the gay thread

[rakka]

QUOTE
can i start the gay thread?

its where people can put there views on the gay community and what bush has to say about banning gay marriage?

if you say yes i will if you say no then i won't

-rakka


Sure. There hasn't been one in over a month.

But I should warn you, those kinds of threads get pretty heated, so watch out. Make it in Serious Chat and mention I gave you permission.

this is where we can talk about the gay community.

so i'm gonna flat out say that i'm bi sexual.

so this is where we can put our views on the gay community

so go head people ..

the pm was sent to mark then to me with the permission

[Chris(tmas)]

As long as they dont put their hands on my leg, i have no problem with them :lol:

[Mechanical Christ]

I have no problem with them at all. I know a few of them and they are very pleasant people. They also tend to be more, polite, and gentlemanly, as well as more respectful to females than the average straight male. Not that all straight males are jerks, but some really are.

[Ztarduzt]

Originally posted by Chris@Mar 1 2005, 07:21 AM
As long as they dont put their hands on my leg, i have no problem with them :lol:
me too :P

[Dave+Kay]

Originally posted by Ztarduzt+Mar 1 2005, 12:19 PM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (Ztarduzt @ Mar 1 2005, 12:19 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> <!--QuoteBegin--Chris@Mar 1 2005, 07:21 AM
As long as they dont put their hands on my leg, i have no problem with them :lol:
me too :P [/b][/quote]
same lol, they are real people just like anyone else really

[Ivana]

I have a few gay friends...belive me,they are ok.If that&#39;s the way they wanna live,that&#39;s ok with me.


don&#39;t hate :peace:

[rakka]

Originally posted by eva reanimated@Mar 1 2005, 12:29 PM
I have a few gay friends...belive me,they are ok.If that&#39;s the way they wanna live,that&#39;s ok with me.


don&#39;t hate :peace:
you guys can bash me i once had three people who imed me and started to bash me so it doesn&#39;t bother me.

but yes this is where people can place there oppions on the gay community and for what bush did to

[Danielle]

I don&#39;t care be to be honest, its their choice whther they choose to follow their Gay feelings, but you can&#39;t just choose to be gay randomly- isn&#39;t it a biological thing? Correct me if I&#39;m wrong here&#33;

[ChooseYourPoison]

are you linkin park psycho? :huh:

[Glenn]

Originally posted by Danielle@Mar 1 2005, 03:02 PM
I don&#39;t care be to be honest, its their choice whther they choose to follow their Gay feelings, but you can&#39;t just choose to be gay randomly- isn&#39;t it a biological thing? Correct me if I&#39;m wrong here&#33;
It&#39;s not a choice. It&#39;s where hormones are transfered differently throughout the body, I think. But I know that it&#39;s not a choice. You can&#39;t all of a sudden decide to be gay.

I support legalizing gay marriage. Bush is discriminating a lot of the human race by imposing bans on gay marriage.

Besides their fact that homosexual people are attracted to the same sex as themselves, they are no different from straight people. My French teacher is homosexual and I consider him to be one of the best teachers in the school. I have nothing against homo/bisexual people; they are similar to everyone else.

[Jon[athan]]

Originally posted by Danielle@Mar 1 2005, 03:02 PM
I don&#39;t care be to be honest, its their choice whther they choose to follow their Gay feelings, but you can&#39;t just choose to be gay randomly- isn&#39;t it a biological thing? Correct me if I&#39;m wrong here&#33;
i dont think its a genetic thing, as far as i knew it was the persons choice. and if it is genes, i want to see some proof.

and most of you probably already know my feelings towards being gay, i am completely against it, BUT i am not mean to gay people. we used to have a few in my school and i never hated them, nor avoided them. i was nice to them and spoke to them if they spoke to me. and as long as the dont come on to me i have no problem with them being around.

[Anya]

I see nothing wrong with it at all, It&#39;s their decision. I&#39;m bisexual, and it&#39;s fun lol. I don&#39;t hit on girls or anything, esspecially not my friends who I know are straight that would be wierd.. But yeah, I guess you allready know my veiws on it. I have no problem with it at all. ;)

[rakka]

Originally posted by HybridMinoda@Mar 1 2005, 08:18 PM
are you linkin park psycho? :huh:
no i just know who she is why did you ask?

[Chris Luke]

Originally posted by rakka+Mar 1 2005, 03:33 PM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (rakka @ Mar 1 2005, 03:33 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> <!--QuoteBegin--HybridMinoda@Mar 1 2005, 08:18 PM
are you linkin park psycho? :huh:
no i just know who she is why did you ask? [/b][/quote]
1) You have poor grammar (Sweet, I spelled it right)
2)You have the same sig and avatar as linkin park psycho did on the LPW.
3)Um............Nevermind 3.

But I doubt you&#39;re her because you don&#39;t type like a nimrod and you&#39;re not totaly brain dead.

[Leones]

Originally posted by .vicious.cycle.of.life.+Mar 1 2005, 10:25 PM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (.vicious.cycle.of.life. @ Mar 1 2005, 10:25 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> <!--QuoteBegin--Danielle@Mar 1 2005, 03:02 PM
I don&#39;t care be to be honest, its their choice whther they choose to follow their Gay feelings, but you can&#39;t just choose to be gay randomly- isn&#39;t it a biological thing? Correct me if I&#39;m wrong here&#33;
i dont think its a genetic thing, as far as i knew it was the persons choice. and if it is genes, i want to see some proof.

and most of you probably already know my feelings towards being gay, i am completely against it, BUT i am not mean to gay people. we used to have a few in my school and i never hated them, nor avoided them. i was nice to them and spoke to them if they spoke to me. and as long as the dont come on to me i have no problem with them being around. [/b][/quote]
wow, I can&#39;t believe people can say they&#39;re against homosexuality. Ok, it&#39;s your choice to say you&#39;re against it, but I believe that&#39;s not possible. Saying you&#39;re against it is the same as someone would say &#39;I&#39;m against heterosexuality.&#39; ... Don&#39;t you think that&#39;s weird. How can you be against something that has no options on being right or wrong? You CAN say you&#39;re against gaymarriage because you can allow it or disallow it. With being hetero, bi or gay you have no choice than being what you are. No options. No right. No wrong.
I really think you should reconsider your thoughts about this &#39;being against&#39;. I don&#39;t say you should support homosuality because that&#39;s bullshit, can&#39;t be done. People don&#39;t choose what they are, they just are.

[rakka]

Originally posted by fdmfkjd+Mar 1 2005, 08:52 PM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (fdmfkjd @ Mar 1 2005, 08:52 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'>
Originally posted by -rakka@Mar 1 2005, 03:33 PM
<!--QuoteBegin--HybridMinoda@Mar 1 2005, 08:18 PM
are you linkin park psycho? :huh:
no i just know who she is why did you ask?
1) You have poor grammar (Sweet, I spelled it right)
2)You have the same sig and avatar as linkin park psycho did on the LPW.
3)Um............Nevermind 3.

But I doubt you&#39;re her because you don&#39;t type like a nimrod and you&#39;re not totaly brain dead. [/b][/quote]
first off i have been to lpw and her sig is my december

second my sig is easier to run

third i&#39;m not that great with spelling

forth i&#39;m trying the best i can with spelling some words.

and 5th i&#39;m not her i just know who she is.

[CrazyBlueFairy]

Originally posted by Chris@Mar 1 2005, 07:21 AM
As long as they dont put their hands on my leg, i have no problem with them :lol:
First off I have nothing againt Gay people. in my opinion they cant choose to be gay and its just something that happeneds. I am around gay people alot. Im not homophobic. i have family member and good friends who are homosexual and are really great people. why should Bush ban Gay marriage. they are peole just like us straight pplz. they wanna find love and show the world their love. i dunno. i only had like 3 hoyrs of sleep and im out of it. but im not aginst gay pride or a gay marriage, bush can go suck a lemon... :hugz:

[F-ck Casey]

One of my best-friends is homosexual, and he admitted to liking me in 2003 I think, and I seriously considered going out with him for some odd reason. Yeah. I think only 2 people on LPA know about that.

Anyways, I don&#39;t have a problem with how they live their life or anything, but like alot of people, I don&#39;t want to see them making out. I hate it when anyone makes out in public. That&#39;s what cars or houses are for, damnit. Yeah, that&#39;s basically it. I feel the same way about lesbians too.

Because, you know, the kind of lesbians that guys love don&#39;t really exist, maybe a few in California or something, but other than that, it&#39;s something made up by the porn industry.

"Lipstick Lesbians".

[Chris Luke]

Hell, Homosexual and Bisexual people can do what ever they want. It dosn&#39;t effect me. I just don&#39;t see why Bush and many other catholics think being a Homosexual is like a sin.

[rakka]

Originally posted by Casey@Mar 1 2005, 10:58 PM
One of my best-friends is homosexual, and he admitted to liking me in 2003 I think, and I seriously considered going out with him for some odd reason. Yeah. I think only 2 people on LPA know about that.

Anyways, I don&#39;t have a problem with how they live their life or anything, but like alot of people, I don&#39;t want to see them making out. I hate it when anyone makes out in public. That&#39;s what cars or houses are for, damnit. Yeah, that&#39;s basically it. I feel the same way about lesbians too.

Because, you know, the kind of lesbians that guys love don&#39;t really exist, maybe a few in California or something, but other than that, it&#39;s something made up by the porn industry.

"Lipstick Lesbians".
i agree.............with you there.

i haven&#39;t even told my mom nor my dad i&#39;m bi.

so like there are times i feel guilty

[Whimsicality]

Originally posted by Casey@Mar 1 2005, 06:58 PM
Anyways, I don&#39;t have a problem with how they live their life or anything, but like alot of people, I don&#39;t want to see them making out. I hate it when anyone makes out in public. That&#39;s what cars or houses are for, damnit. Yeah, that&#39;s basically it. I feel the same way about lesbians too.
Agreed :)

[lpsk8er]

I think anyone who chooses to be gay is aware of what they are doing. I just don&#39;t see why people misunderstand them.

