View Full Version : Hitler & The 2004 Presidental Campaign
F-ck Casey
06-27-2004, 07:46 PM
WASHINGTON (June 27) - Adolf Hitler's image has surfaced again in the White House race. President Bush's campaign contains online video, removed from a liberal group's Web site months ago and disavowed, that features the Nazi dictator.
The Bush Internet video, which was sent electronically to 6 million supporters, intersperses clips of speeches by Democrats John Kerry, Al Gore and Howard Dean with the footage of Hitler.
Democrats want the video pulled from the site. Campaign aides said it would remain.
Republicans had criticized the group MoveOn.org in January because it briefly posted an ad contest entry that linked Hitler and Bush. It showed images of Bush with text saying, "God told me to strike at al-Qaida," before turning to images of Hitler with the words, "And then He instructed me to strike at Saddam." The submission ended with the words, "Sound familiar?" on a black and white screen.
The group later said the entry was in "poor taste" and pulled it from its site.
The 77-second video on the Bush-Cheney re-election site splices footage of Kerry, the presumptive nominee, and his 2004 rival Dean along with 2000 nominee Gore and film director Michael Moore. The spot calls them Kerry's "Coalition of the Wild-eyed." Clips of Hitler's image are seen throughout the spot.
"The use of Adolf Hitler by any campaign, politician or party is simply wrong," said Kerry's campaign manager, Mary Beth Cahill, who called on the GOP campaign to remove the Web video from its site.
"We're using the video from MoveOn.org to show our supporters the type of vitriolic rhetoric being used by the president's opponents and John Kerry's surrogates," said Scott Stanzel, a spokesman for the Bush-Cheney re-election campaign.
The online spot begins with clips of Gore assailing the Bush administration. "How dare they drag the good name of the United States of America through the mud of Saddam Hussein's torture prison," Gore shouts during a public speech.
It then cuts to an image of Hitler, followed Dean, Moore and Rep. Ricard Gephardt, D-Mo., all bashing Bush. There are more clips of Hitler, Gore and then Kerry, before the screen cuts to the words, "This is not a time for pessimism and rage." Video images of Bush follow.
A disclaimer was added to the beginning of the Web spot on Saturday afternoon to explain that the video contains "remarks made by and images from ads sponsored by Kerry supporters." The disclaimer also accuses Kerry of failing to denounce those who have compared Hitler to Bush.
CREDIT: AOL News
enfestid
06-28-2004, 12:01 AM
This whole Hitler thing in the campaign has gone way too fair (for both sides).
Shows how desperate the Bush government are to swing the voters minds. Hell, you know they'll probably swing the vote so they win again.
Glenn
06-28-2004, 12:25 AM
That is rediculous. :angry:
Just shows how much more antibush I am.
coley8605
06-28-2004, 12:27 AM
I can't wait until the election is OVER and we can stop hearing about all of this. Man, I'm so sick of politics in this country.
Originally posted by Mark@Jun 27 2004, 07:20 PM
Shows how desperate the Bush government are to swing the voters minds. Hell, you know they'll probably swing the vote so they win again.
Would you want to be compared to Hitler?
As much as I hate Bush, he's doing a good thing here. Comparing him to Hitler is ridiculous. Anyone who doesn't see that is blind.
Originally posted by Will+Jun 27 2004, 07:28 PM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (Will @ Jun 27 2004, 07:28 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> <!--QuoteBegin--Mark@Jun 27 2004, 07:20 PM
Shows how desperate the Bush government are to swing the voters minds. Hell, you know they'll probably swing the vote so they win again.
Would you want to be compared to Hitler?
As much as I hate Bush, he's doing a good thing here. Comparing him to Hitler is ridiculous. Anyone who doesn't see that is blind. [/b][/quote]
I think you missed the point.
Back in January, MoveOn compared Hitler to Bush which pissed Bush off and MoveOn removed the ads.
Now, the Bush campaign is comparing Kerry to Hitler and now refuses to remove the ads.
