The ""Truth"" about Marilyn Manson

[Mechanical Christ]

The ""Truth"" about MM (http://www.johnnyleeclary.com/manson.htm)

As told by a christian, so boys and girls, don't take it to heart, especially the fans.


I don't know if there is any truth to it. I don't think so. There ARE some parts which are true, especially the case about the whole rubbing thing.


Personally, it doesn't affect the fact that I do enjoy his music, but it might affect some other fans out there =/ I dunno if he really is a Anti-Christ. Everything stated and the photos in that article might be just stage antics for shock purposes only. :wth:

(Sorry if I offended anyone posting this, and if it's in the wrong forum.)

[Vampire]

I was going to take the time to read this but I scrolled to the bottom and noticed they blame Manson for the Columbine incident. That's all people want to do when bad things happen -- find someone to blame. I say blame the parents if you really want to. The article reeks of bullshit.

[Razan]

They blame Manson for the Columbine incident.That's all people want to do when bad things happen -- find someone to blame. I say blame the parents if you really want to. The article reeks of bullshit.

Exactly and in the end they found out the peolpe hated Marylin Manson!

[Mechanical Christ]

Originally posted by Vampire@Nov 18 2004, 07:38 AM
I was going to take the time to read this but I scrolled to the bottom and noticed they blame Manson for the Columbine incident. That's all people want to do when bad things happen -- find someone to blame. I say blame the parents if you really want to. The article reeks of bullshit.
I agree. The incident had absolutely nothing to do with him. At all. It was those children who chose to interpret his music the way THEY wanted to. :wth: And Manson didn't take the gun (or whatever they used to kill the other people) and put it into their hands and say "Go kill them" right?



And, Vampire, it comes from a Christian reverend, what else would you expect but bullshit? :lol:

[Vampire]

I thought it might be a break away from the typical "Let's blame Manson for all bad things" article. I was definitely wrong.

[Razan]

Ofcourse they blame Marylin Manson instead of looking into the childrens' lives and checking if something was wrong with their, parents, health, bullying at school...NO Marylin Manson is way easier.
I bet anything they had horrible/ignoring parents.

But the article does make me want to throw my copy away even if I'm not Christian...telling people to commit suicide! Something must be wrong with the guy.

Blaming music is just a really poor excuse.

They blamed LP for something like this which is absurd because the parents don't know how much it helps us and how much we depend on it. Not how much we want to kill ourselves.
I can admit I wanted to once but I know it's wrong now because of my own judgement.

[Mechanical Christ]

Originally posted by Spiked@Nov 18 2004, 08:36 AM

But the article does make me want to throw my copy away even if I'm not Christian...
NO DON'T THROW IT AWAY GIVE IT TO MEEEE!!!!

[Neil]

This may be slightly off topic, but how could they blame MM for the Columbine shootings? If the kids got their hands on guns, that's the fault of the goddamn parents, and the parents should be responsible.

On a side note, that site is designed and layed out really badly.

These religious bullshitters need to realize that Brian Warner is nothing but a form of entertainment, and poses no real threat to anyone. This is another example of why I hate religion so much.

His favorite author's include Anton LaVey, Freidrick Nietzsche, Aliester Crowley, Charles Darwin and Roald Dahl

It's funny because Roald Dahl wrote children's books like 'The BFG' and 'James and the Giant Peach'

As a child, Marilyn would play near the butcher's shop which was across the street from his parent's home. He once found an aborted baby in a coffee can behind the building.
^^That's good. How does that make him evil?

When the band opened for NIN Manson was kneeling down singing and a member of NIN walked up to him with his penis hanging out. Seeing the offered item Manson put the penis in his mouth.
Hmm, I hardly think that Trent would do that, and his live backup band wouldn't do that either. That's a rumor. Ask Casey, he would know more if it involved NiN

Manson Preching Satanism (under pic)
That's a caption from a music video or something. Antichrist superstar was a song or album or something.

You talk about wicked satanic, blasphemy! Trent Reznor is personally responsible for the "huge-mainstream" success of the "pervereted-blasphemous-satanist" Marilyn Manson.
What the hell does Trent have to do Manson's actions? Once again, this biased prick is fighting with empty points. If that's true, doesn't that mean that every one of psycho's teachers are to blame for their actions? All Trent did was school Manson in music, not this blasphemy crap.

IN HIS OWN WORDS MANSON SAYS:

"I've always had a desire to be provocative and to make people think, but it wouldn't be any challenge for me just to be shocking. That is where it begins for me, not where it stops. And I could be much more shocking. I think I've adopted a sense of subtlety. I don't sit around wondering how I can make myself even stranger to the world. I've simply evolved into the monster I created, and I'm quite happy with it."

This one is off topic from what I'm ranting about, but he's original and that's how he sells to the public. Look how successful he is. He's only doing what people want to pay to see and hear. Otherwise I'll bet he wouldn't do it.

This site is incredibly biased, and is completely appalling. Hell, I don't even like Marilyn Manson all that much, but still, that site was bullshit. Goddamn Christians....

[Mechanical Christ]

Originally posted by Neil@Nov 18 2004, 01:29 PM
On a side note, that site is designed and layed out really badly.

You're right :wth: Didn't notice it



And also, not that I am on the side of the moron who wrote that, but sometimes it seems like a little more than just "entertainment"....just wondering. Preaching about Satanity, telling them to kill their parents, ripping up a bible, etc... It seems a bit too extreme. But I think it might be just some things for shock purposes only. Like SlipKnot. (If you're 555 then I'm 666, the nonagram/nine-sided pentagram)

[Jamie]

:lol: :lol: That has to be the funniest thing ive read all week!

How can he be blamed for a shooting? I mean what the hell!?

It's like me saying to someone..Oh I'm gunna shoot you, and I'm gunna blame Marilyn Manson, and you'll ask me why? and i'll say, because hes to blame for everything bad..Its just pathetic

[Neil]

Originally posted by Jamie@Nov 18 2004, 08:54 AM
It's like me saying to someone..Oh I'm gunna shoot you, and I'm gunna blame Marilyn Manson, and you'll ask me why? and i'll say, because hes to blame for everything bad..Its just pathetic
It was later discovered that they both hated Marilyn Manson

[Razan]

It was later discovered that they both hated Marilyn Manson

Exactly and the site said that while they were shooting they screamed " We love you Marylin Manson" not true!

75% of a Christian school had a copy of his album...awsome :D

But the article does make me want to throw my copy away even if I'm not Christian...*

NO DON'T THROW IT AWAY GIVE IT TO MEEEE!!!!

I was joking it's MINE hehe :rasberry:

The whole article was biased c*** blame the parents all the way! (Maybe not fully but they have ALOT to do with it.)

[Mechanical Christ]

Originally posted by Neil@Nov 18 2004, 01:29 PM
This site is incredibly biased, and is completely appalling. Hell, I don't even like Marilyn Manson all that much, but still, that site was bullshit. Goddamn Christians....
Agreed.


Also, look what he says here. These are the parts that particularly annoyed me:

It was Manson's music that influenced Eric Harris and Dylan Klebold into killing the Christians at Columbine High on April 20th, 1999. If you do not take action, YOUR kids could be Manson's next
victims.

Hello? Might I remind you that if those two boys had a MIND OF THEIR OWN, which I'm sure they did, they wouldn't have been so-called "influenced" by the music, unless Manson has used some sort of brainwashing device in his CDs.


Above photos show the tears of the students and families that lost loved ones at the hands of Manson's followers.

Could have just been from 9/11 right?


WE MUST NOT SIT BACK AND ALLOW THIS DEMONIC BEHAVIOR FROM THE PITS OF HELL TO COME INTO OUR COMMUNITIES ANY LONGER!

I SAY THAT WE MUST DO EVERYTHING WE CAN TO KEEP MARILYN MANSON OUT OF OUR CITIES WHEN HE TRIES TO COME TO OUR TOWNS, BECAUSE THIS IS FOR THE PROTECTION OF OUR CHILDREN!

Dude, get a life.


The way to deal with Manson is this: THE POWER TO STOP MANSON IS IN THE HANDS OF CHRISTIANS. Imagine if the church would unite! Baptists, Pentecostals, Methodists, ect, could all work together to stop this madman from coming into their communities to hold his satanic concerts! For instance, if all the community churches or even some of them would get a few thousand Christians together and converge upon the managers and owners of the convention centers and concert halls that rent them to Manson, and demand that they cancel his contract, this would be effective. Pastors could speak on behalf of the citizens that have assembled and let the managers know that they will boycott their businesses and put them out of business personally, by publicizing their names and the ones who rented out the concert hall to Manson. They could let them know in no uncertain terms that they will hold them personally responsible. Then they could visit all sponsors, advertisers, and places of business that do business with the convention center and urge them to drop all advertising and support from any event put on in that concert hall. This would make the managers think twice about renting their halls to Manson. Also the same march and demonstration could take place right to the local politicians and they could be urged by the VOTING citizens of the community to put pressure on the managers and owners of the concert halls not to rent to Manson. This same tactic can also be done in your local CD shops to get them to stop selling Manson's Cd's.


