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Doctor Manhattan
11-23-2004, 05:01 PM
PLANO, Texas (AP) -- A woman with a history of postpartum depression cut the arms off her baby girl who later died, authorities said.

Dena Schlosser was sitting in her living room covered with blood when police arrived Monday. Her almost 11-month-old daughter lay fatally injured in a crib in a bedroom of the family's apartment in Plano. The child was pronounced dead shortly afterward at a nearby hospital.

Police have charged the 35-year-old mother with capital murder, but declined to reveal where she is being held.

Schlosser, who had a history of postpartum depression, had been investigated on child neglect allegations earlier this year, but Texas Child Protective Services had recently closed a seven-month investigation, concluding that Schlosser did not pose a risk to her children. Neighbors said she seemed to be a loving, attentive mother.

"There were never any indications of violence with this family," agency spokeswoman Marissa Gonzales said. "The children had always been healthy, happy and cared for."

But, on Monday, authorities discovered a grisly scene at the family's apartment after the child's father called a day-care center, and asked them to check on his wife and daughter.

Day-care workers called 911 after talking to the mother; an operator then called Schlosser.

Asked if there was an emergency, Schlosser calmly responded "Yes," according to 911 tapes released by police.

"Exactly what happened?" the 911 operator asked.

"I cut her arms off," Schlosser replied, as the hymn "He Touched Me" played in the background.

"You cut her arms off?" he repeated.

"Uh huh," she answered.

It was not immediately clear what instrument was used to sever the baby's arms or why the child's father called a day-care center to check on his family.

Schlosser lived at the apartment with other family members, including her two older daughters. Authorities said the girls, ages 6 and 9, were at school when police arrived, and that their father was at work.

No one answered the door Monday night at the family's apartment in suburban Dallas. Children's bicycles rested near the entrance along with angel garden statues.

Neighbors said Schlosser took her children swimming in the summer, had picnics in the courtyard and walked her baby around the complex the same time each afternoon.

Dena Livingston, 43, said she saw Schlosser making her rounds with the stroller on Sunday. Two days earlier, she saw Schlosser waiting with the baby outside the elementary school where her two other daughters attend.

"She didn't give off like she was in a distant world or didn't care about the baby," Livingston said.

Livingston's husband, Brad, added: "To see her with the girls, you would just think she was a great mother."

Child-protective officials were interviewing Schlosser's daughters and would talk to the father before deciding whether to remove the girls from the home.

In January, the agency was called to the home after Schlosser was seen running down the street, with one of her daughters bicycling after her, authorities said. When officials arrived, the child told them her mother had left her 6-day-old sister alone in the apartment.

Schlosser appeared at the time to be suffering from postpartum depression and having a psychotic episode, Gonzales said.

Schlosser was hospitalized, and later agreed to seek counseling and saw a psychiatrist, Gonzales said.

"At the time we closed the case, we had been assured that Mom was stabilized and that she was not a risk to herself or her children," Geoff Wool, spokesman for the Family and Protective Services Department, said.

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Friskey™
11-23-2004, 05:04 PM
I swear...one of these days, the end of the world is going to come because of this!

Evi
11-23-2004, 05:15 PM
Oh.My.God. :o

Debus
11-23-2004, 05:46 PM
What the fuck. That is horrible. It's sad that these people can get so emotionaly ill as to do something like that

Mr. Benzedrine
11-23-2004, 06:04 PM
:mellow: ...

The Modfather
11-23-2004, 06:31 PM
I hope that evil ugly bitch goes to jail. "Oh I just cut her arms off." What a damn psycho.

Evil Angel
11-23-2004, 06:39 PM
Originally posted by Derek@Nov 24 2004, 12:01 AM
I hope that evil ugly bitch goes to jail. "Oh I just cut her arms off." What a damn psycho.
someone go and cut her neck :angry:

Ryan
11-23-2004, 06:44 PM
Sometimes I wonder what's going on in peoples heads. That's really screwed up!! :angry:

Mark
11-23-2004, 07:13 PM
Fucking ridiculous. Absolutely despicable. Holy fucking hell.

Leslie
11-23-2004, 07:35 PM
:mellow: ...wow. That's insane.

Maëlle
11-23-2004, 08:34 PM
Holy Shit.

Link04
11-23-2004, 08:45 PM
:mellow: ........ :o
Wow

peripeteia
11-24-2004, 03:41 AM
its with people like her that i lose faith with the human race.

Razan
11-24-2004, 04:36 AM
OMG WHAT IS WRONG WITH HER!!!!!!!! :o
I hope this is where the gas chamber comes in :angry:

Mechanical Christ
11-24-2004, 04:40 AM
Holy muhfuckin fishies on crack. :mellow:

User Name
11-24-2004, 05:31 AM
You guys seem to forget that she was suffering from postpartum depression.

Razan
11-24-2004, 06:38 AM
You guys seem to forget that she was suffering from postpartum depression.

Your point is: if you're suffering from depression it's okay to cut off a baby's arm!

Kæton
11-24-2004, 06:44 AM
http://www.4woman.gov/faq/postpartum.htm

It explains her type of depression. If you add this upon depression itself, without professional help actually there (like the article says, she stopped getting help and all because they thought she was cured), then something is bound to happen. She might have killer herself, but she probably took it out on the baby. I agree it is sick to hear this kind of stuff, but at the same time, it's not okay, but it's not surprising she did something like this, depression on it's own is already sometimes hard for people to take, so throw in some other elements and you have got one messed up situation like this.

Schopman
11-24-2004, 11:08 AM
:mellow:....

forgotten girl
11-24-2004, 02:13 PM
it's sad that we always stop people with those kind of problems just when the worst is already done..

FreeYourMind
11-24-2004, 05:04 PM
Oh my god.. you're own fucking mother

Garfield
11-24-2004, 07:11 PM
damn. that's sick :angry: :angry: :angry: :angry: :angry: :unsure: :unsure: :unsure: :unsure: :unsure: :unsure: :unsure: :unsure: :( :( :( :(

Doctor Manhattan
11-24-2004, 07:23 PM
Originally posted by Spiked@Nov 24 2004, 12:38 AM
You guys seem to forget that she was suffering from postpartum depression.

Your point is: if you're suffering from depression it's okay to cut off a baby's arm!
Postpartum is way different than the 'oh my girlfriend broke up with me I WANT TO DIE' depression.

:rolleyes:

htep.fan
11-25-2004, 04:47 AM
Puta madre.

This is the fucking world we live in.

God, I....
I am so disturbed.

Razan
11-25-2004, 07:16 AM
You guys seem to forget that she was suffering from postpartum depression.


Your point is: if you're suffering from depression it's okay to cut off a baby's arm!

Postpartum is way different than the 'oh my girlfriend broke up with me I WANT TO DIE' depression.

I knew that it wasn't 'oh my girlfriend broke up with me I WANT TO DIE' depression but after reading the link Kaeton posted I realized what kind of depression it was.

Still not justification though...what can justify this?

Didn't it say that she got treated and that the neighbours thought she was a loving mother?

goso88
11-25-2004, 07:23 AM
Still not justification though...what can justify this?

I don't think anyone is trying to justify this....just trying to explain it... humanizing the mother a little, you know?

Kæton
11-25-2004, 08:18 AM
The thing with depression of any sort though, even if you come out of it, it is so easy to slip back into, I know about the type of depression the woman went through, I know someone who has had it and she had slipped in and out of it.

It doesn't justify that her actions were right, that wasn't the purpose of giving you the information, like goso stated, just informing you. It is just another human mental condition. Her actions were unexcusable, but the state of mind that she was in is understandable to the point it is not surprising because in depression, one can do destruction without thinking any of it through, i.e. Suicide, body mutilation of sorts, physical attacking themselves or another or even attempting something like this.

