Should Gay Couples Be Allowed to Adopt Children?

[Ryan]

Now that we have had a topic about gay marriage, lets switch to gay couples adopting children. Should they be allowed? When i ask this question i mainly ask in the sense of male gay couples, should they be allowed to adopt. Casue female gay couples can have a kid whenever they want, so i am mainly asking the question with male couples in mind.

I think i know most of the opinions that i will recieve form this question, but I tohught i would ask it anyhow. I'll wait for a few responses then i will give my opinion.

[Jila]

yes i think they should be able to adopt children. its better for a child to live with loving parents than in an orphanage.

[Kate]

A better question is why shouldn't gay couples be allowed to adopt? Single men or women can adopt, a heterosexual couple can adopt, and a gay couple can raise a child as well as a heterosexual couple (I've seen several Dateline NBC/other news magazine articles showing that it's so). The sexual orientation of the parents shouldn't matter as long as the child receives a good home.

[Vampire]

I wonder what goes through a child's mind realizing they have two mommies or two daddies. "Um...moms...where's dad...or dads?" Haha.

I say let them. I'd like to see someone give me one good reason as to why not.

[Ryan]

This is my only problem with gay couples being allowed to adopt children. Since gay marriages aren't even close to being socially accepted, think about how this kid would get teased and treated in a public environment. Should they have to be subjected to this kind of abuse form other kids? I mean many kids get "bullied" and teased about many other things, but this id like pretty much giving the kid a guarantee to get picked on. So I think that until gay marriage becomes a socially acceptable thing, they shouldn't be allowed to adopt. But then again, who is going to declare when gay marriages are socially acceptable?

[Vampire]

How would the other children know about his/her gay parents? I agree, he/she would be subjected to teasing but it's not worth banning the adoption over; not saying you want that. Just gotta take it with a grain of salt and move on. Nothing else. Or kick their asses.

[Jila]

the problem with that is that it really wouldnt be fair for the couples that actually want to take care of a child. just because society doesnt think its acceptable doesnt mean they should have their right taken away. but i do see where youre getting at. although i dont think you should have to hide the fact that your parents are homosexual, under these circumstances with all these biggoted and close-minded people who would actually harm someone for reasons that dont even effect them, maybe its a better idea not to inform the whole world about it. i mean its better not to expose everything than to deny rights all together.

im trying really hard to put this into words haha

[Ryan]

Originally posted by Vampire@Nov 22 2004, 10:28 PM
How would the other children know about his/her gay parents? I agree, he/she would be subjected to teasing but it's not worth banning the adoption over; not saying you want that. Just gotta take it with a grain of salt and move on. Nothing else. Or kick their asses.
Well i mean i'm sure it wold come out some way. Kids talk about alot of things, maybe they might ahve a discussion in class. The teacher ask what does your daddy do? the kid ultimately has to answer "well i have two daddies." I'm pretty sure it wold come out sooner or later. Like I said other than that, I don't really ahve a problem with it, I'm just looking at it mainly form the children's point of view rather than form the the point of view of the couple.

[goso88]

The kid would have a difficult time. Sad truth is, a lot of people, even people like teachers and "open minded" people would think of them slightly differently. I mean, I can imagine a lot of people who aren't bigots and honestly don't mean any harm going, "Oh, did you know so-and-so's parents were gay" or something like that. And the casual, everyday use of the word "gay" would, i think, make them feel more uncomfortable. It would also make many people conscious about meeting their parents, going to their houses, etc. But maybe all thats worth actually having parents and a home.

[Todd]

IMO, they should be able to adopt. A gay couple can make better parents than some of the heterosexual couples out there who neglect and abuse their kids

[Ryan]

Originally posted by Todd@Nov 23 2004, 05:48 AM
IMO, they should be able to adopt. A gay couple can make better parents than some of the heterosexual couples out there who neglect and abuse their kids
I totally agree with, homosexual couples can very likely be better parents than heterosexuals. But like I'm trying to say will these children be able to lead normal lives, growing up in the environment that they ar froced to grow up in.