I don't think it'd work. Seriously. You think a group of mindfucked Christians are going to stop Manson from selling records?


ACT NOW! The future of our children depends on you!

This bit pisses me off. WE CHOOSE TO LISTEN TO IT. OK?

Kurt Cobain is one of the worst ANTI-CHRIST, blasphemers since John Lennon.

Dear me. Kurt must be tossing in his place in Hell now.

Cobain's first band was called "Fecal Matter".

So what? Joey Jordison used to be in a band called Anal Blast.


Parents, this is what YOUR children are listening to when they have this freaks cd's in their possession. I was recently at a Christian school and I asked for a show of hands of students who listened to Manson's music or had his cd's in their possession and about 75% of their hands went up.

Yeah, but the fact remains that we CHOOSE to listen to him.

Well the Rev., says, " Take those cd's, lay them out on the floor, take a hammer, and whack those cd's until they are in little bitty tiny pieces, and then mail those pieces straight to Manson telling him you want nothing more to do with him or his music."

Parent's , if your teenager will not do this on their own, then YOU take the proper leadership role in your home and do it for them! You have every right to do this according to God's Word in Joshua 24:15 "AS FOR ME AND MY HOUSE WE WILL SERVE THE LORD!"

I know that if my mother did that to me, even though she has every right to do this according to God's Word I'd still tell her to fuck off and just take her money and get a new one. But my mom lets me listen to whatever I want, so yeah.


Parents, Manson has not only told the teenagers to commit suicide, but he has encouraged them to take knives and hack their parents to death while they are sleeping, or to take a gun and murder their parents , or kill their parents in anyway that they can.

Have you ever heard of this phrase, FOR FUN?


Man, people like that should be shot along with those lip-synchers.

[Jamie]

Originally posted by Neil+Nov 18 2004, 01:58 PM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (Neil @ Nov 18 2004, 01:58 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> <!--QuoteBegin--Jamie@Nov 18 2004, 08:54 AM
It's like me saying to someone..Oh I'm gunna shoot you, and I'm gunna blame Marilyn Manson, and you'll ask me why? and i'll say, because hes to blame for everything bad..Its just pathetic
It was later discovered that they both hated Marilyn Manson [/b][/quote]
Ah

[Razan]

UndeadMaster put it very well " We chose to listen to it"

We have a mind and don't go killing people...yet people who don't listen to his music like Bush, Saddam, Osama, Sharon are bloody murderers explain that to me.

I gained some respect for MM now *shudders* scarrry!

But why all the Goddamn Christians what did they do? Some hate MM others don't.

Whatever your religion is extremists are horrible!

[peripeteia]

Even though I'm not exactly a fan of MM, i have to say that this is incredibly stupid. reminds me of the time where people were saying that Harry Potter = Devil and even organise book buring sessions! WTF..

[Todd]

And morons like this guy are the reason I hate religion so much, the world would be a better place without extremists like this asshole.


btw, I happen to like MM's music and am also anti-gun/pro-gun control. Looks like I disprove his point :rolleyes:

[ccitb]

wtf! I mean, hello! You can't blame one single person for something like Columbine... that's so stupid. I'm wondering how anyone can even think about that :hmm:
I mean, yeah, he's a reverent. BUT:

I think that even reverents should accept criticism and it's f++ked up that he doesn't even want to receive negative mails.
That is totally naive. hopefully they receive lot of negative mails so they see what they wrote is f++ked up... :shifty:

[Leeuwnie]

This is so stupid!!

The ultimate slap-in-the-face came from Manson as he held a concert just outside of where the Columbine High School Massacre took place in honor of the two maniacal killers. Manson said he was sick of hearing about the Christians like Cassie Bernall and Rachael Scott who died at Columbine. He said the true heroes were Klebold and Harris who killed all of the kids.

I really don't think he said that. When he heared of the Columbine massacre he cancelled a concert in respect.


I just think that guy who wrote it is completely insane! And the stuff Marilyn Manson says (or what he says according to this guy).. I really don't take it that seriously.

[Todd]

Originally posted by Leeuwnie@Nov 18 2004, 10:31 AM
This is so stupid!!

The ultimate slap-in-the-face came from Manson as he held a concert just outside of where the Columbine High School Massacre took place in honor of the two maniacal killers. Manson said he was sick of hearing about the Christians like Cassie Bernall and Rachael Scott who died at Columbine. He said the true heroes were Klebold and Harris who killed all of the kids.

I really don't think he said that. When he heared of the Columbine massacre he cancelled a concert in respect.


I just think that guy who wrote it is completely insane! And the stuff Marilyn Manson says (or what he says according to this guy).. I really don't take it that seriously.
Yet what this asshat fails to mention is that the NRA held a pro-gun rally right near Columbine after the shooting.

[Luke/Hellflame]

Well heres my opinion;
Marilyn Manson uses hig goth look as a Gimmick he has demanded that he IS NOT a satanist.Also its very strange that some of those photos on that webpage look absolutley nothing like Marilyn Manson,even if hes supposed to be younger etc. Its not him.Also photoshop could easily have been used in some of those pictures to make Manson look satanic which is probably why those photos are in black and white to cover up the evidence.About the suicide thing,famous rock artists will do alot of things for publicity wether its biting a bats or a chickens head off,Sh**ing on stage or in this case encourageing teenagers to commit suicide,theres been far worse than that. The burning cross symbol on that stage could be absolutley anything,its more than likely that was a different gathering to some anti-christ belief show and not a Marilyn Manson concert. Manson uses his goth beleifs as a gimmick and nothing more,its actualy been proven that he himself goes to chruch (not a damn satanic one) and is a religous person with beleifs in christianity.

My thoughts are that this website was started by an over paranoid religous person (no offence to any religous people) who hates Marilyn Manson.Such a thing wouldn't be allowed in the media.Just for the record Mariyln Mansons hero was NOT chris Manson,I beleive he looked up to black sabbath and Jimmy Hendrix (As said in a TV interveiw)

Now thats just Manson I'm talking about,don't get me started about that article going into Curt Cobain and John Lennon because thats going too far! Curt Cobain was a great musician and a heavily religous person and I doubt someone from the beatles had any interest in satan.

That website has actualy p***ed me off with its claims and I hope my point has been made.

[Razan]

I never thought of the Beatles as a satanic band either!

The pictures don't look like him at all.
I never noticed it but the structure of his face is different like a triangle. Definately not him.

As for Curt Cobain how do we know he even did that?

The article doesn't make sense they only take rumors and never put facts into consideration.

As for smashing his cd's who in their right mind would smash a cd they bought! If they bought it they would obviously like it..just not logical.

I thought killing people was bad...why did the reveren offer MM a gun to practice what he preaches (kill himself).
The reveren also encouraged people to go into the crowd shoot MM and run away! Not the holy way is it!
Hypocrite.

[Whimsicality]

Marilyn Manson and Trent Reznor of satanic band "Nine Inch Nails" had sexual intercourse.


*dies laughing*


That site is so full of shit it's hilarious. I love how they make a big deal about not sending negative email because everything on the site is "factual" yet a lot of it has been blatently disproven...

[Mark]

Ridiculous religious fanatics.

[Vampire]

:preach: The perfect emoticon for Mr. Reverend.

[Willstar]

Before you begin reading this article, DO NOT email us telling us that this article on Manson is not factual. It is factual and there are plenty of references supplied on this page to support what is written. All email is screened and no negative email will be read by Rev. Clary. He never sees it. Only positive emails are given to him. Your email will not be answered and as soon as we see anything hateful or even negative your email will be deleted and your email address blocked. We are not interested in your opinions if you disagree with what is written. You are wasting your time emailing us as it will be deleted.

Aww, just like good Christians, they ignore anything they don't agree with!!!

[Mark]

Originally posted by Will@Nov 18 2004, 05:30 PM
Before you begin reading this article, DO NOT email us telling us that this article on Manson is not factual. It is factual and there are plenty of references supplied on this page to support what is written. All email is screened and no negative email will be read by Rev. Clary. He never sees it. Only positive emails are given to him. Your email will not be answered and as soon as we see anything hateful or even negative your email will be deleted and your email address blocked. We are not interested in your opinions if you disagree with what is written. You are wasting your time emailing us as it will be deleted.