[Glenn]

Originally posted by fdmfkjd@Mar 1 2005, 06:02 PM
Hell, Homosexual and Bisexual people can do what ever they want. It dosn&#39;t effect me. I just don&#39;t see why Bush and many other catholics think being a Homosexual is like a sin.
Many Christians think that sex should only be used to produce children, and since homosexual sex doesn&#39;t produce children, they are against it.

[Matt]

I&#39;m not for gay marriage, but I&#39;m not against it either. I think homosexuals and lesbians should be treated just like regular people instead of making such a fuss about it.


Edit:I&#39;m a Catholic, which is almost the same as a Christian, but I&#39;m not against homosexual sex.

[F-ck Casey]

Originally posted by _Matt_@Mar 1 2005, 08:25 PM
I&#39;m not for gay marriage, but I&#39;m not against it either. I think homosexuals and lesbians should be treated just like regular people instead of making such a fuss about it.


Edit:I&#39;m a Catholic, which is almost the same as a Christian, but I&#39;m not against homosexual sex.
So, you&#39;re for homosexuals and lesbians being treated as normal people (which they are), but you&#39;re against gay marriage?

That&#39;s an original stance, I must say. :P

[Maëlle]

You&#39;re against homosexuality.. so what? How can you be against homosexuality? You aren&#39;t the homosexual one, so what does it change to your life?

I don&#39;t like cold. Do I make a law against winter? No, because even if I made a law, it wouldn&#39;t stop the cold from being here. Just like telling that same sex wedding is illegal won&#39;t stop homosexuality. It&#39;s a fact of today&#39;s society, learn to live with it, dammit&#33;


(I used the cold as an example of something I don&#39;t like, but it doesn&#39;t mean that I&#39;m against homosexuality. Quite the opposite, actually)

[Mark]

Originally posted by lpsk8er@Mar 1 2005, 10:04 PM
I think anyone who chooses to be gay is aware of what they are doing. I just don&#39;t see why people misunderstand them.
There is no choice. ;) They can&#39;t change it. They can only lie to themselves if they&#39;re really gay and have a partner of the opposite sex.

Homosexuals are people, like all of us. They should be treated fairly and equally to anyone else.

If you want to look to a bible to guide your feelings on this subject, then you should also denounce that the Sun is the center of the universe. Religious leaders made Galileo retract his statement of the of what would become the heliocentric model in the "B.C" times. Look how far off they were.

Well said, Maëlle. If it doesn&#39;t hurt them, why take it out on gay people who want to be treated normally?

[ChooseYourPoison]

Mark, I&#39;m all for homosexuality, but may I correct you by saying that you do have a choice. You have a choice for everything you do. You can choose to be homosexual. You can completely choose your feelings. You choose to make yourself happy, you choose to make yourself angry, sad, etc. The same goes for homosexuality. If you want to like a member of the same sex, you&#39;re going to find a way to do it, and same for the latter. ;)

[Mark]

Originally posted by HybridMinoda@Mar 2 2005, 12:06 AM
Mark, I&#39;m all for homosexuality, but may I correct you by saying that you do have a choice. You have a choice for everything you do. You can choose to be homosexual. You can completely choose your feelings. You choose to make yourself happy, you choose to make yourself angry, sad, etc. The same goes for homosexuality. If you want to like a member of the same sex, you&#39;re going to find a way to do it, and same for the latter. ;)
No.

Homosexuality, as scientific studies have shown, is caused by chemical imbalances in the brain. There is no choice involved in whetehr you are naturally gay or straight.

It&#39;s like eye color, you can&#39;t choose that as well. People don&#39;t choose their sexual orientation, unless they go against what their natural one is.

[ChooseYourPoison]

Originally posted by Mark+Mar 2 2005, 03:39 AM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (Mark @ Mar 2 2005, 03:39 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> <!--QuoteBegin--HybridMinoda@Mar 2 2005, 12:06 AM
Mark, I&#39;m all for homosexuality, but may I correct you by saying that you do have a choice. You have a choice for everything you do. You can choose to be homosexual. You can completely choose your feelings. You choose to make yourself happy, you choose to make yourself angry, sad, etc. The same goes for homosexuality. If you want to like a member of the same sex, you&#39;re going to find a way to do it, and same for the latter. ;)
No.

Homosexuality, as scientific studies have shows, is caused by chemical imbalances in the brain. There is no choice involved.

It&#39;s like eye color, you can&#39;t choose that as well. People don&#39;t choose their sexual orientation, unless they go against what their natural one is. [/b][/quote]
I understand, but there&#39;s always grey area. You can always get colored contacts. :teehee:

[Mark]

Originally posted by HybridMinoda+Mar 2 2005, 12:10 AM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (HybridMinoda @ Mar 2 2005, 12:10 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'>
Originally posted by -Mark@Mar 2 2005, 03:39 AM
<!--QuoteBegin--HybridMinoda@Mar 2 2005, 12:06 AM
Mark, I&#39;m all for homosexuality, but may I correct you by saying that you do have a choice. You have a choice for everything you do. You can choose to be homosexual. You can completely choose your feelings. You choose to make yourself happy, you choose to make yourself angry, sad, etc. The same goes for homosexuality. If you want to like a member of the same sex, you&#39;re going to find a way to do it, and same for the latter.* ;)
No.

Homosexuality, as scientific studies have shown, is caused by chemical imbalances in the brain. There is no choice involved.

It&#39;s like eye color, you can&#39;t choose that as well. People don&#39;t choose their sexual orientation, unless they go against what their natural one is.
I understand, but there&#39;s always grey area. You can always get colored contacts. :teehee: [/b][/quote]
Yes, but you can&#39;t choose your natural eye color. :lol:

[Matt]

Originally posted by Casey+Mar 1 2005, 06:28 PM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (Casey @ Mar 1 2005, 06:28 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> <!--QuoteBegin--_Matt_@Mar 1 2005, 08:25 PM
I&#39;m not for gay marriage, but I&#39;m not against it either. I think homosexuals and lesbians should be treated just like regular people instead of making such a fuss about it.


Edit:I&#39;m a Catholic, which is almost the same as a Christian, but I&#39;m not against homosexual sex.
So, you&#39;re for homosexuals and lesbians being treated as normal people (which they are), but you&#39;re against gay marriage?

That&#39;s an original stance, I must say. :P [/b][/quote]
:mellow: ...I need to make rough drafts for my posts or something, don&#39;t I?

[F-ck Casey]

Yes.

[ChooseYourPoison]

Originally posted by _Matt_+Mar 2 2005, 03:48 AM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (_Matt_ @ Mar 2 2005, 03:48 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'>
Originally posted by -Casey@Mar 1 2005, 06:28 PM
<!--QuoteBegin--_Matt_@Mar 1 2005, 08:25 PM
I&#39;m not for gay marriage, but I&#39;m not against it either. I think homosexuals and lesbians should be treated just like regular people instead of making such a fuss about it.


Edit:I&#39;m a Catholic, which is almost the same as a Christian, but I&#39;m not against homosexual sex.
So, you&#39;re for homosexuals and lesbians being treated as normal people (which they are), but you&#39;re against gay marriage?

That&#39;s an original stance, I must say. :P
:mellow: ...I need to make rough drafts for my posts or something, don&#39;t I? [/b][/quote]
You know, you can sit there and preach to me for hours about how gay marraige is against your religion, but what about seperation of church and state? True, there is a law that says that enforcing a religious law is allowed, but what about the constitution? Are not homosexuals entitled, just like everyone else, to life, liberty and the persuit of happiness?

[F-ck Casey]

Originally posted by HybridMinoda+Mar 1 2005, 09:53 PM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (HybridMinoda @ Mar 1 2005, 09:53 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'>
Originally posted by -_Matt_@Mar 2 2005, 03:48 AM

Originally posted by -Casey@Mar 1 2005, 06:28 PM
<!--QuoteBegin--_Matt_@Mar 1 2005, 08:25 PM
I&#39;m not for gay marriage, but I&#39;m not against it either. I think homosexuals and lesbians should be treated just like regular people instead of making such a fuss about it.


Edit:I&#39;m a Catholic, which is almost the same as a Christian, but I&#39;m not against homosexual sex.
So, you&#39;re for homosexuals and lesbians being treated as normal people (which they are), but you&#39;re against gay marriage?

That&#39;s an original stance, I must say. :P
:mellow: ...I need to make rough drafts for my posts or something, don&#39;t I?
You know, you can sit there and preach to me for hours about how gay marraige is against your religion, but what about seperation of church and state? True, there is a law that says that enforcing a religious law is allowed, but what about the constitution? Are not homosexuals entitled, just like everyone else, to life, liberty and the persuit of happiness? [/b][/quote]
Thomas Jefferson wrote in The Constitution that all men are created equal, but he also believed that blacks were inferior to white men, and he was a slave owner.

So, yeah, The Constitution is a big pile of shit. Jefferson is a hypocrite.

[ChooseYourPoison]

Originally posted by Casey+Mar 2 2005, 03:55 AM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (Casey @ Mar 2 2005, 03:55 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'>
Originally posted by -HybridMinoda@Mar 1 2005, 09:53 PM

Originally posted by -_Matt_@Mar 2 2005, 03:48 AM

Originally posted by -Casey@Mar 1 2005, 06:28 PM
<!--QuoteBegin--_Matt_@Mar 1 2005, 08:25 PM
I&#39;m not for gay marriage, but I&#39;m not against it either. I think homosexuals and lesbians should be treated just like regular people instead of making such a fuss about it.


Edit:I&#39;m a Catholic, which is almost the same as a Christian, but I&#39;m not against homosexual sex.
So, you&#39;re for homosexuals and lesbians being treated as normal people (which they are), but you&#39;re against gay marriage?

That&#39;s an original stance, I must say. :P
:mellow: ...I need to make rough drafts for my posts or something, don&#39;t I?
You know, you can sit there and preach to me for hours about how gay marraige is against your religion, but what about seperation of church and state? True, there is a law that says that enforcing a religious law is allowed, but what about the constitution? Are not homosexuals entitled, just like everyone else, to life, liberty and the persuit of happiness?
Thomas Jefferson wrote in The Constitution that all men are created equal, but he also believed that blacks were inferior to white men, and he was a slave owner.

