RATM and COAL CHAMBER

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One of my friends said she will give me a Rage Against The Machine and Coal Chamber album for free. And I've never heard either one of them. I've heard OF them but never any music. So I was wondering if you could tell me what they sound like, genre, rating...anything that will kinda help me decide if I even want them.

[Sylar]

RATM: AWESOME BAND! Definately worth the listen. They're like the Beastie Boys with guitars and stuff. I recommend: Guerilla Radio, Renegades of Funk

Coal Chamber: I know they're a crazy death metal band(i believe) but i dont know any music by them

[TeMpEsT]

Originally posted by Viciouswanton666@May 26 2004, 08:51 PM
RATM: AWESOME BAND! Definately worth the listen. They're like the Beastie Boys with guitars and stuff. I recommend: Guerilla Radio, Renegades of Funk

Coal Chamber: I know they're a crazy death metal band(i believe) but i dont know any music by them
Not death metal, Coal Chamber is more nu-metal.

Rage Against the Machine is probably the best band of the 90's in my opinion, it amazes me that you've never heard of them. I'm not really into Coal Chamber, but some people like them a lot.

[Odaton]

Rage Against The Machine: RULES! They, not Linkin Park or Limp Bizkit or Korn, etc. are the best Rap-metal. They combine great songwriting with catchy hip-hop elements, great political/social commentary, and Zach de La Rocha's distinctive vocals and great raps

As for Coal Chamber, I'm really not into them.

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So far everyone likes RATM and no body really likes Coal Chamber...so I guess RATM is worth it.

[Willstar]

I don't like Rage Against The Machine (the vocals are terrible and I generally hate political bands anyway), but Coal Chamber are amazing.

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Originally posted by Will@May 26 2004, 04:04 PM
I don't like Rage Against The Machine (the vocals are terrible and I generally hate political bands anyway), but Coal Chamber are amazing.
:lol:

Forget my last post. :lol:

[Doctor Manhattan]

chances are if you like OTEP, you'll like Coal Chamber. I, personally, hate Coal Chamber. Lyrics are just so generic. Go for Daz's other band, DevilDriver.

As for Rage, they're okay sometimes. The Battle Of Los Angeles is a good CD, but their best song(s) by far are from their self-titled CD.

Don't bother with the RageGarden knock off Audioslave though. Please. For me?

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Originally posted by Casey@May 26 2004, 04:10 PM
chances are if you like OTEP, you'll like Coal Chamber. I, personally, hate Coal Chamber. Lyrics are just so generic. Go for Daz's other band, DevilDriver.

As for Rage, they're okay sometimes. The Battle Of Los Angeles is a good CD, but their best song(s) by far are from their self-titled CD.

Don't bother with the RageGarden knock off Audioslave though. Please. For me?
If I could go for any CD it would be L.D. 50 (Mudvayne). But like I said, my friend are giving them to me for free.

To the lyrics thing: Yeah, most bands are going to be generic because there is no longer a such thing as "originality." And although I hate it when lyrics are like Adema (I like them, but c`mon, the lyrics almost always bite.)...well then I gotta step back. If the lyrics are extremely generic I won't get it...just for you. :lol: I may look this band 'DevilDriver' up though.

Oh and yes, I love otep...but the lyrics. Agh. What pisses me off the most is whats in the booklet. "eye'm" bothers me the most. The lyrics may have meaning, usually sick and twisted..and perverted..meanings...but they aren't very deep. I'm not asking every lyricist to be a philosopher, but let's try and keep lyrics from the female version of jonathan davis also...

[Doctor Manhattan]

There are reasons for Otep Shamaya's spellings of certain words and her uses of certain words and/or phrases. I think OTEP's music is highly originally, and proof of that is her upcoming appearance on Def Poetry Jam on HBO. What other female metal artist can go on a show like that, and be successful? Not many.

From the 'Otep F.A.Q.' at otep.com/forum

Q: Otep uses some odd/misspelled words, why does she use them? What do they mean?
A: Good questions, first off the “supposedly” mispelt ones aren’t misspelled at all. They have purpose and meaning, they take this form by no slip of the hand. The odd ones, whose meaning may simply escape some… those too are used for a reason. There is a comprehensive otep vocabulary FAQ (http://www.burninthepit.com/Pages/otep2.html), located at Burn in the Pit (http://www.burninthepit.com), that will explain everything in detail.

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I'll check that link.