Aww, just like good Christians, they ignore anything they don't agree with!!!
So understanding of us!

They're like communists, agree or die.

[Ryan]

Originally posted by Mark+Nov 18 2004, 02:15 PM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (Mark @ Nov 18 2004, 02:15 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> <!--QuoteBegin--Will@Nov 18 2004, 05:30 PM
Before you begin reading this article, DO NOT email us telling us that this article on Manson is not factual. It is factual and there are plenty of references supplied on this page to support what is written. All email is screened and no negative email will be read by Rev. Clary. He never sees it. Only positive emails are given to him. Your email will not be answered and as soon as we see anything hateful or even negative your email will be deleted and your email address blocked. We are not interested in your opinions if you disagree with what is written. You are wasting your time emailing us as it will be deleted.

Aww, just like good Christians, they ignore anything they don't agree with!!!
So understanding of us!

They're like communists, agree or die. [/b][/quote]
Yah that's pretty pathetic. They want to try to foce you all this bullshit but aren't open any criticism form what they say. I

t such crap that they think that Marilyn Manson had anything to do with the colombine massacre. First they blame it on bullying then they blame it Manson. What's next, are they gonna try to say that Martha helped those boys out by hooking them up with abunch of insider information. :rolleyes:

[User Name]

So is this going to turn into another religion bash-fest? If it is, then I see no reason why it should be open.

Now, I know I'm probably going to get warned for this, but SOMEONE on here needs to be the voice of reason. When you have admins that are violating their own damn rules, that really tells me something about the people that run this place. Mark, Will, come on. Show some tact, will ya?

[Vampire]

I've gotta agree with Cameron on this. Some of you are making the assumption that all Christians are like this -- it may be the stereotype but not the full truth.

[Link04]

This site makes me absolutely furious. It's people like this that give Christianity a horrible name:

"We as Christians, can not hate individuals, but we certainly must hate sin, and the actions that individuals like Brian Warner do. We have to take a stand against what he does. If you do not agree with this, then you are no Christian. A true Christian will stand against what Marilyn Manson advocates."

Absolute and utter bullshit. I'm a Christian, and I believe this man needs to actually know what "the anti-christ" means before he throws it around in an article. The anti-christ is the one who comes in the name of the Lord, yet is the ultimate deciever. When this thing comes, (if he alread hasn't) I'm sure an ignorant sheep like the author will be one of his followers.



And lastly, I agree with Cameron. The generalizations by Will and Mark were, imo, unnecessary.

[Willstar]

Sorry, I was just being sarcastic. Just my way of replying to something as ridiculous as this site. :)

[Link04]

Yeah, I'll most certainly give you that, the site is 100% manufactured bullshit.

[Kæton]

I didn't read the entire article, but from what I skimmed, this is just a blantant attack where the article is just out to bash the person and not actually give heresay to the actual man behind the gimmick.

Manson's appeal is what makes him a stand alone character in the media today. Manson bows to no one's words and will say what he wants when he wants, and he shows off he isn't afraid to say that religion is non-sense.

But wait, let it be known that Manson uses this as a gimmick in some ways. He may have some same views as in his music, but people like this article author fail to realize one thing... He is an entertainer.

Much like any other entertainer, Manson plays the same role as a gangster would in a rap video. The only difference is that Manson doesn't take on bitches and ho's, no, he takes on a sense of rebellion against religion or acts of it.

Extremist like this guy fail to realize Manson does what he does because people love it and people hate it. Much like surrounding controversy with Eminem. You can say in a song to "smack a bitch," but you can't preach individualism or any type of possible atheist qualities. It's something I don't understand about our society today.

Now again, there is a lot people don't realize about Manson. Manson is in fact a very intellegent man and he is able to explain himself without cursing anyone out or planting any type of ulterior motive in other people's heads. Also, I find it hilarious how Manson was in fact a jock in high school. Now if you think about it, one of the jocks in your school could be the next media named anti-christ, and anyone who thinks the way this author does should be shakin' in their boots, I think.

But yeah, I guess since I have actually taken extra steps to understanding Manson because I had heard before hand all the horrible things about him and I must say he is actually no different between me or the person sitting next to you on the bus. The only thing that's differing is the fact we think differently, but if we all thought one way, then what reason is there to live? I think diversity is one of the best things life can offer you and if you're just going to shove that away and out the window, then you're not really living a good, open life. But that's just my opinion.

I just think guys like this need to realize that the only people you have to blame for things are the parents. I was brought up to understand the line between reality and fiction. I was told the difference between what I see on TV and heard on the radio aside real life. If children today cannot understand the difference, then I think that's a parent's fault for not teaching them what they should know. This world evolves quickly in technology and media and the youth is being corrupted due to the lack of understanding that parents should give their child. So before a parent or anyone for that matter blames an entertainer for doing something they do, they should take a step back and think, "Did I raise my child to know the difference?"

Just my opinion, though.

[x3r09]

why is it always ALL Christians that get blamed for one person saying something?

i really don't like marilyn manson. but i honestly do think that he PROBABLY (not defintely though) is resposible for some "behavior", not columnbine, but then again i don't know. all i have to say is. does it really matter? people will think of marilyn manson the way they want to. and i think their opinion is just as valuable as mine.

but please...stop with the "Christians are stupid" stuff. all this is doing is creating tension between the Christians and the non-Christians. but we are on these forums to have fun..not to start fights :D

[User Name]

Originally posted by x3r09@Nov 18 2004, 03:15 PM
why is it always ALL Christians that get blamed for one person saying something?
Yeah, I don't quite understand it, either.

@ Will: *explodes* USE.SMILEYS. :lol:

[Doctor Manhattan]

Okay, so point # 1, people.

Trent Reznor or any of the members of Nine Inch Nails would never give Manson a blowjob on stage. Call me crazy, but I don't think Reznor would do that. He's much to serious about his work and how people perceive him and his art.

As for Manson preaching at the Church of Satan, that's false as well. He was an Minister there, yeah, but he's never preached before.

http://www.johnnyleeclary.com/mansonpreachinginsatanistchurch.jpg

What the fuck? I know it's the Church of Satan, but I'd like to think you wouldn't just wear anything when you go to the Church. That's a fucking screen cap from a video. Ugh. Also, it looks like Manson is holding a goddamn cake.

Rapes women on stage? Don't you think there would be news articles all over the MTV site, and CNN and shit? Ugh again. This isn't fucking Black Metal people. :rolleyes:

I believe the two kids who shot the kids at Columbine were fans of Rammstein, and the cops found online postings and journal entries or something saying how much they loathed Manson. Shit, go watch Bowling For Columbine. Manson makes a good point in that little piece about him. And wasn't the Trenchcoat Mafia just two people?

And you know this is 100% bullshit, when they say that The Beatles were all OMGSATANWORSHIPERS. And this site even goes as far as to claim Kurt Cobain was a Devil Worshipper, or atleast Anti-Christian aswell.

Also, to my knowledge, Marilyn Manson has never put out a DVD called 'The Birth Of The Anti-Christ'. It's probably one of those unofficial biographies.

Anyways, I'm done.

[Willstar]

Originally posted by Cameron@Nov 18 2004, 06:17 PM
@ Will: *explodes* USE.SMILEYS. :lol:
I honestly thought the three exclamation points would give it away since I never use three. :lol:

[Luke/Hellflame]

Nobody said christains are stupid,Some people were just saying that its not right that some peoples religous beleifs are conjured up into a whole webpage of hate for 1 man without any proper evidence to back up its points.No ones saying christians are stupid,we're just saying this one is :lol: but remember 'Judge not unless ye be judged' and this is judging MM.

[Doctor Manhattan]

Christians as a whole aren't stupid, but this Christian is mighty stupid.

[User Name]

Originally posted by Will+Nov 18 2004, 03:19 PM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (Will @ Nov 18 2004, 03:19 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> <!--QuoteBegin--Cameron@Nov 18 2004, 06:17 PM
@ Will: *explodes* USE.SMILEYS. :lol:
I honestly thought the three exclamation points would give it away since I never use three. :lol: [/b][/quote]
I'll take note of that next time. ;)

[Whimsicality]

Keaton: Great post, especially the last part.

Casey: Breath in. Breath out. Breath in. Breath out. We realize that Reznor did not give Manson a blowjob on stage. Like you said about the raping of women, it would have been all over MTV.

Cameron and Will: GROUP HUG!!! :D
(exclaimations AND a smiley!)