So, yeah, The Constitution is a big pile of shit. Jefferson is a hypocrite. [/b][/quote]
Then why is it still valid? :huh: You know I find it funny. Not only does the Constitution contradict itself a lot, but so does the bible. I have a huge ass test on the Constitution tomorrow..I wonder what would happen if I just said &#39;I&#39;m not taking it, since it&#39;s pointless anyway" :P

[F-ck Casey]

Because Americans don&#39;t want to admit that our founding fathers were slave owners and weren&#39;t really the saints that we grew up thinking they were.

[+ / –]

Back on topic.

Homosexuality is fine with me, it&#39;s not a big problem or anything, they&#39;re normal people. I don&#39;t care who they think is hot or not, etc.

As to the Bible and the Constitution...

The Bible was written a very long time ago. <-Fact.

The Constitution was written by hypocrites.

Just because a document says it doesn&#39;t mean it&#39;s true.

Otherwise I&#39;d be king of the world.

Don&#39;t base your beliefs on outdated texts, base it on your opinion. Are you comfortable with guys liking guys and the opposite?

I&#39;m comfortable with it, I just prefer not to see or imagine it in my head.

Unless the girls are hot. :innocent:

[Jila]

hey, im all for equality. i think thats all i have to say.

[Leones]

Originally posted by HybridMinoda@Mar 2 2005, 05:36 AM
Mark, I&#39;m all for homosexuality, but may I correct you by saying that you do have a choice. You have a choice for everything you do. You can choose to be homosexual. You can completely choose your feelings. You choose to make yourself happy, you choose to make yourself angry, sad, etc. The same goes for homosexuality. If you want to like a member of the same sex, you&#39;re going to find a way to do it, and same for the latter. ;)
Did you choose to be straight?
I don&#39;t think so. You were born straight. You probably never thought &#39;Hey, I want to be straight.&#39; because you always were straight.
The same thing for homosexuals and bisexuals.

edit: when you grow up you make hormones and you become straight, bi, or gay. You aren&#39;t aware of it, you become aware when you are confronted with it, by yourself or by others. Just like you grow, you aren&#39;t aware your body becomes taller but when someone say you are taller than last time you are ware of your growth. What I mean to say, you don&#39;t choose your hormones, you don&#39;t choose how you feel, you don&#39;t know in the beginning (when you are still a child, you don&#39;t care about your sexuality) you&#39;re becoming what you are.

Another thing. Why do some people feel and say being hetero is normal and being gay or bi is less normal or even wrong? Being gay or being bi just as normal as being hetero. Because there are more straight people doesn&#39;t mean being straight is the best way to go.

[Dave+Kay]

Originally posted by Leones+Mar 2 2005, 08:56 AM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (Leones @ Mar 2 2005, 08:56 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> <!--QuoteBegin--HybridMinoda@Mar 2 2005, 05:36 AM
Mark, I&#39;m all for homosexuality, but may I correct you by saying that you do have a choice. You have a choice for everything you do. You can choose to be homosexual. You can completely choose your feelings. You choose to make yourself happy, you choose to make yourself angry, sad, etc. The same goes for homosexuality. If you want to like a member of the same sex, you&#39;re going to find a way to do it, and same for the latter.* ;)
Did you choose to be straight?
I don&#39;t think so. You were born straight. You probably never thought &#39;Hey, I want to be straight.&#39; because you always were straight.
The same thing for homosexuals and bisexuals.

edit: when you grow up you make hormones and you become straight, bi, or gay. You aren&#39;t aware of it, you become aware when you are confronted with it, by yourself or by others. Just like you grow, you aren&#39;t aware your body becomes taller but when someone say you are taller than last time you are ware of your growth. What I mean to say, you don&#39;t choose your hormones, you don&#39;t choose how you feel, you don&#39;t know in the beginning (when you are still a child, you don&#39;t care about your sexuality) you&#39;re becoming what you are.

Another thing. Why do some people feel and say being hetero is normal and being gay or bi is less normal or even wrong? Being gay or being bi just as normal as being hetero. Because there are more straight people doesn&#39;t mean being straight is the best way to go. [/b][/quote]
Agreed, which is why its unfair to treat them differntly, they didnt choose to be homosexual or bisexual, just like some didnt choose to be hetro, so why treat them differntly? there are some things that you cant choose, and this is one of them, so you cant hate people, or take the piss out of people for being themselves. and its not like they are any differnt is it?

[Maëlle]

Originally posted by HybridMinoda+Mar 1 2005, 10:40 PM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (HybridMinoda @ Mar 1 2005, 10:40 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'>
Originally posted by -Mark@Mar 2 2005, 03:39 AM
<!--QuoteBegin--HybridMinoda@Mar 2 2005, 12:06 AM
Mark, I&#39;m all for homosexuality, but may I correct you by saying that you do have a choice. You have a choice for everything you do. You can choose to be homosexual. You can completely choose your feelings. You choose to make yourself happy, you choose to make yourself angry, sad, etc. The same goes for homosexuality. If you want to like a member of the same sex, you&#39;re going to find a way to do it, and same for the latter.* ;)
No.

Homosexuality, as scientific studies have shows, is caused by chemical imbalances in the brain. There is no choice involved.

It&#39;s like eye color, you can&#39;t choose that as well. People don&#39;t choose their sexual orientation, unless they go against what their natural one is.
I understand, but there&#39;s always grey area. You can always get colored contacts. :teehee: [/b][/quote]
... Just like you can naturally be homosexual and pretend you&#39;re not for years.

[User Name]

Originally posted by SaxopianoGRD+Mar 1 2005, 06:35 PM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (SaxopianoGRD @ Mar 1 2005, 06:35 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteBegin--fdmfkjd@Mar 1 2005, 06:02 PM
Hell, Homosexual and Bisexual people can do what ever they want. It dosn&#39;t effect me. I just don&#39;t see why Bush and many other catholics think being a Homosexual is like a sin.
Many Christians think that sex should only be used to produce children, and since homosexual sex doesn&#39;t produce children, they are against it.[/b][/quote]
Are you kidding me Sax? The Bible is very clear in that sex was created not just for procreation, but for pleasure as well.

In a nutshell, here&#39;s what a majority of modern day Christians think in regards to homosexuality:

It goes against the natural order of things. Someone should meet and marry another of the opposite sex, not one of the same sex.
It is made very clear in both the Old and New Testament that God is against homosexuality, which is regarded as a sexual sin.
Using the two points above, this leads us to the idea that most Christians today regard homosexuals as abominations.


Here&#39;s what I think:

(This opinion was formed through my interpretation of the Bible. I would put down references from the book itself, but I don&#39;t have one handy)

I don&#39;t believe that homosexuality is caused by chemical imbalances or through choice. I don&#39;t care if you call me crazy, but I think that one becomes homosexual through influence in the spiritual realm; from the devil himself, more specifically. It&#39;s said that he has powers like God, so it&#39;s quite possible that he can also influence someone&#39;s sexual orientation. This probably won&#39;t make sense to any of you at all, and I don&#39;t expect it to. Anyways, the reason why I believe it&#39;s through spiritual influence is because in Genesis, it was said that it was very peaceful, until Satan decieved Adam and Eve into eating the fruit of the forbidden tree. Also in Revelation, it&#39;s said during God&#39;s reign on earth that a lion and a lamb will be able to sit beside each other without the lion wanting to eat the lamb. This led me to the conclusion that animals attack each other because of influence from Satan. If that were true, wouldn&#39;t it also be possible that men would seek a physical relationship with each other for that very same reason?

Okay, I guess that&#39;s enough from me. I&#39;m not trying to preach to you, or pass this off as truth: This is simply what I believe. You are entitled to disagree with it just as much as I am entitled to disagree with yours.

[Leones]

Originally posted by Cameron+Mar 2 2005, 06:18 PM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (Cameron @ Mar 2 2005, 06:18 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'>
Originally posted by -SaxopianoGRD@Mar 1 2005, 06:35 PM
<!--QuoteBegin--fdmfkjd@Mar 1 2005, 06:02 PM
Hell, Homosexual and Bisexual people can do what ever they want. It dosn&#39;t effect me. I just don&#39;t see why Bush and many other catholics think being a Homosexual is like a sin.
Many Christians think that sex should only be used to produce children, and since homosexual sex doesn&#39;t produce children, they are against it.
Are you kidding me Sax? The Bible is very clear in that sex was created not just for procreation, but for pleasure as well.

In a nutshell, here&#39;s what a majority of modern day Christians think in regards to homosexuality:

It goes against the natural order of things. Someone should meet and marry another of the opposite sex, not one of the same sex.
It is made very clear in both the Old and New Testament that God is against homosexuality, which is regarded as a sexual sin.
Using the two points above, this leads us to the idea that most Christians today regard homosexuals as abominations.


Here&#39;s what I think:

(This opinion was formed through my interpretation of the Bible. I would put down references from the book itself, but I don&#39;t have one handy)

I don&#39;t believe that homosexuality is caused by chemical imbalances or through choice. I don&#39;t care if you call me crazy, but I think that one becomes homosexual through influence in the spiritual realm; from the devil himself, more specifically. It&#39;s said that he has powers like God, so it&#39;s quite possible that he can also influence someone&#39;s sexual orientation. This probably won&#39;t make sense to any of you at all, and I don&#39;t expect it to. Anyways, the reason why I believe it&#39;s through spiritual influence is because in Genesis, it was said that it was very peaceful, until Satan decieved Adam and Eve into eating the fruit of the forbidden tree. Also in Revelation, it&#39;s said during God&#39;s reign on earth that a lion and a lamb will be able to sit beside each other without the lion wanting to eat the lamb. This led me to the conclusion that animals attack each other because of influence from Satan. If that were true, wouldn&#39;t it also be possible that men would seek a physical relationship with each other for that very same reason?

