Collision Course is Awesome

[ECU Tekkie]

Got a hold of Collision Course today, from an anonymous source. I must say, LP and Jay did a great job on this. Hope you guys all enjoy it as much as I am.

[Vampire]

Yup. It's leaked. It's great. Should this topic exist though? Who knows! Find out next on the staff's decision!

[ECU Tekkie]

The staff will probably shut it down, but I don't care. The people here need to know so they can go get it. Too bad I can't say WHERE they can get it. You all have my e-mail address.

[The Doctor]

Yes it should exist, and it does. How about that!

[Vampire]

Originally posted by Nate@Nov 22 2004, 08:36 PM
Yes it should exist, and it does. How about that!
ROCK ON!

[peripeteia]

CC is just....


WOW.

although i didnt really dig big pimpin'/papercut that much..

[Stik]

I was actually expecting more work on the beats and stuff, but it turns out that most of them just used the original beats, and some didn't even use any of LP's! The three I like the most are DOYS/LFY, JW/F, and N/E. I also noticed that LP used some of their original lyrics, not re-recording them (aka 99 Problems/Points/One Step). All in all it's an alright CD, I think I was just too hyped for it.

P.S.:This topic is allowed to exist as long as we don't link to a copy of it. ;)

[Vampire]

Originally posted by Stik@Nov 22 2004, 11:55 PM
P.S.:This topic is allowed to exist as long as we don't link to a copy of it. ;)
Whoa, check it out, there's an echo in here.

[Kæton]

You gotta' remember that this was a mash-up album, not a remix. I think we should be happy to even have new beats because technically, all that usually happens in mash-ups is they take an instrumental, the vocals and throw it in a blender. LP stepped up and pushed the lines and gave us more.

C'mon, you weren't expecting Reanimation-style, where you? :lol:

I think it was brilliant. I have heard some mash-ups in the past and they have been pretty lame, no extra beats, but eh, I guess this will strike us all differently.

[Minus Xero]

What can you expect from a mash-up? If it were anything more, it wouldn't be a mash, would it?

I kinda like how they didn't always use LP's music... I mean, it's not just LP fans that will check this out, ya know.

[Doctor Manhattan]

I've come to find out that best songs are the ones where Jay-Z is rapping to Linkin Park's music, not Mike/Chester rapping/singing to Jay-Z's music.

Prime example: Jigga What?/Faint.

[Luke/Hellflame]

Well I heard 4 of the songs on a live CD:

Lying From You/Dirt Of Your Shoulder
Jigga What/Faint
Numb/Encore
Points Of Authority/99 Problems/One Step Closer

I have to say they're all excellent but I especialy like the Points of authority/99 problems,Mikes rapping is awesome,I'm not sure if mike was rapping just for the live version or not but it was sick! I like the bit in Jigga what/Faint when mike stops rapping to the jigga what tune and then the drums at the beggining of Faint introduce the faint tune

[eXess7]

Ooohhh, Pimpin/Papercut is off the sheeeze.

[Dedicated]

Points Of Authority/99 Problems/One Step Closer is Godly :o

[Kevin]

Originally posted by Dedicated@Nov 23 2004, 08:41 PM
Points Of Authority/99 Problems/One Step Closer is Godly :o
it is , I don't dig izzo /in the end , I'm also really glad that I pre ordered it^^

[Glenn]

None of these songs on this CD were mixed well at all. I thought LP would get much more creative than this, but I was wrong. I guess the songs are halfway decent but I was very disappointed. I am not going to buy this album...anytime soon at least.

[J-Flex]

one thing i dont like much about this album
my neck started to hurt......
maybe i didnt enjoy lp's cd so much since a while

[The Modfather]

Originally posted by Duffy@Nov 23 2004, 05:00 PM
None of these songs on this CD were mixed well at all. I thought LP would get much more creative than this, but I was wrong. I guess the songs are halfway decent but I was very disappointed. I am not going to buy this album...anytime soon at least.
Absolutely. People, please don't give the mashup excuse because LP broke the rules of mashups with LFY/DOYS amd Numb/Encore as those were definetely REMIXES and not Mashups. They could've done the same thing to the other songs, but I guess that'd be too much to expect from a band that has now let me down THREE TIMES (Parts of Meteora, LPU3 CD and now CC). Quoting from my post at the LPMB:

So here we are with the long awaited Collision Course. So the question is, do the 6 tracks live up to the expectations or are average at best?

1. Dirt Off Your Shoulder Vs. Lying From You :: 9/10

A great track that appears to have a lot of work put into it. This song embodies what Collision Course was about, in the sense it is a solid blend of two great songs. The instrumental adds a new twist to lying from you and the addition of Dirt Off Your Shoulder beats as well as new drums make the track really bump. But instrumental aside, this tracks faults unfortunately shine through early on.

One problem that plagues this track from the minute Jay-Z comes in is improperly matched vocals. For the entirety of the first verse Jay-Z comes off very offbeat, and just barely matches the instrumental he is rapping over. You'd think more work would be done to correct this problem, but unfortunately it seems like nothing was done.

Vocal issues aside, some of the new acapella parts match the track extremely well which helps to make this track an all around solid matchup. But sadly, as with most of this album as you will see, it could've been a lot better.

2. Big Pimpin Vs. Papercut :: 5.0/10

Ah yes, the track that influenced the title of this thread. When I first heard about this track I was very excited, because I imagined papercut's sirens and crunching guitars mixed with samples of pimpin's flute and drum line. Unfortunately, I never got any of that and instead was presented with the least creative track on the entire CD.

Basically the best way to imagine this entire track is Papercut's first verse and chorus over big pimpin's beat, and then the rest of the song being the album version of big pimpin. There is absolutely no trace of Papercut in this song except for the verse and chorus vocals, and the entire song feels incomplete.

Ending abruptly with only a playing time of 2:36 it feels like this track was made at the last second but was unable to be completed so they just threw it on there. I was greatly dissapointed in Linkin Park for making no attempt to make a new instrumental but I guess you cant always get what you want.

3. Jigga What Vs. Faint :: 7.5/10

Now here's a pretty creative track. The intro starts off nice and slow and has little samples of Faint's violin over a funky new bassline by phoenix and a steady drumbeat by rob.

This is however, one of the instances where the live version sounds a lot better than the album version. The instrumental and flows are slower then they were live and unlike in the live version, Jay-Z's vocals often get lost in the mix. Also, what was disappointing was that the Faint half of the song is exactly like it is on Meteora. Nothing new, no mix of Jigga What drumbeats, just the exact same song.

It's a decent song, but not one I shall be putting on repeat anytime soon.

4. Numb Vs. Encore :: 8/10

Although many people thought that they destroyed the original feeling of Numb, this deserves a decent score because of the amount of work that went into it. Also the instrumental is not as complex as LFY/DOYS, it is still pretty nicely done and sounds great with the random drum beat and samples of Numb's piano parts. Jay-Z's verses match the beat perfectly and its pretty addictive to sing/rap along to. However, I didnt like the fact that it just felt like two different parts instead of one. Chester's part just comes out of nowhere, and although it isnt enough to make this track un-enjoyable I would've loved for a better transition. Still a pretty decent song and I can tell why they made it a single, for it's one of the best tracks on the CD.

5. Izzo Vs. In The End :: 7/10

Alas, a song that could've had some serious potential to be the best, had it been much longer then what it turned out to be.

Like with Papercut, the instrumental on this track is just Izzo without any sign of In The End's guitars or samples. However, that doesn't really hurt this track as In The End's first rap verse matches the beat really nicely and Chester's re-recorded melodies sound great. This track had me really listening from the beginning but then to my dismay it was only 2:44 in length. The outro sounded really nice as it is Mike and Jay-Z samples being scratched and it sounds really phat. However, if that could've been a bridge that transitioned into something else making this song longer, this would've been the best track. But since it was so short it turns out to be the 2nd worst track as evidenced by the score.

6. 99 Problems Vs. POA Vs. OSC :: 9.5/10

If there's one thing Linkin Park have always been good with on all of their albums, it's saving the best track for last. The original version of this song was made by a DJ (without POA) and is what inspired this entire project to happen. So it should come as no surprise that this track sounds the best out any song on the CD.

99 Problems' vocals match POA and OSC surprisingly well but the most attractive part about this song is how many Jay-Z rhymes Mike re-recorded for this track. The original intro to 99 Problems was re-written by Mike to be in 3rd person and has been crafted as a lyrical jab to any of the critics who want to strike them down. Cursing the most out of any track on the CD, Mike spits Jay-Z's lines with perfection and never falters.

Later on in one very amazing collaboration Mike plays the cop who questions Jay-Z while Jay-Z fires back with wiseass retorts making it the stand out part of the song. Had all the songs been this well planned out perhaps the CD would've been amazing.

But unfortunately it never was.

Final Verdict: 6/10

Short song lengths, Improper mixing, offbeat vocals, barely altered songs and seemingly low production value make this Linkin Park's worst CD to date, even lower than Live In Texas.

Had more work gone into every track and had it been double the length and number of tracks, this CD would have been an ideal stocking stuffer for the holiday season. Buy it if you want to support the band like I do, but be advised it isn't worth the 20 dollar pricetag due to its briefness and lack of creativity in some parts.

Bottom line, I expected far better from such a talented band and as Jay-Z said in Big Pimpin "you're wasting your talent!"

If LP lays an egg like this one more time with the new album, I think I'm going to be finished with them. This is astonishing the level of garbage they're releasing to their fans now. That's pretty sad too because I run a well respected LP fansite and I'm saying this about my FAVORITE band.

[Vampire]

Damn, some of you are making a huge fucking deal of this. MTV just decided to mash-up artists as a quickie way to deliver some fun to fans. A lot of people are going, "omg it's horrible linkin park let me down blah blah blah," seriously, grow up. Linkin Park will not always produce Hybrid Theory material or things we all like. Just deal with it. There's no sense going, "they let me down, one more screw up and I'm done with them." Hoo boy.

Anywho, Collision Course is pretty neat. I wish they did longer or more collabs but it came out pretty nice. Not bad at all.

[The Modfather]

Originally posted by Vampire@Nov 23 2004, 08:32 PM
Damn, some of you are making a huge fucking deal of this. MTV just decided to mash-up artists as a quickie way to deliver some fun to fans. A lot of people are going, "omg it's horrible linkin park let me down blah blah blah," seriously, grow up. Linkin Park will not always produce Hybrid Theory material or things we all like. Just deal with it. There's no sense going, "they let me down, one more screw up and I'm done with them." Hoo boy.

Anywho, Collision Course is pretty neat. I wish they did longer or more collabs but it came out pretty nice. Not bad at all.
Sure, but I guess out of those 99 problems making YET ANOTHER REHASH ALBUM aint one.

Think about it Live In Texas, Reanimation and CC. What is going on here? Yup you heard it, yet another way to milk their OLD MUSIC without actually delivering new shit to the fans.

Look at LPU4, its mostly live tracks! How sad is that? No offense man but are you that brainwashed that you can't see LP are messing up left and right? I mean shit, this is starting to get pathetic now!

[Mark]

I think it's pretty good. Aside from some of the songs being too short, the instrumentation and creativity is very satisfying.

Order of songs, best to worst;

01:: Points Of Authority/99 Problems/One Step Closer (9.5/10)
02:: Dirt Off Your Shoulder/Lying From You (9/10)
03:: Jigga What?/Faint (9/10)
04:: Numb/Encore (8.5/10)
05:: IZZO/IN The End (8/10)
06:: Big Pimpin'/Papercut (8/10)

Some people just expect too much. It IS just a Mash-up album, so don't tell me I can't use that excuse. This was not a remix album. If some songs were done better than others, then that does not mean they're remixes. That means they turned out better.

Some people say some songs weren't put together right, but if it had been done another way, other fans would've been disappointed on the other side of the spectrum. You can't please everyone with these Mash-up albums. 'Collision Course' is a valiant effort from Linkin Park and we should all be happy we're getting (semi-)new material. It's something we've never heard before and I'd give LP an A+ for creativity and not being afraid to take their sound to new places. Maybe some of you are suffering from withdrawl from the standard LP formula. There weren't many climatic bridges at the end of songs, so maybe you guys missed them.

Final Score: 9/10.

[eXess7]

Linkin Park is not a rock band. There is no genre that they follow so you are going to get a huge span of types of music they make. It's really too bad that some people only like one specific type of music. If you can keep an open mind about music you will both respect and enjoy a lot more of the stuff that gets produced. And to say you expected a lot more from a side project such as CC (a 6 track album mind you) is a joke. To say you expected more from a friggen LPU CD is just plain nuts. The other 90% of the industry sounds exactly the same album after album and doesn't evolve or try new things, don't expect LP to lower itself to that level.

Edit:

And Derek, using the valuses that you gave each song, the average is still 7.66 overall. I'm not sure where 6.0 came from. Also, don't be surprised if the new LPU CD doesn't go 10x platinum. As Mike says in Izzo/In The End, "This is fun"; they weren't trying to revolutionize music on this.

[Kæton]

Yeah guys, c'mon, you have to remember, none of this was a remix. They used the same samples from their music, but they created a much more advanced structure for majority. The stuff you hear in Big Pimpin'/Papercut and Izzo/In The End is what mash-ups COULD and SHOULD have been. Hell, Mike didn't even need to re-record his verses for Izzo/In The End. They coulda' just distorted it and stretched the vocals out.

You guys have to stop thinking that this was going to be Reanimation-style stuff. As much as we expect Linkin Park to produce innovative material, we can't expect everything they do to be innovative. Live In Texas, Reanimation and now CC, these are just stuff we as fans should appreciate. If Reanimation, LIT and CC never came out, we would have NOT had anything from Hybrid Theory to Meteora and on, and an artist can't just keep pumping out new material over and over if they're touring and such.

I think the biggest mistake people are looking at this as is it is indeed a mash-up and I can use that excuse all I want because it is true. I don't know if LP ever promised Reanimation-style songs, so I don't think we should just assume it's going to have those types of elements.

I am personally loving CC. It's very awesome to see artists colliding like this. The thing that amazed me the most is that they did take extra steps with their songs, and they didn't have to. Mash-ups do not need re-recordings, they don't usually get extra additions beat-wise or anything and sound pretty cheap.

I'm going with Mark on this and saying I think people just expected way too much of this. It was a fun side project and we should be happy they're even giving us new stuff. It may not be new songs, but at least we get to hear our favorites in some new way, we don't have to look at it as a re-hash. But I guess we all look at this differently, so I can't be quick to say my way of thinking is right.

I am disappointed with song length, I think they should have extended the songs, having the opportunity to incorporate two set of lyrics. The only disappointment aside from song length was one re-recording and that was for OSC with the screaming. It's odd to hear this awesome new re-recording of the first verse of 99 Problems and then it pretty much just plays out.

I'm still fine with the album, it's not the best material I've heard, but it's still something I would listen to because I in fact think this takes the oldies and the newer stuff I like and hearing them be fused is just amazing, maybe I just don't see it happen often, but something like this doesn't happen too often.

Don't get me wrong, I think in some ways Linkin Park is really taking bad turns by prolonging any new music of their own and stuff, but I appreciate everything they're giving to us, and I don't think I'm brainwashed. Maybe I'm just more accepting to the content they give us, or what, but I think that CC is going to look good with my other collection of LP merch.

*shrugs* Meh, I guess we're just all different, lol.

[Vampire]

Originally posted by Derek+Nov 23 2004, 05:45 PM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (Derek @ Nov 23 2004, 05:45 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> <!--QuoteBegin--Vampire@Nov 23 2004, 08:32 PM
Damn, some of you are making a huge fucking deal of this. MTV just decided to mash-up artists as a quickie way to deliver some fun to fans. A lot of people are going, "omg it's horrible linkin park let me down blah blah blah," seriously, grow up. Linkin Park will not always produce Hybrid Theory material or things we all like. Just deal with it. There's no sense going, "they let me down, one more screw up and I'm done with them." Hoo boy.

Anywho, Collision Course is pretty neat. I wish they did longer or more collabs but it came out pretty nice. Not bad at all.
Sure, but I guess out of those 99 problems making YET ANOTHER REHASH ALBUM aint one.

Think about it Live In Texas, Reanimation and CC. What is going on here? Yup you heard it, yet another way to milk their OLD MUSIC without actually delivering new shit to the fans.

Look at LPU4, its mostly live tracks! How sad is that? No offense man but are you that brainwashed that you can't see LP are messing up left and right? I mean shit, this is starting to get pathetic now! [/b][/quote]
I don't look at it as "milking" their music to get money, Derek. This was a little something extra for the fans -- it was not a Reanimation masterpiece or another album with lots of hardwork -- it was a quickie for shits and giggles. It's not a monumental CD -- it's just a little extra. Don't like it? Don't buy it! But don't judge the entire bands hard work and fan dedication on it. Please, Derek, I know you have to love Linkin Park more than that. So album 2 wasn't as good -- it happens to many bands -- it's a curse. And 3.0 wasn't good 'cause they didn't have time -- they were touring non-stop! Summer Sam, Europe, World Tour...but I think this time around for 4.0, we're getting some decent goodies.

[Razan]

Damn, some of you are making a huge fucking deal of this. MTV just decided to mash-up artists as a quickie way to deliver some fun to fans. A lot of people are going, "omg it's horrible linkin park let me down blah blah blah," seriously, grow up. Linkin Park will not always produce Hybrid Theory material or things we all like. Just deal with it. There's no sense going, "they let me down, one more screw up and I'm done with them." Hoo boy.

Anywho, Collision Course is pretty neat. I wish they did longer or more collabs but it came out pretty nice. Not bad at all.

I completely agree.
Enough with the "One more screw up" thing because I don't think anything was a screw up.
Loads of my friends who hated LP loved them after Meteora because of the lyrics and it's not that heavy for them.

If it's not your style, don't buy it.

[The Modfather]

I love LP a lot like you said. It's just they haven't truly "wowed" me for a long time. Yes the HBMS track produced a lot of wows, but that wasn't a new LP song.

I want a new LP song man because I want to feel that magic I get, everytime I hear a new song by them the first time. Surely you know what I mean, its that adrenaline rush you get when you hear Faint for the first time or those crunching riffs of Hit The Floor.

And I'll be honest and say CC is more enjoyable as you listen to it more, but even so I cant help but be hungry for new material.

[Kæton]

I think that's how it is for a lot of artists and their fans.. the fans are always hungry for something new... :lol:

[Carl Johnson]

maybe Derek, you didn't get the adredalin rush because you had heard these songs before :rolleyes:

[Vampire]

I get ya' Derek. You were expecting to get that rush like when you hear a new LP track and since you didn't get it, you're disappointed and hunger for new material more than ever. I totally understand man. :)

[Kevin]

I've heard the whole album I really like jigga what/faint and poa /osc /99problems , But izzo /in the end and big pimpin /papercut where kinda disapoiting and the songs were to short < i really enjoyed reanimtion more ,but is just to give the fans some music before witing for the next ablum i give this album a 6.5

for the new lpu cd I think it's great 2 new tracks, welle I kinda compared to lpu 3 it couldn't get worse then that, But an new hip hop track and a new instrumental sounds great^^ ,

The new album Even when i tought this was a bit disapoiting I'm really looking forward to it , and most of the side project mike did are fun:)

[Glenn]

Originally posted by Derek+Nov 23 2004, 09:45 PM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (Derek @ Nov 23 2004, 09:45 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> <!--QuoteBegin--Vampire@Nov 23 2004, 08:32 PM
Damn, some of you are making a huge fucking deal of this. MTV just decided to mash-up artists as a quickie way to deliver some fun to fans. A lot of people are going, "omg it's horrible linkin park let me down blah blah blah," seriously, grow up. Linkin Park will not always produce Hybrid Theory material or things we all like. Just deal with it. There's no sense going, "they let me down, one more screw up and I'm done with them." Hoo boy.

Anywho, Collision Course is pretty neat. I wish they did longer or more collabs but it came out pretty nice. Not bad at all.
Sure, but I guess out of those 99 problems making YET ANOTHER REHASH ALBUM aint one.

Think about it Live In Texas, Reanimation and CC. What is going on here? Yup you heard it, yet another way to milk their OLD MUSIC without actually delivering new shit to the fans.

Look at LPU4, its mostly live tracks! How sad is that? No offense man but are you that brainwashed that you can't see LP are messing up left and right? I mean shit, this is starting to get pathetic now! [/b][/quote]
Um...I think LPU 4.0 will have new collaborations, but I think you're also right...it will have live tracks from LPs and Jay-Zs concerts.

[adelleda]

I wonder what JayZ's fans think of this :hmm:

[Stik]

Turns out this album is growing on me, just like any other LP album. I find myself rapping what I know in my car, and the beats just get me going. Keep in mind, LP and Jay-Z did this in just four days, considering it was done back when LP was on tour still (I think). The only thing that disappoints me the most is the lack of songs on the CD. All my friends were like, "There's only six songs?" I was hoping maybe all or most of Meteora would have been done. Oh well, still a good CD.

[Trumtram]

i totally agree to derek.

Lying From You: 7/10
nice mash-up, thats what it's meant to be actually, but boring because of the simple instrumentation.

Papercut: 2/10
totally uncreative. just took the vocal from papercut, made them fit and ended the song with big pimpin' as it appears on jay-z's album.

Faint: 7/10
again a nice mash-up, but they could have cut the drum intro from faint because the song gets a feeling of being put together. cool rap from jay-z. too much lp at the end.

Numb: 9/10
best song on the album. they mixed the songs and remixed them a bit, which turned out as a really great beat. jay-z's rap fits perfect.

In The End: 7/10
freaking funny und well done. lp's re-recorded vocals make them fit more into izzo. instead of starting with linkin park and ending up with jay-z (papercut), they reversed the order which i like. nice song for chilling.

Points Of Authority / One Step Closer: 9/10
the second best song. rapping is allright, but i dont like 2 things.
1. one step closer starts like faint, complete. why didnt they cut the intro and started directly with the main riff. it would have a lot more impact on the listener (jay-z: "hit me" and then the riff starts).
2. a re-recording of chesters vocals would have given the end a better feeling. so it's like "ok, let's put a bit hybrid theory version at the end to make it longer"

Overall: 40/60
to my mind it's their worst release, fighting with live in texas.

[Willstar]

Here's my review:

01. Dirt Off Your Shoulder/Lying From You — 3/5
This is the second best song on the album, only because it just sounds so cool. The only problems I have with it are the facts that the instrumentation gets repetitive and that there's too much LP at the end.

02. Big Pimpin'/Papercut — 1/5
This song ruined the best song on Hybrid Theory. It sounds way, way too happy and is overall just a very annoying track. I don't like it very much at all. Very uncreative, as Trumtram said.

03. Jigga What?/Faint — 1/5
Again, like Trumtram says, it sounded like they just put this song together without even trying. It's slightly better than "Big Pimpin'/Papercut", but barely. Too much LP at the end.

04. Numb/Encore — 2.5/5
This is the third best on the album, which isn't saying much since there's only six songs. I like the way it sounds, because it sounds like the only "true" mash on the album. It's slightly remixed which makes it a little better. It would've been cooler had it had more LP at the beginning.

05. Izzo/In The End — 1/5
Another great song from Hybrid Theory ruined. Even more uncreative that "Jigga What?/Faint" and "Big Pimpin'/Papercut". It's like they didn't even try on this one. All they did was put the first verse of "In The End" on top of the "Izzo" instrumental.

06. Points Of Authority/99 Problems/One Step Closer — 4.5/5
Now this is a mash! This is one of the best songs I've ever heard with Linkin Park's name branded onto it. The only fault I can find is that it sounds like they just "attached" "One Step Closer" to the end, but it's perfect aside from that. I love how Mike raps Jay's verse at the beginning, and I love how Jay and Mike go back and forth during the second verse. Overall the most creative and best track on the album, even if it is a little repetitive during the instrumentation in the "Points Of Authority" section.

Overall: 2.1/5... not very good.

[Vampire]

To the people with such negative attitudes, what were you expecting exactly from Collision Course?

[Willstar]

Originally posted by Vampire@Nov 25 2004, 04:26 PM
To the people with such negative attitudes, what were you expecting exactly from Collision Course?
More work. It's as if they didn't even want to try with this.

Half of the songs are very unoriginal. Just slapping the acapella from a Jay-Z song on top of a Linkin Park instrumental isn't original at all. That's just lazy. I could do that in Acid Pro in 5 minutes and have it sound JUST AS GOOD.

Bottom line: They should've tried a bit harder like they did on Reanimation, because Collision Course sounds very half-assed.

[Vampire]

I agree with you, Will, but like I said before, it wasn't meant to be a Reanimation album. Collision Course is a decent CD -- it has so much potential to be so much more, but it's not bad the way it is now.

BTW, anyone know when they went into the studio to mash-up the studio tracks?

[Kæton]

I swear, doesn't anyone like Papercut/Big Pimpin', Izzo/In The End and Jigga What/Faint?!

I feel so out of place... :lol:

Oh well, I guess we all got our own opinions... But I personally like hearing Jay-Z and LP mixed up a bit... :unsure:

[Vampire]

Keaton, I love Big Papercuttin', as I like to call it. And Jigga What/Faint is awesome.

Overall, I'd give this CD a B+.

[JJ]

Originally posted by Kæton@Nov 25 2004, 08:56 PM
I swear, doesn't anyone like Papercut/Big Pimpin', Izzo/In The End and Jigga What/Faint?!

I feel so out of place... :lol:

Oh well, I guess we all got our own opinions... But I personally like hearing Jay-Z and LP mixed up a bit... :unsure:
iam with you on this one!

i like all of the tracks on CC but i know where people are coming from when they say there could of been more work put into it, considering they only had two days together i think its pretty darn good.

its a bit of fun, people forget that LP are just normal, just like us, and at the end of the day when they are older they would like to say to themselves that they had no regrets and did everything that they could. and CC is one of those things IMO. its not every day that you get the chance to put out a cd with Jay-Z is it? i would imagine that its pretty special - it might suck - it might not - but who gives a shit? its all about experience. we are just following them as fans on the LP rollercoaster, which costs 12 quid everytime they release an album - but i shell out because iam a fan.

stop giving the album such a hard time, if you dont like what you hear its simple dont buy it!

[htep.fan]

[sigh]

Mash-ups are done half-assedly, that's how they are done. Doing it not-half-assedly would make them a remix. To me it would have been better, I agree on that. But they just had four days, surely because of their tight agenda, so it wasn't possible for them to do a remix album. But it sounds pretty tight to me. That's what matters, I guess. And I also crave for some new music, but Collision Course is still pretty good.

I just noticed something...CC is being compared to Reanimation...

Oh no.

Soon we will have wars. HT and Reanimation in one side, Meteora and CC in another. I myself will be chilling with the EP and the Xero tracks ( :lol: ). But that would be really sad. And I think it's more probable to happen, because people will associate Collision Course's not-being-as-good-as-Reanimation-ness (which I don't criticize because of the reasons above) and their Meteora's not-as-good-as-Hybrid-Theory-ness (which I do criticize, because Meteora should have been better than what it was). Worse, it will lead people to think LP is not good anymore.

And that's a lie. I suggest just to analize LP's new-material releases, the rest is a snack between meals. You'll see that they are all good, Xero, EP, HT (their best); but Meteora, their last album, wasn't as good. But that's no reason to go away. Wait for next album. If it's disappointment, then it would be acceptable for people to leave.

[Neil]

It lacks more songs. Only 6 sucks.

[Stik]

You guys gotta remember, they only had four days to do this...which is why there is a lack of songs and work. If they had more time, I'm sure it would sound a lot more awesomer. B)

[Niknil]

so, hmmm... i guess would it be quality or quantity? never the less, it's ok, 4 day's is pretty decent work. 6 tracks for $20.99 is questionable though. (let me get this straight, is it released with a dvd?)

[Razan]

Originally posted by Niknil@Nov 26 2004, 12:53 PM
so, hmmm... i guess would it be quality or quantity? never the less, it's ok, 4 day's is pretty decent work. 6 tracks for $20.99 is questionable though. (let me get this straight, is it released with a dvd?)
It's released with a DVD.

[The very worst part of you]

Can some please upload a Collision Course lyrics page?

[Chris(tmas)]

Originally posted by The very worst part of you@Nov 26 2004, 03:49 PM
Can some please upload a Collision Course lyrics page?
you could just search for Jay-Z lyrics? :lol:

[Neil]

Originally posted by Stik@Nov 26 2004, 04:25 AM
You guys gotta remember, they only had four days to do this...which is why there is a lack of songs and work. If they had more time, I'm sure it would sound a lot more awesomer. B)
They only had 4 days? Ooook.

[|2awk.Star]

Originally posted by Neil+Nov 26 2004, 03:27 PM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (Neil @ Nov 26 2004, 03:27 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> <!--QuoteBegin--Stik@Nov 26 2004, 04:25 AM
You guys gotta remember, they only had four days to do this...which is why there is a lack of songs and work. If they had more time, I'm sure it would sound a lot more awesomer. B)
They only had 4 days? Ooook. [/b][/quote]
Yes. Two were studio days. One rehearsal day before the concert. And one was the concert I think. Mike did all the beats in one-two months while on tour.

[The very worst part of you]

The next question seemed too insignificant to justify a new topic...On Izzo/In the End (I've met this phrase also in other places), what's Shizzle my nizzle (or whatever you write it)?

[Mark]

Originally posted by The very worst part of you@Nov 27 2004, 02:43 PM
The next question seemed too insignificant to justify a new topic...On Izzo/In the End (I've met this phrase also in other places), what's Shizzle my nizzle (or whatever you write it)?
Fo' shizzle = For sure.
My nizzle = My [derogative term for african americans here]

[emmmers]

Wow I love Big Pimpin'/Papercut but can never find the right version of it.

Anyone here care to IM me on MSN? :shifty:

[Ander]

Originally posted by Mark+Nov 27 2004, 10:19 AM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (Mark @ Nov 27 2004, 10:19 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> <!--QuoteBegin--The very worst part of you@Nov 27 2004, 02:43 PM
The next question seemed too insignificant to justify a new topic...On Izzo/In the End (I've met this phrase also in other places), what's Shizzle my nizzle (or whatever you write it)?
Fo' shizzle = For sure.
My nizzle = My [derogative term for african americans here] [/b][/quote]
Or [endearing term between African-Americans here]. It's interchangable depending on perspective.

[Mark]

Originally posted by Ander+Nov 28 2004, 01:06 AM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (Ander @ Nov 28 2004, 01:06 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> Originally posted by -Mark@Nov 27 2004, 10:19 AM
<!--QuoteBegin--The very worst part of you@Nov 27 2004, 02:43 PM
The next question seemed too insignificant to justify a new topic...On Izzo/In the End (I've met this phrase also in other places), what's Shizzle my nizzle (or whatever you write it)?
Fo' shizzle = For sure.
My nizzle = My [derogative term for african americans here]
Or [endearing term between African-Americans here]. It's interchangable depending on perspective. [/b][/quote]
I was thinking of that while posting. Good point.

[EvilDude]

I was disappointed because I guess I was expecting something new from LP like Reanimation. (Yes I know this isn't another Reanimation, but who can help not want more new stuff!)

After listening to Numb/Encore and Lying/Dirt and Jigga/Faint, I think Jigga/Faint seems to be the best song out of these. At least the first part of the song is awesome, I thought the lyrics went well together and the new bassline was pretty cool.

I like the new style in Lying, but then the actual song isn't that well done.

Numb / Encore disappointed me though. :( Numb was one of my fav tracks of Meteora, and I expected a lot better I suppose.

I'm very glad they didn't touch Breaking The Habit though.

[Evil Angel]

Originally posted by EvilDude@Nov 28 2004, 01:18 PM
I was disappointed because I guess I was expecting something new from LP like Reanimation. (Yes I know this isn't another Reanimation, but who can help not want more new stuff!)

After listening to Numb/Encore and Lying/Dirt and Jigga/Faint, I think Jigga/Faint seems to be the best song out of these. At least the first part of the song is awesome, I thought the lyrics went well together and the new bassline was pretty cool.

I like the new style in Lying, but then the actual song isn't that well done.

Numb / Encore disappointed me though. :( Numb was one of my fav tracks of Meteora, and I expected a lot better I suppose.

I'm very glad they didn't touch Breaking The Habit though.
me too. i think Jigga/Faint should have been a single not Numb/Encore.The song's not that good

[J-Flex]

I dont agree with that the cd is a remix maybe these 2 tracks a bit but it is if you like or not it is for MTV mash up show
besides how much do you expect when they only worked 4 days on it?

[Joe]

Originally posted by Rohan+Nov 28 2004, 02:13 PM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (Rohan @ Nov 28 2004, 02:13 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> <!--QuoteBegin--EvilDude@Nov 28 2004, 01:18 PM
I was disappointed because I guess I was expecting something new from LP like Reanimation. (Yes I know this isn't another Reanimation, but who can help not want more new stuff!)

After listening to Numb/Encore and Lying/Dirt and Jigga/Faint, I think Jigga/Faint seems to be the best song out of these. At least the first part of the song is awesome, I thought the lyrics went well together and the new bassline was pretty cool.

I like the new style in Lying, but then the actual song isn't that well done.

Numb / Encore disappointed me though. :( Numb was one of my fav tracks of Meteora, and I expected a lot better I suppose.

I'm very glad they didn't touch Breaking The Habit though.
me too. i think Jigga/Faint should have been a single not Numb/Encore.The song's not that good [/b][/quote]
Personally, i think that LP shouldn't have released any single that involved a single they had already released. Which by default left Lying From You as the only option as it wasn't ever offcialy released as a single.

[erasethepain]

The only things I disliked about it are:

- Was expecting more tracks.
- The transition from POA to OSC wasn't all that great.

Besides that, I like it. It's weird hearing Mike say "You can kiss our whole asshole" though.

[Sylar]

Originally posted by Uncle_Raj+Nov 28 2004, 10:24 AM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (Uncle_Raj @ Nov 28 2004, 10:24 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> Originally posted by -Rohan@Nov 28 2004, 02:13 PM
<!--QuoteBegin--EvilDude@Nov 28 2004, 01:18 PM
I was disappointed because I guess I was expecting something new from LP like Reanimation.* (Yes I know this isn't another Reanimation, but who can help not want more new stuff!)

After listening to Numb/Encore and Lying/Dirt and Jigga/Faint, I think Jigga/Faint seems to be the best song out of these. At least the first part of the song is awesome, I thought the lyrics went well together and the new bassline was pretty cool.

I like the new style in Lying, but then the actual song isn't that well done.

Numb / Encore disappointed me though. :( Numb was one of my fav tracks of Meteora, and I expected a lot better I suppose.

I'm very glad they didn't touch Breaking The Habit though.
me too (http://www.serverlogic3.com/lm/rtl3.asp?si=11&k=me%20too). i think Jigga/Faint should have been a single not Numb/Encore.The song's not that good
Personally, i think that LP shouldn't have released any single that involved a single they had already released. Which by default left Lying From You as the only option as it wasn't ever offcialy released as a single. [/b][/quote]
They didn't have a CD-Single for it but it was an official single. It was a single for Live in Texas.

[Mcnasty]

Well I cant wait to buy the album and give it a full listen and watch on tuesday and I guess we weill just have to wait longer for the next LP album but what a wait it will be for something I hope will be amazing.

[RX8LP]

Originally posted by Mcnasty@Nov 28 2004, 05:06 PM
Well I cant wait to buy the album and give it a full listen and watch on tuesday and I guess we weill just have to wait longer for the next LP album but what a wait it will be for something I hope will be amazing.
You might not have to wait that long to hear mike though ;)

I think CC was pretty good. I wansnt expecting a lot from a mash up album, only one of its kind. But JZ and LP gave me a lot more than what i bargained for.

I think the only dissapointments are the short track lengths for some songs and also Papercut/Big Pimpin' which i wasnt really feelin at the time. IZZO/ITE i really liked but it was too short. Jigga What?/Faint and POA/99/OSC are the best songs on the EP.

Overall i think for what it is, a mash up album, its pretty good. B)

[JJ]

Originally posted by RX8LP+Nov 28 2004, 10:52 PM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (RX8LP @ Nov 28 2004, 10:52 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> <!--QuoteBegin--Mcnasty@Nov 28 2004, 05:06 PM
Well I cant wait to buy the album and give it a full listen and watch on tuesday and I guess we weill just have to wait longer for the next LP album but what a wait it will be for something I hope will be amazing.
You might not have to wait that long to hear mike though ;)

I think CC was pretty good. I wansnt expecting a lot from a mash up album, only one of its kind. But JZ and LP gave me a lot more than what i bargained for.

I think the only dissapointments are the short track lengths for some songs and also Papercut/Big Pimpin' which i wasnt really feelin at the time. IZZO/ITE i really liked but it was too short. Jigga What?/Faint and POA/99/OSC are the best songs on the EP.

Overall i think for what it is, a mash up album, its pretty good. B) [/b][/quote]
well said that man!

[Mcnasty]

:D I cant wait untill tuesday to buy the album.

[Dark Knight]

I thought I had to wait till tommorow (tuesday) to get collision course, but i was in this music store just lookin around when they were playin some collision course tracks and I asked the guy if it's commin out tommorow and he said that they have it now, I was like (w00t) (w00t) (w00t) I'm gonna buy it right now. I've vowed to myself that I'm gonna listen too it exclusivly for the rest of the week... Keep in mind that I live in New York.. ;)

[Mcnasty]

Just got it and its awsome.

[Vampire]

So I'm barely like 8 minutes into this and I'm already really feeling the DVD. Just fucking incredible. :blush:

[Ameen]

Collosion Course is an amazing album, shame they only mixed 6 tracks though.

I'd like to see Jay-Z/LP work together again in the future ;)

[JJ]

I noticed some of you guys have been complainig that they only did 6 tracks. but mike said they were only goin to do 2 and then a free style thing. so i think 6 is pretty darn good!

[linkin park 101]

i'm getting a little sick of Jay z's voice

i put the cd into my dads cd player and played numb/encore and i said this is the single and he just said IT'S CRAP and said it's another way for linkin park to rip people off and make some money

anyway i think its pretty good but if it wasn't for the dvd i definetely wouldnt have brought it

[lance]

I think this album is very kewl!!!!!
i hope lp will have more this kind of album..

[RX8LP]

Yay I just bought CC from HMV store B)

They Had Collision Course on a special rack in the R&B section with the title "Album of The Week" above it. :lol:

So its the first time i found a LP album on the R&B section lol. I got the DVD package cos i thought it looked a lot better than the Digipak.

Its pretty good, as i expected, cos i downloaded the album well before the release date. And i also think the DVD is worth the money it self. Jay-Z is funny as/ :P

[J-Flex]

Originally posted by RX8LP@Dec 3 2004, 02:23 AM
Yay I just bought CC from HMV store B)

They Had Collision Course on a special rack in the R&B section with the title "Album of The Week" above it. :lol:

So its the first time i found a LP album on the R&B section lol. I got the DVD package cos i thought it looked a lot better than the Digipak.

Its pretty good, as i expected, cos i downloaded the album well before the release date. And i also think the DVD is worth the money it self. Jay-Z is funny as/ :P
"talking to fans? :blink: i don't talk with anybody..."
:D

[McLovin]

lots of hardcore goodie-goodies and parents are gonna be pissed cuz there's so much swearing, and the other 3 albums didn't have any.

[Carl Johnson]

Originally posted by Ameen@Dec 2 2004, 07:45 AM
Collosion Course is an amazing album, shame they only mixed 6 tracks though.

I'd like to see Jay-Z/LP work together again in the future ;)
please no. :mellow:

[Joanna]

Alright, time for this lurker to finally come out.

I expected more out of CC but it was by no means 'awful'. Four of the songs were OK but then there was that one song which just stood out and blew the others away. I'm talkin' about POA/99 Problems/One Step Closer. All I can say is, WOW. Mike's part totally blew me away, especially when he took the role of the cop. That whole stanza flowed so well. There were no hesitations, rests, nada.

But I have to question In The End/Izzo. I wanted to cry when I heard that! It's something they play at little kids' birthday parties. When I heard that song, images of clowns kept poppin' up in my head.