police taser kids

[Jila]

Police Use of Stun Guns on Children Riles Parents
Officers Taser Boy, 6, and Girl, 12

MIAMI (Nov. 13) - Miami-Dade police have acknowledged using a stun gun on a second youngster just weeks after subduing a 55-pound first-grader with a 50,000-volt shock.

In the second instance, a 15-year-veteran officer used his Taser to immobilize a 12-year-old girl who was playing hooky from school.

Police Director Bobby Parker defended the decision to shock the 6-year-old boy on Oct. 20 because he was threatening to injure himself with a shard of glass he was holding, but he said Friday that he could not defend the decision to shock the fleeing girl, who was apparently drunk.

According to the incident report, officer William Nelson responded to a complaint that children were swimming in a pool, drinking alcohol and smoking cigars about 11 a.m. on Nov. 5.

Nelson said he noticed the girl was intoxicated and told her to get dressed so he could take her back to school.

"While walking the girl to the police car, she took off running through the parking lot," Nelson wrote in his report.

Nelson, 38, said he chased her and yelled several times for her to stop. Nelson said he pulled out the Taser and fired when the girl began to run into traffic. The electric probes hit the girl in the neck and lower back, immobilizing her with 50,000 volts.

Nelson said he fired "for my safety along with the girl's safety." Paramedics treated the girl, who went home with her mother.

Parker said department policy permits officers to use the Taser to apprehend someone, but he said he expected his officers to use better judgment, especially when police had no plans to arrest someone playing hooky.

The first incident had already exposed the department to more criticism for its use of Tasers, which it has begun distributing in greater numbers to officers.

"The police could have handled this better," said the 6-year-old boy's mother, Kathy Rojas. "They did not have to shoot him."

Parker said that, in light of the disclosure of the second incident, the department will review its policy.


11-13-04 11:40 EST
source:aol

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Should police ban the use of stun guns on children?
Yes: 52%
No: 48%

DISCUSS!!

i, for one, think thats pretty fucked up. expecially the 6 year old boy. he was threatening to injure himself and to stop that, the police decided to do it themselves. seriously, i dont see the logic in that action.

[Glenn]

Hmm what would I rather have...a glass cut (depending on the size of the glass) or 50,000 volts running through me. That's kind of fucked up.

[Leslie]

On kids!? That is so wrong... Jesus, what are these cops thinking?

[Link04]

I see no reason for the 6 year old, but that IS a tough decision for the second one. A 12 year old girl running drunk into traffic...


It's a shame it's had to come to this. I didn't even know policemen carried tasers all the time.

[Anthony.]

They did the right thing.

[Holiday]

i think it was dumb. a little 6yr old!? come on!
for that girl, it still seems stupid. i dont know. she shoudlnt run out into traffic, but that thing about "his safety", while he is the poliece officer and she is a baby. that doesnt make much sense to me.
i thin kit is wrong and children need to be treated more like childeren than they are.

[Anthony.]

Originally posted by hybridsoldier02@Nov 13 2004, 08:36 PM
i think it was dumb. a little 6yr old!? come on!
for that girl, it still seems stupid. i dont know. she shoudlnt run out into traffic, but that thing about "his safety", while he is the poliece officer and she is a baby. that doesnt make much sense to me.
i thin kit is wrong and children need to be treated more like childeren than they are.
If they didn't taser the kid, he'd have hurt himself (wich he already did) and others.

[Doctor Manhattan]

Originally posted by Avenger@Nov 13 2004, 06:18 PM
They did the right thing.
Agreed.

The little girl was drunk, and walking into traffic. If the cops would have done nothing, everyone would be complaining about how they did nothing about it. But since they did do something about it (albeit extreme), everyone is complaining. I doubt they could have done anything else. I don't know, you weren't there, and neither was I. Maybe that was their only choice?

As for the other kid with the glass threatening suicide, would you rather him slice his wrist, or stab someone else?