Okay, I guess that&#39;s enough from me. I&#39;m not trying to preach to you, or pass this off as truth: This is simply what I believe. You are entitled to disagree with it just as much as I am entitled to disagree with yours. [/b][/quote]
That&#39;s sad. I understand completely what you say. I grew up with it. I just said this one week ago to a classmate. What bothers me about alot of christians is that the things they disagree to are placed under the label &#39;influenced by the devil&#39;. It&#39;s really easy to talk your thoughts right isn&#39;t it?
And a second. It&#39;s true that there are christians who believe sex is for production only. They&#39;re against protection aswell because, they say, if you get a baby, it was the will of God, your creator.
But that doesn&#39;t really have to do with this topic.

[F-ck Casey]

Maybe a Christian or someone can answer this:

Isn&#39;t God supposed to love everyone? Or does he still love the homosexuals, but diagree with how they&#39;re leading their life?

[Jon[athan]]

Originally posted by Leones+Mar 2 2005, 11:36 AM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (Leones @ Mar 2 2005, 11:36 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'>
Originally posted by -Cameron@Mar 2 2005, 06:18 PM

Originally posted by -SaxopianoGRD@Mar 1 2005, 06:35 PM
<!--QuoteBegin--fdmfkjd@Mar 1 2005, 06:02 PM
Hell, Homosexual and Bisexual people can do what ever they want. It dosn&#39;t effect me. I just don&#39;t see why Bush and many other catholics think being a Homosexual is like a sin.
Many Christians think that sex should only be used to produce children, and since homosexual sex doesn&#39;t produce children, they are against it.
Are you kidding me Sax? The Bible is very clear in that sex was created not just for procreation, but for pleasure as well.

In a nutshell, here&#39;s what a majority of modern day Christians think in regards to homosexuality:

It goes against the natural order of things. Someone should meet and marry another of the opposite sex, not one of the same sex.
It is made very clear in both the Old and New Testament that God is against homosexuality, which is regarded as a sexual sin.
Using the two points above, this leads us to the idea that most Christians today regard homosexuals as abominations.


Here&#39;s what I think:

(This opinion was formed through my interpretation of the Bible. I would put down references from the book itself, but I don&#39;t have one handy)

I don&#39;t believe that homosexuality is caused by chemical imbalances or through choice. I don&#39;t care if you call me crazy, but I think that one becomes homosexual through influence in the spiritual realm; from the devil himself, more specifically. It&#39;s said that he has powers like God, so it&#39;s quite possible that he can also influence someone&#39;s sexual orientation. This probably won&#39;t make sense to any of you at all, and I don&#39;t expect it to. Anyways, the reason why I believe it&#39;s through spiritual influence is because in Genesis, it was said that it was very peaceful, until Satan decieved Adam and Eve into eating the fruit of the forbidden tree. Also in Revelation, it&#39;s said during God&#39;s reign on earth that a lion and a lamb will be able to sit beside each other without the lion wanting to eat the lamb. This led me to the conclusion that animals attack each other because of influence from Satan. If that were true, wouldn&#39;t it also be possible that men would seek a physical relationship with each other for that very same reason?

Okay, I guess that&#39;s enough from me. I&#39;m not trying to preach to you, or pass this off as truth: This is simply what I believe. You are entitled to disagree with it just as much as I am entitled to disagree with yours.
That&#39;s sad. I understand completely what you say. I grew up with it. I just said this one week ago to a classmate. What bothers me about alot of christians is that the things they disagree to are placed under the label &#39;influenced by the devil&#39;. It&#39;s really easy to talk your thoughts right isn&#39;t it?
And a second. It&#39;s true that there are christians who believe sex is for production only. They&#39;re against protection aswell because, they say, if you get a baby, it was the will of God, your creator.
But that doesn&#39;t really have to do with this topic. [/b][/quote]
no most christians are against protection because we believe that sex should be saved for with in the bounds of marriage, and not before it. so thus you shouldnt need protection if ppl would just wait till marriage.

and at Cameron. i think you pretty much coverd it all...and to just back you up. i met a guy who was once a gay, before he came to know the Lord. after he did he realized that it was wrong and converted, and now has a wife and 2 kids. now tell me...can that honestly be a chemical inbalance?

[Mark]

Originally posted by .vicious.cycle.of.life.+Mar 2 2005, 07:08 PM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (.vicious.cycle.of.life. @ Mar 2 2005, 07:08 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'>
Originally posted by -Leones@Mar 2 2005, 11:36 AM

Originally posted by -Cameron@Mar 2 2005, 06:18 PM

Originally posted by -SaxopianoGRD@Mar 1 2005, 06:35 PM
<!--QuoteBegin--fdmfkjd@Mar 1 2005, 06:02 PM
Hell, Homosexual and Bisexual people can do what ever they want. It dosn&#39;t effect me. I just don&#39;t see why Bush and many other catholics think being a Homosexual is like a sin.
Many Christians think that sex should only be used to produce children, and since homosexual sex doesn&#39;t produce children, they are against it.
Are you kidding me Sax? The Bible is very clear in that sex was created not just for procreation, but for pleasure as well.

In a nutshell, here&#39;s what a majority of modern day Christians think in regards to homosexuality:

It goes against the natural order of things. Someone should meet and marry another of the opposite sex, not one of the same sex.
It is made very clear in both the Old and New Testament that God is against homosexuality, which is regarded as a sexual sin.
Using the two points above, this leads us to the idea that most Christians today regard homosexuals as abominations.


Here&#39;s what I think:

(This opinion was formed through my interpretation of the Bible. I would put down references from the book itself, but I don&#39;t have one handy)

I don&#39;t believe that homosexuality is caused by chemical imbalances or through choice. I don&#39;t care if you call me crazy, but I think that one becomes homosexual through influence in the spiritual realm; from the devil himself, more specifically. It&#39;s said that he has powers like God, so it&#39;s quite possible that he can also influence someone&#39;s sexual orientation. This probably won&#39;t make sense to any of you at all, and I don&#39;t expect it to. Anyways, the reason why I believe it&#39;s through spiritual influence is because in Genesis, it was said that it was very peaceful, until Satan decieved Adam and Eve into eating the fruit of the forbidden tree. Also in Revelation, it&#39;s said during God&#39;s reign on earth that a lion and a lamb will be able to sit beside each other without the lion wanting to eat the lamb. This led me to the conclusion that animals attack each other because of influence from Satan. If that were true, wouldn&#39;t it also be possible that men would seek a physical relationship with each other for that very same reason?

Okay, I guess that&#39;s enough from me. I&#39;m not trying to preach to you, or pass this off as truth: This is simply what I believe. You are entitled to disagree with it just as much as I am entitled to disagree with yours.
That&#39;s sad. I understand completely what you say. I grew up with it. I just said this one week ago to a classmate. What bothers me about alot of christians is that the things they disagree to are placed under the label &#39;influenced by the devil&#39;. It&#39;s really easy to talk your thoughts right isn&#39;t it?
And a second. It&#39;s true that there are christians who believe sex is for production only. They&#39;re against protection aswell because, they say, if you get a baby, it was the will of God, your creator.
But that doesn&#39;t really have to do with this topic.
no most christians are against protection because we believe that sex should be saved for with in the bounds of marriage, and not before it. so thus you shouldnt need protection if ppl would just wait till marriage.

and at Cameron. i think you pretty much coverd it all...and to just back you up. i met a guy who was once a gay, before he came to know the Lord. after he did he realized that it was wrong and converted, and now has a wife and 2 kids. now tell me...can that honestly be a chemical inbalance? [/b][/quote]
That&#39;s called "going against your sexual nature because you&#39;re a god-fearer".

Religion has often come up with explanations in the face of proven scientific facts, and has come out wrong every time. Religion has never disproven a scientific fact. This is a scientific fact, that homosexuality is caused by hormonal imbalances.

[User Name]

Originally posted by Casey@Mar 2 2005, 03:13 PM
Maybe a Christian or someone can answer this:

Isn&#39;t God supposed to love everyone? Or does he still love the homosexuals, but diagree with how they&#39;re leading their life?
I stopped considering myself a Christian back in September, but to answer your question, yes.

[Leones]

Originally posted by Cameron+Mar 3 2005, 01:32 AM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (Cameron @ Mar 3 2005, 01:32 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> <!--QuoteBegin--Casey@Mar 2 2005, 03:13 PM
Maybe a Christian or someone can answer this:

Isn&#39;t God supposed to love everyone? Or does he still love the homosexuals, but diagree with how they&#39;re leading their life?
I stopped considering myself a Christian back in September, but to answer your question, yes. [/b][/quote]
so...if God disagree with how they live their lives they should go to hell..right? BUT He still loves them...right?

Easy said. &#39;God&#39; is the right and good one because he loves them but in the mean time don&#39;t give a fuck about them going to hell. It&#39;s like I&#39;m saying &#39;I love you but I won&#39;t stop you from crossing the road when I know a car will hit you.&#39; I think the word &#39;love&#39; is included just to make god look like a loving god....though the word &#39;love&#39; is so fake.

When I still believed in a god, I sometimes thought he was playing the game &#39;how to make mankind&#39;s life as hard, unfair and confusing as possible&#39; Gave me the feeling god was selfcentric and pretended to be the only good and pure one.

So, I think that this all &#39;believe&#39; in a god is useless.




i met a guy who was once a gay, before he came to know the Lord. after he did he realized that it was wrong and converted, and now has a wife and 2 kids. now tell me...can that honestly be a chemical inbalance?

I met a guy who once was straight, while he knew the Lord. While he did he realized that he was wrong about his sexuality, and now, being still a christian, he got kicked out of the community. He lost his wife and 3 kids for some time. Now tell me...do you think it was his choice to be gay or could it be chemical inbalance?

;) Never make a conclusion on just one story.

