Censorship

[Chris Luke]

I understand Censorship but I think there's way to much. What do you people think?

[Jila]

agh, censorship is pointless (as in cursing, not nudity). its just what society believes is "bad". if you really look behind the meaning of everything, it doesnt even make sense. for instance, if you say "no ####" you dont really mean "no fecal matter" so it shouldnt really be vulgar. its just completely senseless and insane how far people go with censorship. they even take out words from songs that arent even curse words. some really stupid things ive seen so far are

3 days grace- i hate everything about you: they took out the word "hit"
weezer- hash pipe: they changed the word "hash" to "half"
black eyed peas- let's get retarded: changed it to lets get it started.. or something
eminem- superman: everything. they just went crazy with that song. they changed "handprints" with "footprints". what the hell?

its just ridicculous. but i mean theyre being more leniant nowadays. you can say ass and recently bitch. you can say shit in canada too.

as for nudity, i think there should be censorship because i dont want to see naked girls frolicing all over my television screen when a girls gone wild commercial comes on.

[Chris Luke]

Lets not forget The Take It Away video. Mtv blocks out the part were Bret Pulls The Alarm.

[Mark]

Originally posted by PyRoMaNiaK@Oct 14 2004, 09:40 PM
agh, censorship is pointless (as in cursing, not nudity). its just what society believes is "bad". if you really look behind the meaning of everything, it doesnt even make sense. for instance, if you say "no ####" you dont really mean "no fecal matter" so it shouldnt really be vulgar. its just completely senseless and insane how far people go with censorship. they even take out words from songs that arent even curse words. some really stupid things ive seen so far are

3 days grace- i hate everything about you: they took out the word "hit"
weezer- hash pipe: they changed the word "hash" to "half"
black eyed peas- let's get retarded: changed it to lets get it started.. or something
eminem- superman: everything. they just went crazy with that song. they changed "handprints" with "footprints". what the hell?

its just ridicculous. but i mean theyre being more leniant nowadays. you can say ass and recently bitch. you can say shit in canada too.

as for nudity, i think there should be censorship because i dont want to see naked girls frolicing all over my television screen when a girls gone wild commercial comes on.
papa roach's last resort - "resort"
korn's "y'all want a single" - "f*ck" -> "suck" (f*ck could've been removed, but "suck"? why not "screw that"?)
enimem's "stan" - "trunk", "bleed", "vodka" -> "kool-aid".

it's getting ridiculous.

[Jila]

Originally posted by Personal Jesus@Oct 14 2004, 05:12 PM
Lets not forget The Take It Away video. Mtv blocks out the part were Bret Pulls The Alarm.
hmm, ive never seen or heard of that video.

oh, and d12s purple pills to purple hills. the songs end up making to sense whatsoever.

[Whimsicality]

I can understand some censorship. For example, I can see them editing "####" on the radio. I think it's understandable to blur naked people on TV.

That said, I think things are often overcensored and it's more of a political tool then anything. They edited out "hit" on the Three Days Grace song, but not "ass" in a Pink song? Also, a lot of songs, especially rap songs have lyrical content that includes perverted sexual references, and no one really cares about that, but Howard Stern says "####" a lot, oh my!

Personal Jesus mentioned MTV, well I haven't watched MTV in awhile but I remember them being goddamn ridiculous. We can see scantily clad girls, not only in videos but in their own shows, but yet Incubus's "Megalomaniac" only gets to be shown a few times late at night?

I can understand that people don't want their six year olds going around telling people to "#### off." I can understand that people don't want there 12 year olds talking about "gettin' some cat."

But wait, this is where morals come in. Well guess what? Who do kids, especially little kids, look to as an influence? Parents, not stuff they hear on the radio.

It especially drives me crazy when people blame the media for school violence, kids being depressed and cutting themselves, etc. There are obviously deeper issues here.

Like I said before, I understand a certain amount of censorship. But ultimately I think the way parents brought up there kids, and (especially as they get older) peer pressure influence a lot more then Eminem and Marilyn Manson.

[Chris Luke]

I mean you can make any random song. Say Manson, Eminem, or KoRn made it. Put out a video on MTV. Then they'll censor the living hell out of it.

[F-ck Casey]

I don't know why people are complaining about Censorship.

We don't live in a society where we're free to say, do and watch what we please. America isn't a Democracy. You might as well through Artistic Expression and Freedom Of Speech right out the goddamn window.

America is a Republic.

We choose who we want to represent us (Republic). Some people in America chose for the FCC, PTC, RIAA, etc. to exist. In some ways, we chose to be censored by letting these egomaniacs trample all over what we elected and chose them to do.

You can't blame the FCC, PTC, etc. for what they're doing/already did. We're partially to blame.

Did that make any sense whatsoever?


EDIT: Haha, oops. I made a mistake.

[Chris Luke]

Originally posted by Casey@Oct 14 2004, 08:37 PM
I don't know why people are complaining about Censorship.

We don't live in a society where we're free to say, do and watch what we please. America isn't a Democracy. You might as well through Artistic Expression and Freedom Of Speech right out the goddamn window.

America is a Republic.

We choose who we want to represent us (Democracy). Some people in America chose for the FCC, PTC, RIAA, etc. to exist. In some ways, we chose to be censored by letting these egomaniacs trample all over what we elected and chose them to do.

You can't blame the FCC, PTC, etc. for what they're doing/already did. We're partially to blame.

Did that make any sense whatsoever?
True but still it's rediculos how much censorship there is. Another thing that I noticed is censorship is technically in some way shape or form is taking away The Freedom Of Speech. One of Americas constitunial rights that I belive you can't change.

[F-ck Casey]

The government can find ways to abolish it, I'm sure.

[Glenn]

Censorship is complete bullshit, IMO.

[Whimsicality]

Originally posted by Casey@Oct 14 2004, 08:37 PM
I don't know why people are complaining about Censorship.

We don't live in a society where we're free to say, do and watch what we please. America isn't a Democracy. You might as well through Artistic Expression and Freedom Of Speech right out the goddamn window.

America is a Republic.

We choose who we want to represent us (Republic). Some people in America chose for the FCC, PTC, RIAA, etc. to exist. In some ways, we chose to be censored by letting these egomaniacs trample all over what we elected and chose them to do.

You can't blame the FCC, PTC, etc. for what they're doing/already did. We're partially to blame.

Did that make any sense whatsoever?


EDIT: Haha, oops. I made a mistake.
But most of those organizations were already around by the time a lot of us were even born. It's a lot harder to stop a a big, powerful machine then a small one.

On the bright side though, each generation gets more lax on censorship. So when the parents and grandparents running the FCC die or retire, we have a generation of Eminem, NWA and Korn fans who realize that listening to someone say "#### the cops" doesn't make you run out and torment police men.

[F-ck Casey]

What I'm trying to say is, you cannot defeat censorship. It will always be around in one form or another. It won't just lie down and die one day. There's always going to be someone to take over when the current CEO dies/retires. ALWAYS.

Unless America somehow does switch to true Democracy, and we can overthrow them, but I don't see that happening in my lifetime.

By the way: What is this 'small machine' you speak of?

[Whimsicality]

Originally posted by Casey@Oct 14 2004, 08:56 PM
What I'm trying to say is, you cannot defeat censorship. It will always be around in one form or another. It won't just lie down and die one day. There's always going to be someone to take over when the current CEO dies/retires. ALWAYS.

Unless America somehow does switch to true Democracy, and we can overthrow them, but I don't see that happening in my lifetime.

By the way: What is this 'small machine' you speak of?
What I was (uncoherantly) trying to say is that organizations like the FCC are too big to be stopped, where as little ones without power can be.

[F-ck Casey]

Mind giving some examples, mamacita?