[Todd]

Originally posted by Ryan+Nov 23 2004, 12:43 PM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (Ryan @ Nov 23 2004, 12:43 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> <!--QuoteBegin--Todd@Nov 23 2004, 05:48 AM
IMO, they should be able to adopt. A gay couple can make better parents than some of the heterosexual couples out there who neglect and abuse their kids
I totally agree with, homosexual couples can very likely be better parents than heterosexuals. But like I'm trying to say will these children be able to lead normal lives, growing up in the environment that they ar froced to grow up in. [/b][/quote]
I think they'd live a normal life. As for bullying in school, kids will get picked on for anything these days, if it isn't the sexual orientation of their parents, it would be some other childish reason.

I dont know if anyone here feels this way, but I've read the argument before "Well 2 gay parents will bring up a gay kid who won't reproduce and it will be the end of the human race!!!!11"....Straight parents produce gay kids, thus, gay parents would produce straight kids, so that argument is bullshit

[Link04]

Originally posted by Ryan@Nov 23 2004, 05:26 AM
This is my only problem with gay couples being allowed to adopt children. Since gay marriages aren't even close to being socially accepted, think about how this kid would get teased and treated in a public environment. Should they have to be subjected to this kind of abuse form other kids? I mean many kids get "bullied" and teased about many other things, but this id like pretty much giving the kid a guarantee to get picked on. So I think that until gay marriage becomes a socially acceptable thing, they shouldn't be allowed to adopt. But then again, who is going to declare when gay marriages are socially acceptable?
It's not the kid's fault that our society consists of a bunch of homophobes. :lol:

I say let them. If a kid is wanted, a homosexual couple will be able to give it a better home than a heterosexual couple where the child would be unwanted.

Edit: To clarify, I meant as opposed to having no adoption at all, or living in an orphanage. Those children are generally not "wanted", I wasn't saying heterosexual couples don't want to adopt children.

[Mark]

Of course they should be.

It's societies fault if these children are teased. Programs need to be put in place in school to minimize hate towards homosexuals. There is nothing I detest more than homophobic people. It's ludicrous.

[Chris Luke]

Originally posted by Mark@Nov 23 2004, 06:24 PM
Of course they should be.

It's societies fault if these children are teased. Programs need to be put in place in school to minimize hate towards homosexuals. There is nothing I detest more than homophobic people. It's ludicrous.
That's why I dislike the catholic church. They really love to hate things yet tell you that they are spreading love. Hypocrites. I say let them do what they want. It's a free country.

[User Name]

Originally posted by Todd@Nov 23 2004, 12:31 PM
I think they'd live a normal life. As for bullying in school, kids will get picked on for anything these days, if it isn't the sexual orientation of their parents, it would be some other childish reason.
Yes, but a parent's sexual orientation, given the current society we live in, could have a more lasting effect on the child. Being a person that was bullied constantly when in elementry school, I can definately say that it's had an effect on who I am today.

Then again, I may be wrong, and the bullying could faze out over the years like it did with me.

[Jila]

i just read that thread with the mother cutting off the babys arms and it really bugs that if this situation happened with a homosexual couple, who knows what people would do. its like they would have to put themselves in a higher standard than heterosexuals to prove themselves worthy. whatev, i think its ridiculous.

i agree with mark that there should be programs to minimize the hate on homosexuals. of course there would probably be angry revolting parents, but i still think its better than letting people stay hateful.

[Whimsicality]

Originally posted by Ryan@Nov 23 2004, 01:26 AM
This is my only problem with gay couples being allowed to adopt children. Since gay marriages aren't even close to being socially accepted, think about how this kid would get teased and treated in a public environment. Should they have to be subjected to this kind of abuse form other kids? I mean many kids get "bullied" and teased about many other things, but this id like pretty much giving the kid a guarantee to get picked on. So I think that until gay marriage becomes a socially acceptable thing, they shouldn't be allowed to adopt. But then again, who is going to declare when gay marriages are socially acceptable?
One apon a time you would have gotten picked on for having one white parent and one black parent. Should they have been stopped from having kids? No.

If anything I think that homosexuals adopting children will help (notice I said help, not take care of the problem itself) get rid of homophobia, because it will bring it more out in the open. Maybe the child of two homosexuals befriends your child. You don't know this right away, but the kid starts visiting your house, and my isn't she a bright, well mannered girl? And eventually you will find out that "Jill has two mommys" but you already see what a sweet girl Jilly is, her parents couldn't be all that bad. Obviously this is idealistic and a lot of people won't think that way. But some will.

And again I return to the situation I started with: Back when racism was all over the place, would you stop a black man with a white wife from having a child because it wasn't socially acceptable?

[Glenn]

I strongly agree that homosexual couples should be able to have kids.

It is true that it could be better for an adopted kid to be with homosexual parents, than a kid to be with abusive heterosexual parents...but remember, that doesn't mean that all homosexual couples would take better care of kids than heterosexual kids.

I'm not trying to separate these two kinds of people...I'm just saying they are all human.

[Ryan]

Originally posted by Whimsicality+Nov 23 2004, 08:14 PM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (Whimsicality @ Nov 23 2004, 08:14 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> <!--QuoteBegin--Ryan@Nov 23 2004, 01:26 AM
This is my only problem with gay couples being allowed to adopt children. Since gay marriages aren't even close to being socially accepted, think about how this kid would get teased and treated in a public environment. Should they have to be subjected to this kind of abuse form other kids? I mean many kids get "bullied" and teased about many other things, but this id like pretty much giving the kid a guarantee to get picked on. So I think that until gay marriage becomes a socially acceptable thing, they shouldn't be allowed to adopt. But then again, who is going to declare when gay marriages are socially acceptable?
One apon a time you would have gotten picked on for having one white parent and one black parent. Should they have been stopped from having kids? No.

If anything I think that homosexuals adopting children will help (notice I said help, not take care of the problem itself) get rid of homophobia, because it will bring it more out in the open. Maybe the child of two homosexuals befriends your child. You don't know this right away, but the kid starts visiting your house, and my isn't she a bright, well mannered girl? And eventually you will find out that "Jill has two mommys" but you already see what a sweet girl Jilly is, her parents couldn't be all that bad. Obviously this is idealistic and a lot of people won't think that way. But some will.

And again I return to the situation I started with: Back when racism was all over the place, would you stop a black man with a white wife from having a child because it wasn't socially acceptable? [/b][/quote]
Like I said i don't oppose gay people being able to adopt children. I just see it as being a potential threat to children, who for one already are going to lead a screwed up life because they are adopted. It's been proven in studies that adopted children eventhough they might get raised by a loving family, have a harder time adjusting to society and life when they grow older. I mean they are put in a possible situation that will make them a prime target for bullying, this in turn could make them stronger people or could really damage and scar them emotionally for life.
Like Todd said alot of children get bullied, but i mean since gay couples aren't accepted, they oculd be subjected to pretty harsh bullying. Especially the way that younger children now adays are becoming alot more violent.
So I mean, by all means all homosexual couples should be allowed to adopt children. But they should wait until homosexual couples are a little more accepted universally.

[Evi]

Of course, I don't see a reason why not.

[htep.fan]

Originally posted by Personal Jesus+Nov 23 2004, 10:35 PM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (Personal Jesus @ Nov 23 2004, 10:35 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> <!--QuoteBegin--Mark@Nov 23 2004, 06:24 PM
Of course they should be.

It's societies fault if these children are teased. Programs need to be put in place in school to minimize hate towards homosexuals. There is nothing I detest more than homophobic people. It's ludicrous.
That's why I dislike the catholic church. They really love to hate things yet tell you that they are spreading love. Hypocrites. I say let them do what they want. It's a free country. [/b][/quote]
I'M SO SICK OF THIS.

I'm a hardcore Catholic and I don't hate gays, so shut up. I was in the best Catholic school in my city (my dad working his ass off for it) and I was taught tolerance, which may not be acceptance, but still is not hate. They taught me that it is wrong, because you are not obeying your gender, which I think and know you will find offensive. But they taught me that they must not be hated, because they are people too. They never taught me to hate anyone. So stop saying wrong sht.

[Unforgiver]

i oppose. shouldn't a child feel the love of his/her mom and his/her dad?
not a dad and a dad or a mom and a mom.

[User Name]

Originally posted by htep.fan+Nov 24 2004, 10:37 PM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (htep.fan @ Nov 24 2004, 10:37 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> Originally posted by -Personal Jesus@Nov 23 2004, 10:35 PM
<!--QuoteBegin--Mark@Nov 23 2004, 06:24 PM
Of course they should be.

It's societies fault if these children are teased. Programs need to be put in place in school to minimize hate towards homosexuals. There is nothing I detest more than homophobic people. It's ludicrous.
That's why I dislike the catholic church. They really love to hate things yet tell you that they are spreading love. Hypocrites. I say let them do what they want. It's a free country.
I'M SO SICK OF THIS.

I'm a hardcore Catholic and I don't hate gays, so shut up. I was in the best Catholic school in my city (my dad working his ass off for it) and I was taught tolerance, which may not be acceptance, but still is not hate. They taught me that it is wrong, because you are not obeying your gender, which I think and know you will find offensive. But they taught me that they must not be hated, because they are people too. They never taught me to hate anyone. So stop saying wrong sht. [/b][/quote]
Agreed, even though I myself am not a Catholic, or a Christian for that matter (It's really complex. If you must know where I stand, PM me).

[Doctor Manhattan]

Originally posted by UN4G!V3R@Nov 26 2004, 01:09 AM
i oppose. shouldn't a child feel the love of his/her mom and his/her dad?
not a dad and a dad or a mom and a mom.
What, so a man isn't capable of giving a child the type of love a mother could?

That's the biggest crock of shit I've heard on this board in awhile.

[Link04]

Originally posted by UN4G!V3R@Nov 26 2004, 07:09 AM
i oppose. shouldn't a child feel the love of his/her mom and his/her dad?
not a dad and a dad or a mom and a mom.
What if his/her real mother and father DON'T want him? Wouldn't the child be better of with two men or two women who DO want a child?

[Unforgiver]

Originally posted by Link04+Nov 26 2004, 12:09 PM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (Link04 @ Nov 26 2004, 12:09 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> <!--QuoteBegin--UN4G!V3R@Nov 26 2004, 07:09 AM
i oppose. shouldn't a child feel the love of his/her mom and his/her dad?
not a dad and a dad or a mom and a mom.
What if his/her real mother and father DON'T want him? Wouldn't the child be better of with two men or two women who DO want a child? [/b][/quote]
what if the child doesn't want to go with a gay couple?


And Casey, I don't think a man gives the same love for a child as a woman does. :mellow:

[Evil Angel]

Originally posted by Link04+Nov 26 2004, 10:39 PM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (Link04 @ Nov 26 2004, 10:39 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> <!--QuoteBegin--UN4G!V3R@Nov 26 2004, 07:09 AM
i oppose. shouldn't a child feel the love of his/her mom and his/her dad?
not a dad and a dad or a mom and a mom.
What if his/her real mother and father DON'T want him? Wouldn't the child be better of with two men or two women who DO want a child? [/b][/quote]
but you don't realise the mental trauma the child has to go through and what if he/she is not willing to stay?

[Unforgiver]

Originally posted by Rohan+Nov 26 2004, 01:59 PM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (Rohan @ Nov 26 2004, 01:59 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> Originally posted by -Link04@Nov 26 2004, 10:39 PM
<!--QuoteBegin--UN4G!V3R@Nov 26 2004, 07:09 AM
i oppose. shouldn't a child feel the love of his/her mom and his/her dad?
not a dad and a dad or a mom and a mom.
What if his/her real mother and father DON'T want him? Wouldn't the child be better of with two men or two women who DO want a child?
but you don't realise the mental trauma the child has to go through and what if he/she is not willing to stay? [/b][/quote]
exactly

[Sylar]

Originally posted by UN4G!V3R+Nov 26 2004, 02:57 PM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (UN4G!V3R @ Nov 26 2004, 02:57 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> Originally posted by -Link04@Nov 26 2004, 12:09 PM
<!--QuoteBegin--UN4G!V3R@Nov 26 2004, 07:09 AM
i oppose. shouldn't a child feel the love of his/her mom and his/her dad?
not a dad and a dad or a mom and a mom.
What if his/her real mother and father DON'T want him? Wouldn't the child be better of with two men or two women who DO want a child?
what if the child doesn't want to go with a gay couple?


And Casey, I don't think a man gives the same love for a child as a woman does. :mellow: [/b][/quote]
Why can't a man give the child the same amount of love that a woman can give to a child? I don't see any reason that a man can't give the same amount of love to a child that a mother would.

As for the mental trauma, don't you think that the child would go through more mental trauma being with parents that don't want him or being with no caretakers at all?

[Mark]

Originally posted by Rohan+Nov 26 2004, 03:29 PM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (Rohan @ Nov 26 2004, 03:29 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> Originally posted by -Link04@Nov 26 2004, 10:39 PM
<!--QuoteBegin--UN4G!V3R@Nov 26 2004, 07:09 AM
i oppose. shouldn't a child feel the love of his/her mom and his/her dad?
not a dad and a dad or a mom and a mom.
What if his/her real mother and father DON'T want him? Wouldn't the child be better of with two men or two women who DO want a child?
but you don't realise the mental trauma the child has to go through and what if he/she is not willing to stay? [/b][/quote]
The chances of a kid raised in a household with homosexuals growing up to be homophobic are slim to none.

Gay men (and straight men) are just as capable of loving a child like a mother, Un4giver. You're treating them like animals.

[Whimsicality]

Originally posted by UN4G!V3R+Nov 26 2004, 02:57 PM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (UN4G!V3R @ Nov 26 2004, 02:57 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> Originally posted by -Link04@Nov 26 2004, 12:09 PM
<!--QuoteBegin--UN4G!V3R@Nov 26 2004, 07:09 AM
i oppose. shouldn't a child feel the love of his/her mom and his/her dad?
not a dad and a dad or a mom and a mom.
What if his/her real mother and father DON'T want him? Wouldn't the child be better of with two men or two women who DO want a child?
what if the child doesn't want to go with a gay couple?


And Casey, I don't think a man gives the same love for a child as a woman does. :mellow: [/b][/quote]
What if the child did/didn't want to go to a single parent? Would the situation be any different?

Also, if a man doesn't give the "same love" to a child that a women does, should we take children away from men who's wives have died/left them?

And as someone with a loving dad and loving uncles, I can't decide if what you said that offends me or not... :unsure:

[Doctor Manhattan]

Originally posted by UN4G!V3R+Nov 26 2004, 12:57 PM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (UN4G!V3R @ Nov 26 2004, 12:57 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> Originally posted by -Link04@Nov 26 2004, 12:09 PM
<!--QuoteBegin--UN4G!V3R@Nov 26 2004, 07:09 AM
i oppose. shouldn't a child feel the love of his/her mom and his/her dad?
not a dad and a dad or a mom and a mom.
What if his/her real mother and father DON'T want him? Wouldn't the child be better of with two men or two women who DO want a child?
what if the child doesn't want to go with a gay couple? [/b][/quote]
The child really doesn't have a say in a matter like this.

I'm ignoring the other comment, since it's just plain stupid in my opinion.

[Mark]

Originally posted by Casey+Nov 26 2004, 10:30 PM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (Casey @ Nov 26 2004, 10:30 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> Originally posted by -UN4G!V3R@Nov 26 2004, 12:57 PM
Originally posted by -Link04@Nov 26 2004, 12:09 PM
<!--QuoteBegin--UN4G!V3R@Nov 26 2004, 07:09 AM
i oppose. shouldn't a child feel the love of his/her mom and his/her dad?
not a dad and a dad or a mom and a mom.
What if his/her real mother and father DON'T want him? Wouldn't the child be better of with two men or two women who DO want a child?
what if the child doesn't want to go with a gay couple?
The child really doesn't have a say in a matter like this.

I'm ignoring the other comment, since it's just plain stupid in my opinion. [/b][/quote]
PLus the fact that the child is at a very young age when adopted (usually) and has no concept of what homosexuality is. That's a ridiculous argument, Un4giver.

[Link04]

Originally posted by Rohan+Nov 26 2004, 06:59 PM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (Rohan @ Nov 26 2004, 06:59 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> Originally posted by -Link04@Nov 26 2004, 10:39 PM
<!--QuoteBegin--UN4G!V3R@Nov 26 2004, 07:09 AM
i oppose. shouldn't a child feel the love of his/her mom and his/her dad?
not a dad and a dad or a mom and a mom.
What if his/her real mother and father DON'T want him? Wouldn't the child be better of with two men or two women who DO want a child?
but you don't realise the mental trauma the child has to go through and what if he/she is not willing to stay? [/b][/quote]
Tell me, what kind of mental trauma can it impose on a child?

[Kevin]

NO they shouldn't , they should be allowed to mary , but the kind just misses a mam or dad , children who only have a mom or a dad ( the other died) are mostly totally different raced then normal . and the child gonna be teased by having 2 mums or 2 dads . when A girl is adopted by 2 gay men she just misses mother just like a son by 2 women it just doesn't work

[Sylar]

Originally posted by Kevin@Nov 27 2004, 11:44 AM
NO they shouldn't , they should be allowed to maryy , but the kind just misses a mam or dad , children how only have a mom or dad the other died are mostly totally different raced then normal , and the child gonna be teased by having 2 mums or 2 dads < wehn A girl is adopted by 2 gay men she just misses mother and a son by 2 women 2 it just doesn't work
whoa whoa whoa...What???? :wth: :unsure:

[Bandwagon]

^ Drunk, perhaps?

You say that children should be able to feel the love of both a mother and a father? Well get this: I don't.

My dad lives in France. My mum - ha it doesn't really matter.

But yeah - your arguement is pretty flawed.

[Maëlle]

I am 100% for same sex people adopting kids and here are my reasons:

- If a child is being abused while living at home with his mum and his dad and that the only couple willing to adopt him is homosexual, I'd rather have them adopt him than having his two parents continuing to abuse him.

- I don't believe that childrens absolutely need the love of a mum and a dad; I know perfectly normal people who have grown withotu their mother or father.

- It's hard for a heterosexual couple to adopt. They must meet psychologists, they must have referencial letters and/or people, they must pass psychological tests and lot of others thing to finally, maybe having the chance to adopt a kid. Imagine how hard it would be for same sex couples to adopt? It would be as hard for them if not more because they aren't heterosexual. So it would almost be impossible for them to be ''bad'' parents.

[Evil Angel]

Originally posted by Maëlle@Nov 28 2004, 01:20 AM
I am 100% for same sex people adopting kids and here are my reasons:

- If a child is being abused while living at home with his mum and his dad and that the only couple willing to adopt him is homosexual, I'd rather have them adopt him than having his two parents continuing to abuse him.

- I don't believe that childrens absolutely need the love of a mum and a dad; I know perfectly normal people who have grown withotu their mother or father.

- It's hard for a heterosexual couple to adopt. They must meet psychologists, they must have referencial letters and/or people, they must pass psychological tests and lot of others thing to finally, maybe having the chance to adopt a kid. Imagine how hard it would be for same sex couples to adopt? It would be as hard for them if not more because they aren't heterosexual. So it would almost be impossible for them to be ''bad'' parents.
Although I don't agree with you but I must appreciate you way of putting forth your views

[Maëlle]

Originally posted by Rohan+Nov 27 2004, 04:06 PM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (Rohan @ Nov 27 2004, 04:06 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> <!--QuoteBegin--Maëlle@Nov 28 2004, 01:20 AM
I am 100% for same sex people adopting kids and here are my reasons:

- If a child is being abused while living at home with his mum and his dad and that the only couple willing to adopt him is homosexual, I'd rather have them adopt him than having his two parents continuing to abuse him.

- I don't believe that childrens absolutely need the love of a mum and a dad; I know perfectly normal people who have grown withotu their mother or father.

- It's hard for a heterosexual couple to adopt. They must meet psychologists, they must have referencial letters and/or people, they must pass psychological tests and lot of others thing to finally, maybe having the chance to adopt a kid. Imagine how hard it would be for same sex couples to adopt? It would be as hard for them if not more because they aren't heterosexual. So it would almost be impossible for them to be ''bad'' parents.
Although I don't agree with you but I must appreciate you way of putting forth your views [/b][/quote]
Thank you ^_^

[Unforgiver]

Originally posted by Mark+Nov 26 2004, 10:22 PM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (Mark @ Nov 26 2004, 10:22 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> Originally posted by -Casey@Nov 26 2004, 10:30 PM
Originally posted by -UN4G!V3R@Nov 26 2004, 12:57 PM
Originally posted by -Link04@Nov 26 2004, 12:09 PM
<!--QuoteBegin--UN4G!V3R@Nov 26 2004, 07:09 AM
i oppose. shouldn't a child feel the love of his/her mom and his/her dad?
not a dad and a dad or a mom and a mom.
What if his/her real mother and father DON'T want him? Wouldn't the child be better of with two men or two women who DO want a child?
what if the child doesn't want to go with a gay couple?
The child really doesn't have a say in a matter like this.

I'm ignoring the other comment, since it's just plain stupid in my opinion.
PLus the fact that the child is at a very young age when adopted (usually) and has no concept of what homosexuality is. That's a ridiculous argument, Un4giver. [/b][/quote]
well, when grown-up he will know :mellow:
and i would't like that to happen if that child was me, i just oppose.

[Willstar]

Originally posted by UN4G!V3R@Nov 27 2004, 04:57 PM
and i would't like that to happen if that child was me, i just oppose.
Because you're a homophobic, close-minded jerk? Yeah. I can see why you'd be against it then. :rolleyes:

[Unforgiver]

maybe :wth:

[Unforgiver]

maybe i am a close-minded guy in this gay topic sh#t, cuz i can't f*ckin get how a guy can love other guy and a woman love another woman... i guess they just do... :/, and i just say i oppose

[Chris(tmas)]

he agrees with you too, thats great :lol:


i dont know though. I dont really have an opinion about it..

[Willstar]

Originally posted by UN4G!V3R@Nov 27 2004, 06:04 PM
maybe i am a close-minded guy in this gay topic sh#t, cuz i can't f*ckin get how a guy can love other guy and a woman love another woman... i guess they just do... :/, and i just say i oppose
Don't double post. :rolleyes:

[Unforgiver]

Originally posted by Will+Nov 27 2004, 05:13 PM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (Will @ Nov 27 2004, 05:13 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> <!--QuoteBegin--UN4G!V3R@Nov 27 2004, 06:04 PM
maybe i am a close-minded guy in this gay topic sh#t, cuz i can't f*ckin get how a guy can love other guy and a woman love another woman... i guess they just do... :/, and i just say i oppose
Don't double post. :rolleyes: [/b][/quote]
my internet was all messed up and i couldn't find the edit button :rolleyes:

[Willstar]

Originally posted by UN4G!V3R+Nov 27 2004, 06:28 PM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (UN4G!V3R @ Nov 27 2004, 06:28 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> Originally posted by -Will@Nov 27 2004, 05:13 PM
<!--QuoteBegin--UN4G!V3R@Nov 27 2004, 06:04 PM
maybe i am a close-minded guy in this gay topic sh#t, cuz i can't f*ckin get how a guy can love other guy and a woman love another woman... i guess they just do... :/, and i just say i oppose
Don't double post. :rolleyes:
my internet was all messed up and i couldn't find the edit button :rolleyes: [/b][/quote]
LOL. Worst excuse ever.

[Maëlle]

Originally posted by UN4G!V3R@Nov 27 2004, 06:04 PM
maybe i am a close-minded guy in this gay topic sh#t, cuz i can't f*ckin get how a guy can love other guy and a woman love another woman... i guess they just do... :/, and i just say i oppose
Hormones, man... always the hormones!

[x3r09]

oppose

[Ryan]

Originally posted by x3r09@Nov 27 2004, 04:29 PM
oppose
At least back up your opinion. There is nothing worse than an unbacked opinion.

[Unforgiver]

Originally posted by Will+Nov 27 2004, 05:32 PM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (Will @ Nov 27 2004, 05:32 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> Originally posted by -UN4G!V3R@Nov 27 2004, 06:28 PM
Originally posted by -Will@Nov 27 2004, 05:13 PM
<!--QuoteBegin--UN4G!V3R@Nov 27 2004, 06:04 PM
maybe i am a close-minded guy in this gay topic sh#t, cuz i can't f*ckin get how a guy can love other guy and a woman love another woman... i guess they just do... :/, and i just say i oppose
Don't double post. :rolleyes:
my internet was all messed up and i couldn't find the edit button :rolleyes:
LOL. Worst excuse ever. [/b][/quote]
yea a lil bit if it is a lie but it is true :innocent:

[Link04]

Originally posted by Link04+Nov 27 2004, 03:24 AM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (Link04 @ Nov 27 2004, 03:24 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> Originally posted by -Rohan@Nov 26 2004, 06:59 PM
Originally posted by -Link04@Nov 26 2004, 10:39 PM
<!--QuoteBegin--UN4G!V3R@Nov 26 2004, 07:09 AM
i oppose. shouldn't a child feel the love of his/her mom and his/her dad?
not a dad and a dad or a mom and a mom.
What if his/her real mother and father DON'T want him? Wouldn't the child be better of with two men or two women who DO want a child?
but you don't realise the mental trauma the child has to go through and what if he/she is not willing to stay?
Tell me, what kind of mental trauma can it impose on a child? [/b][/quote]
Sorry to be a bother, but you never answered my question.

[Unforgiver]

Originally posted by Link04+Nov 29 2004, 08:30 PM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (Link04 @ Nov 29 2004, 08:30 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> Originally posted by -Link04@Nov 27 2004, 03:24 AM
Originally posted by -Rohan@Nov 26 2004, 06:59 PM
Originally posted by -Link04@Nov 26 2004, 10:39 PM
<!--QuoteBegin--UN4G!V3R@Nov 26 2004, 07:09 AM
i oppose. shouldn't a child feel the love of his/her mom and his/her dad?
not a dad and a dad or a mom and a mom.
What if his/her real mother and father DON'T want him? Wouldn't the child be better of with two men or two women who DO want a child?
but you don't realise the mental trauma the child has to go through and what if he/she is not willing to stay?
Tell me, what kind of mental trauma can it impose on a child?
Sorry to be a bother, but you never answered my question. [/b][/quote]
sorry but it wasn't me the one that asked it.

[Jila]

Originally posted by UN4G!V3R+Nov 30 2004, 04:28 PM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (UN4G!V3R @ Nov 30 2004, 04:28 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> Originally posted by -Link04@Nov 29 2004, 08:30 PM
Originally posted by -Link04@Nov 27 2004, 03:24 AM
Originally posted by -Rohan@Nov 26 2004, 06:59 PM
Originally posted by -Link04@Nov 26 2004, 10:39 PM
<!--QuoteBegin--UN4G!V3R@Nov 26 2004, 07:09 AM
i oppose. shouldn't a child feel the love of his/her mom and his/her dad?
not a dad and a dad or a mom and a mom.
What if his/her real mother and father DON'T want him? Wouldn't the child be better of with two men or two women who DO want a child?
but you don't realise the mental trauma the child has to go through and what if he/she is not willing to stay?
Tell me, what kind of mental trauma can it impose on a child?
Sorry to be a bother, but you never answered my question.
sorry but it wasn't me the one that asked it. [/b][/quote]
what? :wth:

he was saying you never answered the question he asked that was directed to you. (which was "what kind of mental trauma can it impose on a child?")

[Unforgiver]

Originally posted by PyRoMaNiaK+Nov 30 2004, 06:42 PM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (PyRoMaNiaK @ Nov 30 2004, 06:42 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> Originally posted by -UN4G!V3R@Nov 30 2004, 04:28 PM
Originally posted by -Link04@Nov 29 2004, 08:30 PM
Originally posted by -Link04@Nov 27 2004, 03:24 AM
Originally posted by -Rohan@Nov 26 2004, 06:59 PM
Originally posted by -Link04@Nov 26 2004, 10:39 PM
<!--QuoteBegin--UN4G!V3R@Nov 26 2004, 07:09 AM
i oppose. shouldn't a child feel the love of his/her mom and his/her dad?
not a dad and a dad or a mom and a mom.
What if his/her real mother and father DON'T want him? Wouldn't the child be better of with two men or two women who DO want a child?
but you don't realise the mental trauma the child has to go through and what if he/she is not willing to stay?
Tell me, what kind of mental trauma can it impose on a child?
Sorry to be a bother, but you never answered my question.
sorry but it wasn't me the one that asked it.
what? :wth:

he was saying you never answered the question he asked that was directed to you. (which was "what kind of mental trauma can it impose on a child?") [/b][/quote]
Jila, Rohan was the one that asked question.

[Jila]

edit: oh wait nevermind

me=stupid :lol:

sorry about that ¬_¬

[Unforgiver]

Originally posted by PyRoMaNiaK@Nov 30 2004, 06:52 PM
edit: oh wait nevermind

me=stupid :lol:
Link04, we were both wrong :P

[Link04]

What do you mean? I'm still waiting for Rohan to reply.