[User Name]

Originally posted by Leones@Mar 3 2005, 02:49 AM
Easy said. &#39;God&#39; is the right and good one because he loves them but in the mean time don&#39;t give a fuck about them going to hell. It&#39;s like I&#39;m saying &#39;I love you but I won&#39;t stop you from crossing the road when I know a car will hit you.&#39; I think the word &#39;love&#39; is included just to make god look like a loving god....though the word &#39;love&#39; is so fake.
No. God doesn&#39;t send someone to hell because he wants to. The Bible talks about a &#39;Book of Life&#39; that has everyone&#39;s name in it, including homosexuals, murderers, the worst of the worst, you know? In their lifetime, if one didn&#39;t choose to believe and follow Christ by the time they died, their name is taken out, and their soul is cast into hell. Like I said before, He doesn&#39;t want to do it, and in fact, He&#39;d rather have them join Him in heaven. You only get one chance to live this life; if you blow it, then, well, you suffer the consequences. Oh, and I forgot to mention that the free will we have? Yeah, it plays a huge role in how things turn out.


So, I think that this all &#39;believe&#39; in a god is useless.

Although I disagree with what you say, I&#39;m not going to stop you from believing that.

[Whimsicality]

Originally posted by .vicious.cycle.of.life.+Mar 2 2005, 06:38 PM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (.vicious.cycle.of.life. @ Mar 2 2005, 06:38 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> <!--QuoteBegin--Leones@Mar 2 2005, 11:36 AM

They&#39;re against protection aswell because, they say, if you get a baby, it was the will of God, your creator.
But that doesn&#39;t really have to do with this topic.
no most christians are against protection because we believe that sex should be saved for with in the bounds of marriage, and not before it. so thus you shouldnt need protection if ppl would just wait till marriage. [/b][/quote]
Why wouldn&#39;t you need protection within the "bounds of marriage?" What if a couple could only afford to raise one child? Do they have to stop having sex? That&#39;s kind of silly.


Does anyone have any essays/articles from well-known science magazines/wesites/et cetra about the whole chemical imbalence thing? I said before that I have no problem with homosexuality, which is true, and I do believe it&#39;s a natural behavior, and not an "unnatural" or "immoral" one, but I&#39;m uncomfortable throwing around facts if I don&#39;t know that they are actually facts, and not just theories.

[Leones]

Why did God create hell in first place? and if the devil created it, why did God let him?

I don&#39;t wish my enemies ... no wait .. I don&#39;t wish the people, who don&#39;t believe in me or have different opinions than me, to burn forever in hell.

If God is so powerful, and he can beat the devil, why doesn&#39;t he do it now? he lets everyone wait and suffer for nothing. does he enjoy it?

maybe I go a bit far but I really think this whole God and devil thing is a by mankind started puzzle, and everyone who contributed to this belief made (and still makes) a puzzlepiece, placed them all together and tried/s to make it work. And they say &#39;See, this puzzle fits perfectly&#39; &#39;This is the thruth, our belief&#39;

[Chris(tmas)]

Isnt Satan an fallen angel and God is like, the boss of all the angels and he&#39;s more powerful? :lol:

[Jon[athan]]

Originally posted by Leones@Mar 3 2005, 11:33 AM
Why did God create hell in first place? and if the devil created it, why did God let him?

I don&#39;t wish my enemies ... no wait .. I don&#39;t wish the people, who don&#39;t believe in me or have different opinions than me, to burn forever in hell.

If God is so powerful, and he can beat the devil, why doesn&#39;t he do it now? he lets everyone wait and suffer for nothing. does he enjoy it?

maybe I go a bit far but I really think this whole God and devil thing is a by mankind started puzzle, and everyone who contributed to this belief made (and still makes) a puzzlepiece, placed them all together and tried/s to make it work. And they say &#39;See, this puzzle fits perfectly&#39; &#39;This is the thruth, our belief&#39;
God didnt have to create a hell. but when adam first sinned, he broke away from God. and because of that God created a hell, for those who CHOOSE not to believe in Him, and thus go to hell at the end of their lives here on earth. but this is also why God sent his son so that we would have a second chance after adam ruined our first chance.

[Kevin]

I can stand gay people who just act normal , but can&#39;s stand guys who have pink hear etc.. or female who are completely males

[Danielle]

God is thought to be good,nice and caring because without it he would be something to fear rather than something to worship and love. The nature of God is often thought to be Omnibenevolent(the nice bit) ,Omnipotent( all powerful),omniscient(all seeing and knowing) andomnipresent( everywhere). So no-one would worship a God that could see everything you did and was everywhere you were and was the most powerful thing ever. So its seemed like the perfect solution at the time to just say he was nice aswell.

Btw- I&#39;m not Christian at all- I just like learnign about religion and stuff.

[Leones]

So God only makes it difficult for himself and for humans..
when adam sinned, god punished him with death and deseases ... I&#39;m not sure about hell. And if he made hell because adam sinned, I still think that&#39;s harsh..and well, sounds like.. That god made humans but it went wrong, as he already knew .. but he still made man so it was supposed to go wrong, so he could punish man with death, deaseases and hell, but he promised one sulution, by sending his son to earth, let him suffer for man, so man can go to heaven IF they listen and do what god says, if not, you&#39;re ending up in hell.
So he knew all along man would get punished, and he would send his son to be the &#39;savior&#39;. seems very planned. People would see him as the mercyfull one while he let it go wrong from the start. And people would think its their fault bacause the devil influenced them..

[Jon[athan]]

Originally posted by Leones@Mar 3 2005, 04:43 PM
So God only makes it difficult for himself and for humans..
when adam sinned, god punished him with death and deseases ... I&#39;m not sure about hell. And if he made hell because adam sinned, I still think that&#39;s harsh..and well, sounds like.. That god made humans but it went wrong, as he already knew .. but he still made man so it was supposed to go wrong, so he could punish man with death, deaseases and hell, but he promised one sulution, by sending his son to earth, let him suffer for man, so man can go to heaven IF they listen and do what god says, if not, you&#39;re ending up in hell.
So he knew all along man would get punished, and he would send his son to be the &#39;savior&#39;. seems very planned. People would see him as the mercyfull one while he let it go wrong from the start. And people would think its their fault bacause the devil influenced them..
hell was not created for the soul purpose of adam sinnning, but God knew that sin was a very real thing, and he had to have a place for sinners to go if they chose not to listen to God.


god did not punish adam with anything, the devil did. you see the devil had no power over adam or eve, until they gave into the temptations produced by the devil. once they did that, they opened to door for satan to enter the earth. it all goes back to the free-will. and he did not know that adam would sin. God commanded adam and eve not to eat off the tree, but due to their free will, they did, and thus brougt upon themselves the first sin. sin is basically disobeying God, and doing what He has said not to do.

[Leones]

Originally posted by .vicious.cycle.of.life.+Mar 3 2005, 11:52 PM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (.vicious.cycle.of.life. @ Mar 3 2005, 11:52 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> <!--QuoteBegin--Leones@Mar 3 2005, 04:43 PM
So God only makes it difficult for himself and for humans..
when adam sinned, god punished him with death and deseases ... I&#39;m not sure about hell. And if he made hell because adam sinned, I still think that&#39;s harsh..and well, sounds like.. That god made humans but it went wrong, as he already knew .. but he still made man so it was supposed to go wrong, so he could punish man with death, deaseases and hell, but he promised one sulution, by sending his son to earth, let him suffer for man, so man can go to heaven IF they listen and do what god says, if not, you&#39;re ending up in hell.
So he knew all along man would get punished, and he would send his son to be the &#39;savior&#39;. seems very planned. People would see him as the mercyfull one while he let it go wrong from the start. And people would think its their fault bacause the devil influenced them..
hell was not created for the soul purpose of adam sinnning, but God knew that sin was a very real thing, and he had to have a place for sinners to go if they chose not to listen to God.


god did not punish adam with anything, the devil did. you see the devil had no power over adam or eve, until they gave into the temptations produced by the devil. once they did that, they opened to door for satan to enter the earth. it all goes back to the free-will. and he did not know that adam would sin. God commanded adam and eve not to eat off the tree, but due to their free will, they did, and thus brougt upon themselves the first sin. sin is basically disobeying God, and doing what He has said not to do. [/b][/quote]
ok, I forgot about that. Now it makes some more sense. Still God made a little mistake having the devil as one of his angels though :P
hmm, now I&#39;m wondering, what if adam and eve didn&#39;t eat the fruit? what if man never disobeyed god? .. How did he wanted to manage the population of man? ok, you can make it a minimum, but still...way too much for this world..maybe..a growing earth or something?
Anyway&#39;s I stop with this, cos first of all I am not religious and second, my thoughts are going way too far.. I don&#39;t think any sense will come out now. Beyond being able to make answers out of so knowing &#39;facts&#39;.

[RX8LP]

Originally posted by Leones@Mar 3 2005, 04:33 PM
Why did God create hell in first place? and if the devil created it, why did God let him?

I don&#39;t wish my enemies ... no wait .. I don&#39;t wish the people, who don&#39;t believe in me or have different opinions than me, to burn forever in hell.

If God is so powerful, and he can beat the devil, why doesn&#39;t he do it now? he lets everyone wait and suffer for nothing. does he enjoy it?

maybe I go a bit far but I really think this whole God and devil thing is a by mankind started puzzle, and everyone who contributed to this belief made (and still makes) a puzzlepiece, placed them all together and tried/s to make it work. And they say &#39;See, this puzzle fits perfectly&#39; &#39;This is the thruth, our belief&#39;
If there is a good guy (God) there has to be a bad guy (devil).
If there is a good place (heaven) there has to be a bad place (hell).

Its just the way things are. Everything is balanced.
The world is far from being the perfect place. If the world was perfect then it just wouldnt make sense. It be like the movie "The Truman Show" lol

[x3r09]

To whom it may concern:


For everyone that hates and/or disregards the Bible and Christ, I swear to you that you will be undescribably remorseful of your facetious attitude and your disgusting mockery of it. One day you will stand before a Holy and Divine Being, and i hope you remember what I said, and most importantly;and what you did say to the Christians you stepped on and how you gloried in this grave error.