[Whimsicality]

Originally posted by Casey@Oct 14 2004, 09:03 PM
Mind giving some examples, mamacita?
...and there, you have a point. :chemist:

[F-ck Casey]

*deletes thread*

:chemist:

[User Name]

Originally posted by PyRoMaNiaK@Oct 14 2004, 05:10 PM
weezer- hash pipe: they changed the word "hash" to "half"
Not in Canada.


black eyed peas- let's get retarded: changed it to lets get it started.. or something

That was the band's choice, and not the label or any music TV channel. They felt 'it wasn't politically correct.'

[Jila]

Originally posted by Cameron@Oct 14 2004, 06:28 PM

black eyed peas- let's get retarded: changed it to lets get it started.. or something

That was the band's choice, and not the label or any music TV channel. They felt 'it wasn't politically correct.'
yeah, but i highly doubt that was the sole reason for doing so.

[Garfield]

Originally posted by Mark+Oct 15 2004, 12:14 AM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (Mark @ Oct 15 2004, 12:14 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> <!--QuoteBegin--PyRoMaNiaK@Oct 14 2004, 09:40 PM
agh, censorship is pointless (as in cursing, not nudity). its just what society believes is "bad". if you really look behind the meaning of everything, it doesnt even make sense. for instance, if you say "no ####" you dont really mean "no fecal matter" so it shouldnt really be vulgar. its just completely senseless and insane how far people go with censorship. they even take out words from songs that arent even curse words. some really stupid things ive seen so far are

3 days grace- i hate everything about you: they took out the word "hit"
weezer- hash pipe: they changed the word "hash" to "half"
black eyed peas- let&#39;s get retarded: changed it to lets get it started.. or something
eminem- superman: everything. they just went crazy with that song. they changed "handprints" with "footprints". what the hell?

its just ridicculous. but i mean theyre being more leniant nowadays. you can say ass and recently bitch. you can say shit in canada too.

as for nudity, i think there should be censorship because i dont want to see naked girls frolicing all over my television screen when a girls gone wild commercial comes on.
papa roach&#39;s last resort - "resort"
korn&#39;s "y&#39;all want a single" - "f*ck" -> "suck" (f*ck could&#39;ve been removed, but "suck"? why not "screw that"?)
enimem&#39;s "stan" - "trunk", "bleed", "vodka" -> "kool-aid".

it&#39;s getting ridiculous. [/b][/quote]
People concentrate on the wrong things. There are things alot more dangereos than words. But people who want to get paid for doing their job get to ambicious so they censure words that we use every day, like the word trunk. In ten years they are just gonna put the beats of a song &#39;cause "everithin is so baaaaad for the children at home" :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: (for people who don&#39;t get it, I&#39;m sarcastic it this post)

[Evil Angel]

Originally posted by PyRoMaNiaK@Oct 15 2004, 05:40 AM
agh, censorship is pointless (as in cursing, not nudity). its just what society believes is "bad". if you really look behind the meaning of everything, it doesnt even make sense. for instance, if you say "no ####" you dont really mean "no fecal matter" so it shouldnt really be vulgar. its just completely senseless and insane how far people go with censorship. they even take out words from songs that arent even curse words. some really stupid things ive seen so far are

3 days grace- i hate everything about you: they took out the word "hit"
weezer- hash pipe: they changed the word "hash" to "half"
black eyed peas- let&#39;s get retarded: changed it to lets get it started.. or something
eminem- superman: everything. they just went crazy with that song. they changed "handprints" with "footprints". what the hell?

its just ridicculous. but i mean theyre being more leniant nowadays. you can say ass and recently bitch. you can say shit in canada too.

as for nudity, i think there should be censorship because i dont want to see naked girls frolicing all over my television screen when a girls gone wild commercial comes on.
Being In India i&#39;d give u the Indian Censorship laws
here it is quite lax.
you can say s*hit,bit*h etc.
But you requre a parent with you when you buy a "Parental Advisory" containing album

[Todd]

Its not the censorship on MTV that I&#39;m so against...they do take it way too far like taking out "hit" in 3DG and in the video for Stan, when he says that Stan and Eminem should be together, MTV censors that part out last time I saw the video. WTF? Is saying how they should be together wrong? No. Is MTV scared of all the kids seeing that, turning gay and not reporoducing and ending the world? That right there is bullshit. Let MTV do that, after all, you can usually find the entire video uncensored on the internet somewhere.

The type of censorship I can&#39;t stand is the type that retail stores (*cough* WalMart *cough*) practice. Personally, I don&#39;t want some worldwide corporation such as Wally World telling me what I can and cannot listen to, and then deny their customers the right to buy violent video games when they sell GUNS at WalMart. Not water guns, REAL guns you can use to kill someone. If the company is so afraid of violence, shouldn&#39;t they stop selling guns instead of a somewhat violent video game? Then as far as music goes, they only sell censored versions. As an 18 year old student who&#39;s been hearing cuss words since I was in 5th grade, buying a CD where they say the F word a few times is not going to harm me, so why is Wally World denying my right to buy the unedited version? Now, normally thats not a problem, when I&#39;m at home, I have Target, Best Buy, Circuit City and little ma&pop record stores out the wazoo to get my fix of unedited music. But I&#39;m in college in a hick town. I have 2 places to buy CDs. WalMart and Sam Goody. Well, I wont be buying from WalMart, thats for sure, then as everyone knows, Sam Goody jacks up their prices and rips you off. But then, WalMart is so religious and right wing it makes me sick. You know you&#39;ll never find a Marylin Manson CD at WalMart. Slipknot? Probably not. Green Day? Yes, you&#39;ll find Green Day there. They have Nimrod, Dookie, International Superhits. American Idiot? Nope&#33; Apparentley the CD title is too left wing so the WalMart out here refuses to carry it. What about Sheryl Crow? What could be so bad about any of her CDs, she&#39;s just another pop singer on the soft rock station. Well one of her CDs mentioned something about a kid killing someone with a gun he bought at WalMart. Well, WalMart didn&#39;t like that and yanked her CDs off the shelf. There are towns smaller than the one I live in that have a few gas stations, fast food restauraunts and a WalMart. Thats it. WalMart is where everyone goes to buy everything. WalMarts loveley acts of censorship prevent people in these tiny towns from buying the music they want. And it sure doesn&#39;t seem fair at all.

Then there&#39;s the good &#39;ol FCC. Was seeing Janet Jackson&#39;s nipple at the super bowl THAT bad? Kids saw it, but its not like they&#39;re never going to see one in their life (hopefully). Hell, everyone has two. Why don&#39;t they just fine her for having her arm visible too. god forbid a child should see a bodypart everyone has. And the FCC never bothererd Howard Stern until recentley. But, since the FCC is in bed with the Bush administration, and Howard Stern was urging listeners to vote for Kerry, the FCC started going after him. The indecencey he had on his show for the past 10 years was never a problem until they disagreed politically.

[Ryan]

There is too much censorship, they need to reduce it.

[Dean]

Originally posted by Ryan@Oct 16 2004, 07:58 PM
There is too much censorship, they need to reduce it.
Pretty much.

[Holiday]

i think censorship is rediculous. i mean these things go on every day in the world. sure maybe there should be a warning...but it shouldnt be compleatly censored. i think if there as a warning b4 each show(and maybe after ad brakes) everthing would b fine. and maybe you could have certain things time specific....like when teh fam is normally watching, you don&#39;t do really crude things.

and Cds i dotn think you should have to b 17 to buy parental advisory. again there should be a warning saying what exactly is said to need a warning, but there shoudlnt be an age limit. and besides it is easy to buy the stuff w/o an ID

and in movies. if they are goign to put age limits on movies you shouldnt have to pay the adult price at 12 when you cant even go to half of the movies out. it ludicrus&#33;&#33;&#33;&#33;

[User Name]

Originally posted by Todd@Oct 16 2004, 07:39 AM
Slipknot? Probably not. Green Day? Yes, you&#39;ll find Green Day there. They have Nimrod, Dookie, International Superhits. American Idiot? Nope&#33; Apparentley the CD title is too left wing so the WalMart out here refuses to carry it.
I just went to Wal-Mart a few days ago and I&#39;ve seen both Volume 3: The Subliminal Verses and American Idiot being carried. Maybe the mangager refuses to stock it.

[Debus]

Censorship is one of the most stupid things ever. If parents don&#39;t want their kids listening to stuff like that then don&#39;t let them. If littleJimmy listens to some music that his parents won&#39;t let him at his friends house then it&#39;s his parents fault for banning it from him. I see it as kids are gonna hear all this stuff at some point anyway. What&#39;s the point in hiding it from them when it so blatantly is there and it&#39;s not going to go away no matter how hard you try

[Mark]

Originally posted by Cameron+Oct 17 2004, 03:33 AM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (Cameron @ Oct 17 2004, 03:33 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> <!--QuoteBegin--Todd@Oct 16 2004, 07:39 AM
Slipknot? Probably not. Green Day? Yes, you&#39;ll find Green Day there. They have Nimrod, Dookie, International Superhits. American Idiot? Nope&#33; Apparentley the CD title is too left wing so the WalMart out here refuses to carry it.
I just went to Wal-Mart a few days ago and I&#39;ve seen both Volume 3: The Subliminal Verses and American Idiot being carried. Maybe the mangager refuses to stock it. [/b][/quote]
Canada vs US. There&#39;s a much worse case of censorship in the states than here.

[Holiday]

Originally posted by Mark@Oct 17 2004, 03:22 PM

Canada vs US. There&#39;s a much worse case of censorship in the states than here.
yeah i think the we have some of the worst censorship problems of anyone. i was over in Eroupe last summer adn there was curse words and sex all over tv. hehehe it was great not having things beeped out....i wish America would open thier eyes to what is going on in the world and stop being so controling and prude.

[User Name]

Originally posted by Mark+Oct 17 2004, 08:22 AM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (Mark @ Oct 17 2004, 08:22 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'>
Originally posted by -Cameron@Oct 17 2004, 03:33 AM
<!--QuoteBegin--Todd@Oct 16 2004, 07:39 AM
Slipknot? Probably not. Green Day? Yes, you&#39;ll find Green Day there. They have Nimrod, Dookie, International Superhits. American Idiot? Nope&#33; Apparentley the CD title is too left wing so the WalMart out here refuses to carry it.
I just went to Wal-Mart a few days ago and I&#39;ve seen both Volume 3: The Subliminal Verses and American Idiot being carried. Maybe the mangager refuses to stock it.
Canada vs US. There&#39;s a much worse case of censorship in the states than here. [/b][/quote]
Never took that into context. Good point, Mark.

[Ryan]

Originally posted by Mark+Oct 17 2004, 08:22 AM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (Mark @ Oct 17 2004, 08:22 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'>
Originally posted by -Cameron@Oct 17 2004, 03:33 AM
<!--QuoteBegin--Todd@Oct 16 2004, 07:39 AM
Slipknot? Probably not. Green Day? Yes, you&#39;ll find Green Day there. They have Nimrod, Dookie, International Superhits. American Idiot? Nope&#33; Apparentley the CD title is too left wing so the WalMart out here refuses to carry it.
I just went to Wal-Mart a few days ago and I&#39;ve seen both Volume 3: The Subliminal Verses and American Idiot being carried. Maybe the mangager refuses to stock it.
Canada vs US. There&#39;s a much worse case of censorship in the states than here. [/b][/quote]
That is true. Canada has alot more uncensored things on TV than the US does. But my main point is the way that some artist have to change their songs around just to have them played on the radio. Especailly that Black Eyed Peas song, that was just stupid.

[Link04]

Ironically, CANOE (Canadian News site I go to) was banned from my school computer library.....

[blurredxnotes]

I&#39;m pretty sure MTV wont show the video for Y&#39;all Want a Single. You can&#39;t click it on their website (although every other video you can) and I&#39;ve never seen it on MTV, even late at night.

I think its cause they flash across "One big corporation owns the 5 major music channels in the US" or something like that. Which I&#39;m pretty sure is MTV. Cause I know they own VH1.

I&#39;m doing a report on censorship in music, actually, for a social issues unit thing.

[Will]

Originally posted by SpiffyHybrid@Oct 18 2004, 06:26 PM
I think its cause they flash across "One big corporation owns the 5 major music channels in the US" or something like that. Which I&#39;m pretty sure is MTV. Cause I know they own VH1.
Viacomm owns them.

[blurredxnotes]

Originally posted by Will+Oct 18 2004, 06:33 PM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (Will @ Oct 18 2004, 06:33 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> <!--QuoteBegin--SpiffyHybrid@Oct 18 2004, 06:26 PM
I think its cause they flash across "One big corporation owns the 5 major music channels in the US" or something like that. Which I&#39;m pretty sure is MTV. Cause I know they own VH1.
Viacomm owns them. [/b][/quote]
Eh.

Well on one of the addresses on the VH1 website for Totally Obsessed, its to MTV Networks.

[Will]

Originally posted by SpiffyHybrid+Oct 18 2004, 06:36 PM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (SpiffyHybrid @ Oct 18 2004, 06:36 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'>
Originally posted by -Will@Oct 18 2004, 06:33 PM
<!--QuoteBegin--SpiffyHybrid@Oct 18 2004, 06:26 PM
I think its cause they flash across "One big corporation owns the 5 major music channels in the US" or something like that. Which I&#39;m pretty sure is MTV. Cause I know they own VH1.
Viacomm owns them.
Eh.

Well on one of the addresses on the VH1 website for Totally Obsessed, its to MTV Networks. [/b][/quote]
Yeah, because Viacom owns MTV, VH1, BET, and CMT.

[F-ck Casey]

Hell, I didn&#39;t even know there was 5 major music channels.

MTV, VH1, FUSE...

You can&#39;t really count MTV2, because if you do, then you&#39;d have to count the 3 other VH1&#39;s there are aswell.

Anyways, Viacom...yeah. They own Clear Channel, don&#39;t they?


EDIT: fucking Will and his posting before me cryptically answering my question&#33;

[blurredxnotes]

Originally posted by Will+Oct 18 2004, 06:36 PM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (Will @ Oct 18 2004, 06:36 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'>
Originally posted by -SpiffyHybrid@Oct 18 2004, 06:36 PM

Originally posted by -Will@Oct 18 2004, 06:33 PM
<!--QuoteBegin--SpiffyHybrid@Oct 18 2004, 06:26 PM
I think its cause they flash across "One big corporation owns the 5 major music channels in the US" or something like that. Which I&#39;m pretty sure is MTV. Cause I know they own VH1.
Viacomm owns them.
Eh.

Well on one of the addresses on the VH1 website for Totally Obsessed, its to MTV Networks.
Yeah, because Viacom owns MTV, VH1, BET, and CMT. [/b][/quote]
Oo o_o;

*feels stupid*

x_x

EDIT: So technically that corporation might be Viacom. *coughs*

[Jamie]

Censorship is a load of fluff in my opinion...Everyone&#39;s heard all the words that are being censored..so its pretty impossible to not hear a few of them everday...its just stupid..my nieces and nephew know just about as many swear words as I do... and the youngest is like 5... they hear them in school...no matter where you go people will be swearing...there&#39;s no escape from it.

[blurredxnotes]

Originally posted by Jamie@Oct 18 2004, 06:48 PM
Censorship is a load of fluff in my opinion...Everyone&#39;s heard all the words that are being censored..so its pretty impossible to not hear a few of them everday...its just stupid..my nieces and nephew know just about as many swear words as I do... and the youngest is like 5... they hear them in school...no matter where you go people will be swearing...there&#39;s no escape from it.
Yes.

The only reason I curse now is cause I always heard everyone curse in 3rd grade. So I&#39;ve been cursing since then.