And I didn't mean Otep isn't original. What other woman can do the whole growling deep voice thing, period. She is talented, the rest of the band...from what I've seen anyways...not so much. That doesn't change the fact that I don't like the sound, but the technicality of the music isn't difficult. Other from the overly used bass-following-guitar, guitar-playing-power chords, they are quite original. And you are right, not many women can sing about getting raped, screaming to where you can sometimes not understand what she is saying, and write very violent/graphic lyrics. It's not that I don't like her lyrics, it's just that a person in the same position could write them. Lyrics have to be exceptional to stand out to be, not just "oh that's pretty damn good." To me, there is a difference. Nevertheless, whining about her life and talking about our stupid ass government is quite cliche and generic, and quite unoriginal. So really, I guess this may be confusing. Her lyrics are original because they are from her point of view, but unoriginal because so many people use these themes.

Oh, and is that her real name? The friend that introduced me to them says thats not her real name, but she doesn't remember what it is. That's what the booklet says though, I'm confused about that.

[Doctor Manhattan]

EDIT: Her real name is indeed Otep Shamaya. It's all on the site I gave you, I believe.

somehow I don't think Jonathan Davis was raped by his dad.

I don't know, maybe one of these days I'll start a topic on cliche lyrics or something. All I know is OTEP's poems are very ####### unique lol.

Example:

graciously falling to pieces again and again
my bruises are neglecting me, the animals are provoked
the loneliness of 4 am, the silence of self-inflicted violence
the tv bleeds its suicide anthem
the fan whispers its defiance of the warm graveyard night
this bed is wet with dreams, and soaked in mortal fluid
sleep is for amateurs

burnt offering, pagodas and mystery cults endangered
saviors disappearing in the remote countryside threating the Great Society
like a ghost messiah, whispering lies in the night, blankets and filth
the smell of fire, silver flowers, burning sleep from the sky, softly, coming closer

eye am hypnotized by this new eye of violence
in awe of its strength and simplicity, eye can sit for an entire day watching nothing else
playing the observer
and eye will feel no horror
eye will not think of regret

in the privacy of their rooms, in the bedlam of their heads
they need to escape
they need to connect their madness with some new friend
a stranger who knows nothing, but understands everything

Look at the Sevas Tra booklet. It's all in there.

aaanyways, I'm off topic.

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Originally posted by Casey@May 26 2004, 04:41 PM
EDIT: Her real name is indeed Otep Shamaya. It's all on the site I gave you, I believe.

somehow I don't think Jonathan Davis was raped by his dad.

I don't know, maybe one of these days I'll start a topic on cliche lyrics or something. All I know is OTEP's poems are very ####### unique lol.

Example:

graciously falling to pieces again and again
my bruises are neglecting me, the animals are provoked
the loneliness of 4 am, the silence of self-inflicted violence
the tv bleeds its suicide anthem
the fan whispers its defiance of the warm graveyard night
this bed is wet with dreams, and soaked in mortal fluid
sleep is for amateurs

burnt offering, pagodas and mystery cults endangered
saviors disappearing in the remote countryside threating the Great Society
like a ghost messiah, whispering lies in the night, blankets and filth
the smell of fire, silver flowers, burning sleep from the sky, softly, coming closer

eye am hypnotized by this new eye of violence
in awe of its strength and simplicity, eye can sit for an entire day watching nothing else
playing the observer
and eye will feel no horror
eye will not think of regret

in the privacy of their rooms, in the bedlam of their heads
they need to escape
they need to connect their madness with some new friend
a stranger who knows nothing, but understands everything

Look at the Sevas Tra booklet. It's all in there.

aaanyways, I'm off topic.
hmm...
wow. That is very good. What song is that from? I have heard all of the songs, but sadly I don't own the album, but my best friend Jessie does. (Shes the one that told me about this band) and I was over at her house listening to them. I only read a couple of the songs. The one that sticks out is the last song. I forget what its called, something town tea. And it was about her getting raped...


:lol: I don't think Jonathan Davis's dad raped him either. Atleast I hope not. What I meant was his whole negativity, pessimistic lyrics. And I compare (i dunno why, i just do) his "i wanna die because my life sucks even though im a millionaire" lyrics to her "i was raped when i was 12, and the pain is still with me". Yeah, I'm sorry she was raped, but a lot of people are raped. Their are also a lot of songs about rape/sexual abuse/etc.

Now I'm kinda forgetting what I was talking about.
I hate it when that happens.

[Doctor Manhattan]

Otep isn't a millionaire :lol:

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Originally posted by Casey@May 26 2004, 05:00 PM
Otep isn't a millionaire :lol:
Agh! Casey! Agh! *Shakes fist*

I don't even know what my point was with the whole lyrics thing. Maybe I just thought they we're generic but you completely changed my thoughts on that, and I was trying to defend my non-existent ...ergh thoughts...that I no longer have...? Yeah well anyways, yeah.

Well...those lyrics we're good. And she is a talented writer. But the fact of the rest of the band being not-so-good at their instruments was...uh..a fact.

Yeah, ok, you win. :mellow:

[Doctor Manhattan]

listen to the Jihad EP and then tell me the rest of OTEP isn't talented.

they've changed lineups on every album since.

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Originally posted by Casey@May 26 2004, 05:10 PM
listen to the Jihad EP and then tell me the rest of OTEP isn't talented.

they've changed lineups on every album since.
I'm guessing the whole line-up beside Otep herself?

Well I can't listen to it, because I don't have it. I will look up tablature on it, and see how many riffs I couldn't pull myself. (I play guitar and bass...so I'm not saying the band itself is so untalented that a novice could play it, I'm saying that the guitarist isn't a Petrucci, and the bassist (evil-J? I believe..) isn't a ru-d. Actually...I don't think the guitarist is a delson nor the bassist a phoenix...)

But I will look it up, because Otep is a worthy-enough band...being one of my favorites...

[Doctor Manhattan]

Originally posted by A Risen Soul+May 26 2004, 05:14 PM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (A Risen Soul @ May 26 2004, 05:14 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> <!--QuoteBegin--Casey@May 26 2004, 05:10 PM
listen to the Jihad EP and then tell me the rest of OTEP isn't talented.

they've changed lineups on every album since.
I'm guessing the whole line-up beside Otep herself?

Well I can't listen to it, because I don't have it. I will look up tablature on it, and see how many riffs I couldn't pull myself. (I play guitar and bass...so I'm not saying the band itself is so untalented that a novice could play it, I'm saying that the guitarist isn't a Petrucci, and the bassist (evil-J? I believe..) isn't a ru-d. Actually...I don't think the guitarist is a delson nore the bassist a phoenix... [/b][/quote]
Evil J is good at what he does.

Yeah, the lineup for OTEP has changed, except for Evil J & Otep herself. One word of warning: the tracklisting for the Jihad EP is (I think) 7 tracks long, and contains songs that appeared on Sevas Tra. Only difference between the Jihad tracks & the Sevas Tra ones are that the ones on Jihad are completely different, harder & the lyrics are different.

This is of course due to OTEP being signed to Capitol & other members leaving and whatnot.

So yeah.

BACK ON TOPIC. :lol:

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Originally posted by Casey+May 26 2004, 05:16 PM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (Casey @ May 26 2004, 05:16 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> Originally posted by -A Risen Soul@May 26 2004, 05:14 PM
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listen to the Jihad EP and then tell me the rest of OTEP isn't talented.

they've changed lineups on every album since.
I'm guessing the whole line-up beside Otep herself?

Well I can't listen to it, because I don't have it. I will look up tablature on it, and see how many riffs I couldn't pull myself. (I play guitar and bass...so I'm not saying the band itself is so untalented that a novice could play it, I'm saying that the guitarist isn't a Petrucci, and the bassist (evil-J? I believe..) isn't a ru-d. Actually...I don't think the guitarist is a delson nore the bassist a phoenix...
Evil J is good at what he does.

Yeah, the lineup for OTEP has changed, except for Evil J & Otep herself. One word of warning: the tracklisting for the Jihad EP is (I think) 7 tracks long, and contains songs that appeared on Sevas Tra. Only difference between the Jihad tracks & the Sevas Tra ones are that the ones on Jihad are completely different, harder & the lyrics are different.

This is of course due to OTEP being signed to Capitol & other members leaving and whatnot.

So yeah.

BACK ON TOPIC. :lol: [/b][/quote]
You cut me off! Not back on topic yet! :lol:

Evil-J isn't a good bassist. He follows the guitar throughout most of the songs (I looked up blood pigs as soon as I heard the song.) and the guitar usually plays power chords. Hence the bassist usually plays the root notes hence single notes hence not hard at all aka he isn't a good bassist.

NOW! back on topic. :whistle:

[Doctor Manhattan]

somehow I think Evil J doesn't follow the bassist. One would think Evil J is the lead guitar player dude in OTEP.