[Chris Luke]

What is that supposed to mean? I&#39;m going to fell guilty for not beliving in Chrstianity later on in my life. If that&#39;s the case, then I would like to say I will never fell guilty for not being a Christian and/or Catholic since I find there ways of belief really, really confusing and amazingly hypocritical.

[F-ck Casey]

Originally posted by x3r09@Mar 3 2005, 05:38 PM
To whom it may concern:


For everyone that hates and/or disregards the Bible and Christ, I swear to you that you will be undescribably remorseful of your facetious attitude and your disgusting mockery of it. One day you will stand before a Holy and Divine Being, and i hope you remember what I said, and most importantly;and what you did say to the Christians you stepped on and how you gloried in this grave error.
I guess Christians stepping on me is perfectly acceptable though, because I&#39;m a "sinner", right?

Fuck that shit man, I endulge in the Seven Deadly Sins because it&#39;s my right as a human being. It&#39;s also my right as a Satanist, but hey, that&#39;s not the point. ^_^

Religion War on LPA #546456

[User Name]

Originally posted by Casey@Mar 3 2005, 04:45 PM
Religion War on LPA #546456
:lol:

In any case, I didn&#39;t intend for my posts to turn this thread into another religion discussion, so how about we get back on topic?

[RX8LP]

Originally posted by Casey@Mar 3 2005, 11:45 PM


Fuck that shit man, I endulge in the Seven Deadly Sins because it&#39;s my right as a human being. It&#39;s also my right as a Satanist, but hey, that&#39;s not the point. ^_^
Its not a right as a human being to indulge in the seven deadly sins.

If you choose to then thats your choice. Cant nobody change that except you.

[F-ck Casey]

Says your religion maybe.

[Jon[athan]]

Originally posted by fdmfkjd@Mar 3 2005, 06:42 PM
What is that supposed to mean? I&#39;m going to fell guilty for not beliving in Chrstianity later on in my life. If that&#39;s the case, then I would like to say I will never fell guilty for not being a Christian and/or Catholic since I find there ways of belief really, really confusing and amazingly hypocritical.
no he is talking about the Judgement after death, that ALL of us will have to endure. everyone of us will be judged according to what we did to glorify God, and all of our sins. But christians will still go to heaven and non-believers to hell. it doesnt matter how many good things you do in your life.


I guess Christians stepping on me is perfectly acceptable though, because I&#39;m a "sinner", right?

@ casey: all of us are sinners, christians are not perfect, nor will we ever be, until we die.

[Chris Luke]

Originally posted by .vicious.cycle.of.life.+Mar 3 2005, 08:27 PM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (.vicious.cycle.of.life. @ Mar 3 2005, 08:27 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> <!--QuoteBegin--fdmfkjd@Mar 3 2005, 06:42 PM
What is that supposed to mean? I&#39;m going to fell guilty for not beliving in Chrstianity later on in my life. If that&#39;s the case, then I would like to say I will never fell guilty for not being a Christian and/or Catholic since I find there ways of belief really, really confusing and amazingly hypocritical.
no he is talking about the Judgement after death, that ALL of us will have to endure. everyone of us will be judged according to what we did to glorify God, and all of our sins. But christians will still go to heaven and non-believers to hell. it doesnt matter how many good things you do in your life. [/b][/quote]
Well, judgement after death is against my belifs. Since I do not belive there is a heaven or a God, I will not worry about felling guilty later on in life. And no, I do not plan on changing my beliefs.

[Glenn]

Originally posted by .vicious.cycle.of.life.+Mar 2 2005, 05:38 PM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (.vicious.cycle.of.life. @ Mar 2 2005, 05:38 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'>
Originally posted by -Leones@Mar 2 2005, 11:36 AM

Originally posted by -Cameron@Mar 2 2005, 06:18 PM

Originally posted by -SaxopianoGRD@Mar 1 2005, 06:35 PM
<!--QuoteBegin--fdmfkjd@Mar 1 2005, 06:02 PM
Hell, Homosexual and Bisexual people can do what ever they want. It dosn&#39;t effect me. I just don&#39;t see why Bush and many other catholics think being a Homosexual is like a sin.
Many Christians think that sex should only be used to produce children, and since homosexual sex doesn&#39;t produce children, they are against it.
Are you kidding me Sax? The Bible is very clear in that sex was created not just for procreation, but for pleasure as well.

In a nutshell, here&#39;s what a majority of modern day Christians think in regards to homosexuality:

It goes against the natural order of things. Someone should meet and marry another of the opposite sex, not one of the same sex.
It is made very clear in both the Old and New Testament that God is against homosexuality, which is regarded as a sexual sin.
Using the two points above, this leads us to the idea that most Christians today regard homosexuals as abominations.


Here&#39;s what I think:

(This opinion was formed through my interpretation of the Bible. I would put down references from the book itself, but I don&#39;t have one handy)

I don&#39;t believe that homosexuality is caused by chemical imbalances or through choice. I don&#39;t care if you call me crazy, but I think that one becomes homosexual through influence in the spiritual realm; from the devil himself, more specifically. It&#39;s said that he has powers like God, so it&#39;s quite possible that he can also influence someone&#39;s sexual orientation. This probably won&#39;t make sense to any of you at all, and I don&#39;t expect it to. Anyways, the reason why I believe it&#39;s through spiritual influence is because in Genesis, it was said that it was very peaceful, until Satan decieved Adam and Eve into eating the fruit of the forbidden tree. Also in Revelation, it&#39;s said during God&#39;s reign on earth that a lion and a lamb will be able to sit beside each other without the lion wanting to eat the lamb. This led me to the conclusion that animals attack each other because of influence from Satan. If that were true, wouldn&#39;t it also be possible that men would seek a physical relationship with each other for that very same reason?

Okay, I guess that&#39;s enough from me. I&#39;m not trying to preach to you, or pass this off as truth: This is simply what I believe. You are entitled to disagree with it just as much as I am entitled to disagree with yours.
That&#39;s sad. I understand completely what you say. I grew up with it. I just said this one week ago to a classmate. What bothers me about alot of christians is that the things they disagree to are placed under the label &#39;influenced by the devil&#39;. It&#39;s really easy to talk your thoughts right isn&#39;t it?
And a second. It&#39;s true that there are christians who believe sex is for production only. They&#39;re against protection aswell because, they say, if you get a baby, it was the will of God, your creator.
But that doesn&#39;t really have to do with this topic.
no most christians are against protection because we believe that sex should be saved for with in the bounds of marriage, and not before it. so thus you shouldnt need protection if ppl would just wait till marriage.

and at Cameron. i think you pretty much coverd it all...and to just back you up. i met a guy who was once a gay, before he came to know the Lord. after he did he realized that it was wrong and converted, and now has a wife and 2 kids. now tell me...can that honestly be a chemical inbalance? [/b][/quote]
What if two people are married, they want to continue their sex life, and don&#39;t want to have kids.

[Jon[athan]]

What if two people are married, they want to continue their sex life, and don&#39;t want to have kids.

what im trying to say is that some christians dont want protection because protection is MAINLY used to prevent pregnancies for teenagers that are sexually active. these christians feel strongly against protection becuase it is MAINLY used in this way, and christians are agianst sex outside of marriage. i do not know how they feel about protection being used inside the bounds of marriage... i would assume they wouldnt care because the sex would be through marriage.

[Glenn]

Originally posted by .vicious.cycle.of.life.@Mar 3 2005, 09:53 PM

What if two people are married, they want to continue their sex life, and don&#39;t want to have kids.

what im trying to say is that some christians dont want protection because protection is MAINLY used to prevent pregnancies for teenagers that are sexually active. these christians feel strongly against protection becuase it is MAINLY used in this way, and christians are agianst sex outside of marriage. i do not know how they feel about protection being used inside the bounds of marriage... i would assume they wouldnt care because the sex would be through marriage.
Ok. I understand.

[Mark]

Originally posted by x3r09@Mar 3 2005, 08:08 PM
To whom it may concern:


For everyone that hates and/or disregards the Bible and Christ, I swear to you that you will be undescribably remorseful of your facetious attitude and your disgusting mockery of it. One day you will stand before a Holy and Divine Being, and i hope you remember what I said, and most importantly;and what you did say to the Christians you stepped on and how you gloried in this grave error.
Congrats, you just enforced a Christian stereotype. I salute you.

...oh. You don&#39;t know which one? It&#39;s that stereotype where they force their beliefs on others with an I&#39;m-right-you&#39;re-wrong attitude.

[Todd]

Originally posted by x3r09@Mar 3 2005, 05:38 PM
To whom it may concern:


For everyone that hates and/or disregards the Bible and Christ, I swear to you that you will be undescribably remorseful of your facetious attitude and your disgusting mockery of it. One day you will stand before a Holy and Divine Being, and i hope you remember what I said, and most importantly;and what you did say to the Christians you stepped on and how you gloried in this grave error.
And Christians wonder why they&#39;re the most hated religion among athiests :rolleyes:

[Jon[athan]]

Originally posted by Mark+Mar 3 2005, 10:31 PM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (Mark @ Mar 3 2005, 10:31 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> <!--QuoteBegin--x3r09@Mar 3 2005, 08:08 PM
To whom it may concern:


For everyone that hates and/or disregards the Bible and Christ, I swear to you that you will be undescribably remorseful of your facetious attitude and your disgusting mockery of it. One day you will stand before a Holy and Divine Being, and i hope you remember what I said, and most importantly;and what you did say to the Christians you stepped on and how you gloried in this grave error.
Congrats, you just enforced a Christian stereotype. I salute you.

...oh. You don&#39;t know which one? It&#39;s that stereotype where they force their beliefs on others with an I&#39;m-right-you&#39;re-wrong attitude. [/b][/quote]
hey...at least we dont kill you if you dont convert.

[Mark]

Originally posted by .vicious.cycle.of.life.+Mar 4 2005, 12:04 AM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (.vicious.cycle.of.life. @ Mar 4 2005, 12:04 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'>
Originally posted by -Mark@Mar 3 2005, 10:31 PM
<!--QuoteBegin--x3r09@Mar 3 2005, 08:08 PM
To whom it may concern:


For everyone that hates and/or disregards the Bible and Christ, I swear to you that you will be undescribably remorseful of your facetious attitude and your disgusting mockery of it. One day you will stand before a Holy and Divine Being, and i hope you remember what I said, and most importantly;and what you did say to the Christians you stepped on and how you gloried in this grave error.
Congrats, you just enforced a Christian stereotype. I salute you.

...oh. You don&#39;t know which one? It&#39;s that stereotype where they force their beliefs on others with an I&#39;m-right-you&#39;re-wrong attitude.
hey...at least we dont kill you if you dont convert. [/b][/quote]
What are you insinuating?

[Jon[athan]]

Originally posted by Mark+Mar 3 2005, 10:42 PM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (Mark @ Mar 3 2005, 10:42 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'>
Originally posted by -.vicious.cycle.of.life.@Mar 4 2005, 12:04 AM

Originally posted by -Mark@Mar 3 2005, 10:31 PM
<!--QuoteBegin--x3r09@Mar 3 2005, 08:08 PM
To whom it may concern:


For everyone that hates and/or disregards the Bible and Christ, I swear to you that you will be undescribably remorseful of your facetious attitude and your disgusting mockery of it. One day you will stand before a Holy and Divine Being, and i hope you remember what I said, and most importantly;and what you did say to the Christians you stepped on and how you gloried in this grave error.
Congrats, you just enforced a Christian stereotype. I salute you.

...oh. You don&#39;t know which one? It&#39;s that stereotype where they force their beliefs on others with an I&#39;m-right-you&#39;re-wrong attitude.
hey...at least we dont kill you if you dont convert.
What are you insinuating? [/b][/quote]
that in other religions the followers used to kill people if they refused to convert. christians dont.

[Chris Luke]

And what religon does that? I think you are talking about Nazi&#39;s.

[Todd]

Originally posted by .vicious.cycle.of.life.+Mar 3 2005, 09:47 PM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (.vicious.cycle.of.life. @ Mar 3 2005, 09:47 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'>
Originally posted by -Mark@Mar 3 2005, 10:42 PM

Originally posted by -.vicious.cycle.of.life.@Mar 4 2005, 12:04 AM

Originally posted by -Mark@Mar 3 2005, 10:31 PM
<!--QuoteBegin--x3r09@Mar 3 2005, 08:08 PM
To whom it may concern:


For everyone that hates and/or disregards the Bible and Christ, I swear to you that you will be undescribably remorseful of your facetious attitude and your disgusting mockery of it. One day you will stand before a Holy and Divine Being, and i hope you remember what I said, and most importantly;and what you did say to the Christians you stepped on and how you gloried in this grave error.
Congrats, you just enforced a Christian stereotype. I salute you.

...oh. You don&#39;t know which one? It&#39;s that stereotype where they force their beliefs on others with an I&#39;m-right-you&#39;re-wrong attitude.
hey...at least we dont kill you if you dont convert.
What are you insinuating?
that in other religions the followers used to kill people if they refused to convert. christians dont. [/b][/quote]
One word: Crusades

[Jon[athan]]

Originally posted by fdmfkjd@Mar 3 2005, 10:48 PM
And what religon does that? I think you are talking about Nazi&#39;s.
that in other religions the followers used to kill people if they refused to convert. christians dont.

muslims used to target non-christians and christians alike in attempts to convert them to their religion. and if christians or non-christians refused they ran a risk of being killed.

and nazis killed jews just because they were jews, they had no remorse.

[Todd]

Originally posted by .vicious.cycle.of.life.+Mar 3 2005, 09:53 PM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (.vicious.cycle.of.life. @ Mar 3 2005, 09:53 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> <!--QuoteBegin--fdmfkjd@Mar 3 2005, 10:48 PM
And what religon does that? I think you are talking about Nazi&#39;s.
that in other religions the followers used to kill people if they refused to convert. christians dont.

muslims used to target non-christians and christians alike in attempts to convert them to their religion. and if christians or non-christians refused they ran a risk of being killed.

and nazis killed jews just because they were jews, they had no remorse. [/b][/quote]
Did you completley disregard my post about the Crusades?



Oh, and how about pro-life Christains who bomb abortion clinics? The abortion doctors refuse to follow their pro-life beliefs, so they get killed.

[bongmaster]

Originally posted by Todd+Mar 4 2005, 04:50 AM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (Todd @ Mar 4 2005, 04:50 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'>
Originally posted by -.vicious.cycle.of.life.@Mar 3 2005, 09:53 PM
<!--QuoteBegin--fdmfkjd@Mar 3 2005, 10:48 PM
And what religon does that? I think you are talking about Nazi&#39;s.
that in other religions the followers used to kill people if they refused to convert. christians dont.

muslims used to target non-christians and christians alike in attempts to convert them to their religion. and if christians or non-christians refused they ran a risk of being killed.

and nazis killed jews just because they were jews, they had no remorse.
Did you completley disregard my post about the Crusades?



Oh, and how about pro-life Christains who bomb abortion clinics? The abortion doctors refuse to follow their pro-life beliefs, so they get killed. [/b][/quote]
ah, working the christian stereotype again, huh? those people are radicals, do you think all pro-life christians bomb abortion clinics? and the crusades... its different when a corrupt leader sends you to battle, and when your doctrine sends you.

[Todd]

Originally posted by bongmaster+Mar 3 2005, 10:56 PM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (bongmaster @ Mar 3 2005, 10:56 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'>
Originally posted by -Todd@Mar 4 2005, 04:50 AM

Originally posted by -.vicious.cycle.of.life.@Mar 3 2005, 09:53 PM
<!--QuoteBegin--fdmfkjd@Mar 3 2005, 10:48 PM
And what religon does that? I think you are talking about Nazi&#39;s.
that in other religions the followers used to kill people if they refused to convert. christians dont.

muslims used to target non-christians and christians alike in attempts to convert them to their religion. and if christians or non-christians refused they ran a risk of being killed.

and nazis killed jews just because they were jews, they had no remorse.
Did you completley disregard my post about the Crusades?



Oh, and how about pro-life Christains who bomb abortion clinics? The abortion doctors refuse to follow their pro-life beliefs, so they get killed.
ah, working the christian stereotype again, huh? those people are radicals, do you think all pro-life christians bomb abortion clinics? and the crusades... its different when a corrupt leader sends you to battle, and when your doctrine sends you. [/b][/quote]
Making excuses, eh? Its horrible when other religions kill Christains because they refuse to convert, but when Christains do the same to others, its just a corrupt leader, not the fault of the entire religion :rolleyes:

[bongmaster]

Originally posted by Todd+Mar 4 2005, 05:00 AM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (Todd @ Mar 4 2005, 05:00 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'>
Originally posted by -bongmaster@Mar 3 2005, 10:56 PM

Originally posted by -Todd@Mar 4 2005, 04:50 AM

Originally posted by -.vicious.cycle.of.life.@Mar 3 2005, 09:53 PM
<!--QuoteBegin--fdmfkjd@Mar 3 2005, 10:48 PM
And what religon does that? I think you are talking about Nazi&#39;s.
that in other religions the followers used to kill people if they refused to convert. christians dont.

muslims used to target non-christians and christians alike in attempts to convert them to their religion. and if christians or non-christians refused they ran a risk of being killed.

and nazis killed jews just because they were jews, they had no remorse.
Did you completley disregard my post about the Crusades?



Oh, and how about pro-life Christains who bomb abortion clinics? The abortion doctors refuse to follow their pro-life beliefs, so they get killed.
ah, working the christian stereotype again, huh? those people are radicals, do you think all pro-life christians bomb abortion clinics? and the crusades... its different when a corrupt leader sends you to battle, and when your doctrine sends you.
Making excuses, eh? Its horrible when other religions kill Christains because they refuse to convert, but when Christains do the same to others, its just a corrupt leader, not the fault of the entire religion :rolleyes: [/b][/quote]
"Fight against such as those who have been given the Scripture and believe not in Allah" Surah 9:29

is there anything like that in the Bible?

[Todd]

Originally posted by bongmaster+Mar 3 2005, 11:03 PM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (bongmaster @ Mar 3 2005, 11:03 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'>
Originally posted by -Todd@Mar 4 2005, 05:00 AM

Originally posted by -bongmaster@Mar 3 2005, 10:56 PM

Originally posted by -Todd@Mar 4 2005, 04:50 AM

Originally posted by -.vicious.cycle.of.life.@Mar 3 2005, 09:53 PM
<!--QuoteBegin--fdmfkjd@Mar 3 2005, 10:48 PM
And what religon does that? I think you are talking about Nazi&#39;s.
that in other religions the followers used to kill people if they refused to convert. christians dont.

muslims used to target non-christians and christians alike in attempts to convert them to their religion. and if christians or non-christians refused they ran a risk of being killed.

and nazis killed jews just because they were jews, they had no remorse.
Did you completley disregard my post about the Crusades?



Oh, and how about pro-life Christains who bomb abortion clinics? The abortion doctors refuse to follow their pro-life beliefs, so they get killed.
ah, working the christian stereotype again, huh? those people are radicals, do you think all pro-life christians bomb abortion clinics? and the crusades... its different when a corrupt leader sends you to battle, and when your doctrine sends you.
Making excuses, eh? Its horrible when other religions kill Christains because they refuse to convert, but when Christains do the same to others, its just a corrupt leader, not the fault of the entire religion :rolleyes:
"Fight against such as those who have been given the Scripture and believe not in Allah" Surah 9:29

is there anything like that in the Bible? [/b][/quote]
Dunno, couldn&#39;t tell you. If I wanted to read a book filled with contradictions and lies, I think Bill O&#39;Reilly wrote a book. Might be a bit more entertaining

[bongmaster]

Originally posted by Todd+Mar 4 2005, 05:05 AM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (Todd @ Mar 4 2005, 05:05 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'>
Originally posted by -bongmaster@Mar 3 2005, 11:03 PM

Originally posted by -Todd@Mar 4 2005, 05:00 AM

Originally posted by -bongmaster@Mar 3 2005, 10:56 PM

Originally posted by -Todd@Mar 4 2005, 04:50 AM

Originally posted by -.vicious.cycle.of.life.@Mar 3 2005, 09:53 PM
<!--QuoteBegin--fdmfkjd@Mar 3 2005, 10:48 PM
And what religon does that? I think you are talking about Nazi&#39;s.
that in other religions the followers used to kill people if they refused to convert. christians dont.

muslims used to target non-christians and christians alike in attempts to convert them to their religion. and if christians or non-christians refused they ran a risk of being killed.

and nazis killed jews just because they were jews, they had no remorse.
Did you completley disregard my post about the Crusades?