[Zak]

Wow...it surprises me how completely stupid some of you people are. I mean set aside all religion for a second and think about this for one second. What kind of moron kills puppies? What kind of moron rapes women on stage? And maybe it was on MTV, like a long time ago...? Who on earth tells people to commit suicide and kill their parents? Just saying things like: "Well people have done way worse!" Who really cares? Honestly, does that make this thing right? Use your common sense people.

What one of my main concerns is that you support this guy. It blows my mind. Even if the guy is an extremist he has a point, do you want your children ripping up puppies and praising Satan(for all you dumbasses, Satan means not so good)? If you do, you cease to amaze me in your stupidity. Sure, maybe he isn't to blame for Columbine, and maybe theres some exaggerations, but realize the things that are true and how completely stupid this man is.

If you have any sort of grasp on common sense, you'll realize it too.

[Doctor Manhattan]

Give me an article online where it states he's killed puppies or raped woman live on stage, and then I'll believe you.

And no, that site isn't justification enough. He doesn't cite his sources onto where he got the information where Manson has killed puppies, or raped women on stage.

On the matter of Manson telling people to kill themselves, I like to think that if they want to kill themselves, they'd do it for their own reasons, and not because some shock rocker told them so. I can't deny his lyrics promote anti-christianity and suicide, but if you choose to take his lyrics seriously, then you're a moron.

So, in closing, give me some OFFICIAL sources as to where it states Manson has raped women on stage, and killed puppies, and then maybe I'll re-consider how I view Manson.

Oh, and the word 'Artistic Freedom' & 'Freedom of Speech' comes to mind when thinking about promoting Anti-Christianity on his records. ;)

[Kæton]

Well I am a fan of Manson and I have yet to rip a puppy up, rape a female or kill myself.

I also do not worship Satan, but I don't worship God, either, but I do not worship either because an entertainer tells me to, I do it because I have other feelings towards what I should believe.

So what is the exact point?

Again, if you're so afraid of shockers, then I hope you teach your children something along the lines of noticing difference between TV and real life instead of telling them who is wrong and who is right.

edit: For the record, I will support whatever my child believes, thank you. If they want to worship something other than what I do, then so be it, but even if I do not agree with it, I may not partake in their religion, but I will support them.

Just because you do not like something does not mean it's wrong nor does it make it stupid or ignorant in any way.

[Zak]

Originally posted by Casey@Nov 19 2004, 02:56 AM
On the matter of Manson telling people to kill themselves, I like to think that if they want to kill themselves, they'd do it for their own reasons, and not because some shock rocker told them so. I can't deny his lyrics promote anti-christianity and suicide, but if you choose to take his lyrics seriously, then you're a moron.
Ok so what you're saying is it's ok for him to say that because people that kill themselves kill themselves for other reasons and not because he told them to??? Wow...ok...that makes alot of sense.

And if they do kill themselves because of it, they are stupid, but if he didn't say it at all then it just wouldn't happen period.

[Whimsicality]

Originally posted by zakrisk@Nov 18 2004, 11:01 PM
And if they do kill themselves because of it, they are stupid, but if he didn't say it at all then it just wouldn't happen period.
If people killed themselves because Manson, or any other preformer said to, then they had serious problems in the first place.

Think about it. If someone is unstable enough that listening to a song about suicide makes them want to kill themselves, there are millions of other things that would just as easily drive them other the edge.

If anything songs about suicide may even help, IMO, because it gets people thinking and talking, instead of just pretending suicide doesn't exist.

[The Modfather]

Originally posted by zakrisk@Nov 18 2004, 09:52 PM
Wow...it surprises me how completely stupid some of you people are. I mean set aside all religion for a second and think about this for one second. What kind of moron kills puppies? What kind of moron rapes women on stage? And maybe it was on MTV, like a long time ago...? Who on earth tells people to commit suicide and kill their parents? Just saying things like: "Well people have done way worse!" Who really cares? Honestly, does that make this thing right? Use your common sense people.

What one of my main concerns is that you support this guy. It blows my mind. Even if the guy is an extremist he has a point, do you want your children ripping up puppies and praising Satan(for all you dumbasses, Satan means not so good)? If you do, you cease to amaze me in your stupidity. Sure, maybe he isn't to blame for Columbine, and maybe theres some exaggerations, but realize the things that are true and how completely stupid this man is.

If you have any sort of grasp on common sense, you'll realize it too.
Hey, the village called..it wants its religious fanatical moron back.

It 'surprises me completely' that you listen to all the rumours and urban legends about Manson without looking for proof of this. Have you ever seen his concerts? He doesn't rape ANY girl on stage because as you know he would be arrested! The sexual acts would be documented on tape and he would be convicted of first degree rape. Seeing how Manson is still a free man you can know that's just bullshit propagranda and not the truth.

Eminem tells people to kill themselves as a joke, does that mean it should be taken seriously? No. And if anyone takes what Manson or Eminem says for real then they are real idiots who don't deserve to live in the first place. There's a fine line between MUSICAL EXPRESSION and reality. Seems like some ignorant people still have yet to find where that line ends.

The puppy thing is a lie because once again if he really did that, animal protection groups would come in and arrest his ass. You can receive serious jail time for committing acts against animals, and I'm sure if it was documented and true he would've been slapped with a major fine and possibly jail time. None of this is ever documented as happening.

Manson isn't stupid, but you sir I feel are close to it for being all these lies and propaganda against Manson. Maybe YOU need to be the one expressing common sense.

Manson would be in jail if this was true, and he's not so use your head.

[Doctor Manhattan]

Zakrisk, do you also believe that Marilyn Manson had a rib removed so he could suck his own penis?

[Mark]

Holy crap. I think I just got hit with a bag of moronic statements. Excuse me while I recouperate. :rolleyes:

[Doctor Manhattan]

Originally posted by Mark@Nov 18 2004, 09:26 PM
Holy crap. I think I just got hit with a bag of moronic statements. Excuse me while I recouperate. :rolleyes:
:hugz:
















:whistle:

[Mechanical Christ]

:lol: @ Mark

That article said it was factual, yet refused to read any emails proving him wrong...interesting.


And also, the thing that adults don't get is, WE choose to listen to it. WE choose whether we want to be influenced by it. WE choose whether we like the music or not. Taking our CDs and bashing it into "itty bitty little pieces and mailing it back to Manson" WILL NOT, repeat, WILL NOT change our goddamn opinion of Manson. To us, he'd still be a artist we like, whether you smash our CDs or not. Adults always keep thinking, out of sight, out of mind, hence the whole bashing thing, but what they CANNOT get into their stupid heads are, WE WILL NOT FORGET HOW THE MUSIC SOUNDS LIKE EVEN IF YOU TRASH THE CD. WE WEILL STILL REMEMBER WHO MANSON IS AND STILL CONTINUE TO LIKE HIM. They can't seem to understand that. FREEDOM TO CHOOSE OUR OWN MUSIC, goddamit.


and also, the picture of him with boobs...couldn't it have just been like...photoshop??

[Hybrid Theory]

That page is pure rubbish. I don't think he's that screwed up in the head.

[User Name]

Originally posted by Whimsicality@Nov 18 2004, 07:04 PM
Cameron and Will: GROUP HUG!!! :D
(exclaimations AND a smiley!)
But, but, but.. Will has cooties! :x :lol:

[Mechanical Christ]

Originally posted by Cameron+Nov 19 2004, 04:11 AM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (Cameron @ Nov 19 2004, 04:11 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> <!--QuoteBegin--Whimsicality@Nov 18 2004, 07:04 PM
Cameron and Will: GROUP HUG!!! :D
(exclaimations AND a smiley!)
But, but, but.. Will has cooties! :x :lol: [/b][/quote]
LOL :lol:

[Razan]

And if they do kill themselves because of it, they are stupid, but if he didn't say it at all then it just wouldn't happen period.

HAHAHA!!! (w00t)

Do you really think that if MM stopped telling people to kill themselves there would be no suicide acts!!

You're calling people stupid while you belive everything that guy tells you. MM never raped woman or any of that stuff.
Maybe he did, I wasn't there but were you?

I don't belive what the media tells you while you're beliving everything this guy is saying.

This is utter nonesense how people belive everything they hear.

In school if you use the excuse "He told me to do it" the teacher would scold you and say:
"If he told you to jump off a building would you do it. You have your own mind and I will punish you".
What hypocrites now they're blaming MM for what happened in Columbine! I thought we had our own mind ;)

[Zak]

Originally posted by Derek+Nov 19 2004, 03:19 AM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (Derek @ Nov 19 2004, 03:19 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> <!--QuoteBegin--zakrisk@Nov 18 2004, 09:52 PM
Wow...it surprises me how completely stupid some of you people are. I mean set aside all religion for a second and think about this for one second. What kind of moron kills puppies? What kind of moron rapes women on stage? And maybe it was on MTV, like a long time ago...? Who on earth tells people to commit suicide and kill their parents? Just saying things like: "Well people have done way worse!" Who really cares? Honestly, does that make this thing right? Use your common sense people.