I know nothing about guitars and ####.

[Neil]

If she's giving them to you for free, take them. If you don't like one, trade it to someone who will like it for a CD you like...

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Originally posted by Casey@May 26 2004, 05:21 PM
somehow I think Evil J doesn't follow the bassist. One would think Evil J is the lead guitar player dude in OTEP.

I know nothing about guitars and ####.
I could have sworn that when I looked at the lineup as of right now, evil-j was the bassist. But...I've been known to be wrong. I will look after this post.

Well all I have to say is isn't it a coincidence that Otep's name is an anagram for poet?

Q: What is Otep’s current line up?
A: The current line up is as follows:

· Otep - Vox
· Evil J - Bass
· Lee Rios - Guitar
· Doug - Drums


HAHA! One would think I am correct this time.

[Doctor Manhattan]

Originally posted by A Risen Soul+May 26 2004, 05:23 PM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (A Risen Soul @ May 26 2004, 05:23 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> <!--QuoteBegin--Casey@May 26 2004, 05:21 PM
somehow I think Evil J doesn't follow the bassist. One would think Evil J is the lead guitar player dude in OTEP.

I know nothing about guitars and ####.
I could have sworn that when I looked at the lineup as of right now, evil-j was the bassist. But...I've been known to be wrong. I will look after this post.

Well all I have to say is isn't it a coincidence that Otep's name is an anagram for poet? [/b][/quote]
What are you trying to say? She didn't choose the name if that's what you're thinking.

Q: What does OTEP mean?
A: Several things… Destroyer/Creator in the Alchemists Book "Mutus Liber" - key to the chemical wedding between the worlds of the seen & unseen. In addition it also is a Celtic Warrior from the Em Sea, a voice of psychotropic revelry. Also to quote the lady herself:

Quote:
“it is an ancient Khemetic word meaning "creative offerings" it’s also an anagram for the word: POET” -- Otep Shamaya

EDIT: I was wrong. My bad.

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Originally posted by Casey+May 26 2004, 05:25 PM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (Casey @ May 26 2004, 05:25 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> Originally posted by -A Risen Soul@May 26 2004, 05:23 PM
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somehow I think Evil J doesn't follow the bassist. One would think Evil J is the lead guitar player dude in OTEP.

I know nothing about guitars and ####.
I could have sworn that when I looked at the lineup as of right now, evil-j was the bassist. But...I've been known to be wrong. I will look after this post.

Well all I have to say is isn't it a coincidence that Otep's name is an anagram for poet?
What are you trying to say? She didn't choose the name if that's what you're thinking.

Q: What does OTEP mean?
A: Several things… Destroyer/Creator in the Alchemists Book "Mutus Liber" - key to the chemical wedding between the worlds of the seen & unseen. In addition it also is a Celtic Warrior from the Em Sea, a voice of psychotropic revelry. Also to quote the lady herself:

Quote:
“it is an ancient Khemetic word meaning "creative offerings" it’s also an anagram for the word: POET” -- Otep Shamaya [/b][/quote]
Yeah, I see that. I'm in FAQ on the site you gave me.

That's where I got the lineup of the band. You know, where I proved evil j IS the bassist...I'm right sometimes you know.

[Doctor Manhattan]

never said you were always wrong.

[TeMpEsT]

Originally posted by A Risen Soul@May 26 2004, 10:20 PM
I'm not asking every lyricist to be a philosopher, but let's try and keep lyrics from the female version of jonathan davis also...
I don't know why but that made me laugh for about 3 minutes straight.

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Originally posted by Casey@May 26 2004, 05:27 PM
never said you were always wrong.
I never said you ever said I was always wrong. :whistle:

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Well she ended up giving me "Coal Chamber" and "Suicidal Tendencies"...
I never heard of Suicidal Tendencies...but they are OK I guess. The album is "Art of Rebellion" I believe it was called...like I said, they are OK.

The Coal Chamber album I got is self-titled I guess. It has a ice cream truck on the cover with some freaky looking guy in it. I like it, they aren't bad. But mainly it's the riffs I like. The singer isn't very talented at what he does, and only one song do I hear him sing any, I forgot what it was called though. The rest he usually whispers or screams...though not well.

So out of all I guess Coal Chamber is a 6/10 and Suicidal Tendencies is a 5/10. I'm gonna try to trade Suicidal Tendencies for something like L.D. 50 or Otep's old album.