I think the Cops did the right thing, although it was abit extreme. But like I said, that could have been their only option. None of us were there.

[Jila]

it said nothing about the 6 year old killing himself. and slitting his wrists? i know when i was 6 i wouldnt have known that slitting your wrists would cause you to die. shit, and theyre little kids, they act like theyre going to beat the police officers up or something. and for the 12 year old, if anything, they can easily just pick her up. i mean, how hard can it be to pick up a 12 year old girl, especially if shes drunk. shit, if youve been drunk, you should know youre not exactly the most agile thing in the world.

[Doctor Manhattan]

Maybe the Cop was out of shape? Like I said, you don't know the situation, you weren't there, but then again, neither was I.

And I'm sure a 6 year old can put together slicing glass on your skin = makes you bleed alot. If not, then I'm sure a 6 year old atleast knows how to stab someone.

Meh. It's pointless arguing about this.

[Alacrity]

I'd agree with it if the situation was bad enough... I mean, the girl almost ran into traffic. How else can you stop that? And then the little kid could've done a multiple of stuff with that glass, there's no telling. Maybe if there was a way to stun them without using 50000 volts it'd be more accepted.

[Anthony.]

Originally posted by Alacrity@Nov 13 2004, 09:04 PM
I'd agree with it if the situation was bad enough... I mean, the girl almost ran into traffic. How else can you stop that? And then the little kid could've done a multiple of stuff with that glass, there's no telling. Maybe if there was a way to stun them without using 50000 volts it'd be more accepted.
50 000 volts with a taser is not far from sticking a fork into a plug. It's a big number but the effect is not that great cause of the way the energy is distributed.

[Tomi]

The police is going pretty trigger wild with these taser guns. :S

I read the news article about the 6 year old with the glass, if anyone wants me to post it, sure...pretty interesting...

[Razan]

A six year old!!!

The police/army is pretty fucked up nowadays I agree but weren't they always?
Everything used to be kept silent but now I think people are using "freedom of speach".

These stories aren't knew to me except 6 year old business, yes, very strange.

This is my opinion: They did the wrong thing

[Chris(tmas)]

Originally posted by Spiked@Nov 14 2004, 08:39 AM
A six year old!!!

The police/army is pretty fucked up nowadays I agree but weren't they always?
Everything used to be kept silent but now I think people are using "freedom of speach".

These stories aren't knew to me except 6 year old business, yes, very strange.

This is my opinion: They did the wrong thing
what the hell does freedom of speach has to do with 50000 tasers?

Its news, and newspapers can post whatever they like.



And I think they did the right thing.

[Razan]

what the hell does freedom of speach has to do with 50000 tasers?

Well we wouldn't have heard this if the newspapers didn't write it.
What I mean is that lots of stuff like this happens but this is one of the rare times they acctually write it.

How did they do the right thing?

[x3r09]

i think they actually could have thought of another way...but then again i was there...

[goso88]

I think they did the right thing, given the choices. I mean, how much time could this cop have had to think about all the options available to him before the girl ran straight into traffic? Not much, at least.

As for the boy...well, the cop could have easily forced the glass out of the boy's hand. Its just seems wrong that he won't defend against the case of the girl, but he does for the boy. *shrugs*

[Neil]

Police shouldn't use tazers on kids, but in the situation where the girl was running into traffic, I say the officer made a good choice. A shocked child is better than a splattered one ;)