Originally posted by Will+Jun 27 2004, 09:58 PM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (Will @ Jun 27 2004, 09:58 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> <!--QuoteBegin--Mark@Jun 27 2004, 07:20 PM
Shows how desperate the Bush government are to swing the voters minds. Hell, you know they'll probably swing the vote so they win again.
Would you want to be compared to Hitler?
As much as I hate Bush, he's doing a good thing here. Comparing him to Hitler is ridiculous. Anyone who doesn't see that is blind. [/b][/quote]
You misread. :wth:
The Bush campaign likened Kerry to Hitler, not the other way around. Kerry didn't do that to Bush.
As Todd said, MoveOn.org, an anti-Bush website, held a contest where people could submit 30 second commercials about Bush. One of them likened Bush to Hitler. There is no link between Kerry and him saying Bush is like Kerry.
So Bush is doing a good thing here by likening Kerry to Hitler, eh? :lol:
ass_kicker
06-28-2004, 07:59 AM
WTF? :angry: the only thing that an image of hitler does to me is make me angry.
Originally posted by Todd+Jun 27 2004, 09:10 PM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (Todd @ Jun 27 2004, 09:10 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'>
Originally posted by -Will@Jun 27 2004, 07:28 PM
<!--QuoteBegin--Mark@Jun 27 2004, 07:20 PM
Shows how desperate the Bush government are to swing the voters minds. Hell, you know they'll probably swing the vote so they win again.
Would you want to be compared to Hitler?
As much as I hate Bush, he's doing a good thing here. Comparing him to Hitler is ridiculous. Anyone who doesn't see that is blind.
I think you missed the point.
Back in January, MoveOn compared Hitler to Bush which pissed Bush off and MoveOn removed the ads.
Now, the Bush campaign is comparing Kerry to Hitler and now refuses to remove the ads. [/b][/quote]
Ah. I see. Okay.
This is why I stay out of politics. I can never follow anything, even when there's an article right in front of me to read.
enfestid
06-28-2004, 03:58 PM
Originally posted by Mark@Jun 28 2004, 12:20 AM
Shows how desperate the Bush government are to swing the voters minds. Hell, you know they'll probably swing the vote so they win again.
The democrats did it, too. Why is it that no one here can ever put their biases aside and admit when both sides did something wrong? :mellow:
MoveOn only removed the ads after a crapload of protest. I expect Bush to do the same thing, as stupid as it was to have the ads in the first place.
Originally posted by enfestid+Jun 28 2004, 10:58 AM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (enfestid @ Jun 28 2004, 10:58 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> <!--QuoteBegin--Mark@Jun 28 2004, 12:20 AM
Shows how desperate the Bush government are to swing the voters minds. Hell, you know they'll probably swing the vote so they win again.
The democrats did it, too. Why is it that no one here can ever put their biases aside and admit when both sides did something wrong? :mellow:
MoveOn only removed the ads after a crapload of protest. I expect Bush to do the same thing, as stupid as it was to have the ads in the first place. [/b][/quote]
The difference is, the democrats removed the ads because the Bush campaign didn't like them. Now, the Bush campaign is using the same concept with Hitler and wont remove them. Talk about hypocracy
Originally posted by enfestid+Jun 28 2004, 01:28 PM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (enfestid @ Jun 28 2004, 01:28 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> <!--QuoteBegin--Mark@Jun 28 2004, 12:20 AM
Shows how desperate the Bush government are to swing the voters minds. Hell, you know they'll probably swing the vote so they win again.
The democrats did it, too. Why is it that no one here can ever put their biases aside and admit when both sides did something wrong? :mellow:
MoveOn only removed the ads after a crapload of protest. I expect Bush to do the same thing, as stupid as it was to have the ads in the first place. [/b][/quote]
I was unaware that the Kerry administartion did that. I did know that MoveOn.org did it, but they have no link with the Kerry campaign other as voters.
enfestid
06-28-2004, 06:18 PM
The democrats endorsed it, obviously.
Todd: the democrats first said that they wouldn't remove it. And now the republicans are saying that they won't remove it as a first statement.
And, for the record: neither Bush nor Kerry decide what ads are run and what ads aren't, but I'm sure they could if they wanted... but that's beside the point. The point is neither of them decide the ads, so blaming it on either of them is utterly asinine.
Originally posted by enfestid@Jun 28 2004, 01:18 PM
The democrats endorsed it, obviously.
Todd: the democrats first said that they wouldn't remove it. And now the republicans are saying that they won't remove it as a first statement.
And, for the record: neither Bush nor Kerry decide what ads are run and what ads aren't, but I'm sure they could if they wanted... but that's beside the point. The point is neither of them decide the ads, so blaming it on either of them is utterly asinine.
But, the democrats DID remove it, the republicans aren't.
Originally posted by enfestid@Jun 28 2004, 03:48 PM
The democrats endorsed it, obviously.
Todd: the democrats first said that they wouldn't remove it. And now the republicans are saying that they won't remove it as a first statement.
And, for the record: neither Bush nor Kerry decide what ads are run and what ads aren't, but I'm sure they could if they wanted... but that's beside the point. The point is neither of them decide the ads, so blaming it on either of them is utterly asinine.
I'd like to see a source where Kerry actually condones a Bush-Hitler link.
And please, no links from Fox News. We all know Bush's first cousin John Ellis was a program director there, and that Fox News is a vital part of the Bush-Cheney campaign. Most biased news source ever.
Originally posted by Mark+Jun 28 2004, 02:43 PM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (Mark @ Jun 28 2004, 02:43 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> <!--QuoteBegin--enfestid@Jun 28 2004, 03:48 PM
The democrats endorsed it, obviously.
Todd: the democrats first said that they wouldn't remove it. And now the republicans are saying that they won't remove it as a first statement.
And, for the record: neither Bush nor Kerry decide what ads are run and what ads aren't, but I'm sure they could if they wanted... but that's beside the point. The point is neither of them decide the ads, so blaming it on either of them is utterly asinine.
I'd like to see a source where Kerry actually condones a Bush-Hitler link.
And please, no links from Fox News. We all know Bush's first cousin John Ellis was a program director there, and that Fox News is a vital part of the Bush-Cheney campaign. Most biased news source ever. [/b][/quote]
I don't know what FOX News you're watching, but the one I watch often condones Bush for the job he's doing.
Shade
06-28-2004, 08:28 PM
This ad sickens me, not entirely because of the Hitler incorporation. Really, there is no connection between the people shown in the ad (other than Bush, arguably), nor does the ad make any. It makes no comparisons what so ever. The people going around saying that this ad does make comparisons are misreading it in my mind. This ad is bashing the fact that the Dems. used such a comparison in their campaign. They then close the ad with "this is not a time for pessimism and rage, but for optimism, steady leadership, and progression." I'm about to hurl. That's right folks, nevermind all the f'd up #### bush has done, vote for him, and you'll get steady leadership, ie. assurance he'll keep on f'in up more stuff.
Originally posted by Will+Jun 28 2004, 05:31 PM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (Will @ Jun 28 2004, 05:31 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'>
Originally posted by -Mark@Jun 28 2004, 02:43 PM
<!--QuoteBegin--enfestid@Jun 28 2004, 03:48 PM
The democrats endorsed it, obviously.
Todd: the democrats first said that they wouldn't remove it. And now the republicans are saying that they won't remove it as a first statement.
And, for the record: neither Bush nor Kerry decide what ads are run and what ads aren't, but I'm sure they could if they wanted... but that's beside the point. The point is neither of them decide the ads, so blaming it on either of them is utterly asinine.
I'd like to see a source where Kerry actually condones a Bush-Hitler link.
And please, no links from Fox News. We all know Bush's first cousin John Ellis was a program director there, and that Fox News is a vital part of the Bush-Cheney campaign. Most biased news source ever.
I don't know what FOX News you're watching, but the one I watch often condones Bush for the job he's doing. [/b][/quote]
The one I watch, which often features Bill O'Reilly, is most of the time a one-sided republican agenda promoting, democrat bashing, segment.
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