[Jamie]

Originally posted by SpiffyHybrid+Oct 18 2004, 10:53 PM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (SpiffyHybrid @ Oct 18 2004, 10:53 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> <!--QuoteBegin--Jamie@Oct 18 2004, 06:48 PM
Censorship is a load of fluff in my opinion...Everyone&#39;s heard all the words that are being censored..so its pretty impossible to not hear a few of them everday...its just stupid..my nieces and nephew know just about as many swear words as I do... and the youngest is like 5... they hear them in school...no matter where you go people will be swearing...there&#39;s no escape from it.
Yes.

The only reason I curse now is cause I always heard everyone curse in 3rd grade. So I&#39;ve been cursing since then. [/b][/quote]
Exactly..I think censorship should be censored itself...its utterly pointless....

[Garfield]

they censor a lot of things that kids are gonna find out about, but kids who are overprotected from that stuff are naive and are gonna get ***** up by someone. If parents talk with the kids and tell them that something is wrong and how it can harm you, they won&#39;t do it, but if the parents ignore all that stuff and when the kid sais: hey, what&#39;s a ****ing blunt? can I try it? and the parent punishes the kid for something he doesn&#39;t understand, he is gonna try weed or something &#39;cause they&#39;ll feal grown up. Parents should talk with their kids, &#39;cause kids are not dumb&#33;

[Whimsicality]

Originally posted by Garfield@Oct 19 2004, 07:16 PM
they censor a lot of things that kids are gonna find out about, but kids who are overprotected from that stuff are naive and are gonna get ***** up by someone. If parents talk with the kids and tell them that something is wrong and how it can harm you, they won&#39;t do it, but if the parents ignore all that stuff and when the kid sais: hey, what&#39;s a ****ing blunt? can I try it? and the parent punishes the kid for something he doesn&#39;t understand, he is gonna try weed or something &#39;cause they&#39;ll feal grown up. Parents should talk with their kids, &#39;cause kids are not dumb&#33;
I agree with that. What bothers me the most is when parents try and censor all sex from there kids. I don&#39;t mean when they&#39;re young, but when a kid starts to hit puberty, I think they need to at least have a vague idea of what&#39;s going on. You don&#39;t want them to hear explicit sex lyrics, fine, but don&#39;t try and pretend it doesn&#39;t exist when they&#39;re learning to deal with raging hormones and their peers suddenly getting flirty.

Plus, kids hear "bad words" anyway. Me and my parents (with my brother occassionally coming into the room) were watching a movie awhile ago, and someone in the movie said something about "Kicking someone&#39;s ass" and my six year old brother thought that statement was just hilarious.So he said it a few times. Instead of freaking out and making it a big deal (kids of all ages--yes, us too--love &#39;forbidden&#39; words) my parents completely ignored him, and he forgot about it and hasn&#39;t said "ass" since.

[Madi]

Originally posted by Personal Jesus@Oct 15 2004, 12:12 AM
Lets not forget The Take It Away video. Mtv blocks out the part were Bret Pulls The Alarm.
Yeah censorship in video clips really pisses me off. I&#39;m tired of shows cutting some of my fave clips, its really annoying.

[SoniX]

I agree, the people who are censoring material are getting a little out of hand, like I was listening to Eminem a few days ago on the radio (satellite radio if that makes a difference) and they had taken out the word "trunk" but left b**** in there...

I think all censorship should be taken out. The thing is, swearing and nudity are kept away so much that people want and crave for it more when its censored and will re-enact the same language to seem cool or some dumb thing like that. If its just some average everyday thing its not such a big deal, little kids are going to grow up and learn these things anyway so why bother that much? Its not the TV&#39;s fault when children do what they do and shoot up schools entirely, its also how they are raised and if they come from a "broken home". If the parent plays an active role in the development of the child then they wont look to TV as much of a guide.

Sorry if any of this has been said already :whistle:

[Unforgiver]

I don&#39;t think curse words should be censored, they are just like words with meanings like everyone. Naked people on T.V. shouldn&#39;t be censored either. For example, if the show is rated MA, then it is for matures, the TV Network should trust that only matures watch that, cause it would be pointless if you censore nudity in a MA rated show. Unless the show is a cartoon where accidentally the character drops his clothes or something like that and it is rated for younger than 10 years old children. It is just dumb.