What one of my main concerns is that you support this guy. It blows my mind. Even if the guy is an extremist he has a point, do you want your children ripping up puppies and praising Satan(for all you dumbasses, Satan means not so good)? If you do, you cease to amaze me in your stupidity. Sure, maybe he isn't to blame for Columbine, and maybe theres some exaggerations, but realize the things that are true and how completely stupid this man is.

If you have any sort of grasp on common sense, you'll realize it too.
Hey, the village called..it wants its religious fanatical moron back.

It 'surprises me completely' that you listen to all the rumours and urban legends about Manson without looking for proof of this. Have you ever seen his concerts? He doesn't rape ANY girl on stage because as you know he would be arrested! The sexual acts would be documented on tape and he would be convicted of first degree rape. Seeing how Manson is still a free man you can know that's just bullshit propagranda and not the truth.

Eminem tells people to kill themselves as a joke, does that mean it should be taken seriously? No. And if anyone takes what Manson or Eminem says for real then they are real idiots who don't deserve to live in the first place. There's a fine line between MUSICAL EXPRESSION and reality. Seems like some ignorant people still have yet to find where that line ends.

The puppy thing is a lie because once again if he really did that, animal protection groups would come in and arrest his ass. You can receive serious jail time for committing acts against animals, and I'm sure if it was documented and true he would've been slapped with a major fine and possibly jail time. None of this is ever documented as happening.

Manson isn't stupid, but you sir I feel are close to it for being all these lies and propaganda against Manson. Maybe YOU need to be the one expressing common sense.

Manson would be in jail if this was true, and he's not so use your head. [/b][/quote]
If you read what I said I told you to set religion aside and read it. I'm not a religious fanatic. I know that I have seen MM on the news before dressed in womens clothes and doing all these weird things and it wasn't quite unbelievable that all those things would be true. I'm not saying I believe all of it, but people are replying that it's ok for him to say it as long as he doesn't mean it. .IMO, thats rediculous.

[Maëlle]

Dear Zakrisk,

I would be tempted to flame you for your stupidity, but instead I thought it'd be more funny (and mature) to write you this short letter. You are probably wondering who I am, but I woudn't like other people to become bored with a long presentation of myself. Without further ado (shit, is ado the right word? :unsure: ), let me begin.

Didn't you think one second that this is all a game? Didn't you think one second that instead of ''fighting'' against MM and his actions you are actually encouraging them? Didn't you realize that MM wants you to react this way? Didn't you realize that as long as people continue to react as you presently are, MM will be a happy artist? That he'll sell even more records? If people didn't give a fuck (sorry for my language)about the way he acts, it would have been a long time we'd not have heard from him? (I don't know if my english was correct on that one) Didn't you realize that you help him to stay alive even more than the kid living in the middle of Arkansas, who bought his record and listened to it in his discman on the way to school and just put it back in his bag when his maths class begun?

''If you have any sort of grasp on common sense, you'll realize it too.''


Maëlle

[Todd]

Originally posted by zakrisk@Nov 19 2004, 07:29 AM
If you read what I said I told you to set religion aside and read it. I'm not a religious fanatic. I know that I have seen MM on the news before dressed in womens clothes and doing all these weird things and it wasn't quite unbelievable that all those things would be true. I'm not saying I believe all of it, but people are replying that it's ok for him to say it as long as he doesn't mean it. .IMO, thats rediculous.
Um, a lot of men dress in womens clothes. Yeah, it weird, but it doesnt automatically mean they're a violent rapist. If Marilyn Manson did half of the things this moron says he did, MM would be in jail right now and wouldn't be getting out for a long time.

In regards to your last comment, it is OK for him to say it and not mean it, its called a joke. Go look it up in the dictionary. If he jokingly says something about someone else or jokingly says something, that's OK. Any sane person knows that MM telling everyone to go kill themselves (not saying he has though) is merely a joke and won't go kill themselves because MM said to. Anyone who does take him seriously has some mental issues and would have killed himself anyways, the religious right is just using MM as a scapegoat in that situation because its easier for them to blame someone else than to look at the kid's own problems.

[The Modfather]

Originally posted by Todd+Nov 19 2004, 11:11 AM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (Todd @ Nov 19 2004, 11:11 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> <!--QuoteBegin--zakrisk@Nov 19 2004, 07:29 AM
If you read what I said I told you to set religion aside and read it. I'm not a religious fanatic. I know that I have seen MM on the news before dressed in womens clothes and doing all these weird things and it wasn't quite unbelievable that all those things would be true. I'm not saying I believe all of it, but people are replying that it's ok for him to say it as long as he doesn't mean it. .IMO, thats rediculous.
Um, a lot of men dress in womens clothes. Yeah, it weird, but it doesnt automatically mean they're a violent rapist. If Marilyn Manson did half of the things this moron says he did, MM would be in jail right now and wouldn't be getting out for a long time.

In regards to your last comment, it is OK for him to say it and not mean it, its called a joke. Go look it up in the dictionary. If he jokingly says something about someone else or jokingly says something, that's OK. Any sane person knows that MM telling everyone to go kill themselves (not saying he has though) is merely a joke and won't go kill themselves because MM said to. Anyone who does take him seriously has some mental issues and would have killed himself anyways, the religious right is just using MM as a scapegoat in that situation because its easier for them to blame someone else than to look at the kid's own problems. [/b][/quote]
This is why I'm almost ashamed to be christian. Most of the heavy religious people are complete nuts with a few screws loose, who think Jesus is going to step down from the sky and smite us all if we dont appease him.

Okay so there's violent rapes and murders everyday (that Manson has never EVER been documented in the papers as committing), and genocide across the world and yet Jesus hasn't done anything about it? Right.

Notice that the person in that site is not going to give anyone else's opinion even a REMOTE chance. It's because he knows that given the right sources he'll be proved completely wrong, and he's too arrogant to accept the truth.

So wearing woman's clothing makes you a rapist, huh? I guess we can count the lead singer of HIM and that guy from The Rasmus as rapers and puppy killers too then? Give me a break.

There's such a thing as Glam rock, look it up. K, thanks.

[Kæton]

Maëlle is right (as well as others, too). The more you oppose Manson, the more people will be curious as to all the hype. I know I was. I was interested to see just WHAT WAS the worst Manson had done. Know what was the worse I've found him to do? Absolutely nothing. Manson stands on his own, he is in there to "shock" the world, he "shocks" the world because he is an entertainer.

People don't seem to understand entertainment. I am highly entertained when listening to Manson's music and a lot of others as well. What I don't get is why people take it seriously. Some artists want to be serious, because yes, music is an act of self-expression, but you fail to realize the difference. If you cannot realize when an artist is doing what he is known for and being serious, then you have NO right to say anything.

People blame people like Manson for everything because they do not want to accept the fact their ways haven't kept their world "clean." I notice in society, if you ever go against a groups words, you are in fact "evil," or not working towards a "better life." What a bunch of BS.

Here's an idea: Don't like it? Don't listen to it, but don't try and change people's ideas with ignorant statements with no proof. I may not like some of the rap music out there now days talking about bitches and hos, but I am definately not going to say they can't rap about that--why? It's entertainment and there ARE people out there who enjoy listening to it. It's not my style, but I've lived to accept it. Some thick headed people need to get that through and have it stick there instead of whining everytime someone says something they don't like.

[Zak]

First off, I never said because MM dresses in womens closes hes a violent rapist. When I wrote that last comment I knew that rumor wasn't true. If you actually read what I said I said that it wasn't too unbelievable since I've seen him doing many weird things before. I have a good friend that is a fan of MM and I was discussing it with him and he told me all of the rumors that weren't true, basically all of them listed on that page.

I know absolutely nothing about MM and reading that article I wasn't interested in putting a stop to him as much as I was just reading about what he's like, since I always thought he looked like a freak, and automatically reading that article I believed it because I've heard of him doing weird things like that before. Please excuse me if I overreacted a little.

Again, I'm not a religious fanatic...by all means...I just have opinions like everyone else and I still think that he's a freak. But I'll believe what I want and you can believe what you want. Honestly I dont really care if everyone in the world listens to his music. I just dont care for it.

[Doctor Manhattan]

If you think Manson is a 'freak', I hope you never see some Black Metal bands/fans.

