Is it too late to secede from the Union?
I don&#39;t follow. [/b][/quote]
Link04 wants to leave the union of the states...the United States of America.






:P

[Mark]

Originally posted by .vicious.cycle.of.life.+Mar 6 2005, 11:46 PM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (.vicious.cycle.of.life. @ Mar 6 2005, 11:46 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'>
Originally posted by -Mark@Mar 6 2005, 10:12 PM
<!--QuoteBegin--Link04@Mar 6 2005, 11:37 PM
Is it too late to secede from the Union?
I don&#39;t follow.
Link04 wants to leave the union of the states...the United States of America.






:P [/b][/quote]
I thought he meant more along the lines of United Nations. :lol:

[Chris Luke]

Hell, if that&#39;s what Link was saying, I&#39;m with him.

[Leslie]

Originally posted by Mark@Mar 6 2005, 06:41 PM
It&#39;s absolutely asinine.
Totally agreed.
California should become it&#39;s own country.

Can I get a link to this article?

[F-ck Casey]

Originally posted by Leslie@Mar 6 2005, 09:54 PM
California should become it&#39;s own country.
All in due time...all in due time.

"Arizona Bay". Oh yes. B)

[Link]

This is the most rediculous thing the U.S. government could do. I can just see how this idea came about. Mr. Dubya was watching Alien Vs. Predator and one thing lead to another.

[Jon[athan]]

Originally posted by -[Link]-@Mar 6 2005, 11:16 PM
This is the most rediculous thing the U.S. government could do. I can just see how this idea came about. Mr. Dubya was watching Alien Vs. Predator and one thing lead to another.
lol. but a concern of mine is...if we are doing this. wont it lead to the rest of the world being like " well the U.S. did it, so we should do it too incase they try and use it against us" what good is ths going to do? i mean come on, just what we need, another weapons system to argue about with other countries.

EDTI: and my mudvayne sig is waaayyy better than yours :P

[Todd]

Dubya must have watched Austin Powers one too many times and think Dr. Evil has a laser on the moon or something.

[Mark]

Originally posted by .vicious.cycle.of.life.+Mar 7 2005, 05:35 PM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (.vicious.cycle.of.life. @ Mar 7 2005, 05:35 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> <!--QuoteBegin---[Link]-@Mar 6 2005, 11:16 PM
This is the most rediculous thing the U.S. government could do.* I can just see how this idea came about.* Mr. Dubya was watching Alien Vs. Predator and one thing lead to another.
lol. but a concern of mine is...if we are doing this. wont it lead to the rest of the world being like " well the U.S. did it, so we should do it too incase they try and use it against us" what good is ths going to do? i mean come on, just what we need, another weapons system to argue about with other countries.

EDTI: and my mudvayne sig is waaayyy better than yours :P [/b][/quote]
I already covered that when I said "arms race". :lol:

Leslie: I wrote that from previous knowledge of the plan off the top of my head.

[Ztarduzt]

Originally posted by fdmfkjd@Mar 7 2005, 02:43 AM
Didn&#39;t the United States try to do this once before? And Mark, I&#39;m really jealous. Your so lucky your Canadian.
yep.. it was called the Star Wars project. and they called it off becouse it costs too much. and it would take a long time to program all the satelites.. so i don&#39;t know why they do this again now... this didn&#39;t work before... so why should it work now?

[Tomi]

It&#39;s stupid, imo. If Paul Martin agreed with the BMD plan, I swear I would of moved from Canada. The BMD are useless, no need for them, they&#39;ll just make things worse.

[Neil]

Most of you are disagreeing with it because you hate Bush I&#39;m thinking. What if some other president tried this? Would you be thinking the same thing? I personally don&#39;t see anything too bad with this. If for some reason someone DOES attack North America, this will protect us. Well, ideally.

[Mark]

Originally posted by Neil@Mar 8 2005, 01:50 PM
Most of you are disagreeing with it because you hate Bush I&#39;m thinking. What if some other president tried this? Would you be thinking the same thing? I personally don&#39;t see anything too bad with this. If for some reason someone DOES attack North America, this will protect us. Well, ideally.
That&#39;s blasphemous.

If any leader risked the start of another arms race over excessive paranoia, I know I sure as hell wouldn&#39;t agree with it. I&#39;d also disagree with the launching of missiles from space over my homeland. US "smart bombs" can&#39;t even hit the right targets in Iraq, how the hell are they going to perfect accuracy on an untested, never-before-done, missile system from thousands of miles away in space? It makes no sense.

And not to sound cocky, but who the hell is going to attack Canada or Mexico, unless inadvertently. Canada hasn&#39;t participated in the Iraq war, and are merely peacekeepers in Afghanistan. 99.9% of the threat is on the United States, so if anyone was to attack anywhere in North America, it&#39;d be the US.

Lastly, if someone actually did have these "weapons of mass destruction", (i.e: nuclear), blowing it up in the air and spreading the toxins all over the world is hardly my idea of saving lives. They&#39;ll only kill more people in other countries in the long run, and it would hurt the environment and wildlife very much. If the US really wants to avoid getting attacked, stop attacking without merit&#33;

[Leslie]

Originally posted by Mark@Mar 7 2005, 02:21 PM
Leslie: I wrote that from previous knowledge of the plan off the top of my head.
Ahhh, okay. I was just curious because I wanted to show it to my professor. Thanks, though.

[Link04]

Originally posted by Neil@Mar 8 2005, 05:20 PM
Most of you are disagreeing with it because you hate Bush I&#39;m thinking. What if some other president tried this? Would you be thinking the same thing? I personally don&#39;t see anything too bad with this. If for some reason someone DOES attack North America, this will protect us. Well, ideally.
Really....and do you know what would protect us even more?

The eradication of nuclear weapons internationally.

[F-ck Casey]

It should be "The Militarization Of Space".

[Todd]

Originally posted by Casey@Mar 8 2005, 03:55 PM
It should be "The Militarization Of Space".
Militarization, weaponization, whatever. The words are synonymous

[savetomorrow]

War in Afghanistan...War in Iraq...now War in Space?

[NickelNine]

star wars.. cute.. :unsure:
the weaponization/militarization of space is just dumb but its inevitable.. if bush doesnt press the issue for it, someone else will.. world war 3 will happen also.. its just a matter of time..

[Jon[athan]]

Originally posted by Link04+Mar 8 2005, 04:30 PM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (Link04 @ Mar 8 2005, 04:30 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> <!--QuoteBegin--Neil@Mar 8 2005, 05:20 PM
Most of you are disagreeing with it because you hate Bush I&#39;m thinking. What if some other president tried this? Would you be thinking the same thing? I personally don&#39;t see anything too bad with this. If for some reason someone DOES attack North America, this will protect us. Well, ideally.
Really....and do you know what would protect us even more?

The eradication of nuclear weapons internationally. [/b][/quote]
like hell that would ever happen. there will ALWAYS be someone somewhere, storing nuclear weapons. and even if someone had tried to make all nuclear weapons destroyed, that could possibly trigger the anger of a country who has them, and doesnt want to destroy them. which could lead to a nuclear war.

[Mark]

Originally posted by .vicious.cycle.of.life.+Mar 9 2005, 10:45 PM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (.vicious.cycle.of.life. @ Mar 9 2005, 10:45 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'>
Originally posted by -Link04@Mar 8 2005, 04:30 PM
<!--QuoteBegin--Neil@Mar 8 2005, 05:20 PM
Most of you are disagreeing with it because you hate Bush I&#39;m thinking.* What if some other president tried this?* Would you be thinking the same thing?* I personally don&#39;t see anything too bad with this.* If for some reason someone DOES attack North America, this will protect us.* Well, ideally.
Really....and do you know what would protect us even more?

The eradication of nuclear weapons internationally.
like hell that would ever happen. there will ALWAYS be someone somewhere, storing nuclear weapons. and even if someone had tried to make all nuclear weapons destroyed, that could possibly trigger the anger of a country who has them, and doesnt want to destroy them. which could lead to a nuclear war. [/b][/quote]
Actually, I believe it was during the Reagan administration in the 80s when the Russian government came to them offering to eradicate all of their nuclear missiles if the US government did so as well. It was shot down.

Edit: Yeah. Apparently Reagan and Gorbachev (Russia&#39;s prime minister at the time), agreed to the abolition of Nuclear Weapons in 1985, but the policy was never ratified. Source (http://www.infomanage.com/nonproliferation/nucfreezone/nucfreeze.htm)

[Ander]

Notify me when they get to this...
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[Leslie]

:lol:

[Neil]

Now I remember why I stay out of the more political topics. People freak out over the smallest things.

[Mark]

Originally posted by Neil@Mar 10 2005, 10:21 AM
Now I remember why I stay out of the more political topics. People freak out over the smallest things.
Well, you can&#39;t expect people not to have a rebuttal when you say their views are biased. Can&#39;t handle the heat, stay away from the fire. :lol: