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Chris Luke
01-24-2005, 06:55 PM
LONDON, England (AP) -- Global warming is approaching the critical point of no return, after which widespread drought, crop failure and rising sea-levels would be irreversible, an international climate change task force warned Monday.

The report, "Meeting the Climate Challenge," called on the G-8 leading industrial nations to cut carbon emissions, double their research spending on green technology and work with India and China to build on the Kyoto Protocol.

"An ecological time-bomb is ticking away," said Stephen Byers, who co-chaired the task force with U.S. Republican Senator Olympia Snowe, and is a close confidant of British Prime Minister Tony Blair. "World leaders need to recognize that climate change is the single most important long term issue that the planet faces."

The independent report, by the Institute for Public Policy Research in Britain, the Center for American Progress in the United States and The Australia Institute, is timed to coincide with Blair's commitment to advance international climate change policy during Britain's G-8 presidency.

Byers said it was vital Blair secured U.S. cooperation in tackling climate change. U.S. President George W. Bush has rejected the Kyoto accord, arguing that the carbon emission cuts it demands would damage the U.S. economy.

"What we have got to do then is get the Americans as part of the G-8 to engage in international concerted effort to tackle global warming," said Byers. "If they refuse to do that then other countries will be reluctant to take any steps."

According to the report, urgent action is needed to stop the global average temperature rising by 2 degrees Celsius above the level in 1750 -- the approximate start of the Industrial Revolution when mankind first started significantly polluting the atmosphere with carbon dioxide.

Beyond a 2 degrees rise, "the risks to human societies and ecosystems grow significantly" the report said, adding there would be a risk of "abrupt, accelerated, or runaway climate change."

It warned of "climatic tipping points" such as the Greenland and West Antarctic ice sheets melting and the Gulf Stream shutting down.

No accurate temperature readings were available for 1750, the report said, but since 1860, global average temperature had risen by 0.8 percent to 15 degrees Celsius.

The two degrees rise could be avoided by keeping the concentration of carbon dioxide in the atmosphere below 400 parts per million (ppm). Current concentrations of 379 ppm "are likely to rise above 400 ppm in coming decades and could rise far higher under a business-as-usual scenario," the report warned.

The task force urges all G-8 countries to agree to generate a quarter of their electricity from renewable sources by 2025 and to shift agricultural subsidies from food crops to biofuels.

The report recommends wider international use of emission trading schemes which are already in use in the European Union, under which unused carbon dioxide quotas are sold. The profit motive is expected to drive investment in new technology to cut emissions further.

The task force of senior politicians, scientists and business figures was established in March 2004. Its chief scientific adviser is Dr. Rajendra K. Pachauri, chairman of the U.N.'s Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change.

The British government welcomed the report, which mirrors many of the suggestions already floated by Blair in the build up to Britain's G-8 presidency.

Blair has acknowledged the importance of U.S. cooperation, but conceded Washington is unlikely to sign up to Kyoto. Instead he is pursuing international commitment to developing new environmentally friendly technology.
Source (http://www.cnn.com/2005/TECH/science/01/24/climate.change.ap/index.html).

Izezopn
01-24-2005, 07:41 PM
This would've been helpful when I did a report on the subject a couple weeks ago.

Leslie
01-24-2005, 07:46 PM
FUCK.

This is exactly what one of my professors was talking about in class last semester. There's no way to make things better, and people (read: Americans) won't do shit cause they love their mass consumerism, big cars, etc.

Well kids, it's time for a change in climate. Get ready.

Will
01-24-2005, 07:49 PM
Sweet. That means we all have to go to Mexico.

Leslie
01-24-2005, 07:50 PM
Originally posted by Will@Jan 24 2005, 01:07 PM
Sweet. That means we all have to go to Mexico.
:lol:

goso88
01-24-2005, 09:36 PM
THis is what we get :mellow:

Neil
01-24-2005, 09:47 PM
Canadians don't need to worry, it's always cold as hell up here anyway.

F-ck Casey
01-24-2005, 09:49 PM
I think it's fucking stupid that other countries won't join that just because the United States hasn't. I understand why they wouldn't, since more than a few countries see us a "World Power", but it's still pointless that they won't join because someone else hasn't.

Whatever, if we die, we die. That's really all there is to it. If we stop it, that's great. If we don't, I'm not going to sit here and fear for my life and piss and moan about something that we as a single human being have no control over. Yes, each person plays their own part, but that's not my point.

Oh well. Shit happens.

Whimsicality
01-24-2005, 10:15 PM
The thing about Global Warming though, is that while pollution likely contributes to it, there is no proof. The Earth's tempature fluctuates, and we haven't been recording tempatures long enough to know if this warming is a long-term trend, short term trend, something caused by us, or a combination of us and Nature.

So while on one hand, cutting down on pollution is a good way to go--we may only be contributing a little bit to a trend in nature, but maybe not. And that's a kind of important maybe. But the point is we don't know.

On the bright side of things though, Green energy (enviorment friendly energy) is booming--not a lot of stuff is on the market now, but the techology is developing.

My Mom writes about the energy industry, and knows shitloads about global warming, green energy et cetra, so if anyone has specific questions I'm sure she wouldn't mind me pestering her about it...actually, she'd probably love it, because it's not exactly the kind of topic your friends bring up over coffee :P

And yeah, I don't understand why other countries aren't signing if we aren't. Playground politics, I guess. Agree with the big kid who's got all the candy.

Theazninvasion68
01-24-2005, 11:02 PM
god damn....
i dont wanna die.
well if we wont sign
then hell with bush...
JUST SIGN THE PAPER/DOCUMENT/W/E
why do us americans LOVE BIG cars?

User Name
01-24-2005, 11:39 PM
Because America is a capitalistic consumer whore. ;) :lol:

Will
01-25-2005, 04:44 AM
Originally posted by maverik68@Jan 24 2005, 08:20 PM
why do us americans LOVE BIG cars?
Because they're a sign of economic stability within families.

That, and they get you girls...or so says the TV box.

Neil
01-25-2005, 12:16 PM
When is all this cold climate supposed to come, because to be totally honest, as long as this happens after I die, I don't really care what happens.

Whimsicality
01-25-2005, 03:41 PM
Originally posted by maverik68@Jan 24 2005, 08:20 PM
why do us americans LOVE BIG cars?
Maverick, I don't see anyone in our lifetime dying from this. Like I said in my previous post, we don't even know if this is something completely natural that will run it's course and then begin to cool down again, or something completely unnatural we caused with pollution.

And big cars seem to be "cool" at the moment. I know people who need big cars. My Dad has a van because he has something like 10 saddles with him at all times (he sells & repairs them). Why these hip 20somethings are buyin' their fancy Escalades left and right though, I do not know. The gas milage must be a killer.

Kate
01-25-2005, 04:18 PM
Originally posted by Whimsicality+Jan 25 2005, 10:59 AM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (Whimsicality @ Jan 25 2005, 10:59 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> <!--QuoteBegin--maverik68@Jan 24 2005, 08:20 PM
why do us americans LOVE BIG cars?
Maverick, I don&#39;t see anyone in our lifetime dying from this. Like I said in my previous post, we don&#39;t even know if this is something completely natural that will run it&#39;s course and then begin to cool down again, or something completely unnatural we caused with pollution.

And big cars seem to be "cool" at the moment. I know people who need big cars. My Dad has a van because he has something like 10 saddles with him at all times (he sells & repairs them). Why these hip 20somethings are buyin&#39; their fancy Escalades left and right though, I do not know. The gas milage must be a killer. [/b][/quote]
LOL. I just bought a car, and it&#39;s the smallest piece of crap you&#39;ve ever seen. But it gets over thirty miles to the gallon, so I&#39;m pleased. Some of us Americans drive itty-bitty cars (mine is a Geo Metro) because we don&#39;t like to spend more than we have to on gas. I guess we&#39;re the ones who belong in Canada or Europe.

Whimsicality
01-25-2005, 04:25 PM
Originally posted by fairladykate+Jan 25 2005, 01:36 PM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (fairladykate @ Jan 25 2005, 01:36 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'>
Originally posted by -Whimsicality@Jan 25 2005, 10:59 AM
<!--QuoteBegin--maverik68@Jan 24 2005, 08:20 PM
why do us americans LOVE BIG cars?
Maverick, I don&#39;t see anyone in our lifetime dying from this. Like I said in my previous post, we don&#39;t even know if this is something completely natural that will run it&#39;s course and then begin to cool down again, or something completely unnatural we caused with pollution.

And big cars seem to be "cool" at the moment. I know people who need big cars. My Dad has a van because he has something like 10 saddles with him at all times (he sells & repairs them). Why these hip 20somethings are buyin&#39; their fancy Escalades left and right though, I do not know. The gas milage must be a killer.
LOL. I just bought a car, and it&#39;s the smallest piece of crap you&#39;ve ever seen. But it gets over thirty miles to the gallon, so I&#39;m pleased. Some of us Americans drive itty-bitty cars (mine is a Geo Metro) because we don&#39;t like to spend more than we have to on gas. I guess we&#39;re the ones who belong in Canada or Europe. [/b][/quote]
Yeah I&#39;ll probably end up with somthing like that eventually. Actually, my Mother is paranoid about me in small cars, so I&#39;ll probably end up with something clunkier. :P

Odaton
01-27-2005, 03:24 PM
Originally posted by Neil@Jan 25 2005, 01:34 PM
When is all this cold climate supposed to come, because to be totally honest, as long as this happens after I die, I don&#39;t really care what happens.
Jeez, man&#33; I&#39;ve heard too many of your ignorant comments to keep quiet. First of all, Canada isn&#39;t always cold. The last few summers, the temperatures have been on the rise. Many days are over 30 degrees celcius (90F), which isn&#39;t too common in S. Ontario. But, this winter has given Canadians the most indication. In BC, there has been flooding; in the prairies, it changes from -30 celcius (-20F) temperatures to above freezing temperatures with rain. One week in Ontario, it rained for two days straight. A couple of days later, buses couldn&#39;t run because the tempertures were too cold (about minus -40 with the windchill).

I think there are many changes already. And you saying that you&#39;ll die before this happens&#33;

1. Nope you probably will be around unless your a senior, they predicting that major changes will start to take place in the next 25 years. And it won&#39;t be just &#39;cold climate&#39; or whatever, there will be some natural disasters and stuff.
2. Even if it does, don&#39;t you give a f*ck about your children or grandchildren? That kind of attitude is really wrong to me.

Sorry about my rant everyone, but Neil...in every kind of political/environment thread i&#39;ve seen you in, you been close-minded, ignorant, and selfish in your views. You should be thinking of how we can change ourselves, because this is a real problem that we have ignored for way too long.

Mark
01-28-2005, 12:05 PM
Originally posted by Whimsicality@Jan 24 2005, 08:03 PM
The thing about Global Warming though, is that while pollution likely contributes to it, there is no proof. The Earth&#39;s tempature fluctuates, and we haven&#39;t been recording tempatures long enough to know if this warming is a long-term trend, short term trend, something caused by us, or a combination of us and Nature.

Well, there is the part about chlorofleuracarbons (CFCs) burning more holes in the Ozone layer, which allows UV radiation in in higher amounts. Every year, these UV levels increase, and thus increase Earth&#39;s temperature. The size of the hole in the ozone layer over Australia is over the size of America.

Speaking of America, Bush is a greedy prick for not joining the protocol. So what if it causes economic loss? He&#39;s already pouring billions into unnecessary wars. Now he fucks over the entire northern hemisphere because he&#39;s too damn dependant on his oil revenue to give a crap about the environment.

CrazyBlueFairy
01-29-2005, 08:29 PM
well everyone dies sooner or later......i guess itll be sooner........OMG there goes california :(

SoniX
01-30-2005, 04:44 PM
Originally posted by Will@Jan 24 2005, 09:07 PM
Sweet. That means we all have to go to Mexico.
Haha

United States: "Hey can we come into your country? We&#39;re kinda fucked up here."
Mexico: "No way, you screwed us over too much and you screwed everyone else over too, go die..."
Canada: "Howsabout us?"
Mexico: "Yeah sure, come right in&#33;"