Oh, and how about pro-life Christains who bomb abortion clinics? The abortion doctors refuse to follow their pro-life beliefs, so they get killed.
ah, working the christian stereotype again, huh? those people are radicals, do you think all pro-life christians bomb abortion clinics? and the crusades... its different when a corrupt leader sends you to battle, and when your doctrine sends you.
Making excuses, eh? Its horrible when other religions kill Christains because they refuse to convert, but when Christains do the same to others, its just a corrupt leader, not the fault of the entire religion :rolleyes:
"Fight against such as those who have been given the Scripture and believe not in Allah" Surah 9:29

is there anything like that in the Bible?
Dunno, couldn&#39;t tell you. If I wanted to read a book filled with contradictions and lies, I think Bill O&#39;Reilly wrote a book. Might be a bit more entertaining [/b][/quote]
then I cant help you, and I advise you NOT to talk about what you don&#39;t understand.

[Todd]

Originally posted by bongmaster+Mar 3 2005, 11:07 PM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (bongmaster @ Mar 3 2005, 11:07 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'>
Originally posted by -Todd@Mar 4 2005, 05:05 AM

Originally posted by -bongmaster@Mar 3 2005, 11:03 PM

Originally posted by -Todd@Mar 4 2005, 05:00 AM

Originally posted by -bongmaster@Mar 3 2005, 10:56 PM

Originally posted by -Todd@Mar 4 2005, 04:50 AM

Originally posted by -.vicious.cycle.of.life.@Mar 3 2005, 09:53 PM
<!--QuoteBegin--fdmfkjd@Mar 3 2005, 10:48 PM
And what religon does that? I think you are talking about Nazi&#39;s.
that in other religions the followers used to kill people if they refused to convert. christians dont.

muslims used to target non-christians and christians alike in attempts to convert them to their religion. and if christians or non-christians refused they ran a risk of being killed.

and nazis killed jews just because they were jews, they had no remorse.
Did you completley disregard my post about the Crusades?



Oh, and how about pro-life Christains who bomb abortion clinics? The abortion doctors refuse to follow their pro-life beliefs, so they get killed.
ah, working the christian stereotype again, huh? those people are radicals, do you think all pro-life christians bomb abortion clinics? and the crusades... its different when a corrupt leader sends you to battle, and when your doctrine sends you.
Making excuses, eh? Its horrible when other religions kill Christains because they refuse to convert, but when Christains do the same to others, its just a corrupt leader, not the fault of the entire religion :rolleyes:
"Fight against such as those who have been given the Scripture and believe not in Allah" Surah 9:29

is there anything like that in the Bible?
Dunno, couldn&#39;t tell you. If I wanted to read a book filled with contradictions and lies, I think Bill O&#39;Reilly wrote a book. Might be a bit more entertaining
then I cant help you, and I advise you NOT to talk about what you don&#39;t understand. [/b][/quote]
I never asked for your help, thanks though.


Oh, and please don&#39;t say I don&#39;t understand it. You don&#39;t seem to understand that Christains are just as guilty as other religions when it comes to murdering nonbelievers

[Jila]

Originally posted by Todd+Mar 3 2005, 08:50 PM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (Todd @ Mar 3 2005, 08:50 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'>
Originally posted by -.vicious.cycle.of.life.@Mar 3 2005, 09:47 PM

Originally posted by -Mark@Mar 3 2005, 10:42 PM

Originally posted by -.vicious.cycle.of.life.@Mar 4 2005, 12:04 AM

Originally posted by -Mark@Mar 3 2005, 10:31 PM
<!--QuoteBegin--x3r09@Mar 3 2005, 08:08 PM
To whom it may concern:


For everyone that hates and/or disregards the Bible and Christ, I swear to you that you will be undescribably remorseful of your facetious attitude and your disgusting mockery of it. One day you will stand before a Holy and Divine Being, and i hope you remember what I said, and most importantly;and what you did say to the Christians you stepped on and how you gloried in this grave error.
Congrats, you just enforced a Christian stereotype. I salute you.

...oh. You don&#39;t know which one? It&#39;s that stereotype where they force their beliefs on others with an I&#39;m-right-you&#39;re-wrong attitude.
hey...at least we dont kill you if you dont convert.
What are you insinuating?
that in other religions the followers used to kill people if they refused to convert. christians dont.
One word: Crusades [/b][/quote]
i was thinking the exact same thing.

[User Name]

Once again, I would like to remind all of you that this is not a thread about religion. Now get back on topic, you bunch of lilypickers.

[DruSilla]

Originally posted by HybridMinoda+Mar 2 2005, 05:36 AM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (HybridMinoda @ Mar 2 2005, 05:36 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> Mark, I&#39;m all for homosexuality, but may I correct you by saying that you do have a choice. You have a choice for everything you do. You can choose to be homosexual. You can completely choose your feelings. You choose to make yourself happy, you choose to make yourself angry, sad, etc. The same goes for homosexuality. If you want to like a member of the same sex, you&#39;re going to find a way to do it, and same for the latter.* ;) [/b]

no offence really, but how great would life be if it was that simple.??? if it was that black and white??? if everybody really would have the power to choose their feelings we all could live happily ever after.
i just don&#39;t think that&#39;s how life goes. Sometimes you just don&#39;t have the power to control your feelings. if so why would i choose willingly to be sad or angry even if i know that these feelings hurt or are upsetting??? so what i am doing wrong when i feel sad or angry or whatsoever although i would have the power to control my feelings and i don&#39;t like being sad or angry???

<!--QuoteBegin--Leones@Mar 2 2005, 08:56 AM

Another thing. Why do some people feel and say being hetero is normal and being gay or bi is less normal or even wrong? Being gay or being bi just as normal as being hetero. Because there are more straight people doesn&#39;t mean being straight is the best way to go.[/quote]

it&#39;s the majority who decides what is wrong or right. it&#39;s the majority who decides what is normal or not normal. If the majority is straight than that&#39;s normal. and everybody that&#39;s not straight (and doesnt belong to the majority) is not normal. it&#39;S sad and frustrating if you ask me, but that&#39;s how it is.
ppl say everybody is equal but at the same time a lot of these ppl treat gay or lesbians a lil less equal. that&#39;s simply being hypocrite. so straight ppl are more equal cos they love a person of the other gender? i don&#39;t think so&#33;&#33;&#33;&#33;there simply isnt sth like more or less equal&#33;&#33;&#33;
gay or lesbian ppl are as normal and equal as straight people and they should be treated like the normal ppl they are&#33;&#33;&#33;
if you ask me, i don&#39;t think that you can control or influence if youre heterosexual or homosexual.u just simply are like one or the other. i happen to be straight, but i didnt decided it for myself. and i think that you should never ever define or judge a person (you know who somebody is...sorry, i dunno the right english term for that&#33;) by if that person is straight or gay/lesbian. i dont care if the person next to me loves somebody from the same gender&#33; if they are happy and in love i&#39;m more than fine with it&#33;&#33;&#33;
plus i dont think that you fall in love with somebodys gender. you fall in love with a person. at least that&#39;s what happens to me.
and who am i to judge if loving somebody from the same gender is wrong and not normal??who am i to tell ppl how they should feel and whom they should fall in love with???



(edited it cos of typing mistakes. :blush: )

[Leones]

it&#39;s the majority who decides what is wrong or right. it&#39;s the majority who decides what is normal or not normal. If the majority is straight than that&#39;s normal. and everybody that&#39;s not straight (and doesnt belong to the majority) is not normal. it&#39;S sad and frustrating if you ask me, but that&#39;s how it is.

yeah and that&#39;s what&#39;s sad, People shouldn&#39;t decide what&#39;s normal and what&#39;s not though I guess it is the best way cos it&#39;s the best we can get. If only people were more open minded and loyal, more people would be considered as being &#39;normal&#39;.
I consider myself as normal..
So I support the people who are open, and accept and value someone else for who he or she is.

[Mark]

Originally posted by Cameron@Mar 4 2005, 04:15 AM
Once again, I would like to remind all of you that this is not a thread about religion. Now get back on topic, you bunch of lilypickers.
Yes. But sadly religious beliefs are often tied into opinions about homosexuality so it&#39;s kinda hard to avoid, you know?

[User Name]

I agree, Mark, but this thread went completely off-topic after i started explaining my beliefs (and consequently, after Todd started bitching).

[Link04]

Making excuses, eh? Its horrible when other religions kill Christains because they refuse to convert, but when Christains do the same to others, its just a corrupt leader, not the fault of the entire religion :rolleyes:
Making excuses? It&#39;s a pretty valid excuse in my opinion. You can&#39;t accurately judge the morals or hypocrisy of an entire religion, especially as big a one as Christianity, based on the actions of a drastic minority of radicals/fundamentalists. That&#39;s the very same logic and rationale that claims that all Muslims are terrorists.


@ casey: all of us are sinners, christians are not perfect, nor will we ever be, until we die.

All of us are sinners? By who&#39;s standard? By who&#39;s judgement? God&#39;s? I think not. I live by my own values, and hold my own moral code. I do not follow another entities&#39;. According to my standards and my values, I&#39;m not a sinner, and I refuse to let anyone or anything else tell me that I am. Only when I betray MY values and MY moral code do I sin. You&#39;ll be perfect when you die? You&#39;ll be perfectly dead. I choose to cherish this world. I don&#39;t wish to segregate my body and spirit.