[Maëlle]

Funny how one reformulate his thoughts to make them look 'softer' when he realizes people don't agree with him :rolleyes:

[Zak]

Originally posted by Maëlle@Nov 19 2004, 10:17 PM
Funny how one reformulate his thoughts to make them look 'softer' when he realizes people don't agree with him :rolleyes:
How bout how people reformulate their thoughts when they look into it more?

[erasethepain]

I agree, he's just trying to entertain. Some of his music is pretty serious, but people don't try to understand what he is saying, so they automatically think he's possesed or something.

[Futuristic]

I think so many people are blaming MM for Columbine is because he's basically a poster boy for fear. It so much easier to slap his face on the whole incident, then to dig deeper and find the real cause for the shhoting. People balme MM because he's so EASY to blame. He makes a point to look and act different from anyone else. People would rather blame him for the incident than to dig deeper. Sure, MM says things in his songs that some people would consider offensive. And his songs talk about suicide and killing people, but if people take what he says literally, that's their fault. To take the leap from screaming along with the stuff he sings about and then actually doing it is no fault of MM's.

[越南]

Actually , they were celebrating hitler's birthday when they were doing it..
Really had nothing to do with Marilyn Manson...

[Mechanical Christ]

Originally posted by Kæton@Nov 19 2004, 07:04 PM
Here's an idea: Don't like it? Don't listen to it, but don't try and change people's ideas with ignorant statements with no proof. I may not like some of the rap music out there now days talking about bitches and hos, but I am definately not going to say they can't rap about that--why? It's entertainment and there ARE people out there who enjoy listening to it.
It's like this thing with Christians. On the whole I have no problem with them, but when they try to get me to believe what the believe, try to get me to go to church and stuff, then I get pissed. It's like...believe what you want but don't "try and change people's ideas with ignorant statements with no proof." :whistle:

[Maëlle]

Originally posted by zakrisk+Nov 19 2004, 06:20 PM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (zakrisk @ Nov 19 2004, 06:20 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteBegin--Maëlle@Nov 19 2004, 10:17 PM
Funny how one reformulate his thoughts to make them look 'softer' when he realizes people don't agree with him :rolleyes:
How bout how people reformulate their thoughts when they look into it more?[/b][/quote]
Sorry, but you were the only one reformulating your thoughts to look less 'harsh' (Will I ever find the right word?!), nobody else did.

[Zak]

Originally posted by Maëlle+Nov 20 2004, 03:05 AM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (Maëlle @ Nov 20 2004, 03:05 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> Originally posted by -zakrisk@Nov 19 2004, 06:20 PM
<!--QuoteBegin--Maëlle@Nov 19 2004, 10:17 PM
Funny how one reformulate his thoughts to make them look 'softer' when he realizes people don't agree with him :rolleyes:
How bout how people reformulate their thoughts when they look into it more?
Sorry, but you were the only one reformulating your thoughts to look less 'harsh' (Will I ever find the right word?!), nobody else did. [/b][/quote]
...I certainly wasn't changing my mind when people didn't agree with me, since when I made the statement I was the one disagreeing. I talked with my friend and he told me what the real truth was and so I came back and posted again, but if you think it was because I was trying to be 'less harsh' then ok man. :rolleyes:

[Ryan]

Originally posted by UndeadMaster+Nov 19 2004, 07:50 PM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (UndeadMaster @ Nov 19 2004, 07:50 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> <!--QuoteBegin--Kæton@Nov 19 2004, 07:04 PM
Here's an idea: Don't like it? Don't listen to it, but don't try and change people's ideas with ignorant statements with no proof. I may not like some of the rap music out there now days talking about bitches and hos, but I am definately not going to say they can't rap about that--why? It's entertainment and there ARE people out there who enjoy listening to it.
It's like this thing with Christians. On the whole I have no problem with them, but when they try to get me to believe what the believe, try to get me to go to church and stuff, then I get pissed. It's like...believe what you want but don't "try and change people's ideas with ignorant statements with no proof." :whistle: [/b][/quote]
Exactly, don't try and force your opinions on me. I don't need you trying to shove it down my throught. That's exactly how i feel aobut hardcore religious people.

[Maëlle]

Originally posted by zakrisk+Nov 20 2004, 12:02 AM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (zakrisk @ Nov 20 2004, 12:02 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'>Originally posted by -Maëlle@Nov 20 2004, 03:05 AM
Originally posted by -zakrisk@Nov 19 2004, 06:20 PM
<!--QuoteBegin--Maëlle@Nov 19 2004, 10:17 PM
Funny how one reformulate his thoughts to make them look 'softer' when he realizes people don't agree with him :rolleyes:
How bout how people reformulate their thoughts when they look into it more?
Sorry, but you were the only one reformulating your thoughts to look less 'harsh' (Will I ever find the right word?!), nobody else did.
...I certainly wasn't changing my mind when people didn't agree with me, since when I made the statement I was the one disagreeing. I talked with my friend and he told me what the real truth was and so I came back and posted again, but if you think it was because I was trying to be 'less harsh' then ok man. :rolleyes:[/b][/quote]
If I believe what you said, you didn't have any idea of what was the truth about MM but yet you attacked us without searching for another opinion. You just read the article and thought ''This man's a freak and they like him. Lets tell them they are sick!''? But when you read other opinions, you thought ''Hmmm, maybe there's more to the subject than I thought. Lets talk to my firend who knows about Manson!''



:rolleyes:

[Razan]

Here's an idea: Don't like it? Don't listen to it, but don't try and change people's ideas with ignorant statements with no proof. I may not like some of the rap music out there now days talking about bitches and hos, but I am definately not going to say they can't rap about that--why? It's entertainment and there ARE people out there who enjoy listening to it.

It's like this thing with Christians. On the whole I have no problem with them, but when they try to get me to believe what the believe, try to get me to go to church and stuff, then I get pissed. It's like...believe what you want but don't "try and change people's ideas with ignorant statements with no proof."

Exactly, don't try and force your opinions on me. I don't need you trying to shove it down my throught. That's exactly how i feel aobut hardcore religious people.

I share the same thoughts.

Just today in school in religion class my teacher is like:
"The worst person who steals is a person who steals prayers".(HUH?)

What I'm thinking is that a person who steals billions of dollars and kill in the way is better than a person who doesn't pray???

He said I was going to hell :mellow:

Haha I don't do anything and I'm going to hell yet someone who steals goes to heaven because he prays!!

[Evil Angel]

That guy who wrote the article is my God.I have always been a Marilyn Manson hater probalby beacause of the things he does and I had read another article about manson's inhuman behaviour.

FUCK MARILYN MANSON!PUT HIM IN AN IRON MAIDEN(NOT THE BAND BUT THE SPIKED WALL THING)

[Chris(tmas)]

Originally posted by linkinpark04@Nov 21 2004, 02:12 PM
That guy who wrote the article is my God.I have always been a Marilyn Manson hater probalby beacause of the things he does and I had read another article about manson's inhuman behaviour.

FUCK MARILYN MANSON!PUT HIM IN AN IRON MAIDEN(NOT THE BAND BUT THE SPIKED WALL THING)
Have you read the other people posts?


ITS.NOT.TRUE


Get it?


False. fake. not true. rumours



geezz

[Mechanical Christ]

Originally posted by Chris+Nov 21 2004, 01:30 PM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (Chris @ Nov 21 2004, 01:30 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> <!--QuoteBegin--linkinpark04@Nov 21 2004, 02:12 PM
That guy who wrote the article is my God.I have always been a Marilyn Manson hater probalby beacause of the things he does and I had read another article about manson's inhuman behaviour.

FUCK MARILYN MANSON!PUT HIM IN AN IRON MAIDEN(NOT THE BAND BUT THE SPIKED WALL THING)
Have you read the other people posts?


ITS.NOT.TRUE


Get it?


False. fake. not true. rumours



geezz [/b][/quote]
:rolley


I'm not even going to bother.

[Razan]

That guy who wrote the article is my God.I have always been a Marilyn Manson hater probalby beacause of the things he does and I had read another article about manson's inhuman behaviour.

FUCK MARILYN MANSON!PUT HIM IN AN IRON MAIDEN(NOT THE BAND BUT THE SPIKED WALL THING)

Have you read the other people posts?


ITS.NOT.TRUE


Get it?


False. fake. not true. rumours



geezz

:rolley


I'm not even going to bother.

My you people are harsher than us! (The MM hater).

Read the topic before you post and if you did and this is your opinion well good luck when UndeadMaster finds you! :lol:

[Evil Angel]

whoops I am very sorry I guess I was a bit angry with someone when I posted it.I am really very sorry.I promise I won't post anything like that again

:unsure:

Sorry Guys!!

[Neil]

Let me first state that I'm not a Marilyn Manson fan. He has a couple of catchy songs, but that's beside the point. Marilyn Manson may be one of the smartest entertainers in music. That man acts, dresses and sings however the hell he wants. He makes this gothic image about himself for entertainment purposes, and it's working damn well for him.

It's sad how people have to make up rumors about successful people. Ever hear the rumor that MM kills animals on stage? Not true. Ever hear that MM has done extremely obscene actions onstage? Totally true. It's how he sells himself to the public. And it obviously works.

I have always been a Marilyn Manson hater probalby beacause of the things he does and I had read another article about manson's inhuman behaviour.

FUCK MARILYN MANSON!PUT HIM IN AN IRON MAIDEN

How does that make you any less inhuman then you make Manson out to be. Saying you probably hate him, and that you want him dead, isn't exactly a great point to argue.

[Evil Angel]

Originally posted by Neil@Nov 21 2004, 07:55 PM
Let me first state that I'm not a Marilyn Manson fan. He has a couple of catchy songs, but that's beside the point. Marilyn Manson may be one of the smartest entertainers in music. That man acts, dresses and sings however the hell he wants. He makes this gothic image about himself for entertainment purposes, and it's working damn well for him.

It's sad how people have to make up rumors about successful people. Ever hear the rumor that MM kills animals on stage? Not true. Ever hear that MM has done extremely obscene actions onstage? Totally true. It's how he sells himself to the public. And it obviously works.

I have always been a Marilyn Manson hater probalby beacause of the things he does and I had read another article about manson's inhuman behaviour.

FUCK MARILYN MANSON!PUT HIM IN AN IRON MAIDEN

How does that make you any less inhuman then you make Manson out to be. Saying you probably hate him, and that you want him dead, isn't exactly a great point to argue.
O please for the nth time-"I am Sorry". Someone please delete my post its getting more controvertial than Manson himself!

[Neil]

Originally posted by linkinpark04+Nov 21 2004, 09:32 AM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (linkinpark04 @ Nov 21 2004, 09:32 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> <!--QuoteBegin--Neil@Nov 21 2004, 07:55 PM
Let me first state that I'm not a Marilyn Manson fan. He has a couple of catchy songs, but that's beside the point. Marilyn Manson may be one of the smartest entertainers in music. That man acts, dresses and sings however the hell he wants. He makes this gothic image about himself for entertainment purposes, and it's working damn well for him.

It's sad how people have to make up rumors about successful people. Ever hear the rumor that MM kills animals on stage? Not true. Ever hear that MM has done extremely obscene actions onstage? Totally true. It's how he sells himself to the public. And it obviously works.

I have always been a Marilyn Manson hater probalby beacause of the things he does and I had read another article about manson's inhuman behaviour.

FUCK MARILYN MANSON!PUT HIM IN AN IRON MAIDEN

How does that make you any less inhuman then you make Manson out to be. Saying you probably hate him, and that you want him dead, isn't exactly a great point to argue.
O please for the nth time-"I am Sorry". Someone please delete my post its getting more controvertial than Manson himself! [/b][/quote]
I was typing that while you posted your apology. I wasn't continuing to bitch at you :lol:

[Evil Angel]

Originally posted by Neil+Nov 21 2004, 08:06 PM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (Neil @ Nov 21 2004, 08:06 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> Originally posted by -linkinpark04@Nov 21 2004, 09:32 AM
<!--QuoteBegin--Neil@Nov 21 2004, 07:55 PM
Let me first state that I'm not a Marilyn Manson fan.* He has a couple of catchy songs, but that's beside the point.* Marilyn Manson may be one of the smartest entertainers in music.* That man acts, dresses and sings however the hell he wants.* He makes this gothic image about himself for entertainment purposes, and it's working damn well for him.

* * * * * * * It's sad how people have to make up rumors about successful people.* Ever hear the rumor that MM kills animals on stage?* Not true.* Ever hear that MM has done extremely obscene actions onstage?* Totally true.* It's how he sells himself to the public.* And it obviously works.

I have always been a Marilyn Manson hater probalby beacause of the things he does and I had read another article about manson's inhuman behaviour.

FUCK MARILYN MANSON!PUT HIM IN AN IRON MAIDEN

How does that make you any less inhuman then you make Manson out to be. Saying you probably hate him, and that you want him dead, isn't exactly a great point to argue.
O please for the nth time-"I am Sorry". Someone please delete my post its getting more controvertial than Manson himself!
I was typing that while you posted your apology. I wasn't continuing to bitch at you :lol: [/b][/quote]
thats fine but I have learnt one lesson -Not to impose your beliefs forcibly on someone else.Sorry guys :mellow:

[The_Neo_13]

I don't hate manson cos he's an Anti-X, i just dislike him cause he's a homo that thinks he's cool.

now seriously:
i'm christian, but i never convince people to believe what i believe, I also think that muslim's and jew's religious point of view are also valid, i'm an open person....

but this has nothing to do with religion, manson is just plain stupid, and inhumane.
The band members' names say it all. :wth:
plus, the music they play makes me wanna fall asleep.

Kurt cobain was kinda Anti-X but that's just cause he was on drugs (HEAVY ones) besides his music was great.

didn't know john lennon was a god hater... :wth:

(don't ban me please, i was just posting what's on my mind so i don't get flamed afterwards)

[Razan]

I don't hate manson cos he's an Anti-X, i just dislike him cause he's a homo that thinks he's cool.

What does being homo have to do with anything? That's really racist.

plus, the music they play makes me wanna fall asleep.


Ok. That was just funny.
The music they play is far from sleepy, I mean he screams alot in the songs I've heard.

@ The_Neo_13 I'm sorry I had to let those two points out but I know you're just saying whats on your mind and you aren't directly insulting him.
I envy your skills on being neutral!

thats fine but I have learnt one lesson -Not to impose your beliefs forcibly on someone else.Sorry guys


:lol: We have done a good deed!

[Todd]

Originally posted by The_Neo_13@Nov 21 2004, 09:44 AM
I don't hate manson cos he's an Anti-X, i just dislike him cause he's a homo that thinks he's cool.
You're warned.

[Chris(tmas)]

Originally posted by The_Neo_13@Nov 21 2004, 04:44 PM
I don't hate manson cos he's an Anti-X, i just dislike him cause he's a homo that thinks he's cool.

now seriously:
i'm christian, but i never convince people to believe what i believe, I also think that muslim's and jew's religious point of view are also valid, i'm an open person....

but this has nothing to do with religion, manson is just plain stupid, and inhumane.
The band members' names say it all. :wth:
plus, the music they play makes me wanna fall asleep.

Kurt cobain was kinda Anti-X but that's just cause he was on drugs (HEAVY ones) besides his music was great.

didn't know john lennon was a god hater... :wth:

(don't ban me please, i was just posting what's on my mind so i don't get flamed afterwards)
You also need to read the whole topic because everything he has done is (almost) not true.

So, if I change my name to 'Christhegirlraper', would that make me someone who rapes girl? No. Its just a nickname. If my name was Bin Laden, you would think I'm really Bin Laden seeing your post.

[Doctor Manhattan]

What is an 'Anti-X'?

[Link04]

Originally posted by Spiked@Nov 21 2004, 04:35 PM
I don't hate manson cos he's an Anti-X, i just dislike him cause he's a homo that thinks he's cool.

What does being homo have to do with anything? That's really racist.


Lol...."racist"...that's funny.


Casey, I'm guessing Anti-X = Anti Christ. I'm not sure, but from the context, that's what it seems to be.

[Kæton]

Originally posted by The_Neo_13@Nov 21 2004, 05:44 AM
plus, the music they play makes me wanna fall asleep.
You need to listen to some good ol' Manson before you say that... Some stuff like "Burning Flag" are pretty damn heavy and loud... Highly doubt you would fall asleep to something like that. :lol:

I'm starting to believe opposers aren't even taking the time to read anything. It's okay to have your opinion, but you should still piece some knowledge behind it.

[Zak]

I dunno why you'd be warned for saying you dont like someone because they are a homo who think they're cool. You guys are all argueing about opinons and then when someone states theirs you warn them for it. It's not even a racist opinion. I dont like think homosexuality is right either, but I dont hate people because of it. I dont like Marilyn Manson because he looks like a freak, is against what I believe, and I dont like his music. After looking into it more I have to say I like him even less than when all I knew about him was what I read in that article.

He's a freak, but I guess thats why most of you like him.

[Kæton]

"Freak" as opposed to what, you?

Well what if I say you're a "freak" for thinking his style isn't "normal."

See, this is why I think Manson is great. It goes to show you that if you step outside the line of what people believe is "normal," you are automatically labelled as something different or a "freak." I do like Manson's sense of unique-ness, but that doesn't mean I am following every word he says. I in fact do like people who do not "follow the crowd," but I do not consider them "freaks." I have never considered anyone a "freak," because just because they are different from you does not make them any more or less of a person that you are.

[Todd]

Originally posted by zakrisk@Nov 21 2004, 04:05 PM
I dunno why you'd be warned for saying you dont like someone because they are a homo who think they're cool.
Because using homophobic language is not tolerated. Calling people homos, gay, fags, IS NOT tolerated here at all, and niether is calling an inanimate object gay.

[Link04]

Originally posted by zakrisk@Nov 21 2004, 10:05 PM
I dunno why you'd be warned for saying you dont like someone because they are a homo who think they're cool. You guys are all argueing about opinons and then when someone states theirs you warn them for it. It's not even a racist opinion. I dont like think homosexuality is right either, but I dont hate people because of it. I dont like Marilyn Manson because he looks like a freak, is against what I believe, and I dont like his music. After looking into it more I have to say I like him even less than when all I knew about him was what I read in that article.

He's a freak, but I guess thats why most of you like him.
Bottom line, you sound like a pre-adolescent moron when you call something "gay" when you really mean "stupid" or something that you don't like/agree with. It's completely uncalled for. How would you like it if I started substituting the word "black" where other people use "gay." It's the same principle:

"Aw man...that's so black."

IDIOTIC.


No offense to any African Americans, I'm very good friends with many, it was just an example.

[User Name]

Originally posted by Spiked@Nov 21 2004, 09:35 AM
What does being homo have to do with anything? That's really racist.
rac·ism
n.

The belief that race accounts for differences in human character or ability and that a particular race is superior to others.

Discrimination or prejudice based on race.

Cameron - 1
You - 0

;)

[Link04]

Originally posted by Cameron+Nov 21 2004, 10:58 PM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (Cameron @ Nov 21 2004, 10:58 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> <!--QuoteBegin--Spiked@Nov 21 2004, 09:35 AM
What does being homo have to do with anything? That's really racist.
rac·ism
n.

The belief that race accounts for differences in human character or ability and that a particular race is superior to others.

Discrimination or prejudice based on race.

Cameron - 1
You - 0

;) [/b][/quote]
:lol: You read my mind.

[Garfield]

When I saw the articl I said to my self: THIS IS BULLSHIT!
I mean, first of all, they do not care about people who disagree with them, second of all, they are comparing him to KKK (but that's a christian organization). They think that it's a big deal that they are doing. I think that a much worse thing is the ware in Iraq. :shifty:
What they dont say is that a lot of bullshit was done in the name of god and that Manson didn't hurt anyone like alot of "religius" people did. The only thing I can say is:
GO MANSON, GO!!!

[Mark]

Zakrisk; come back when you have an informed opinion and a concept of the boundaries of "right" and "wrong" instead of throwing your words around like a know-it-all, blasphemous, completely unaccepting jerk. :)

[Maëlle]

I personally think that people who are telling all that crap about MM are scared. They aren't scared of Marilyn Manson himself, they're scared that they might follow what he says but their common sense tells them they shouldn't. So to fight their ''attirance'' to what he says, they do the opposite of what they feel; they bash him to show the others they are fully imune against his music, his style, him. Just like when people tell you're in denial, you do everything to show them you don't have a crush on that girl in your Sciences class. (oh the bad comparison) In fact, I think that people bashing MM are the ones affraid to ''fall''. They are so scared to be influenced by something that's not all about smiling, flowers and sun, that they just generalise everything to the point where they reject everything that's not corresponding to their ideal (I used 'ideal' as I would use the french word, so excuse me if it's not correctly used :unsure: )

But maybe am I pushing the thing too far. Sorry if I did.

[The_Neo_13]

ok, i like marylin manson, they are the COOLEST! :mellow:

is that what you want me to say todd?

i mean i'm just saying the truth.

look at the band, do they look like the type of .......persons, you'd like to hang out with?

i get warned for saying h....the h-word?
what about the millions of members who use other insults like s***
F*** and B****, those are far worse.
(i realised you are pretty sensitive so i censored them)

if it's against the law to insult a band i don't like then I AM SORRY.
jeez, what's wrong with you people. :angry:

[Doctor Manhattan]

You can't say racial slurs or use homophobic language.

I don't think fuck or shit is going to upset anyone here. :rolleyes:

[Sylar]

Originally posted by The_Neo_13@Nov 26 2004, 12:20 PM
ok, i like marylin manson, they are the COOLEST! :mellow:

is that what you want me to say todd?

i mean i'm just saying the truth.

look at the band, do they look like the type of .......persons, you'd like to hang out with?

i get warned for saying h....the h-word?
what about the millions of members who use other insults like s***
F*** and B****, those are far worse.
(i realised you are pretty sensitive so i censored them)

if it's against the law to insult a band i don't like then I AM SORRY.
jeez, what's wrong with you people. :angry:
...Have you actually read the rules of the site? You can state that you don't like a band (with a reason for it) but you can't go and flame the band because that starts flaming wars on the board. Honestly, go read the rules because it IS against the law.

[Evil Angel]

Originally posted by BuriedxTragedy+Nov 26 2004, 11:03 PM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (BuriedxTragedy @ Nov 26 2004, 11:03 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> <!--QuoteBegin--The_Neo_13@Nov 26 2004, 12:20 PM
ok, i like marylin manson, they are the COOLEST! :mellow:

is that what you want me to say todd?

i mean i'm just saying the truth.

look at the band, do they look like the type of .......persons, you'd like to hang out with?

i get warned for saying h....the h-word?
what about the millions of members who use other insults like s***
F*** and B****, those are far worse.
(i realised you are pretty sensitive so i censored them)

if it's against the law to insult a band i don't like then I AM SORRY.
jeez, what's wrong with you people. :angry:
...Have you actually read the rules of the site? You can state that you don't like a band (with a reason for it) but you can't go and flame the band because that starts flaming wars on the board. Honestly, go read the rules because it IS against the law. [/b][/quote]
I think you guys need to chill.The best solution to avoid flame wars is to avoid replying to messages which you think are flames.You guys just chill its a message board not the Parliament

[User Name]

Originally posted by The_Neo_13@Nov 26 2004, 09:20 AM
i get warned for saying h....the h-word?
what about the millions of members who use other insults like s***
F*** and B****, those are far worse.
In order to have millions of members, we need millions of members first. :lol:

[Evil Angel]

Originally posted by Cameron+Nov 26 2004, 11:22 PM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (Cameron @ Nov 26 2004, 11:22 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> <!--QuoteBegin--The_Neo_13@Nov 26 2004, 09:20 AM
i get warned for saying h....the h-word?
what about the millions of members who use other insults like s***
F*** and B****, those are far worse.
In order to have millions of members, we need millions of members first. :lol: [/b][/quote]
Good joke to relieve tensions ^_^

[Mark]

Originally posted by The_Neo_13@Nov 26 2004, 12:50 PM
ok, i like marylin manson, they are the COOLEST! :mellow:

is that what you want me to say todd?

i mean i'm just saying the truth.

look at the band, do they look like the type of .......persons, you'd like to hang out with?

i get warned for saying h....the h-word?
what about the millions of members who use other insults like s***
F*** and B****, those are far worse.
(i realised you are pretty sensitive so i censored them)

if it's against the law to insult a band i don't like then I AM SORRY.
jeez, what's wrong with you people. :angry:
You are entitled to your opinion. Of course you can say you don't like marilyn Manson, you're entitled to saying that.

But who the hell do you think you are to think that "homo" is an acceptable way to describe someone who isn't a homosexual? You think "homo" means stupid and "gay" is dumb? Let me tell you something, you immature, arrogant dolt: you are a bigot. You are a bigot for the way you talk, and the way you dehumanize homosexuals by the things you say. You will get nowhere in life with such an outrageously incorrect view on life, and I sincerly hope that you go nowhere in life for being such an inconsiderate jerk. I, along with the rest of staff, will not tolerate people like you, with your incredible intolerance for others, here on these forums. You are a narcissistic plague to the forums, and I'm happy to award you with a third warning for antagonizing staff over decisions. Take your idiotic views someplace else. Goodbye.

By the way, if anyone else called someone else a "fucker" or any other sharp insults like that, they would be warned for flaming. But of course you have no concept of what flaming is becuase you have no concept of following rules.

I believe we've debated this topic enough, and for it to be brought back for a discussion by a child on why he shouldn't be warned for being a homophobic fool is a disservice to the thread. If you wish to conitnue debating this topic, please make another thread. This is closed.