She is definately guilty for what she did, and there is no reason she should be given any amount of sympathy since she was aware of what she did (or so the article explains), but the justification here is not that she is in any way innocent, but the fact it shouldn't be that oh-so-surprising knowing already she had issues with depression. Like I said, a person can fall back into depression in a snap depending on situation and mental stability, so it's likely she was fine for awhile, but for some reason slipped back into it or something close to that effect.

Razan
11-25-2004, 08:39 AM
The thing with depression of any sort though, even if you come out of it, it is so easy to slip back into, I know about the type of depression the woman went through, I know someone who has had it and she had slipped in and out of it.

It doesn't justify that her actions were right, that wasn't the purpose of giving you the information, like goso stated, just informing you. It is just another human mental condition. Her actions were unexcusable, but the state of mind that she was in is understandable to the point it is not surprising because in depression, one can do destruction without thinking any of it through, i.e. Suicide, body mutilation of sorts, physical attacking themselves or another or even attempting something like this.

She is definately guilty for what she did, and there is no reason she should be given any amount of sympathy since she was aware of what she did (or so the article explains), but the justification here is not that she is in any way innocent, but the fact it shouldn't be that oh-so-surprising knowing already she had issues with depression. Like I said, a person can fall back into depression in a snap depending on situation and mental stability, so it's likely she was fine for awhile, but for some reason slipped back into it or something close to that effect.

OH :o they fall in and out of it!
Ok that made things alot clearer.

Ummm...I still don't understand it...they said it was stronger than the baby blues...what's that?
When I find the answers for all of those questions I'll start posting again. (Don't bother trying to answer them for me I'm kinda slow).

Never post something you don't understand because you'll look like a total idiot ^_^

htep.fan
11-26-2004, 01:58 AM
Originally posted by Kæton@Nov 25 2004, 08:18 AM
The thing with depression of any sort though, even if you come out of it, it is so easy to slip back into, I know about the type of depression the woman went through, I know someone who has had it and she had slipped in and out of it.

It doesn't justify that her actions were right, that wasn't the purpose of giving you the information, like goso stated, just informing you. It is just another human mental condition. Her actions were unexcusable, but the state of mind that she was in is understandable to the point it is not surprising because in depression, one can do destruction without thinking any of it through, i.e. Suicide, body mutilation of sorts, physical attacking themselves or another or even attempting something like this.

She is definately guilty for what she did, and there is no reason she should be given any amount of sympathy since she was aware of what she did (or so the article explains), but the justification here is not that she is in any way innocent, but the fact it shouldn't be that oh-so-surprising knowing already she had issues with depression. Like I said, a person can fall back into depression in a snap depending on situation and mental stability, so it's likely she was fine for awhile, but for some reason slipped back into it or something close to that effect.
Ah...

That clears off my head why did you told us that information. She's guilty of hell, but she had that depression, so it shouldn't be surprising, that's what you're trying to say, right? Yeah, I get it. I'm still disturbed, though.

Joachim
11-26-2004, 02:29 AM
Originally posted by Max@Nov 23 2004, 06:04 PM
:mellow: ...
thats jus sick

lofton0788
11-26-2004, 02:58 AM
Sick and disgusting

Unforgiver
11-26-2004, 07:02 AM
WOW :mellow:

x3r09
11-27-2004, 11:37 PM
capitol punishment anyone? :angry:

Jila
11-27-2004, 11:54 PM
i think she should just be put in a mental institution.

Doctor Manhattan
11-28-2004, 12:01 AM
Originally posted by x3r09@Nov 27 2004, 05:37 PM
capitol punishment anyone? :angry:
Nah, I've already had cookies.













... :rolleyes:

albi
11-28-2004, 04:27 PM
holy shit.............................that's terrible