[iamrighthereandnow]

what is right and what is wrong?
if the police guy would be out of shape as somebody suggested should he have been on duty? what for the hard physical tests to be a cop if they have cops out of shape on duty? i dont think that would be a case. before those guns were available how did they stop that situation from happenin'? why couldnt they use that approach? i would agree if she had a gun and was gonna shoot somebody else..... or if the boy was about to do somebody else with the glass. but otherwise why not use the approach they used in the past. if you see somebody getting into the way of traffic and you are propelled to do something, instead of just watch, wouldnt you just grabbed her? if you had martial art style training as i am sure those cops do, it would have been damn easy to restrain her fast, while one of them could stop traffic.
i was about to slit my wrists when i was 7 with the intent to die,, i think that six year could have been also able to figure out that bleeding leads to death were he so desparate to exit this life. question is what was his mother doing? everybody blames the cops, nobody looks at the lack of parenting. i think his mother should be the last person in the world commenting on the police. she should be made by law to seek help for not watching over her son. i think the cops did the best they could, maybe not the right thing by judment of many and maybe they did the right thing by judment of others. i mean, you always have to look for better solutions to any problems, and they are human to make mistakes too, its if they are willing to amend them and make it better next time., they shouldnt be put 'they are such bad guys' position.

[El Postwhore]

People see 50000 volts and think "Holy shit!"... But think for a sec...it's really the amps that kill. As Avenger said, 50000 volts DC (which the tasers are) aren't far off a household outlet (which has far more AMPS), and it only shocks for a split-second...

[Rinkin]

Originally posted by Avenger@Nov 13 2004, 08:18 PM
They did the right thing.
I agree.

If you had a 12 year old who is drinking underage, drunk, disobeying a cops orders, and is about to get herself killed over a stupid reason, what would you do to stop her?

It could have been worse... the cop could have shot her in the leg to stop her.

And would you like to see a kid get ran over by cars that could cause multiple car accidents?

[htep.fan]

They did the right thing

I've had experiences with glass. Bad ones, you don't want to know. A 6-year old with a piece of glass is dangerous. He could have easily attacked the cop or attacked himself.

As for the drunk girl, couldn't have done better. Running into cars...shock her, please.

I don't get why people freak out, just because the cops used tasers doesn't mean they actually electrocuted them. And as SmashPilot and Avenger said, tasers aren't far from a household outlet (I had experiences with those too, it is not that bad).

[Jila]

Originally posted by htep.fan@Nov 17 2004, 08:37 PM
I don't get why people freak out, just because the cops used tasers doesn't mean they actually electrocuted them.
first of all, if tasers dont electrocute you then what do they do? :rolleyes:
second, people making a deal about this because theyre kids, not 30-something year olds that can easily fight back and actually have strength to do so.

[goso88]

first of all, if tasers dont electrocute you then what do they do?*
second, people making a deal about this because theyre kids, not 30-something year olds that can easily fight back and actually have strength to do so.

Usually, when you say electrocuted, you're referring to death or execution by electricity.

So, tecnhically, the cops are stunning the kids with tasers, not electrocuting them.

[Jae]

Originally posted by Avenger@Nov 13 2004, 06:18 PM
They did the right thing.
I agree 215%. Tasers are non-lethal weapons.

[Garfield]

Personaly, I disagree with everything the police does. When this dude almost runned over my mum on a sidewalk, they didn't do shit, but now they had to prove they are the autorathy. The cup could have picked up the girl, and if he was out of shape, he should get fierd 'cause he can't chase criminals, so he can't realy do his job, right?
in the words of NWA: f*** the police!!!

[finaldude14]

Originally posted by Garfield@Nov 21 2004, 06:16 PM
Personaly, I disagree with everything the police does. When this dude almost runned over my mum on a sidewalk, they didn't do shit, but now they had to prove they are the autorathy. The cup could have picked up the girl, and if he was out of shape, he should get fierd 'cause he can't chase criminals, so he can't realy do his job, right?
in the words of NWA: f*** the police!!!
someone listens to to much eminem!

Anyways i agree witch would you rather have dead person or just some one who is hurt

[[Fool]]

Originally posted by Leslie@Nov 14 2004, 12:25 AM
On kids!? That is so wrong... Jesus, what are these cops thinking?
:withstupid: thats jst not right!!

[Garfield]

Originally posted by finaldude14@Nov 21 2004, 11:44 PM
someone listens to to much eminem!

How did you know? Did my signature show it? :teehee: :teehee: